Long time lurker finally posting. I also count myself amongst the Left - Classical Left (Clarifying: Liberal) for those that care.
Please grant me a few moments of your time.
I may not agree with you on all things but I most certainly agree that the will of the people is absolute. It is beyond dispute that this election was rigged, but what is also now beyond dispute that this theft was so blatant because they wanted to be caught.
I now fully concur with Mr. Lin Wood, you are facing down the barrel of a color revolution. This is a cold civil war in progress and about to be unleashed.
The extremification of both sides of the aisle is by design, the weakness of your GOP senators et al, is also by design. Yes, Trump is going to win but that was part of the plan.
His win is going to be used to tear the US apart.
Your enemies want you at each other's throats and they have bet the crux of their entire scheme on that fact alone. By shattering the nation, they get to pick up the pieces.
TD has done so incredibly well to rebuff these plans thus far but your hardest task now lies ahead:
Now is the time to be magnanimous, to reach across the aisle and win the hearts and minds of the moderates. Leave those on the extreme left hanging where they belong.
In your efforts you have become the masters of symbology (memes!) and this, truly, is your greatest weapon. Now is the time to build memes that gently waken the stirring. Show the truth but from a perspective of unity and healing. They say "Cope", you say "Good Morning".
Reinforce that this election is not about Trump or Biden anymore, it is about having a country. It's not perfect but it is yours.
The Left has seen who Biden is bringing with him now, what he and Kamala stand for (more war and lockdowns and death). Many on the Left are regretting their vote.
Reach out to them now.
Understand that it's not their fault that they've been lied to, those on the Left are largely decent people who believe that they are doing good work when, in reality, they are the victims of a campaign of weaponized compassion.
There is still room for unity. Move slow, be kind and you will earn the moderates to your side, leaving the color revolution with but a handful of warriors and paid agitators.
Please beware that the "rise of China" is being soft-peddled across Reddit right now as if it's inevitable; of course not at all mentioning what that rise will mean for these poor souls who are already under water. If they think they'll be given quarter or succor they're sorely mistaken. If they thought they were being oppressed before, wait until China really has the reins.
I'm seeing the bubble weaken on my side, people wondering what is happening. The sleeping are stirring.
This is your chance, do not waste it.
You all have done amazing work but what comes next is the hardest part of the journey. Let the courts do what they will do.
You all have a much more important task at hand.
Quiet_Lib
Long time lurker finally posting. I also count myself amongst the Left - Classical Left (Clarifying: Liberal) for those that care.
Please grant me a few moments of your time.
I may not agree with you on all things but I most certainly agree that the will of the people is absolute. It is beyond dispute that this election was rigged, but what is also now beyond dispute that this theft was so blatant because **they wanted to be caught**.
I now fully concur with Mr. Lin Wood, you are facing down the barrel of a color revolution. This is a cold civil war in progress and about to be unleashed.
The extremification of both sides of the aisle is by design, the weakness of your GOP senators et al, is also by design. Yes, Trump is going to win but that was part of the plan.
His win is going to be used to tear the US apart.
Your enemies want you at each other's throats and they have bet the crux of their entire scheme on that fact alone. By shattering the nation, they get to pick up the pieces.
TD has done so incredibly well to rebuff these plans thus far but your hardest task now lies ahead:
Now is the time to be magnanimous, to reach across the aisle and win the hearts and minds of the moderates. Leave those on the extreme left hanging where they belong.
In your efforts you have become the masters of symbology (memes!) and this, truly, is your greatest weapon. Now is the time to build memes that gently waken the stirring. Show the truth but from a perspective of unity and healing. They say "Cope", you say "Good Morning".
Reinforce that this election is not about Trump or Biden anymore, it is about having a country. It's not perfect but it is yours.
The Left has seen who Biden is bringing with him now, what he and Kamala stand for (more war and lockdowns and death). Many on the Left are regretting their vote.
Reach out to them **now**.
Understand that it's not their fault that they've been lied to, those on the Left are largely decent people who believe that they are doing good work when, in reality, they are the victims of a campaign of weaponized compassion.
There is still room for unity. Move slow, be kind and you will earn the moderates to your side, leaving the color revolution with but a handful of warriors and paid agitators.
Please beware that the "rise of China" is being soft-peddled across Reddit right now as if it's inevitable; of course not at all mentioning what that rise will mean for these poor souls who are already under water. If they think they'll be given quarter or succor they're sorely mistaken. If they thought they were being oppressed before, wait until China really has the reins.
I'm seeing the bubble weaken on my side, people wondering what is happening. The sleeping are stirring.
This is your chance, do not waste it.
You all have done amazing work but what comes next is the hardest part of the journey. Let the courts do what they will do.
You all have a much more important task at hand.
Quiet_Lib
Good to hear there's at least one person from the left willing/able to come to the conclusion the election was rigged
It is indisputable at this point, which is even more reason for the need to reach out to the left.
They're starting to stir, now's the time to gently wake them up.
nearly every day I discuss it with my best friend who is a sheeple cuck. I can't believe how thick the wool over his eyes are.
As someone on the Left, the idea of weaponized compassion is a real thing. To be seen as 'mean' or 'cruel' etc is one of the largest possible affronts. The belief that they are living in reality and on the right side of history is firmly established.
But that is starting to weaken.
I hope so. Because I am fully prepared to defend the American way of life.
Good. If you are so prepared then be prepared to do all that is necessary to prevent that ultimate sacrifice of yours and your fellows.
There are still peaceful ways forward that will win hearts and minds.
I have not seen much of hearts and minds on the Left since Oblama was elected.
Just rage and anger.
The way forward is in your laps, Lefties.
The way forward is together.
Even if you disagree. Especially if you disagree.
A house, divided, cannot stand.
right. let's hope. because snapping necks of moron cucks is not something people want to see.
No one needs to die.
Deport
oh boy...
when are you people going to stand on your own two feet and live in reality?
when Obama gets arrested, we're supposed to comfort you sheep?
No thanks. How about you all just shut up and go about your lives and stop asking government for a remedy for everything?
He’s making a point that many are blinded and will not simply shut up and go live their lives. This is about avoiding civil war if possible. Doesn’t change the fact that we are fucking sick and tired of having to hold someone’s hand and walk them through the valley while they scream and yell at us.
Sometimes you have to be the adult.
It sucks and it's not fun.
People who are drowning struggle and flail and hurt those who are trying to save them.
That doesn't mean you let them drown.
The Democrats I know will accuse you of attempting drown them if you even suggest that they might be drowning. There is nothing for it.
I appreciate your message, but I know too many Democrats to share your optimism.
With all due respect, you sound like a box of Celestial Seasoning tea. Go tell the left to lighten up on their sense of moral and intellectual superiority, then we can talk. Sincerely A former liberal
I understand your point truly, and it is a valid one, but how much violence, censorship, suppression, dehumanization, yelling about fascism, destruction of rights and economic freedom is a legitimate amount to tolerate? I really would like an answer to this because it feels like that line is starting to be crossed. What do adults normally do in that situation? At what point do we go from “being an adult” to “not acting in the face of present danger to the republic.”
Have a smile on your face and preach Jesus to them as you lead them to the gallows. If they don’t truly repent.
This is how Forgiving mixes with Justice.
It's funny how he comes here and asks us since we're cool calm and collected and haven't gone batshit crazy on the left. But they go batshit crazy on us and we're expected to remain at the level we are. The funny part is if we just say let's have a truce and let everything continue the way it is they are still going to come for our throats. Sorry I'm not forgiving forgetting or moving on from what they did. They want to take away America. I'm not here to comfort the enemy. And that's what they are. They still want us dead in the streets. Hard pass. Save your breath here and go talk to the left because we are holding the line. We are not backing down an inch.
I have thought that the best way to argue against the left is by taking a position of emotional sensitivity. When they start frothing with rage over Trump, conservatives, Christianity, America, white people, instead of debating them point by point on their argument, just say, “Your heart is so full of hate right now. I cannot follow you down this dark path.” My hunch is that short circuits a leftist’s psychological defenses because they think of themselves as the loving ones, yet as soon as it’s pointed out they are full of hate, they recognize it immediately, even if they’re unwilling to admit it.
There's a good strategy here. The hatred that exists is so irrational that the only reason it stands is because it's being propped up by the media, which is allowing it.
Anyone who spends an honest brain cycle on it will realize that Trump is no Fascist simply from the fact that he is not, nor has he ever, arrested, jailed or killed anyone simply for speaking out against him.
Look up Mao or Stalin or the Kim Jong's... These people are are so lost to irrational anger that they don't even understand what they're angry about anymore.
Which is exactly why some are starting to wake up.
And pointing out that irrational hatred is an excellent way to short circuit them.
From there, you have your opening. Be gentle and they will waken.
It's the classic "are we the baddies" meme
Congrats on still being on speaking terms with your best friend, the person I called a best friend called me all sorts of things a few months back, said I had been brainwashed and trained by Trump to think the way I do and how it’s just like how Hitler could kill so many Jews...I don’t know if I can bring her back, the left might have to keep that one. Sheesh.
I suppose when it's that far gone you have to let that person find their own way back... currently we are on speaking terms, and last night after giving him a few more pieces of incontrovertible evidence he still played the "nO eViDeNcE oF fRaUd"
I yelled at him. And I can YELL loud. Ask my kids. I'm a Marine raised by a Marine so I know how to be loud. He texted me afterword he was thankful for our discussions and our friendship. So ya, I'm pretty lucky.
I wish the best for you and your friend becoming a fren again.
That right there is the difference between men and women. I don’t remember which comedian did a short thing about the difference between men and women fighting, two men will be like “fuck you and I will see you tomorrow”. Never in a million years could I picture what happened with your friend happening with my friend. I’m not even mad. Anger will kill a bitch. I have made so many friends this past year, really great people, and they are actual adults. Patriotism is bringing us together way more than it is pulling us apart.
Did you accept her liberal position?
I bet you did. It's weird the way they don't return the favor.
I definitely didn’t bash her for her beliefs, she is allowed to think what she thinks. Our disagreements started back in February when she told me she thought Covid was a hoax, and I was quitting my job in the ER because I knew it wasn’t. Then next time we spoke she was going on about Trump was an idiot for not closing the country down fast enough. She is a teacher, by summer’s end she had managed to get herself diagnosed with diabetes and was walking with a cane, I shit you not. She did everything she could to work from home. Balls deep TDS. The one thing I got on about wasn’t a Trump issue, it was these virtual zoom classes and teachers calling CPS on kids for nerf guns, I firmly believe they need to mind their fucking business. That apparently triggered her and she said all that shit ⬆️. Just nuts. What’s funny is that of all the shit we talked about, I don’t think, if the shoe were on the other foot (but I mean, isn’t it, we are all here, it is 2020, we are all living it) that I would be blaming anyone for the mess I was in. I didn’t want to work in the ER. I quit. My new job is lit. I didn’t fucking stay there and cry and then make tiktok videos in PPE, I quit and found something better. Why do you want to let someone be in control of your problems people? I don’t get it.
Whoever just read this and made it this far, thanks for listening and have a blessed day pede.
I consider myself a classic liberal (ergo, a Nazi to the American far Left). The issue with "reaching out" and compromise, is that we have already compromised away so many of our founding principles there is no further room for compromise while attempting to remain a free people. All of the following need to come back toward freedom and personal responsibility, or there is simply no point in pretending that we still have a union formed to protect Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit.
I agree. There is no room for compromise since we have already been pushed too far. However, I'm willing to accept any who come willingly with open arms and offer forgiveness. We should treat them as the prodigal son that has finally come home.
agreed
Symbols are your ace in the hole.
Don't argue, show.
It's natural to be angry at those who seem to hate you but they don't know you. They are angry at a caricature that has been painted on the glasses over their eyes.
What truly divides the Left and Right are small things in the bigger picture. We are more alike in most schools of thought than our enemies would like us to admit.
None of that matters when they are tying the plastic bag over your head.
List your major policy concerns for America moving forward and we can see how close we are. I doubt we are close at all.
Look me up when this is over and I'll be glad to buy you a beer.
I'll start:
Income Tax is theft
Schools should recieve no public funding
Abortion is murder
Healthcare is not a right, and will never be free
Our military should be the strongest on the planet
Lockdowns are illegal, mask mandates even more so, and every person involved in their issuance or implementation should be held as a traitor to their fellow citizens.
I like you. We could be real life frens.
I used to think so, but now I am less sure. A significant portion of the American Left now believe it is OK to
These are all deal-breakers, and are WHOLLY unacceptable, regardless of whether most of us like puppies or not.
The problem is that they are following the advice of experts.
Why? Because they care about others and don't want them to get sick.
Add on top of that that the media is portraying to them that 'anti-maskers' are selfish people who care more about their own personal 'freedom' than the lives of others.
The media tells them that the reason they are still locked down is because of these selfish people.
The same media tells them it's okay to go out and protest in large crowds because you won't get sick.
The media is, in my view, the true source of the division in the country.
Getting them off the test is definitely important, if possible.
If you can though don't push them to Right or Left sources, instead, push them to first-hand sources where possible. Let what they think they know be confronted by what is actually before them
Without someone to spin it for them the truth is rather damning.
You aren't wrong, but maybe I'm just old. I've lost patience with the ones I know. They refuse to see anything beyond ABCNNBCBSMSNBCNPR, and now they are putting our freedoms in real danger.
Nothing lasts forever. I was hoping a real internal conflict could be pushed off for 30-50 years, but I am far less certain of that now. There really are irreconcilable differences.
Speaking as someone formerly under their sway it's hard, no doubt about it. But these entities have vastly overplayed their hands and those who were once comfortably sleeping have started to stir.
I suspect that some well-made memes and a patient group of frens with a welcome "wake up" party may go a lot farther than you think.
There are far more moderates than what we have been lead to believe.
Fuck this. Put me in the "Eat hot lead, commie faggots" column.
These are great points for years the fake right neocons have created an extra division making the people on the right seem like stiff elitists. Many of us here are suspicious of the GOPe and only trust Trump - I have gained moderates by criticizing the Romney/Bush globalists clan. There is an opportunity here.
YES!! and right now, the light at the end of the tunnel, the hope that we have is the best thing Trump did for us all... he created MAGA. A movement we can and WILL continue to live by beyond his legacy. There once was a thing called, the American dream. We must strive to make that GREAT AGAIN.
COUNTER-ARGUMENT: “Optics”, “reaching out”, “compromise”, “setting a good example”, “waiting a little longer”, “watch they’ll come around” has FAILED US for 40 years, convincing us to stand by and weakly complain while we’ve been loaded away out of sight into virtual ghettos and cattle cars.
The time to start fighting is not when you are already kneeling by the ditch. THE TIME TO FIGHT IS WHEN YOU ARE AT YOUR MOST POWERFUL.
This may not apply to the ‘messaging to normies’ scenario that OP puts forward, but in some ways, that too is an illusionary goalpost — the media/tech cartel can (and is) scaling it’s predesigned and pretested AI censorship and gaslighting methods to close the small window for free expression that was available, just as the financial and policy wielding oligarchs are closing the window for democratic change and judicial review that took them by surprise in 2016.
WE WILL NEVER BE STRONGER THAN WE ARE IN THIS MOMENT.
I agree. Was just simply stating it's nice someone would take the time to write a well thought out post and admit to the fraud. I say let them sit in the shit they've dug themselves into. The only rope I'm giving the left is to hang themselves.
Yeah I'm inclined to agree here.
A wise man learns from the mistakes of others, only fools learn from their own mistakes. But some people just don't learn. Maybe they're incapable, or just ignorant, but either way reaching across the line isn't going to wake people up.
I guarantee the powers that be want the US to come to a bloody civil war, it only benefits them. But some people are so ignorant, incapable or just plain hateful that there is no way they will come around. We've seen this over the course of years. They'll smugly condemn others to suffering only to be completely shocked when it comes around to bite them in the ass, and if they survive they'll blame someone else.
A bloody civil war will not benefit the US in any way. Killing people on the Left only solidifies and proves the point that they've been being fed: the the Right are insane religious gun nuts that are just looking for an excuse to murder them. Proving this point will galvanize them and you will have a war that the country may never recover from. Especially once those trained foreign soldiers and gangs start getting being unleashed.
They don't care who wins as long as there's violence.
There are other ways forward that don't require bloodshed.
I sure hope so. A lot of people are spoiling for a fight after being attacked, harassed, beaten, bullied, had their livelihoods destroyed, children abused and civilization put to the torch as enabled by leftists.
But we somehow came back after the (perhaps soon, first) civil war.
Most of those clamoring for a civil war will be the first ones to flee the nation the minute one actually arises.
Those who have actually lived and fought in a warzone are not so bold.
Do not trust the 'Left' on the internet as the amount of professional paid trolls has outnumbered the amount of actual users for a long time. And those who aren't, well, they're not indicative of the Left either.
My point is that there are far more moderates than the loud, shitty people on the internet would lead you to believe.
A loud minority can sound like a majority of you don't know what the majority actually sounds like.
I think you're correct to a good extent. A bloody civil war will likely benefit external forces most. However, I don't know if there's anything that can change the minds of those that truly believe the right are "insane religious gun nuts that are just looking for an excuse to murder them." They say that as they've killed people on the right.
In my experience, the only thing that wakes those folks up is being accidentally labeled as "right" when they don't move with the goalpost quickly enough.
Do you have any suggestions? I've been working on a few moderate Democrats for over a year now. I've tried logic, evidence, emotions, etc. but nothing gets through the programming.
There was an excellent comment here about pointing out the irrational hatred that some on the Left have developed but from a place of compassion. I think that, because those on the Left largely believe that they are good people who are on the right side of history, there's a potential to short circuit them by gently pointing out that hatred.
much agreement there pede
I watched the Dem primary very closely; if you're a Bernie or Tulsi supporter and you ever thought the Dems and the media were serving anyone's cause but their own and the broader establishment's, and that they are suddenly unbiased in their treatment of the news and anything Trump related, honestly, you have serious mental problems.
Isn't that another tally for why our Beloved GEOTUS won in an absolute LANDSIDE? It's insane to think the guy that didn't campaign, couldn't get much of any traction during those primary debates, got WAAAY more votes than the token first black man running? I'm not racist but I believe B Hussein Obummer garnered votes simply because he was black. man we are living in fucking looneyville right now.
If anything, it shows GEOTUS succeeds despite the deck being stacked against him.
You say "you all" as if none of what is going on right now affects you. Are you somehow going to be exempt from the radical change China will bring about if they succeed? I respect you and thank you for taking the time to share your constructive views here, but my suggestion to you would be to replace your usage of "you all" with "we."
I was thinking the same thing. As Americans, it's OUR duty to ensure the Constitution and our principles survive. Otherwise, Freedom, Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness are threatened to nonexistence.
It affects all of us. Agreed, in retrospect I might've chosen We but the reality is that there is little that I can do on my own. I was more referring to TD in the royal 'you' sense.
To be fair, I am somewhat of an interloper here and was trying to not misrepresent myself. I disagree with many aspects of the Right but here, now, in this effort, we are allies.
You're not my ally. You and yours have been trying to fuck me and mine my whole life and now that you yourself are on the chopping block too it's time for peace? Suck my cock.
War.
War. How many patriots has this guy called a RACIST or Russian?
This is not helpful. China wants us to have a civil war so they can come in and eat us for breakfast while we are weakened.
China isn't coming in if we go into a civil war. Where are they coming from? How are they getting here? Taiwan doesn't even think China could manage a land invasion against them, so how would they invade us?
They don't need to invade. Your institutions are falling around you. Hell, YouTube is openly complicit in sealing a stolen election.
Make no mistake: you don't need armies in the streets to fell a nation.
China can rule from afar and have Americans killing each other without putting any of their lives in harm's way.
Even if you kill your "oppressors" you've just killed another American which they can use against you.
No empire last beyond its citizens realization that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
I'm not interested in a peaceful commingling anymore.
They can have their color revolution. I don't care. Let them try. There is one very peculiar thing about America that makes it different from every single other country on the face of the Earth.
I have a gun safe in my house with 14 firearms in it and 4 other people who know how to use them. There are 100 million households like mine.
No foreign power is going to intervene in an American Civil War.
It's about 50 years past the time for the USA to be 6-8 smaller nations. No one 3000 miles away from me that hates everything about me and my family should be part of the decision-making process for our governance.
Let the schism come. If SCOTUS throws this out and lets this farce of an election go forward, it's secession time because our Constitution will officially be nothing more than a piece of paper.
Zero chance. China is weak. 1 million Chinese gonna swim across the Pacific to die by machine gun fire?
haha. i like you.
Fuck outta here, coward.
This is really counter productive. We do not want civil war. China will come in and eat us for fucking breakfast if we fight among ourselves.
How do you fight off the enemy while letting some of them run around your operating base at the same time?
You either clear out the ones in your midst or else you lose.
And that is so much easier when you have moderates on your side trying to help you do that.
The people pushing for civil war cannot pretend to be moderate, they do not have the time.
Our standing military is around 3 million soldiers.
Our citizen militia is 100+ million
China isn't going to pick off anything if half the country secedes and tells China that anything they thought they owned in the new country is ours now and they can fuck off.
In this effort we are allies. By this line he completely exposed himself. Its a shill pushing "be calm , sit down and shut up" message.
I'm not Right wing. The point I made was simple: In the face of a threat this large and present I don't have to agree with you in order to fight beside you.
Furthermore what I said was explicitly to elicit a specific action: outreach.
Quite literally the furthest thing from 'be calm, sit down and shut up.'
Maybe list just a few of the "many aspects" you don't agree with.
With respect, to do so would create unnecessary division.
Right now? My disagreements do not matter with an enemy at the gate. In my opinion, the focus should be on securing a future for the nation first and then there can be a discussion on the finer points of the road forward.
Is it climate change? It's climate change isn't it. Because if It's guns...
Actually, I fully support the second amendment.
Fully? As written? As in, no limits?
You are a communist sympathizer.
I think he was giving respect by addressing our group as separate from “him, the new guy,” otherwise it’s totally going to read like “Hello, fellow millipedes!”
Because the alternative would be “Hi everybody, I just joined, and here’s what we have to do.”
Doesn’t seem like a viable strategy, so I personally don’t have any kind of pronoun nitpick.
Hey! Not all Canadians are Cucks. I identify as Texan? B)
we have the best lurkers don't we??? Winning is contagious PEDES
You're winning because the truth is on your side and it's become undeniable.
You have a small window to act and bring moderates on side before Trump wins. This absolutely needs to happen to prevent the civil war that they want.
Personally I could care less about a civil war. I know what side will win that. It's the great reset and this globalist movement I'm more concerned with. I could be naive/ignorant.
*edit: also, I've not personally seen combat, I have been trained and spent two tours as an electronics systems tech. I welcome the fight. I'd enjoy snapping necks and gouging eyes.
A civil war will not just be between the Left and Right in the US. The Left knows they will not win that war. The UN will be called to get involved and then the shit will really hit the fan.
I don't think the UN has anything on the US military. Honestly I think the chances of anything happening on those scales is about the same as the recently reported chances of Biden winning after 3am on election night.
I think it has become clear that the UN is not an unbiased observer. I hope I'm wrong on this point.
The UN has no standing army. A single state could cobble together a militia strong enough to bring the UN to their knees. If any foreign country sends in troops it will be considered an invasion and declaration of war. Allied nations would see it for what it is and it would grow into a world war. No the preferred outcome but a victory would bring freedom to more places all at once which would be beneficial.
So I'm wrong and the UN actually is an unbiased observer?
That’s assuming it’s a 100% lock that military leaders will be on the right side of this, we’ve already seen that there is a lot of the top guys that are deep state.
I am a former Marine and seeing general Mattis turn into a China-supporting, deep state bitch was no bueno, but here we all are.
I agree that the US military could make any amount of “UN peacekeeper“ fags disappear by blinking our eyes - that’s a given.
I've been quietly sad about Mattis cucking out as well.
I don't see in general, the E-4 mafia or the Lance Corporal Underground following orders against what they know to be wrong.... if it went that far.
Semper Fi fuck the other guy
*edit; I was in an MOS filled with guys who aced the ASVAB, I myself gaffed off the last 15-20% of each section answering D, D, D, D, D, D, D to move on to the next section and still got an 86th percentile. I finished in about 40mins. So essentially, to explain myself I, and my fellow 59s were fairly confident assholes. We basically ruled the roost. Narcissist nerds.
Yeah, no doubt some will go against, maybe surreptitiously, but the mechanism as a whole is built withstand those kinds of malfunctions.
I don’t have huge worries about that, but it wouldn’t be that hard, if a rebel civilian group was making progress, just to send the most hard-core mfrs to quash them, send a message. We know how the chain of command will sell it to enlisted and low level officers - that they will pitch it, they will say “these are actually bad guys.“
Ruby Ridge, etc.
You make a good point though, certain sections of the military are filled with 18 to 24 year old smartasses that think they know everything - that was totally me too, lol.
The UN needs to btfo - they will have their hands full with quelling urges from the other nuclear powers that would love to exploit our little civil skirmish. From a globalist stance, the only viable reason for the UN to insert themselves in something that does not concern them is for them to play their planned role in the color revolution (hint, they're not on our side).
The window to win the Left is before Trump is declared the victor.
Focus efforts on waking the stirring, show the enemy at the door - a common enemy, one that is against everything the Left stands for (China has Muslims in concentration camps!) is pitting the Left vs the Right. What will China do with a fallen US?
Do you really believe they'll be merciful?
I suspect that Pelosi et al will call them in.
Respectfully, in the midst of an openly stolen election that is currently being certified, the argument to tradition or 'how things work' doesn't really hold much water anymore.
Then every Democrat is a traitor and we should act NOW.
The UN...lolz.
Slaffter
Yup, it isn’t something we can stop once it rolls
It's not civil war until states secede and governors take command of their military assets.
Aside from some skirmishes with antifa/blm and Proud Boys I am not anticipating any chaos.
Antifa and BLM have most likely been neutered.
That being said, I know a lot of people on the Right are at the edge of their seat waiting for a go signal.
Sir, we are happy to have you onboard, I’m a hardcore conservative, and you are absolutely correct. We try to red pill all the time. And reach across the isle. I can speak for most, that a Biden win WAS TOTALLY acceptable Nov 3, as long as it was an entirely fair Election. But when you see what has been done to this nation and our election. It is apparent America is under attack. We want everyone’s freedom preserved. We want 100% freedom of speech for the LEFT and right. It should scare all Americans when censoring occurs. Many democrats have joined the fight. Glad you are in the fight with us friend.
It's heartbreaking to watch this unfold. It's also why I've chosen to step out here - this place, here, now is a real chance to hit back against the rising threat. It'll be slow going but moderates on the Left and even Bernie supporters can be won over.
For the Bernie supporters, focus on how the Dems rigged the primaries against him. That is the ultimate red pill.
That worked for my brother.
How's that been working out for American for the last 50 years? If there is ever a time to not compromise, it is NOW.
Not disagreeing, the far left, are a danger.
So are the moderates and the """classical""" left that enable them. If the opportunity presents itself I'm not going to sit back and "compromise" for the USA-in-name-only. Too many liberties have been traded in at this point.
Sharks need the ocean to swim in.
Well written and completely agree.
Thank you!
Those on the far left will ALWAYS blame Trump. They'll never blame China.
and the elitists not only will not blame China, they defend them
Not with that attitude.
Thank you for this.
Great post, it's very much appreciated here. The hardest part is so many are now very far to the left. The pool of moderates has been shrinking for years, too, as they either get more radicalized by their propaganda or see the truth and join the Trump Train. I've always tried to push for people to find other sources for things besides msm. I've been trying to slip in red pills through conversation. Some have been successful, most have not. Something really big needs to happen for many of these people to finally open their eyes.
To win the Left focus on compassion. If they think Trump is a fascist, look at what China is doing. Mention the concentration camps, the social credit system... and then show how China has compromised Biden.
Also show how the Dems used this same election system to screw over Bernie. There are lots of ways to reach moderates and even those on the far left.
Ha! Thanks.
I believe it's worth the effort to try and wake people and even if it doesn't work, it's good practice.
Today was clearly an insane day on a number of levels on this site. I'm so grateful to have had this many positive and insightful conversations.
Here's hoping something good comes of this.
Thanks again!
There is no winning the Left at this point. They have to leave the cult of their own choice. You can't save them, they can only save themselves.
In other news:
For determined Patriots it might be time to join their local militia.
Agreed.
I retire from the military in 21 days. I pray every day that GEOTUS institutes a stop loss. If not I'm joining a militia until I'm recalled back to active duty!
Disagree completely. This argument supports the idea that corrupt Democrats are so good at corruption that the only way they can get caught is if they want to be caught.
Democrats don't get caught because they want to be caught. They want to cheat and get away with it! The reason they get caught is because their ego gets the best of them. The believe they are invincible and they push the line more and more each time. And in the case of the 2020 election fraud, the evidence is overwhelming. They weren't set up to just cheat a little, they set themselves up to cheat A LOT.
I will not be reaching across any isle in a gentle manner. Red pills are best distributed as a suppository. If you do not push hard, you will never be successful. Progressives need shock therapy to knock their self-centered brains lose enough to get them to listen. Trying to tell them that "it is about having a country" doesn't do anything as they believe they are the ones fighting for the country. Progressives need to be beaten over the head as hard as possible to create effective moments of kicking them out of their brainwashed states.
I respectfully disagree with your conclusion but thank you for sharing your perspective.
Classical liberals are a dying breed. Trump has taken all of the good policies that Classical liberals used to support and he's already incorporated them into his policies. Classical liberals aren't really the problem.
Also, kudos on your first post. Welcome.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. One of the biggest wakeup calls for me was actually stopping to listen to what Trump was actually saying instead of listening to the 'zinging' that the media cherry pickers roll out for clicks.
Those on the Left comparing Trump to Obama and being upset that he's not more of a statesman are missing the point.
Trump is a New York brawler and, clearly, that is exactly what was needed considering where we are right now in the election cycle.
They have been tearing the country apart as is. It does not make sense for them to want to get caught, especially to this degree.
Now that they have been caught, yes they'll continue to look for was to tear more. That's what you're seeing. Nothing more. Nothing less.
You're premise relies on the idea that the Democrats are in charge of the Democrats.
They have freedom, just as any American citizen does.
I assume you mean that we all only have an illusion of freedom?
We have more freedom than any other leading world power does. We can still choose to have courage. That has not been taken away.
Exactly.
I agree. This is a good post. Many on the left are there simply because they were never presented an opposing viewpoint without having the opposing viewpoint first be skewed by media propagandists or fake comedians.
I do think there is a next phase to this and it could get ugly.
There is a window that is closing fat, before Trump is crowned winner, to get the moderates on side. I believe that TD can knock the color revolution on its ass if it focuses it's efforts on building bridges and gently waking the stirring.
Quietly and carefully. Emphasis is less on Biden vs Trump and more illustrating what the demise of the US will really mean for those on the Left. (Nothing good).
There are many on the Left who are stirring from slumber, who need to be reminded of what the Left truly stands for. This campaign of weaponized compassion has crippled rational thought but the seams are showing and there is an opportunity to bring the moderates on the Left on side.
I envision a brief video, from the first battle between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker which takes place in front of the emperor while the space fleets battle outside. As the emperor says, "I can feel your anger! Let your hatred make you more powerful!", we see the face of the emperor, and it is the face of Xi (CCP leader). It is not necessary to label Vader and Skywalker as leftists or conservatives, liberals or Trump supporters. Each viewer can choose for themselves. And each viewer can see how father and son are pitted against each other to serve the evil Chinese "emperor".
Someone with talent could make it. That clip would illustrate the threat of China to Americans, Because we know from the storyline that the emperor doesn't care who wins, only that there is conflict.
Precisely. It doesn't matter who wins as long as the nation crumbles.
There legitimate discussions to be had and they will be had but, for now, band together to deal with the enemy at the gate (and, really, inside the gate) first.
I have no skills in the technical area, I wish I did. But perhaps...one of your liberal techie friends could make it for us?
If I could do it I would!
I highly doubt you've even told a single friend this. I know that because if you challenge a cult's belief you are thrown out of the cult.
You might "win" some minds here, but just know there will always be actual patriots in the crowd looking for people just like you.
This is a good post.
No it's not. There isn't a single good point in the post. The left has gone too far and there will now be consequences. Once the left realizes this, there will be more and more people like OP coming out of the woodwork trying to say "we should just unify and be in this together". Too late for that motherfuckers.
https://www.attacksontrumpsupporters.com/
Reinforce that this election is not about Trump or Biden anymore, it is about having a country. It's not perfect but it is yours.
Like that sentence.
Thank you!
You cannot try to shake hands with people who want to put you in camps. They will cut it right off. The sheep will always side with those who they see as strongest and by following them they cement that strength. Trump has fought every insult with an insult and never smiled when he was attacked. If he did it would make him seem weak. Everyone that isn't on your side is a moron and should at least be made fun of. It is their fault they listened to propaganda and it is their fault they're sheep so you should hold them accountable.
Notice that Trump never talks down to people without power, even when they disagree with him.
There has been a 4 year long concerted effort by those in control of the media et al to poison the well against Trump.
You cannot fault poisoned people for being poisoned, esptwhen they are starting to realize that they have been poisoned.
I just don't see any evidence that they are realizing this.
Great point: Fellow pedes, do you think Trump is weak by never talking down to people without power, even when they disagree with him?
wHy DoN't yOu WaNt hEaLiNg aNd uNiTy?
https://www.attacksontrumpsupporters.com/
I partially agree with your position, but consider:
Trump is fearless in the face of confrontation, obviously.
But how does he treat people when he thinks he has a chance to convince them?
Does he holds grudges, and go all “you fukkin cucks!,” or does he guide them back over to the right side with compliments?
His tweets are public record, he is the info war master - never afraid to bust ass, but never afraid to reconcile.
Great post- we need to talk more about how we are being played in a color revolution more.
This OP is the exact definition of a 'based' liberal. I have plenty of friends who are liberal, but they tend to vote more republican or independent the last decade because the democratic party has moved way too far left for true liberals. This post and explanation is based as well. I'm keeping my eyes, ears and 'mind' open throughout this scenario. I think you are correct in your perspective but the layers to the game have me staying dynamically objective and agile in thought as this thing plays out. Thanks for the great post!
Thank you for taking the time to respond. I don't have all of the answers and can only share my own perspective but I have been watching critically for a long time.
I am posting now because the evidence convinced me and I believe that TD is incredibly well-positioned to help prevent the bloodshed to come.
The dead cannot see the error of their ways (or the future they would have died for).
You are absolutely correct in your assertion. The other thing I try to do (btw, I am a rather conservative mid-30s, old school family-man) is help my brethren understand the difference between a liberal and a progressive, haha! I actually wholly enjoy a beer and a nice 'data-filled' conversation with some of my childhood friends, who just so happen to be liberal, and we will go over our opinions and reasoning. It helps me be inflective of why I have a certain viewpoint, or on some rare occasions I may change my thought, partially, on that subject. I think that is healthy. However, progressive-communists, a beer and a conversation can not be had with these types and it is not worth trying. It is like talking to a completely drunk person. Glad to you have you here at thedonald and keep chiming in with good information, it helps the whole cause. Godspeed!
I love to challenge my views on the world, there is so much that I don't know.
One thing that I do know is that I don't want to see people killing each other in the street at the behest of a foreign entity.
There are peaceful ways forward and every moderate brought on side is one less that you must fight.
This person is so on point. I'm a former lefty too. The everyday leftist is a good person who has been misled and lied to. They are our brothers. We have to help them.
Still a Lefty here but I respect that there are valid viewpoints counter to my own. I look forward to debate and further understanding.
Liberals have been lulled to sleep into 'Leftists' and 'Progressives' by a campaign of weaponized compassion. They are starting to stir and there is a window - before Trump wins - to reach them.
I believe that TD is best positioned to bridge the divide and prevent the bloodshed that foreign enemies are counting on.
Oh yes, of course! Sorry, that was worded sloppily, I didn't mean to imply you weren't a lefty and I still believe in a lot of the leftist values I grew up with (not invading foreign countries, freedom of speech, etc). Your point about weaponized compassion is so accurate. I have a lot of friends/family who have fallen prey to this tactic. Anyway, thank you so much for your generous and insightful post. I hope this community is able to help with reaching out and gentle and friendly communication.
Hey, I got your message and have been trying to reply but it's not letting me because my account is too new.
Thank you kindly for reaching out, I really appreciate it. I'm glad to stick around and try. I believe it's worth the effort if there's even a chance to prevent unnecessary bloodshed down the line.
Thanks again!
No it's not time to unite. Let's quit this whole conflict avoidance stuff. There is no reuniting left in this country. Quit trying to psyop us into seeing people like you as anything but the reason our society has imploded.
I disagree with your perspective.
I do not want anyone to die at the behest of a foreign operation.
People have been blinded. Killing them for having been blinded is cruel. Unblind them and call them to your side.
There were various windows between 2010-2018 for that to occur, but those windows are almost gone now. Online conversations aren't even allowed any longer because any site/forum that includes people from both sides will shadow-ban conservatives right after a political conversation erupts. And in-person conversations are quickly ended with someone saying "don't talk to that person" after just 1 or 2 points are made. The location or place for free and uncensored bi-partisan discourse doesn't exist anymore for the most part.
The merits of truth cannot be communicated anymore if there's no place for healthy public discourse.
Let your discourse be memes.
Don't argue. Show.
"I finally woke up because of all the memes." [insert college liberal meme pic]
-No Progressive in 2020
You're 4 years too late. You don't start memeing after the opposition has burned down and destroyed our cities. The correct "show" response is a show of force.
In a country where hundreds of millions of non-contributing dipshits get to vote for the rest of us, why in gods name would we not want to bring people over to our side? Ego?
Did the new guy suggest we change a single one of our beliefs? Because if he did, I’m very comfortable telling him to hug a nut.
Some over-propagandized dumbass that stupidly went down the wrong path is not the same as Nancy freaking Pelosi. People fuck up, people get confused. This forum is full of those motherfuckers.
I like you, stick around.
You're absolutely right. This is a multilayered plan with a number of exit strategies and preferable outcomes.
Trump will win but the cost is going to be huge.
Perhaps there needs to be a lite version of TDW.
Some place with less machismo than here to help the soy adjust.
Keep fighting the good fight fellow patriot
TD is a lot to swallow for those who are just waking up but it is also a necessary, eye-opening experience.
Many on the Left are never forced to question that their position might have an alternate and worthy viewpoint. That is the danger of the 'Leftist' or 'Progressive' bubble that has been built.
But it has begun to weaken and there is a chance to reach them.
I have been wondering if all the social media disclaimers and warnings are actually backfiring. Even normies know what trying too hard looks like.
I agree on this point. It's subtle but it does start to make people question eventually.
Those who still don't see what's been happening are lost. Sorry, but as Yuri Bezemnov made clear, the brainwashed people are beyond help. They can be left alone in their delusion, but that's all they'll get from me. Thanks for your feedback, nonetheless, lib.
I was a homeless squatter punk for most of my life. Yes most of it. I lived with ANTIFA and Anarchists and animal rights terrorists in abandoned buildings and homeless camps and in the woods and on the streets etc all around the country for decades. Basically all of my friends had FBI records by the time they were 15 yrs old for being little violent terrorists. I grew up amongst those stupid brainwashed scene kids that just burned down a bunch of cities over the summer.
During Trumps first election they all turned on me and threatened me with violence blah blah blah because i supported Trump. We are talking friends i had for over 20 years in some cases. I lost basically every friend i ever had and a good part of my family, my job, my entire lifes work having to do with music, etc. Those people have never contacted me again after i sort of "disappeared"...
Im just gonna say its the Left that needs to figure out some sort of come together moment. The Right embraced, supported, and has literally physically defended me against Leftists since i lost all my friends. People i dont know personally and dont even know their names have fucking taken blows to protect me and others from the same people i used to stand next to. Do you know how that feels? They have shown me over and over and over again they accept and love me. You can look at it like this. The people i used to fight, hate, and actively work against were the very same people to take me in when i lost everything. I will never turn my back on them. They are more dear to me than my own blood at this point. I never got that from the Left. As soon as i disagreed with them they hated and attacked me. Its not my job to make sure those people are comforted and safe after what they have done to me and everyone else they hate and now may have to deal with the consequences from that. My life was ruined. I can never go back. I now never want to and i never will. Its us they need to worry about and im through giving them pity or trying to be civil with them. The Right is ready and very willing to go to fucking war. The Left has absolutely no clue what can be unleashed on them. I hold no sympathy for them anymore. They have gone way too far at this point. Their leaders know this and keep brainwashing them. Oh well...
They know they would lose any sort of violent civil war. I suggest if they feel like surviving their own anger they stop destroying everything and start helping all those they have hurt to heal and take back this country.
They wont.
The prodigal son has returned... now he is a full Trump supporting blood brother that I will proudly share a foxhole with if they keep poking this bear with the stick.
Fuck. That. Republicans have been doing that for 40 years. You come crawling to me and apologize for trying to destroy this country or fuck off. Those on the left, even the moderates, have gotten us to this point. We just wanted to live our lives and enjoy our freedoms and you mother fuckers either pushed for it or were complicit because you are so fucking ignorant to the world. I don't give a flying fuck if you were lied to. It isn't the worlds job to open your eyes, that responsibility lies completely on you.
Respectfully: You wish I was crawling.
My purpose here is to prevent bloodshed. Full stop.
Believe me or don't.
I tend to think the tree of liberty is due to be watered.
That's kinda the definition of crawling in this context. The radicalized left lost the election, likely lost the popular vote, and by a lot. America is divided in media only. We now have a shrinking faction that expects to bring "bloodshed" to the party of the military, gun ownership, militias, and the commander-in-chief. That's not exactly a threat. Bloodshed will be prevented by force, because the right will force the left to live in a free society.
I have been having the same feeling for a couple of weeks now, regarding the possible purposeful rigging of the election with the intention of getting caught. Who stands to gain from the country divided? If we're at each others throats, we can't possibly be paying attention to what our enemies are doing, or how they might be moving against us. With our focus turned inward, what does China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea, hell, Europe, plan to do? We have to make the fight about our inalienable rights, the sanctity of the Constitution, God, and our duties as Americans, and not about left vs right. This only furthers the divide! Plenty of liberals want to keep their country too. We need to find common ground. The Left is only a small percentage of the population. Don't let their false ideologies drag you down to their level. Stand tall and firm, with both God and history as your guide, and the Constitution as your beacon.
this is the way
I was a liberal and a Bernie supporter until 2016.
It was very simple for me though. The Left stopped being about individuality, and everyone told me “vote blue” or I was just a privileged white male. I was treated like dog shit by my own comrades.
I came to TD (on Reddit) and found the classical Liberal in larger quantities. Yes, there are deep conservatives, too; but I was treated like a human again.
After the last four years, I no longer identify with your side because it’s been hijacked by communists and SJWs. They are ruinous. All of them. They want to tear everything down around them. They claim everything — EVERYTHING — has been built on the back of racism, sexism, and every other -ism known to man. They are actively teaching my daughter to hate herself in school because she is white.
I’m sorry, friend. We once would have linked arms, but those days are done. Thank you for posting here, but we will no longer sit idly by while our country is handed over to communist control. Pick a side. War is coming.
What the DNC did to Bernie was what woke me up. If anything, I thank them for it.
For a long while I believed that the Right we're subhuman. Then I realized that this dehumanization was a tactic of war. I was being trained to dehumanize people I disagreed with.
That fully woke me and set me on this path.
Now that the election is beyond tampering is beyond dispute, I see others on the Left stirring as well.
TD, I believe, has a real, honest opportunity to wake the moderates and bring them on side which will end this infiltration before it comes to a hot civil war.
I wish only to prevent bloodshed.
how does this only have 54 upvotes?
Ok, I'll bite. Lets assume you have a good idea/perspective of the normal, average Leftie. Not the extremes, Antifa, in on the scam, etc... just the "normal" person. They have some degree of TDS, and it is reinforced by all their "news" pitching to them the Plandemic, Orange Man Bad, and a scattered dose of "OMG Gun Violence" and "Systematic Racism", keeping them scared and hiding in their basements. They think we are terrorists, some kind of evil being that can't see The Truth and that everything that comes out of our mouth is a lie (and possibly giving them a disease with near certain fatality).
How exactly are you proposing we reach them?
If it is a person-to-person conversation, what should we open with?
If it is online, what website won't immediately ban the comment and/or account?
It isn't like they are going to church, or a community organization meeting of similar stature where small-talk would allow a natural introduction of the subject.
Start by talking about China. About their active concentration camps full of minority Muslims. Talk about the rise of China and their social credit system. Their silencing of dissent, an actual dictatorship where criticizing the government gets you killed.
From there talk about Trump's 'dictatorship' where people openly mock him and worse without reprisal. How is Trump a fascist?
Show the evidence of the voting abnormalities, the voting spikes and say this is exactly the kind of things that happens in dictatorships - North Korea, Russia, China. Who is that spike for? How did it get there?
Show evidence of Chinese spies working for American officials. The Chinese Blue Gold Yellow plan.
How does Americans killing each other benefit outside forces? China is a rising world power, would they benefit if Americans killed each other? Would inflaming racial tensions while funding organizations like Black Lives Matter help their goals?
What's this about the senate report on Hunter Biden's laptop?
There is an enemy at the gates. This isn't about Trump or Biden anymore it's about having a nation, period.
It's not perfect, but it's a start.
You try this and let us know how it goes. Most of us have lost friends and family over silly attempts like what you're suggesting. I can guarantee from personal experience this talk track does not fly.
If the conversation cannot start with the mounds of evidence regarding election fraud, then the conversation is over before it even starts.
I've been predicting a civil war for nearly two years now, maybe a bit longer. It's terrifying to see it unfold right before my eyes. It's coming and while I'm prone to fits of raging and ranting about condescending braindead liberals, I do NOT want war. It would be terrible, despite what I think the outcome would be.
Like you've suggested, I also believe that our overly outraged society is the result of an attack by China. They are patient, deceptive, and evil. If we descend into internal chaos, I 100% believe we will be attacked somehow, either via Chinese troops already staged inside our borders or by the ones staging in Canada and Mexico. Many, many people will die and it's all 100% China's fault but it's the liberals that have feminized and neutered our men, radicalized our women, and invited this evil into our country while snidely dehumanizing those of us who looked on in horror. With their noses in the air, they accused us of every evil they could think of, shamed our religions, desecrated our flag and service folks, and belittled anyone who didn't agree with their woke dogma.
Even now, with the fraud that seems unquestionably obvious to millions, they persist, even ramping up their efforts to mock, shame, silence and cancel.
I am with you in your belief. We as adults need to be the adults. Can we? Can I? I honestly don't know.
Look me up, u/Quiet_Lib, if you find yourself in Austin. I'll buy you a few beers, toast to your reaching across the aisle, and we'll have a nice, friendly chat.
Thank you for giving me your time. The road forward is treacherous but there is a lot of room to walk side by side. Our differences help us highlight and challenge our weaknesses if we're willing to face them honestly. In facing our weaknesses and challenging ourselves we all grow.
I look forward to taking you up on that beer one day.
Years of harassing, bullying, killing and division while preaching tolerance yet showing none. Then when the bullies are caught in a trap of their own making its now time to heal?
RIP my sides
This is the correct take. The writing's been on the wall since prior to the 2016 election (I mean this literally: "Liberals get the bullet, too" written on the walls of UC Berkeley by antifa at the time).
The only question is how this goes down.
Unfortunately, Progressives forget their history books. Once the revolution is done they're the first ones lined up against the wall and shot.
I'd like to prevent anyone dying needlessly.
Yeah no sorry we have nothing in common with the left anymore and most likely very little with you. Time for tolerance is over we do not value the same things and it is time for a separation. Peaceful or violent it must happen I will not compromise on any of my values or my way of life for anyone. That includes “moderates” and “classical liberals”. I’d rather be dead than have to appease those who have hated me so for years and years. It is time for them to be on the outside
Very good post. OPede understands this at a low level.
I've said the same. Something stinks about all this. The fraud is TOO blatant. I'm even questioning the fact that TX files its SCOTUS case at the 12th hour on the last day.
These things could have been handled many moons ago, but they weren't. This is so telling... they've been allowing this to slide as much as possible. Many state officials are in on it. Its sickening but its planned.
At some point many of us may have to ask the question "are we willing to stay behind when the mob walks too far to the right"
I believe there's a chance to stop bloodshed before it begins. It won't be easy but there's a window and the Left is stirring.
Win the moderates and you win the war without a bullet being fired.
You heard em, MAN THE MEMES!
I believe the battle cry was: "Let the Tendies hit the floor!", Yes?
Why do the left write massive walls of text?
Learn to be succinct.
Welcome Fren!
Thanks for conveying this and putting emphasis on China trying to subvert our nation.
A hot Civil War is what they want if Beijing Biden doesn't get the Presidency and they'd likely suffer some serious blowback once the connections are uncovered, enough so that we'd likely be staring at sanctions that would make the Cuban and Iranian ones look weak. That'd likely drive the stake into their heart with the current decoupling trends and they would find that unacceptable to their world domination plans.
That alone would likely make the CCP feel the heat and they'd rather watch the US burn so they can assume the role of the single superpower on Earth with all manufacturing centralized to them. Dead Americans only benefit them since those won't be American soldiers fighting their forces and allies off if a hot war occurs. No manufacturing capabilities means other nations have no vehicles of war and will fight as infantry as they have all the mechanized warfare elements. They've been wanting this for decades and they were on their path to success up until 2016 thanks to the fresh outsider that is Trump.
Thank you for granting me your time. In short, China has already been backed into a corner in just 4 short years thanks to Trump and they have everything to gain by helping speed along his downfall.
I'm hopeful that we can start to see beyond the rise - there are far more moderates than what the horrible Twitter/Reddit sockpuppet accounts would have us believe.
All I've been doing is trying to do outreach with center leaning, moderate and left types to let them know how we're screwed from the national security perspective thanks to the loss in manufacturing and what Trump has done to bring it back to stave us off from the brink. It kills me that China had this "meteoric" rise and that a good part of the general public "accepts" this and would be fine with their status the dominant superpower. I've gotten some people back from the brink of TDS after pointing out he's policy wise doing all the things they would have wanted in the past from a decade ago or more.
I've even pointed out the cognitive dissonance in some cases to try to wake people up - they may end up strongly-disliking Trump but they backed down from wanting to become cannon fodder in a hot shooting Civil War. They were blinded by constant propagandistic hatred and only when called out enough times did they finally wake up.
The media is practically a hate plague engine that drives people who otherwise are limited information types into irrational hate and they spread that hate among their friends and family. It is especially bad with the ones who rely on close social trust for information.
It hurts a bit to see some of the far left types who would rather have 1 year of their policies before China crushes them but those types are the ones too far lost for outreach; they already accepted a Communist China dominated world and they're willing to lick the boots.
I have family stories about the Chinese Communists in the 1930s doing things like picking up "anti revolutionaries" to drive out from the city in trucks, then making them dig pits, lining them up neatly and then shooting them. Afterwards the bodies were "disposed of" with the golden teeth and jewelry harvested afterwards.The only reason that these things get shared as word of mouth stories is because these people screamed and yelled to "remember them" as they were brought out of the city by the truckload.
Extra points for the phrase "weaponized compassion"... that nailed it for me.
Thank you.
No, thank you. Really. Glad to have you around.
I feel like I'm being told to spare Gollum AFTER he led Frodo and Sam to Shelob...
.... not easy to do.
Not saying it would be easy.
Only worthwhile.
Yes I too was a brainwashed leftist! Thanks for the advice! I've been waking up as many people as I can!
Glad to hear it!
You see that, boys? They're sending in diplomats to negotiate. This is what winning looks like. If you voted for Biden, fuck you you fucking pedophile lover. The country isn't divided. You are part of a minority fringe group that will see a swift defeat.
When General Flynn references “the information war,“ what exactly do you think he’s talking about?
Throwing books at antifags, lol?
he is obviously a Trump supporter
False
The OP seems sincere, but I for one don’t give a rats ass. I’ve watched and listened to people on his side for years, they treat us like crap,they are condescending, they treat our women and children as bad or worse! Claiming it’s now time to work together is just CYA. No one sells out my country without consequences. My red pills are dispensed at 3200 feet per second!
I'm a leftist Trump supporter. there are lots of us. whine about it
So people like you are part of the problem thanks for identifying yourself
how am I a part of the problem? I have converted several people into new Trump supporters. I don't even live in USA, but I did my part by creating some Trump voters there. Have you turned any never-Trumpers interested supporters? If not, is it because you're an asshole? stfu.
I don't associate with loser leftists and don't want them on my side. their ideas are a cancer and are responsible for the destruction of society starting with karl marx.
you sound like more of a libtard than me. wanna cancel me? silence my opinions? do you need a safe space?
if you don't want me on your side, go join the antifags
I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Vult, I believe he goes by Deus
NO FUCKING WAY.
If Trump werent holding you by the balls you were completely ok with destroying everything we stand for. Go away shill.
I personally think those that are on the left that are awake, and see this for what it is, would be far more effective than any of us. I for one have zero tolerance for liberals, and tend to lack the required patience to "gently" wake them up. Me "gently waking" a liberal up is the equivalent of a bucket of ice cold water thrown in their face followed by a kick to the side of their head. Just saying.
That's fair. Do only that which is within your means.
For my part I have been gently offering alternative perspectives and trying to show how the rise of China as the main global superpower benefits no one in the West who isn't incredibly wealthy.
Thank you. That's something we should all be able to do... keep our dignity, remember our roots.
I can almost 100% guarantee you that when Trump wins and Antifa begins to cause trouble, patriots will react in the same way as before.
It would be more advantageous for the globalists to make trump lose because patriots would be out in force.
I don't buy that they're going to let Trump win. That is least likely to start a war beyond what soros already paid for.
Hopefully the rumors are true and Trump really has spent the last 2 years (or more) preparing for exactly this moment.
I guess we will find out soon enough.
He's been talking about election fraud since 2012. I can't imagine he wouldn't.
And if he hasn't, well then he isn't the man we all think he is.
Truth.
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You have some great points and I feel pretty conflicted on this.
I agree that we need to push it is not red vs blue but Institution vs the people.
The problem is the left projects their hatred and ignorance onto others, they will not hear you either through choice or design. Leftists do not convert, they are thrown from their ivory towers once they question the narrative or become inconvenient. Some might join the populace ("right") but many I think become demoralized and refuse to become involved and too many will try to fight, plead or beg their way back in, blaming what happened on everyone else.
I do think we should be magnanimous in victory. I'm not sure it will do any good. The polarization has affected anyone invested.
Don't go after Leftists.
You want moderates. Convert the moderates and they will reach the Leftists.
A Leftist is a Liberal lulled to sleep thanks to a campaign of weaponized compassion that has assured of their unwavering virtue, nestled safely on the right side of history.
With that said, most are decent people who really want to help others, they believe that they're coming from a good place. Show them the reality that is knocking on their door.
A world with China as the reigning superpower will destroy every single one of the things they claim to care about. They literally have concentration camps full of Muslims right now and the international stage is silent. If the US falls, China will be collecting the pieces.
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A classical liberal is far, far different than what we have today. Serious question - how do you feel people on different sides of the isle distance themselves from the extreme, fringe groups? I don't want to be associated with white supremacists and nazis the same way you probably don't want to be associated with Antifa. Yet, the people want to lump people in groups in order to point the finger. I fundamentally disagree with my classic liberal neighbor, but would have no problem going out for beers with him. On the other hand, I absolutely hate the "rise up" Antifa communist types who want anarchy. Thoughts?