The Roman Emperors were literally hunting down and killing Christians. To say that RCC was working for the Roman government is as dumb as those people who say that the USA and USSR were working together during the Cold War to oppress third world nations.
LMAO. Who the fuck do you think gave legitimacy to the RCC? HINT: a Roman Emperor. Then they injected a bunch of pagan shit into Christianity, such as praying to Mary (HINT: If you actually read the bible, she's barely brought up.) Almost every 'Catholic' I know, including family members.. believe in Abortion and vote Democrat. "Most Roman Catholic beliefs and practices regarding Mary are completely absent from the Bible. Where did those beliefs come from? The Roman Catholic view of Mary has far more in common with the Isis mother-goddess religion of Egypt than it does with anything taught in the New Testament. Interestingly, the first hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship." ... "Roman Catholicism has “saints” one can pray to in order to gain a particular blessing. For example, Saint Gianna Beretta Molla is the patron saint of fertility. Francis of Assisi is the patron saint of animals. There are multiple patron saints of healing and comfort. Nowhere is even a hint of this taught in Scripture. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these and many other categories. Many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, and the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for cities as well." .. "The idea that the Roman bishop is the vicar of Christ, the supreme leader of the Christian Church, is utterly foreign to the Word of God. The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, again, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. After the western half of the Roman Empire collapsed, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus."
I am not arguing that the Popes didn't replace emperors or that the RCC didn't replace the entirety of Rome for that matter. It was largely the convents and monestaries that were negotiating with barbarians in the wake of Rome's fall. Constantine did make Christianity one of the religions of the Roman Empire but that was pretty late in the game and after 200 some years of persecution against Christians.
The early Christians prayed to saints. We know this because of stories like St. Perpetua, St. Agatha, St. Lucy, St. Peter and St.Andrew etc. In the catacombs of Rome where Christians held Mass during the Roman persecutions, it's laden with imaged of saints and their identifiable symbols.
Origen was a father of the Church but he wasn't a cult member of Isis. btw, the cult of Isis was long gone by the time monastic life and Christianity became widespread in Egypt. There's St. Anthanasius, St. Anthony the Great, St. Jerome and many many others. Far from Egypt being a bastion of paganism, Egypt was the flowering of the Church.
Mary is in Genesis 3:15 right up to Revelations with the woman clothed with the sun with the stars around her head and the earth at her feet. In fact, if you didn't hate the mother of God so much, you'd realize, Mary is in every single book in the Bible.
What are you even arguing then? I don't care that early Christians prayed to saints. How does that in any way mean they were correct? NO WHERE in Scripture does it say to pray to dead saints. NO WHERE in Scripture does it say that people in Heaven will pray for people on earth. THERE IS ONLY ONE MEDIATOR, and it's not your Catholic priest, Mary, or any of your saints.
Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus
You said "The Roman Emperors were literally hunting down and killing Christians. To say that RCC was working for the Roman government is as dumb as those people who say that the USA and USSR were working together during the Cold War to oppress third world nations." except the Roman Catholic Church was LITERALLY founded by a Roman Emperor who 'converted' for political reasons. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church PERSECUTED other Christians.
ACCORDING TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH:
The Catholic church is the one true church
CCC 2105 "The duty of offering God genuine worship concerns man both individually and socially. This is 'the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies toward the true religion and the one Church of Christ.' By constantly evangelizing men, the Church works toward enabling them 'to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live.' The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church. Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies."
The Catholic Church is Infallible
CCC 2035, "The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed."
Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture
CCC 100, "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him."
The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
CCC 2034, "The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are 'authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice.' The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for."
The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
CCC 846, "How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."
Based on the church's own laws, Pope Francis is right and cannot be wrong with his interpretations of Scripture. Pope Francis says that you do not have to believe in God or Jesus to go to Heaven. Pope Francis says you should not try to convert non-believers. He even says Trump is not a Christian. The CCP gives the Vatican church of $2 billion a year to pay off the Vatican for its silence. Absolutely disgusting. You've been misled by EVIL.
Why do you people even call your priests "Father"? That's absolutely disgusting alone and REEKS of blasphemy. Christians in the first century NEVER called their leaders "father". Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Matthew 6:7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
YET you probably got your Rosary beads and pray your 15 sets of 10 consecutive hail marys? Or sorry- I guess it's 20 sets now after Pope John Paul added them. IT'S ALL PAGAN EVIL THAT INFILTRATED.
DO some more RESEARCH. You are MISLED if you support this adulterated pagan garbage.
The Canon of the Bible wasn't set until 400 AD when St. Jerome finished the Vulgate.
It's the RCC that gave us the Bible.
Regarding saints, the very first creeds of the Church talked about the Communion of Saints, and that communion has always been 1) The Church Militant composed of the living on Earth. 2) The Church suffering in Purgatory and 3) The Church Triumphant in Heaven, that is, the saints of heaven. The Communion of Saints is a community first and foremost and all members of the community of saints can help each other but the Church Triumphant doesn't need help and the Church suffering has already had their judgement which means the people who needs help are the living - the Church Militant. That is why we pray to saints. The various situations they faced in life and/or the various causes the Catholic Church has deemed for them to be linked to, make them intercessors for our petitions.
It is natural for us to use intercessors in our normal daily life on Earth. We do it all the time. We may appeal to a family member to help out with problem or with a mutual friend in some sort of need. The communion of saints is basically the same thing but on the supernatural plain. If there's one thing we know about God's creation is that it is complex and God could do everything just by fiat and frankly, in one instant if God so wished, but he doesn't. He takes time and uses many mediated causes. One of those mediated causes can be Saints.
Also, there's nothing in the Bible that directly says the Trinity either. Moreover, there's nowhere in the Bible that it says the Bible is the ultimate authority and sole authority regarding Christianity. You'd think if the Christian Bible was to be like the Koran, that is, the absolute literal word of God and sole and only necessary authority, the Bible would say it like the Koran does. The Bible doesn't say that though. Far from it. When we read the NT letters, what we find is that there's a structure to the early Church with leaders and leaders on top of those leaders and ultimately, there is Peter. Peter makes the decision via a dream that the Jewish dietary laws can be abrogated even when all the other Apostles believe Christians have to follow Judaic dietary laws. (Paul wasn't Judas Iscariot's replacement. Mathias was.) The structure and the hierarchy of the RCC predated the canon of the Bible. In fact, we see the structure in ACTS when the Apostles meet to address the dietary laws.
You certainly know a lot about Catholicism or you have good copypasta.
Biblereasons isn't representing what the Catholic Church teaches. If you want it explained simply from the horse's mouth, go to a source like Catholic Answers at Catholic.com. Biblereasons is to Catholicism like CNN is to Trump.
The Roman Emperors were literally hunting down and killing Christians. To say that RCC was working for the Roman government is as dumb as those people who say that the USA and USSR were working together during the Cold War to oppress third world nations.
LMAO. Who the fuck do you think gave legitimacy to the RCC? HINT: a Roman Emperor. Then they injected a bunch of pagan shit into Christianity, such as praying to Mary (HINT: If you actually read the bible, she's barely brought up.) Almost every 'Catholic' I know, including family members.. believe in Abortion and vote Democrat. "Most Roman Catholic beliefs and practices regarding Mary are completely absent from the Bible. Where did those beliefs come from? The Roman Catholic view of Mary has far more in common with the Isis mother-goddess religion of Egypt than it does with anything taught in the New Testament. Interestingly, the first hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship." ... "Roman Catholicism has “saints” one can pray to in order to gain a particular blessing. For example, Saint Gianna Beretta Molla is the patron saint of fertility. Francis of Assisi is the patron saint of animals. There are multiple patron saints of healing and comfort. Nowhere is even a hint of this taught in Scripture. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these and many other categories. Many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, and the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for cities as well." .. "The idea that the Roman bishop is the vicar of Christ, the supreme leader of the Christian Church, is utterly foreign to the Word of God. The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, again, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. After the western half of the Roman Empire collapsed, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus."
I am not arguing that the Popes didn't replace emperors or that the RCC didn't replace the entirety of Rome for that matter. It was largely the convents and monestaries that were negotiating with barbarians in the wake of Rome's fall. Constantine did make Christianity one of the religions of the Roman Empire but that was pretty late in the game and after 200 some years of persecution against Christians.
The early Christians prayed to saints. We know this because of stories like St. Perpetua, St. Agatha, St. Lucy, St. Peter and St.Andrew etc. In the catacombs of Rome where Christians held Mass during the Roman persecutions, it's laden with imaged of saints and their identifiable symbols.
Origen was a father of the Church but he wasn't a cult member of Isis. btw, the cult of Isis was long gone by the time monastic life and Christianity became widespread in Egypt. There's St. Anthanasius, St. Anthony the Great, St. Jerome and many many others. Far from Egypt being a bastion of paganism, Egypt was the flowering of the Church.
Mary is in Genesis 3:15 right up to Revelations with the woman clothed with the sun with the stars around her head and the earth at her feet. In fact, if you didn't hate the mother of God so much, you'd realize, Mary is in every single book in the Bible.
What are you even arguing then? I don't care that early Christians prayed to saints. How does that in any way mean they were correct? NO WHERE in Scripture does it say to pray to dead saints. NO WHERE in Scripture does it say that people in Heaven will pray for people on earth. THERE IS ONLY ONE MEDIATOR, and it's not your Catholic priest, Mary, or any of your saints.
Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus
You said "The Roman Emperors were literally hunting down and killing Christians. To say that RCC was working for the Roman government is as dumb as those people who say that the USA and USSR were working together during the Cold War to oppress third world nations." except the Roman Catholic Church was LITERALLY founded by a Roman Emperor who 'converted' for political reasons. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church PERSECUTED other Christians.
ACCORDING TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH:
The Catholic church is the one true church CCC 2105 "The duty of offering God genuine worship concerns man both individually and socially. This is 'the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies toward the true religion and the one Church of Christ.' By constantly evangelizing men, the Church works toward enabling them 'to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live.' The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church. Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies."
The Catholic Church is Infallible CCC 2035, "The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed."
Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture CCC 100, "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him."
The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ CCC 2034, "The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are 'authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice.' The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for."
The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation CCC 846, "How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."
Based on the church's own laws, Pope Francis is right and cannot be wrong with his interpretations of Scripture. Pope Francis says that you do not have to believe in God or Jesus to go to Heaven. Pope Francis says you should not try to convert non-believers. He even says Trump is not a Christian. The CCP gives the Vatican church of $2 billion a year to pay off the Vatican for its silence. Absolutely disgusting. You've been misled by EVIL.
Why do you people even call your priests "Father"? That's absolutely disgusting alone and REEKS of blasphemy. Christians in the first century NEVER called their leaders "father". Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Matthew 6:7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
YET you probably got your Rosary beads and pray your 15 sets of 10 consecutive hail marys? Or sorry- I guess it's 20 sets now after Pope John Paul added them. IT'S ALL PAGAN EVIL THAT INFILTRATED.
DO some more RESEARCH. You are MISLED if you support this adulterated pagan garbage.
https://biblereasons.com/praying-to-saints/ https://carm.org/catholic/list-of-roman-catholic-false-teachings
The Canon of the Bible wasn't set until 400 AD when St. Jerome finished the Vulgate.
It's the RCC that gave us the Bible.
Regarding saints, the very first creeds of the Church talked about the Communion of Saints, and that communion has always been 1) The Church Militant composed of the living on Earth. 2) The Church suffering in Purgatory and 3) The Church Triumphant in Heaven, that is, the saints of heaven. The Communion of Saints is a community first and foremost and all members of the community of saints can help each other but the Church Triumphant doesn't need help and the Church suffering has already had their judgement which means the people who needs help are the living - the Church Militant. That is why we pray to saints. The various situations they faced in life and/or the various causes the Catholic Church has deemed for them to be linked to, make them intercessors for our petitions.
It is natural for us to use intercessors in our normal daily life on Earth. We do it all the time. We may appeal to a family member to help out with problem or with a mutual friend in some sort of need. The communion of saints is basically the same thing but on the supernatural plain. If there's one thing we know about God's creation is that it is complex and God could do everything just by fiat and frankly, in one instant if God so wished, but he doesn't. He takes time and uses many mediated causes. One of those mediated causes can be Saints.
Also, there's nothing in the Bible that directly says the Trinity either. Moreover, there's nowhere in the Bible that it says the Bible is the ultimate authority and sole authority regarding Christianity. You'd think if the Christian Bible was to be like the Koran, that is, the absolute literal word of God and sole and only necessary authority, the Bible would say it like the Koran does. The Bible doesn't say that though. Far from it. When we read the NT letters, what we find is that there's a structure to the early Church with leaders and leaders on top of those leaders and ultimately, there is Peter. Peter makes the decision via a dream that the Jewish dietary laws can be abrogated even when all the other Apostles believe Christians have to follow Judaic dietary laws. (Paul wasn't Judas Iscariot's replacement. Mathias was.) The structure and the hierarchy of the RCC predated the canon of the Bible. In fact, we see the structure in ACTS when the Apostles meet to address the dietary laws.
You certainly know a lot about Catholicism or you have good copypasta.
Biblereasons isn't representing what the Catholic Church teaches. If you want it explained simply from the horse's mouth, go to a source like Catholic Answers at Catholic.com. Biblereasons is to Catholicism like CNN is to Trump.