Taiwan, as in The Republic of China, the beautiful independent country west of Okinawa and east of some communist nation; in fact the rightful rulers of that communist nation?
The notion that an election can not be disrupted by fraud has been fact checked by debunkers who confirmed that they have checked the debunked facts. Let me be perfectly clear.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were to suffer psychological damage from seeing this money go away before term and had to engage in a lawsuit in order to recover from this whole ordeal.
Yeah that‘s a 100% certainty. They need to make an exempel and they will do it on him and his family. That NO ONE EVER DARES TO DO THIS AGAIN. MAGA will be „officially“ framed and put into the same category as Nazis. Communist Style Cangooroo courts on any dissent and as follow up the complete dismantlement of the government as its already now with the corrupt FBI & DOJ.
They already have the fake media under control that will not report about any scandal. With BigTech censorship they control 95% of the flow of information, which is enough to shut every dissenter down. They will just destroy the country and no one will even be able to call them out on it.
One does not declare himself king as you said. Trump needs the populace to know in their bones their govt has been stolen.
He will exhaust every legal and constitutional method before resorting to revolution. This is because he is responsible. This is how it should be done.
We are watching political theatre right now. The result is never in question. Trump is just waiting on the crooks to do the right thing.
Exactly. Coups fail when the people are behind their president. They are successful when like during the iran revolution the controlled Media turns the public against the president
Allow Trump to deploy the military on US soil to arrest anyone who threatened national security or constitutionality by, for example, rigging an election.
It will suspend the business as usual, and will allow Trump to be President again! The kind and the deep state have gotten too bold, they need a reminder that DJT is still the boss!
Do we sit back and let the systemic corruption of China purchased politicians that probably achieved office through the use of China sponsored, Venezuelan developed voting machines, decide the course of our nation and our children’s future?
“Fight”? What does that mean? I don’t mean “1776!” Or “helicopter rides!”
It doesn't help that anyone who wants to talk specifics is immediately attacked as a "glowie."
Assuming that the President invokes the Insurrection Act, I don't see any great problem -- he (or his command structure) -- calls up the Militia and gives specific instructions. Personally, I'd have no problem with that.
If you mean what would we do on our own, well, that's the hot question that no one wants to answer.
I've been looking for an answer to this question as well but haven't been able to find much... There doesn't really seem to anything specific planned on a national level?
As usual - I am probably wrong and absolutely will not be offended if someone has better info to answer this.
Most of them are. Not all, but the "glowies" themselves used to be the ones who preferentially used that word. This has changed, though, as the dumb newcomers didn't recognize that and started aping them.
Someone else answered correctly - President Trump will tell us what to do and when. If Twitter blocks him he will use emergency notification systems to tell us the country is under globalist siege. To fish for specifics is an invitation for FBM to come knocking.
Stupid bookies are paying out too early. I read that BetFair which has the largest share of bets is still holding on for the official call of the Electoral College. Paddy Power paid like 3 weeks before the election in 2016 for Hildebeast based on "polls" and then had to shell out all the winnings for Trump and lost over $1 million. I can't wait for these idiot bookies to lose again and realize YOU CANT STUMP THE TRUMP.
Are you sure that they allow you to bet the political markets from the regulated states in the USA? Was under the impression the US political markets in particular might not be available unless you're in another country, but I guess there's a chance I'm mistaken.
I was under the impression it was possible to bet on their website from those three states I mentioned. But perhaps there is a caveat if it’s a political bet. I’m not much of a betting man, and I don’t like the idea of betting money on something that is potentially the most important moment of modern civilization, but, I also don’t wanna kick myself next month for missing out on an easy few grand haha
Maybe, it depends on how much is on the line for them I think.
Releasing the funds into virtual accounts probably results in a small amount of actual real dollar payouts, while the majority gets put right back into betting, where they make their money.
Doubt that highly. I envision more of a situation where Lion Ted delivers a blistering argument to SCOTUS along with 2 semis full of gaylords of evidence that is undeniable. The merits of the case are bulletproof and it is a slam dunk.
Then SCOTUS says "well you rascal states you messed this all up so i guess you have to figure it out on your own, we aren't doing shit".
Imagine Ted standing there grinning smugly while phone call recordings are played to SCOTUS of stuff like:
"Get that truck of Chinese-printed Biden ballots to Philly right now! Oh, and tell the Detroit folks to print 20,000 more sham Biden ballots and scan them, quickly! We have to make the paper ballots seem to equal the fake Dominion totals, people. HUSTLE!"
Can you imagine the epicness? Followed by the mass arrests?
You forgot option 0. Do nothing and communists take over. That is worse than the unthinkable horror of #1.
Also, the Space Force general is his guy. And the joint chief and vice are also Trump guys. He's got Pompeo and Miller and he also has a slew of patriots inside that are not Chyna compromised. He'd have been ousted long ago if he didn't have a force with him. We just don't hear about it.
Possibly, except Trump has put his people in good spots and also has Space Force. Space Force isn't some bogus arm of the military. They have a 700B budget and are, as of 2020, their own functioning branch. This is important, if he crosses the river.
Possible but unlikely. My guess is they will try to maximize legality and minimize public outrage (and thus direct repercussions). In that scenario I could see them rule the state elections must be thrown out, and that the legislature needs to decide on the remedy for their state. That way the SCOTUS is consistent with the constitution, and they punt it to many people to make the decision collectively.
With the Texas suit would these states have to throw out mail in ballots that were unconstitutional and that would flip them to trump? Or would it invalidate their electors and then the betters don't have to pay out since technically neither side won the state.?
Texas is seeking relief in the form of the state legislatures choosing their own electors in the light of illegally changed laws + the fraud. So all of the states that have certified their wins for Biden would have to send new electors.
Ye cocksuckers waited till after the election and shut down "counting" to manufacture just how many votes they needed off the voter rolls. Why isn't there a deadline to a presidential election- even with all the cheating, if the deadline was like 1AM on Nov 4th, Trump would have been declared winner right then. Also, Why is there no quick remedy to this? Why cant someone just dump every vote on a table out in the open and get the National Guard to evaluate the legality of every vote?
It's crazy how we see things and the other side doesn't. It's should be a simple remedy. Every vote in by midnight on election day counts. The rest do not. Someone besides democrats or republicans should be counting the votes in the first place.
There are SO MANY votes that aren't counted by midnight on election night though, even in a normal election with minimal mail-in voting. People don't realize, it doesn't usually get this much attention because results don't normally "change" so drastically but if there was a midnight cut-off... we'd have to forgo paper ballots entirely and just give more power to the machines. Not good!
because the people defending no deadlines didn't finish their projects or turn in their homework leading to failure. They think it's moral to give these outrageous Nov 11th. deadlines.
In 2016, New York Times had Trump at 93% at 10:00pm
In 2020, Trump was at 82% on the New York Times meter when I went to bed.
Redditors were melting down. A Young Turks host was calling hispanic people white supremacists. We were leading in PA by 1 million votes with less than 20% left to report
Then I woke up and Biden has a heavy lead thanks to counties that magically decided to stop tallying the votes on election night.
Whether you want Trump to win or not, the shit that happened on election night should concern everyone
I sensed fuckery from the start. In hindsight they knew that counting would be halted and were making sure to never let Trump have a lead in the electoral votes.
Red states were in and counted big percents with big leads, but they didn't call them. Trump would have had a huge lead, but then counting might have "stopped" with Trump in the lead... which would have looked bad for Biden.
So they called states for Biden with only 0-1% of the vote in... even though those states were leaning heavily for Trump. Once they pumped Biden's numbers up they gave Trump one or two of the ones he obvious had hours ago. They wanted Biden to be "in the lead" whenever counting stopped... and they knew it would stop...
I went to bed at around 10:30 on election night knowing for a fact that Donald J. Trump would be reelected President of the United States. I wake up and WHAT THE FUCK???!!!
You didn't see Trump ahead because you weren't looking. Every betting site swung hard toward Trump as the votes came in a la 2016.
They aren't meaningless. The betting odds flipping to 97% in favor of Trump as the count comes to a close makes it statistically improbable for Biden to come out on top.
They only changed as the endlessly "discovered" new ballots were announced.
You should maybe secure your own padded helmet before you start calling others retarded.
There's not some guy sitting in his room just setting the number to whatever his best guess is. The number is based on the movement of those placing bets.
When the numbers go upside down as soon as votes start coming in, it's an indication that a. overwhelming number of people playing the market see signs that suggest Trump is going to win. It's the fact that enough people saw a certain Trump victory to completely reverse the betting odds to his favor.
Its not that its the same as a well-designed poll. It's just another example of how, before the ballots were being found left and right, pretty much everyone was of the opinion that Trump already had it in the bag.
Yeah, its not as significant as a prophetic statement. No, it shouldn't be treated as a guarantee. But its not completely useless. It serves to justify the fact that everyone thought Trump had pulled off the win as soon as votes were being counted.
Now tighten your helmet straps a bit more, because it's apparently not protecting you from much at the moment.
So remind me at what point Trump was ahead in the real polls. Not the fantasy ones. Cause I can’t remember that ever happening.
Depends on your definition of what a "real poll" is. I understand if someone as retarded as yourself doesn't understand why that request is relevant, but none of the usual "real polls" were even close to correct. Besides, no one is suggesting that the betting odds are "real polls."
The entire point is that they were a live presentation of what people believed would happen. The "real polls" leading into Nov 3 are irrelevant to this topic.
Which is why we need real evidence and not anecdotal tea leaves nonsense. That will only get us laughed out of court.
Now now, my little retarded friend. No one is going to use betting odds in court.
My god I cant even understand why I took the time to respond. You're lost on this right out of the gate.
Again, before calling people retards as a defense mechanism for your own failure to understand basic concepts, maybe take a second to think about why you're bothering to jump into the discussion while you're clearly confused as all hell to begin with.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AND WHY ARE RETARDS UPVOTING YOU? THE ONLY "NUMBERS" THIS GUY CLAIMED IS THE EXACT SAME NUMBER THAT TRUMP JUST CLAIMED.
ON THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION THE BETTING ODDS SHIFTED DRAMATICALLY TOWARDS TRUMP WINNING. FACT.
I watched the betting odds closely prior to the election and constantly checking them during the election night and into the next day. Stossel has a good page that shows the aggregate across the big (mostly eruopean) gambling sites.
Trump at one point was -800, massive favorite probably around that 10 pm time he's referencing. Started at +200 or so prior to election day, then when polls started to close, Trump started climbing, first even, then 2 to 1 favorite, then by 10 pm eastern -800, 8 to 1 favorite, implied odds of about 90%. Basically the election was over. The people gambling real money (and a lot of money overall wagered) have a good idea of what's going on, they knew there were states that were counting mail in ballots after election day ballots, they knew Trump would do better on day of voting and worse on mail-in. Gamblers collectively know everything. It's like the stock market, it's priced in. The overwhelming support Trump got with election day voters and the numbers he was getting on mail in showed the election was over and GEOTUS won.
Then few of the key counties in key swing states stopped counting, the fix was put in, we've all seen the unexplainable ballot drops, and by morning Biden was a favorite again.
I don't remember the exact numbers, is that what you mean? If someone can go to this site, and toggle the date range from the night of the election, you would see. election betting I tried to do it, but couldn't drag the buttons close enough, I don't know how to make it precise, but someone probably can.
I remember it pretty well since I had made a bet. In Sweden, it was 4 times the money for Trump and 1.2 for Biden when it all started. As things went on, Trump soared and right before the AZ call, it was 1 for Trump and 5 for Biden. Then, all of a sudden, the odds reversed again. It was the most surreal thing I have ever seen.
Trump started out 2/1 underdog. For our non gambling pepes that means you win 2 dollars for every 1 you wager.
By 10 30 PM he was a fucking 1/8 favorite. In other words a 4 times bigger favorite than Biden when he started out the night. It was over. You don’t ever lose a 1/8 bet, you get 1 dollar for every 8 you bet. The fix was in and a bunch of rich people in the loop prob made millions
Betonline still solidly holding Trump money line ticket as 'Pending'.
One of, if not the biggest red pill for any pesky election-fraud-denier convos I have. Quite a few bookies know.
I put a few grand on the Trump electoral college win at +165 ($1 bet = $1.65 win).
Several bookies, mine included obviously, are not paying/closing tickets to either side.
Make of that what you will, but it is a very clear sign even big bookies know 'president-elect' at this moment is complete BS.
I went to bed around 11 pm on election night. I was very happy with the results. TDW had a link to the young Turks and I needed some daily sodium. They were saying things like, of course Biden lost, he didn’t campaign, and that Kamala wasn’t genuine. They were already talking about 2024.
Woke up the next morning like WTF??
Bookies set odds so they get even money on both sides to guarantee a profit, not who they think is going to win; this just means more people were betting on trump to win and they needed to incentivize people to vote for biden by making it a higher pay out if he won.
It's funny because the book swung that night. I was watching Fox -- which we now know is absolute garbage -- but at the time, they made a huge point to say the bookies had overwhelmingly called it for Trump. Then when we woke up in the morning, all of a sudden everything flipped.
What bookies did that? In 2016 it shifted during the day but by the evening it was looking much better for Trump already.
These idiots for one
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3924156/Bookmakers-Paddy-Power-lose-4-5million-Donald-Trump-s-shock-win-paying-1million-punters-backed-Hillary-Clinton-election-over.html
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Wet dicks
Deport.
Let me talk to you in your home language, maybe you'll get it through your stupid head.
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Taiwan, as in The Republic of China, the beautiful independent country west of Okinawa and east of some communist nation; in fact the rightful rulers of that communist nation?
That Taiwan? I love that place.
My beautiful wife is from that beautiful country
Hilarious, will do.
Maybe this guys just really concerned about January
How will that Chinese made cat toy solve anything?
He probably thinks January is a very angry cat?
It will help his chinese overlords find him as his laser gives away his position from the bushes
Look at his messages.
Crazy betting anywhere that pays out before the end.
Paying out in the 4th quarter in the superbowl is absolutely insane sounding right?
Atlanta's up 28-3. Just pay up now.
I'm not a Falcons fan, so I wouldn't know.
IF?! GTFOOOOOOO
The notion that an election can not be disrupted by fraud has been fact checked by debunkers who confirmed that they have checked the debunked facts. Let me be perfectly clear.
I think u/Xnyr21 is worried about us even if he wins that they already paid out for Biden so may not get his winnings
Congratulations on your winnings!
I wouldn't be surprised if you were to suffer psychological damage from seeing this money go away before term and had to engage in a lawsuit in order to recover from this whole ordeal.
smart...the odds are in your favor on that dispute.
Maybe they should wait until it's official like the respectable betting sites do, and not be dumb NPCs who think that AP chooses the president.
Biden isn't even officially declared the president elect; much less the mountain of evidence, horde of angry conservatives, and pending lawsuits
The site paid out too soon like a bunch of morons
It's time to start tweeting about what's going to happen when the courts don't stand up for the Constitution.
Insurrection Act
Trump himself, and his family, will also be arrested on made up charges and put in prison. From there he'll be Epsteined.
The swamp cannot allow someone else to challenge them again. They'll want to send a message.
(((Rothschilds)))
Umm, no.
The internal revenue service was Officially formed in 1918. The Federal Reserve was formed (illegally) in 1913. Coincidence? I don't think so
Yeah that‘s a 100% certainty. They need to make an exempel and they will do it on him and his family. That NO ONE EVER DARES TO DO THIS AGAIN. MAGA will be „officially“ framed and put into the same category as Nazis. Communist Style Cangooroo courts on any dissent and as follow up the complete dismantlement of the government as its already now with the corrupt FBI & DOJ.
They already have the fake media under control that will not report about any scandal. With BigTech censorship they control 95% of the flow of information, which is enough to shut every dissenter down. They will just destroy the country and no one will even be able to call them out on it.
No, no. If we don't burn every communist in the world on the 20th of January, if Trump is not president, then we never will.
Damn straight, his whole family will be targeted after this if he doesnt hold the Presidency. He would be a fool if he didnt enact it.
I don't believe that at all.
"Your ignorant"
You literally make something up out of thin air but I'm the ignorant one.
I did attack the content, I said you made it up out of thin air.
I think they are advising him of the potential, but not asking for it yet.
Flynn is. But you might argue it's only him and he's not part of his "inner circle"
One does not declare himself king as you said. Trump needs the populace to know in their bones their govt has been stolen.
He will exhaust every legal and constitutional method before resorting to revolution. This is because he is responsible. This is how it should be done.
We are watching political theatre right now. The result is never in question. Trump is just waiting on the crooks to do the right thing.
Exactly. Coups fail when the people are behind their president. They are successful when like during the iran revolution the controlled Media turns the public against the president
Implying Trump is not already a war time president. The man’s favorite book is the Art of War.
Allow Trump to deploy the military on US soil to arrest anyone who threatened national security or constitutionality by, for example, rigging an election.
Even better. He can deploy the militia.
If the US military refuses to obey, pedes could be sent to arrest Spez, Osama Bin Laden, and Cuckerberg
That sounds like the best goddamn day of my life. Or at least top 10. I've had a good life.
You must have had an amazing life if thats only top 10
Radio?
If Trump invokes the Insurrection Act he'd have channels to communicate
The God Emperor would ignite the Astronomican.
freedom boner intensifies!!!
Everyone should read this article
Yes they should. It deserves its own post imo.
Well, I gave it an upvote, but I'm six hours behind, so too late to really help.
A good read. Be good to get some legal commentary on this. Lawyers around?
No offense but if you still think in terms of what's legal then you've not been paying attention to what happened in 2020.
There is no legal. America is a banana republic. The only thing that matters is violence, as BLM has demonstrated.
SCOTUS is going to rule for us if they think we'll be more violent than the communists if we lose, and viceversa.
Insurrection Act depends entirely on how much of the military will decide to support Trump.
Millitary tribunals will hear any treason/coup cases, fast.
It will suspend the business as usual, and will allow Trump to be President again! The kind and the deep state have gotten too bold, they need a reminder that DJT is still the boss!
Tweeting? Yeah good look getting facts past the ministry of truth.
I'm actually more worried about the compromised legislators when the Supreme Court sends it back to the states.
Whether they're compromised by fear of the international mafia (aka DNC, et al) or they're just plain corrupt.
IMO if you pick electors and they're thrown out, then you've blown your shot to cast electoral votes.
Agreed.
We need military action. Enough is enough. Too many people know now.
Someone please buy me more popcorn!
Standing back and standing by!!!
This is one of the most historic times in our nations history since 1776...
Absolutely EPIC!
We are at a historic cross roads.
Do we sit back and let the systemic corruption of China purchased politicians that probably achieved office through the use of China sponsored, Venezuelan developed voting machines, decide the course of our nation and our children’s future?
Or do we fight for truth and sovereignty?
FOR THE CONSTITUTION!!!
We have a leader.
His name is Donald Trump.
We do what he tells us to do to save America.
The colonists didn’t have a plan to fight England, but they did and they won.
God is on our side.
It doesn't help that anyone who wants to talk specifics is immediately attacked as a "glowie."
Assuming that the President invokes the Insurrection Act, I don't see any great problem -- he (or his command structure) -- calls up the Militia and gives specific instructions. Personally, I'd have no problem with that.
If you mean what would we do on our own, well, that's the hot question that no one wants to answer.
Find a local militia and talk to someone there.
I've been looking for an answer to this question as well but haven't been able to find much... There doesn't really seem to anything specific planned on a national level?
As usual - I am probably wrong and absolutely will not be offended if someone has better info to answer this.
Which assumes that you have a local militia.
This comment glows from space
Some of them are. But the feds are also definitely on this site and taking notes.
It's a little lose-lose for us.
Most of those are pretty obvious, though, and removed quickly.
That's cause they are.
Most of them are. Not all, but the "glowies" themselves used to be the ones who preferentially used that word. This has changed, though, as the dumb newcomers didn't recognize that and started aping them.
Someone else answered correctly - President Trump will tell us what to do and when. If Twitter blocks him he will use emergency notification systems to tell us the country is under globalist siege. To fish for specifics is an invitation for FBM to come knocking.
Fight for the constitution and republic.
There is no other choice, I don’t care if I and millions of others die doing so.
Tens of millions will die if we don’t stop the advance of socialism.
The line is drawn now.
Those that don't die will live as slaves.
Hundreds of millions.
1776 v.2020
Stupid bookies are paying out too early. I read that BetFair which has the largest share of bets is still holding on for the official call of the Electoral College. Paddy Power paid like 3 weeks before the election in 2016 for Hildebeast based on "polls" and then had to shell out all the winnings for Trump and lost over $1 million. I can't wait for these idiot bookies to lose again and realize YOU CANT STUMP THE TRUMP.
A very intelligent financial decision on their part.
On the Betfair Market.... there is over 1.5billion just sitting in limbo atm
I’m trying to put some money down on betfair but I’m not in Nevada Delaware or New Jersey and my damn vpn isn’t working properly at the moment 😭
Are you sure that they allow you to bet the political markets from the regulated states in the USA? Was under the impression the US political markets in particular might not be available unless you're in another country, but I guess there's a chance I'm mistaken.
I was under the impression it was possible to bet on their website from those three states I mentioned. But perhaps there is a caveat if it’s a political bet. I’m not much of a betting man, and I don’t like the idea of betting money on something that is potentially the most important moment of modern civilization, but, I also don’t wanna kick myself next month for missing out on an easy few grand haha
Maybe, it depends on how much is on the line for them I think.
Releasing the funds into virtual accounts probably results in a small amount of actual real dollar payouts, while the majority gets put right back into betting, where they make their money.
Even if conceded and uncontested, I would wait until inauguration to pay out on "who will be president". Anything can happen.
Only exception would be ones with "as called by the associated press" or some similar clause in their rules.
I wonder if the supreme court will rule all votes after midnight are void...take the results as they were at 12AM and that's who is President.
Doubt that highly. I envision more of a situation where Lion Ted delivers a blistering argument to SCOTUS along with 2 semis full of gaylords of evidence that is undeniable. The merits of the case are bulletproof and it is a slam dunk.
Then SCOTUS says "well you rascal states you messed this all up so i guess you have to figure it out on your own, we aren't doing shit".
Then Trump crosses the Rubicon.
I love how we all know what gaylords are now.
In 2000 it was decided by Chads; in 2020 it will be Gaylords!
I think it'll be this kind of "HOLY SHIT HE HAS THAT?!?!" evidence:
https://thedonald.win/p/11QRtYLIIu/the-big-weapon/c/
Imagine Ted standing there grinning smugly while phone call recordings are played to SCOTUS of stuff like:
"Get that truck of Chinese-printed Biden ballots to Philly right now! Oh, and tell the Detroit folks to print 20,000 more sham Biden ballots and scan them, quickly! We have to make the paper ballots seem to equal the fake Dominion totals, people. HUSTLE!"
Can you imagine the epicness? Followed by the mass arrests?
Yep. Even then I'd give SCOTUS 50/50 at best.
That's how I feel but I also feel like Trump's going to stop this shit once and for all so I'm not going to fucking doom out on a SCOTUS call.
You forgot option 0. Do nothing and communists take over. That is worse than the unthinkable horror of #1.
Also, the Space Force general is his guy. And the joint chief and vice are also Trump guys. He's got Pompeo and Miller and he also has a slew of patriots inside that are not Chyna compromised. He'd have been ousted long ago if he didn't have a force with him. We just don't hear about it.
No. 2 would be impossible because there would never again be an honest election.
Then we get fucked by RINOs.
Seems like the most likely outcome but hey 🤷🏻♂️
Possibly, except Trump has put his people in good spots and also has Space Force. Space Force isn't some bogus arm of the military. They have a 700B budget and are, as of 2020, their own functioning branch. This is important, if he crosses the river.
Possible but unlikely. My guess is they will try to maximize legality and minimize public outrage (and thus direct repercussions). In that scenario I could see them rule the state elections must be thrown out, and that the legislature needs to decide on the remedy for their state. That way the SCOTUS is consistent with the constitution, and they punt it to many people to make the decision collectively.
I don't see anyone making this argument though. Any lawsuit demanding this?
That's highly unlikely. Based upon the Texas case, it's likely they'd force a contingent election and thus it goes to house delegations
I watched predict it. It was in the bank at like 11pm mountain time. Complete flip. Obviously this is all a scam
They're trying to change the rules, now. They're trying to say even if Trump wins, it goes to Biden once they call it for him.
Media-elect
I think pa market is closed to new traders, right?
With the Texas suit would these states have to throw out mail in ballots that were unconstitutional and that would flip them to trump? Or would it invalidate their electors and then the betters don't have to pay out since technically neither side won the state.?
Texas is seeking relief in the form of the state legislatures choosing their own electors in the light of illegally changed laws + the fraud. So all of the states that have certified their wins for Biden would have to send new electors.
For the 2nd part it should still resolve to ‘NO Biden’
I have bets in 8 different PredictIt Markets...all are still open and unsettled.
Same here! Also a pa pede
Ye cocksuckers waited till after the election and shut down "counting" to manufacture just how many votes they needed off the voter rolls. Why isn't there a deadline to a presidential election- even with all the cheating, if the deadline was like 1AM on Nov 4th, Trump would have been declared winner right then. Also, Why is there no quick remedy to this? Why cant someone just dump every vote on a table out in the open and get the National Guard to evaluate the legality of every vote?
Every public place nowadays has cameras. All except for where they count the votes and for Epstein cell.
It's crazy how we see things and the other side doesn't. It's should be a simple remedy. Every vote in by midnight on election day counts. The rest do not. Someone besides democrats or republicans should be counting the votes in the first place.
There are SO MANY votes that aren't counted by midnight on election night though, even in a normal election with minimal mail-in voting. People don't realize, it doesn't usually get this much attention because results don't normally "change" so drastically but if there was a midnight cut-off... we'd have to forgo paper ballots entirely and just give more power to the machines. Not good!
because the people defending no deadlines didn't finish their projects or turn in their homework leading to failure. They think it's moral to give these outrageous Nov 11th. deadlines.
Because it's not about being "right" it's about winning.
Hilary was at 97%, definitely wasn't at 10pm though
That has nothing to do with it, that 97% for Hillary was based on polls. Trump's 97% is based on real votes. Big difference.
Polls had her at 97%. When the votes came in, Trump was at 99%.
They learned their lesson in 2016. In order to win, CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT.
In 2016, New York Times had Trump at 93% at 10:00pm
In 2020, Trump was at 82% on the New York Times meter when I went to bed.
Redditors were melting down. A Young Turks host was calling hispanic people white supremacists. We were leading in PA by 1 million votes with less than 20% left to report
Then I woke up and Biden has a heavy lead thanks to counties that magically decided to stop tallying the votes on election night.
Whether you want Trump to win or not, the shit that happened on election night should concern everyone
I sensed fuckery from the start. In hindsight they knew that counting would be halted and were making sure to never let Trump have a lead in the electoral votes.
Red states were in and counted big percents with big leads, but they didn't call them. Trump would have had a huge lead, but then counting might have "stopped" with Trump in the lead... which would have looked bad for Biden.
So they called states for Biden with only 0-1% of the vote in... even though those states were leaning heavily for Trump. Once they pumped Biden's numbers up they gave Trump one or two of the ones he obvious had hours ago. They wanted Biden to be "in the lead" whenever counting stopped... and they knew it would stop...
I went to bed at around 10:30 on election night knowing for a fact that Donald J. Trump would be reelected President of the United States. I wake up and WHAT THE FUCK???!!!
Has Vegas even paid out on this election? I would guess they wait until Inauguration Day if not.
Last election they waited until inauguration
At 10pm though?
TRUMP
Sure - before the night started, but the live odds certainly were not in Biden's favor until ~4am Wednesday.
You didn't see Trump ahead because you weren't looking. Every betting site swung hard toward Trump as the votes came in a la 2016.
They aren't meaningless. The betting odds flipping to 97% in favor of Trump as the count comes to a close makes it statistically improbable for Biden to come out on top.
They only changed as the endlessly "discovered" new ballots were announced.
You should maybe secure your own padded helmet before you start calling others retarded.
There's not some guy sitting in his room just setting the number to whatever his best guess is. The number is based on the movement of those placing bets.
When the numbers go upside down as soon as votes start coming in, it's an indication that a. overwhelming number of people playing the market see signs that suggest Trump is going to win. It's the fact that enough people saw a certain Trump victory to completely reverse the betting odds to his favor.
Its not that its the same as a well-designed poll. It's just another example of how, before the ballots were being found left and right, pretty much everyone was of the opinion that Trump already had it in the bag.
Yeah, its not as significant as a prophetic statement. No, it shouldn't be treated as a guarantee. But its not completely useless. It serves to justify the fact that everyone thought Trump had pulled off the win as soon as votes were being counted.
Now tighten your helmet straps a bit more, because it's apparently not protecting you from much at the moment.
Depends on your definition of what a "real poll" is. I understand if someone as retarded as yourself doesn't understand why that request is relevant, but none of the usual "real polls" were even close to correct. Besides, no one is suggesting that the betting odds are "real polls."
The entire point is that they were a live presentation of what people believed would happen. The "real polls" leading into Nov 3 are irrelevant to this topic.
Now now, my little retarded friend. No one is going to use betting odds in court.
My god I cant even understand why I took the time to respond. You're lost on this right out of the gate.
Again, before calling people retards as a defense mechanism for your own failure to understand basic concepts, maybe take a second to think about why you're bothering to jump into the discussion while you're clearly confused as all hell to begin with.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AND WHY ARE RETARDS UPVOTING YOU? THE ONLY "NUMBERS" THIS GUY CLAIMED IS THE EXACT SAME NUMBER THAT TRUMP JUST CLAIMED.
ON THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION THE BETTING ODDS SHIFTED DRAMATICALLY TOWARDS TRUMP WINNING. FACT.
You're literally the one REEEing, none of your response to him made any sense or addressed what he actually said.
You're arguing against Trump's tweet here not us. Make that clear next time you shill.
Not on election night they weren’t. They adjust throughout the night and at one point I saw Trump -600
-750 I saw
Can confirm, I recall seeing that too.
Saw -875 at one point
I watched the betting odds closely prior to the election and constantly checking them during the election night and into the next day. Stossel has a good page that shows the aggregate across the big (mostly eruopean) gambling sites.
Trump at one point was -800, massive favorite probably around that 10 pm time he's referencing. Started at +200 or so prior to election day, then when polls started to close, Trump started climbing, first even, then 2 to 1 favorite, then by 10 pm eastern -800, 8 to 1 favorite, implied odds of about 90%. Basically the election was over. The people gambling real money (and a lot of money overall wagered) have a good idea of what's going on, they knew there were states that were counting mail in ballots after election day ballots, they knew Trump would do better on day of voting and worse on mail-in. Gamblers collectively know everything. It's like the stock market, it's priced in. The overwhelming support Trump got with election day voters and the numbers he was getting on mail in showed the election was over and GEOTUS won.
Then few of the key counties in key swing states stopped counting, the fix was put in, we've all seen the unexplainable ballot drops, and by morning Biden was a favorite again.
I don't remember the exact numbers, is that what you mean? If someone can go to this site, and toggle the date range from the night of the election, you would see. election betting I tried to do it, but couldn't drag the buttons close enough, I don't know how to make it precise, but someone probably can.
OBVIOUS BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!
We have the best bookies don’t we folks!
I remember it pretty well since I had made a bet. In Sweden, it was 4 times the money for Trump and 1.2 for Biden when it all started. As things went on, Trump soared and right before the AZ call, it was 1 for Trump and 5 for Biden. Then, all of a sudden, the odds reversed again. It was the most surreal thing I have ever seen.
Trump started out 2/1 underdog. For our non gambling pepes that means you win 2 dollars for every 1 you wager. By 10 30 PM he was a fucking 1/8 favorite. In other words a 4 times bigger favorite than Biden when he started out the night. It was over. You don’t ever lose a 1/8 bet, you get 1 dollar for every 8 you bet. The fix was in and a bunch of rich people in the loop prob made millions
Bring the military and wreck these commies.
Betonline still solidly holding Trump money line ticket as 'Pending'. One of, if not the biggest red pill for any pesky election-fraud-denier convos I have. Quite a few bookies know.
I put a few grand on the Trump electoral college win at +165 ($1 bet = $1.65 win). Several bookies, mine included obviously, are not paying/closing tickets to either side.
Make of that what you will, but it is a very clear sign even big bookies know 'president-elect' at this moment is complete BS.
Oh, no fucking disclaimer this time, Twitter???
FUCK YOU BIG TECH!!!!!!!!
I had tracked this the days alluding to election night. Was getting -1200 then jumped to +400 around 10pm est election night.
I went to bed around 11 pm on election night. I was very happy with the results. TDW had a link to the young Turks and I needed some daily sodium. They were saying things like, of course Biden lost, he didn’t campaign, and that Kamala wasn’t genuine. They were already talking about 2024. Woke up the next morning like WTF??
Why is our President so awesome? Do we deserve him!? FIGHT!
Yeah, but at 10:01 Biden got 16 billion votes....
Looser!!!!!!!
CNN probably
“This election comment is dispuuuuted”
Speaking real words Mr. President
Will twitter try and dispute this?
Notice this isn’t marked “””disputed””! It’s true!
Somebody send this to Brian Tuohy. Thefixisin.net
Bookies set odds so they get even money on both sides to guarantee a profit, not who they think is going to win; this just means more people were betting on trump to win and they needed to incentivize people to vote for biden by making it a higher pay out if he won.
He was -750 at one point
YUUGGEEE
Why can't Twitter DISPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTT!!!!!!??
It's funny because the book swung that night. I was watching Fox -- which we now know is absolute garbage -- but at the time, they made a huge point to say the bookies had overwhelmingly called it for Trump. Then when we woke up in the morning, all of a sudden everything flipped.
Notice Vegas hasn't paid out yet?
Bookies know their shit. Trump won.
I don't understand how betting on elections can possibly work when they're fixed and everyone knows it.
I tried to get shorter time span, but here is a graph of the election night betting odds swings.
https://prnt.sc/vzdrrg
Taken from https://electionbettingodds.com/President2020.html#chart
I trust mafia bookies more than I trust current dems
Aaarrrggghhhhahhhhhh!!!
Seriously how much more of this, really becoming stupid at this point, honestly. Do something or let "We The People" finish this.
God Bless America