If they rule that no electors can be issued from GA, WI, MI and PA, that puts both candidates below 270 and the vote will go to the State House delegation in which case Trump will win 26-23.
Other than that scenario, there really is no guarantee who the electors will be chosen for if SCOTUS rules for state legislators to choose. We would only have to hope it would go for Trump due to Republican majority in each state.
What do you think we have been doing? Lol. No state legislators have been willing to stand up no matter how many calls or emails we've been sending or how many times Rudy and Co have had to educate them on the law and processes they can and should be taking.
At the end of the day, as much as they have an obligation to act on behalf of the people, the decision is theirs to make.
If those states electors are thrown out then would 270 still be the number? You'd subtract those electors from the total available (reduce the denominator) and the majority would be less and I'm guessing Trump could win that way too.
If you were to do what you propose, and make the threshold 50% of the new Electoral College votes (subtracting those 4 states EV), it would be 238 in which Biden would have majority at 244 vs Trump's 232
Watching these hearings I have found that many of these elected officials have no idea the responsibility and duty they have. Some are down right ignorant or not the sharpest tool in the shed, imo. Others are terrific.
They also have the option to do absolutely nothing and kick the can to the US House. Since politicians love to kick the can down the road, I am figuring that will happen and you will see a huge campaign against the single rep states like Alaska, SD, ND, MT and Wyoming where Liz Cheney is the only rep. With the hell we have been through, this won't be over easily...it figures to make it as stressful as possible, right?
well, you now added violence and intimidation, which wasn’t part of the original question.
If the legislatures vote for Biden then it would be legal under the constitution. If the legislators are not protected and subject to physical intimidation so their votes are coerced then the republic is already lost. The legislators will be subject to electoral intimidation— i.e., people will call them and threaten to vote them out if they don’t vote the “right way.” That’s democracy, though.
I guarantee you the Supreme Court will not award the electors to Trump, so give up on that dream. The best you can hope for is they toss it back to the legislatures or the Congress.
My 5 cents worth. If the Supreme's side with Texas, then every State where the same violations occurred, would also have their elections invalidated. Not just Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia.
While i’m not completely certain what the detailed order from the SCOTUS would be if the state legislatures have to pick different electors, I highly doubt the Republicans would vote for Biden. I know that there are a bunch of spineless cucks who won’t stand for Trump, but if the SCOTUS rules in favor of Texas, it would be absolute career suicide if the Republicans didn’t vote with party lines.
Agreed. This is a majority vote in state delegations to the house of reps in congress (to allocate 1 vote per state); so it will be higher level pols who at least have taxpayer funded bodyguards and ivory towers in DC to hide from the BLM mob (and us).
Ultimately, I think that will end up being a good thing, because they will be more worried about political consequences (like the indefinite wrath of Trump voters, aka their base) than immediate physical consequences such as BLM threatening their kids schools/blowing up their houses, etc.
I know most of the state legislatures so far have been full of spineless turds, but they are mostly regular people who have regular jobs and no gumbint funded private security. I’m not excusing their cowardly actions, but I understand how they got there.
SCOTUS won't award the states to Trump. They may vacate the electors and kick it back to the state legislatures. Depending on timing, they may push it directly to the US House for those states. Or they may do nothing. Or something else entirely.
They would pick him if the SCOTUS let's them. Political suicide for a conservative voting for a Democrat. They would be finished in politics. No Democrat or Republican would vote them in again.
Yeah, that's a concern. If they vote against Trump, though, it would be a political suicide mission. I'm not sure there are any pols willing to take that step, so I suspect they will vote for Trump.
If they rule that no electors can be issued from GA, WI, MI and PA, that puts both candidates below 270 and the vote will go to the State House delegation in which case Trump will win 26-23.
Other than that scenario, there really is no guarantee who the electors will be chosen for if SCOTUS rules for state legislators to choose. We would only have to hope it would go for Trump due to Republican majority in each state.
Hope is not a plan. We need to pressure those legislatures to act.
What do you think we have been doing? Lol. No state legislators have been willing to stand up no matter how many calls or emails we've been sending or how many times Rudy and Co have had to educate them on the law and processes they can and should be taking.
At the end of the day, as much as they have an obligation to act on behalf of the people, the decision is theirs to make.
Actually it’s the new Congress so it’s 27-21 with two ties.
Ah yes, skipped my mind, thanks!
Additionally, I believe it would be safe to assume these states would not run the elections the same way again which means dems couldn’t cheat again.
Yes. Read my second paragraph.
The former is still possible given the extreme circumstances.
If those states electors are thrown out then would 270 still be the number? You'd subtract those electors from the total available (reduce the denominator) and the majority would be less and I'm guessing Trump could win that way too.
Its still the number, yes, and thankfully so.
If you were to do what you propose, and make the threshold 50% of the new Electoral College votes (subtracting those 4 states EV), it would be 238 in which Biden would have majority at 244 vs Trump's 232
Its 270 regardless of whether some states fail to submit a slate.
It's up to us. We light the fire under their asses.
Watching these hearings I have found that many of these elected officials have no idea the responsibility and duty they have. Some are down right ignorant or not the sharpest tool in the shed, imo. Others are terrific.
I was shocked watching the hearings. So many of them were less educated and professional than members of my city council.
Watched the Michigan hearings, can confirm. I think my dog had a higher IQ than anyone on that panel.
They also have the option to do absolutely nothing and kick the can to the US House. Since politicians love to kick the can down the road, I am figuring that will happen and you will see a huge campaign against the single rep states like Alaska, SD, ND, MT and Wyoming where Liz Cheney is the only rep. With the hell we have been through, this won't be over easily...it figures to make it as stressful as possible, right?
^This. And we see this repeated throughout this whole debacle...Kicking the can down the road. Only in the event the states punt to the House, we win.
They might not pick Trump, but at least it would be legal.
well, you now added violence and intimidation, which wasn’t part of the original question.
If the legislatures vote for Biden then it would be legal under the constitution. If the legislators are not protected and subject to physical intimidation so their votes are coerced then the republic is already lost. The legislators will be subject to electoral intimidation— i.e., people will call them and threaten to vote them out if they don’t vote the “right way.” That’s democracy, though.
I guarantee you the Supreme Court will not award the electors to Trump, so give up on that dream. The best you can hope for is they toss it back to the legislatures or the Congress.
Technically that decision will effect many more states...NJ, NY, CA...the Governors all made unilateral decisions to change the mail in ballot rules.
if we have learned anything, its that we all need to take a Constitutional law class
My 5 cents worth. If the Supreme's side with Texas, then every State where the same violations occurred, would also have their elections invalidated. Not just Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia.
While i’m not completely certain what the detailed order from the SCOTUS would be if the state legislatures have to pick different electors, I highly doubt the Republicans would vote for Biden. I know that there are a bunch of spineless cucks who won’t stand for Trump, but if the SCOTUS rules in favor of Texas, it would be absolute career suicide if the Republicans didn’t vote with party lines.
Agreed. This is a majority vote in state delegations to the house of reps in congress (to allocate 1 vote per state); so it will be higher level pols who at least have taxpayer funded bodyguards and ivory towers in DC to hide from the BLM mob (and us).
Ultimately, I think that will end up being a good thing, because they will be more worried about political consequences (like the indefinite wrath of Trump voters, aka their base) than immediate physical consequences such as BLM threatening their kids schools/blowing up their houses, etc.
I know most of the state legislatures so far have been full of spineless turds, but they are mostly regular people who have regular jobs and no gumbint funded private security. I’m not excusing their cowardly actions, but I understand how they got there.
SCOTUS won't award the states to Trump. They may vacate the electors and kick it back to the state legislatures. Depending on timing, they may push it directly to the US House for those states. Or they may do nothing. Or something else entirely.
exactly.
They would pick him if the SCOTUS let's them. Political suicide for a conservative voting for a Democrat. They would be finished in politics. No Democrat or Republican would vote them in again.
With Chinese money and threat of exploding cars being voted in again might not be a worry.
Yeah, that's a concern. If they vote against Trump, though, it would be a political suicide mission. I'm not sure there are any pols willing to take that step, so I suspect they will vote for Trump.
I'd guess that suicide might be more than political....
I’ve been seeing the Texas lawsuit posts all day and I’ve been unable to work out what sort of relief it’s asking for.
Is this a void the election suit? What does Texas want the court to do?
They have to vote on party lines.
That's only if it goes to the U.S. House of Reps.
Hmm? Is that true?
I don't believe it is.
I've had similar concerns.
At that point, would the states be ignorable by Pence because the elections are contested?
Could we go the House then?