Let this be the nail in the 230 platform protections coffin, not some 1A bridge to die on
free speech is a protection from government, not from companies.
Let them be a shithole of censorship and void their 230 protections, then take them down for live streaming child porn or violence or whatever other shit would be illegal if a publisher did it.
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or show a memo or some other colusion and direction from a sitting democrat (pelosi/feinstein) to bring this into the government sphere and argue 1A from there.
I follow some advocacy groups that are pushing hard for 230 protections to be repealed because Pornhub has quite a bit of child porn and rape videos and they want Pornhub held accountable. So there’s a big push from that sector (anti-human trafficking advocacy groups).
I know Dan Bongino is against repealing section 230 bc he thinks it will ultimately hurt free speech more than it helps, but ffs, SOMETHING needs to be done!!
Edit: I don’t know that anyone necessarily wants 230 done away with completely, I kind of worded it poorly; it needs changed to remove some of the vagueness that these sites are exploiting, but regardless, these sites in general need to be exempted from 230 protections.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but then what is the solution bc it’s NOT being enforced?? Dorsey & Zuckerberg have testified and lied multiple times to congress yet nothing happens. Leaving it as is and saying it just needs enforced doesn’t seem to be working...
I kind of said that incorrectly, they don’t necessarily want it repealed completely, but do want sites exempted (EARN IT Act legislation). Many say 230 just needs fixed to change the last qualifier of “other questionable content” bc this is the part being exploited to silence conservatives, Trump, or anything not approved by the new world order.
The problem is twofold: Twitter and Youtube are removing stuff that is, for all intents and purposes, harmless but just goes against their ideology while pornhub is allowing all content without any policing and this is allowing child porn and rape videos on their site, which SHOULD be removed.
Thats why Digg/Reddit/etc started as link aggregators. They never actually hosted any content (they do now because fuck it there isn't any enforcement)
We already know these "platforms" have the tools and motives to "deplatform" anyone at any time, so they always have been able to stifle free speech. Worries me that all these idiots don't see that.
I completly agree, but the answer isn't some higher authority telling businesses what to do.
it's removing protections that are being abused, decreasing regulations that prevent new entrants to the market, and hold them liable for the content they publish, and allow the private industry to spawn other "better" alternatives.
Yeah, hes excited to enter the market because hes a capitalist and it's a huge market - but what he sells in china, he also builds in China, he would never transfer all of his production to china. He plans to build giga factories all over the world
People don't talk about it but he's basically making American households apocalypse-proof.
Think about it: if you get his solar roof, battery, cybertruck, and starlink internet, even when the whole system collapses, you'll still have electricity, bullet resistant transportation and even internet.
Cybertruck's a rolling faraday cage. Might survive. Stationary battery is also isolated and has advanced surge protection. Might survive. Half of the starlink satellite swarm will survive a solar flare because they'll be on the other side of earth.
For example, we will remove videos claiming that a presidential candidate won the election as a result of widespread software glitches or counting errors.
Doublespeak.
He didn’t “win” the election.
They are setting the stage. It’s almost showtime, folks 🍿
Big Tech censorship needs to end, one way or the other. Either prevent ANY censorship unless ordered by the court, or.... declare them publishers under the law and liable for anything and everything that goes on on the platform. Nothing in between.
No we do not. All we need is for everyone to start acting personally responsible and leave the censored networks. Donald Trump can quit using Twitter any time he wants.
As much as I disagree with YT's decision, ultimately, it's their platform and get to choose what content that goes on it. Anybody who thinks this is a violation of the first amendment or thinks the government should get involved is just another phony, big government statist.
The government is sworn to protect life, liberty, and property. When an external foe threatens that of its citizens, it is their sworn duty to protect them. Big Tech has impeded our liberty without any recourse, therefore it is the government's sworn duty to face these companies down.
Let this be the nail in the 230 platform protections coffin, not some 1A bridge to die on
free speech is a protection from government, not from companies.
Let them be a shithole of censorship and void their 230 protections, then take them down for live streaming child porn or violence or whatever other shit would be illegal if a publisher did it.
edit:
or show a memo or some other colusion and direction from a sitting democrat (pelosi/feinstein) to bring this into the government sphere and argue 1A from there.
I follow some advocacy groups that are pushing hard for 230 protections to be repealed because Pornhub has quite a bit of child porn and rape videos and they want Pornhub held accountable. So there’s a big push from that sector (anti-human trafficking advocacy groups).
I know Dan Bongino is against repealing section 230 bc he thinks it will ultimately hurt free speech more than it helps, but ffs, SOMETHING needs to be done!!
Edit: I don’t know that anyone necessarily wants 230 done away with completely, I kind of worded it poorly; it needs changed to remove some of the vagueness that these sites are exploiting, but regardless, these sites in general need to be exempted from 230 protections.
230 doesn't need to be removed, it needs to be enforced. Only platforms are protected, not publishers.
This is the correct answer.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but then what is the solution bc it’s NOT being enforced?? Dorsey & Zuckerberg have testified and lied multiple times to congress yet nothing happens. Leaving it as is and saying it just needs enforced doesn’t seem to be working...
There's one man ultimately responsible for enforcing the laws in this country.
And he's backed by the people.
Nobody that I've heard wants 230 removed, just these censorious platforms taken off then
liberals: End legal bailouts to oil industries destroying our forrests and oceans.
also liberals: how dare you end legal bailouts to big tech so they can just do whatever they want.
Really he's already got an executive order to handle this.
The 2018 executive order.
If youtube has investment dollars from China or any influence from China (they have both) then we should assume this is foreign election interference.
I kind of said that incorrectly, they don’t necessarily want it repealed completely, but do want sites exempted (EARN IT Act legislation). Many say 230 just needs fixed to change the last qualifier of “other questionable content” bc this is the part being exploited to silence conservatives, Trump, or anything not approved by the new world order.
The problem is twofold: Twitter and Youtube are removing stuff that is, for all intents and purposes, harmless but just goes against their ideology while pornhub is allowing all content without any policing and this is allowing child porn and rape videos on their site, which SHOULD be removed.
This isn't fucking hard.
Thats why Digg/Reddit/etc started as link aggregators. They never actually hosted any content (they do now because fuck it there isn't any enforcement)
We already know these "platforms" have the tools and motives to "deplatform" anyone at any time, so they always have been able to stifle free speech. Worries me that all these idiots don't see that.
I completly agree, but the answer isn't some higher authority telling businesses what to do.
it's removing protections that are being abused, decreasing regulations that prevent new entrants to the market, and hold them liable for the content they publish, and allow the private industry to spawn other "better" alternatives.
FOR DAYS AND DAYS AND DAYS. It’s at least once on every relatively popular thread
Spammer be gone
That’s not how safe harbor works but they hope their audience doesn’t know that.
They know their audience. Their audience doesn't know it.
They know how low information the average american is.
Go to YouTube and search "Russian Collusion". If you were born yesterday, you'd die of old-age before you could watch them all.
Elon should come up with a new Operating System (PC and Cellphone), Video Sharing Site, and Search Engine... because FUCK GOOGLE!
He did launch strings of nano sats for 5g. But still think he's susceptible to corruption
He seemed excited to do business in China. Definitely more based than the other billionaires though.
Yeah, hes excited to enter the market because hes a capitalist and it's a huge market - but what he sells in china, he also builds in China, he would never transfer all of his production to china. He plans to build giga factories all over the world
Hopefully if he cooks the planet with 5g our deaths won't be as painful.
Elon has enough on his plate.
People don't talk about it but he's basically making American households apocalypse-proof.
Think about it: if you get his solar roof, battery, cybertruck, and starlink internet, even when the whole system collapses, you'll still have electricity, bullet resistant transportation and even internet.
LOL no. EMP and solar flares say hi!
Yup, EMP, all that shit is toast. One good Carrington Event and subsequent Kessler Syndrome cascade, it's all fucked.
Cybertruck's a rolling faraday cage. Might survive. Stationary battery is also isolated and has advanced surge protection. Might survive. Half of the starlink satellite swarm will survive a solar flare because they'll be on the other side of earth.
So, at least we'll be comfortable dying at home from a bio-weapon or forced inoculations.
Rogan O'Handley saw this coming just a few days after the election. He tweeted (paraphrasing):
I am optimistic that they will suffer consequences soon.
Doublespeak.
He didn’t “win” the election.
They are setting the stage. It’s almost showtime, folks 🍿
Salt for your popcorn, too?
There will be plenty available soon from all the tears 😭 😂
Dumb move on Youtube's part. Their censorship is drawing more attention to election fraud than if they had done nothing.
Maybe that's their intention without riling up all the rabid people? :-p
Truth be told, we should be marching on YouTube HQ.
Trump, limited form martial law now!!!
Big Tech censorship needs to end, one way or the other. Either prevent ANY censorship unless ordered by the court, or.... declare them publishers under the law and liable for anything and everything that goes on on the platform. Nothing in between.
Well.. YouTube and the rest of big tech are infected with ChiCom so... is this REALLY expected?
Fuck YouTube, cancel your account!
How is this not a direct declaration of war on the constitution?
No we do not. All we need is for everyone to start acting personally responsible and leave the censored networks. Donald Trump can quit using Twitter any time he wants.
In before google says they won't index pages with Anti communist and CCP language.
Hey Antifa! Why don't you live up to your stupid name and fight YouTube? This seems pretty fascist to me.
This is literally an attack. POTUS should use Executive Order from 2018 to seize ALL ASSETS from Google, Facebook, and Twitter.
Uhhh what?
"destroying evidence"
As much as I disagree with YT's decision, ultimately, it's their platform and get to choose what content that goes on it. Anybody who thinks this is a violation of the first amendment or thinks the government should get involved is just another phony, big government statist.
Fuck libertarians. Your ideology is busted. It doesn't work. It will never work.
Borders, language, culture. That's what matters. Muh free market can get bent.
Then you're just another statist who support big government so long as they push your beliefs. You're no different than your liberal counterpart.
shut up faggot
Original.
Brilliant point, should have read this before posting my own comment.
You're being facetious but nobody has any obligation to give you business.
The government is sworn to protect life, liberty, and property. When an external foe threatens that of its citizens, it is their sworn duty to protect them. Big Tech has impeded our liberty without any recourse, therefore it is the government's sworn duty to face these companies down.
Bullshit. Their censorship just opens the doors for a competition.
"Anybody that doesn't agree with me is shill! Deport!" -- Any republican or democrat
I voted for Jorgensen. I'm only here because I don't think Biden won.
We can dance around definitions all day long but they get to decide what they put out for viewers to view. Not you.
They also provide the framework, software, and hardware for said content to be published.
In both of those examples the readers/viewers have no final say in what gets printed.