Um...they aren't really using the fraud much in the case. It's mostly about their election rules being unconstitutional because they didn't go through their respective legislatures.
It's very difficult to prove that there was fraud, because obviously who committed the fraud made sure that it was not possible to prove it.
We have affidavits about it, but it's difficult to argue that they affect enough ballots to change the outcome.
Therefore they have built a case only on the basis of the proven facts.
It's very difficult to prove that there was fraud, because obviously who committed the fraud made sure that it was not possible to prove it.
not really.
just do an audit with signature verification. Also, assume fraud in any case where it turns out the ballots, or envelops have been destroyed or decoupled.
i thought they were supposed to keep batches of ballots together with batches of their envelopes. So individual ballots are decoupled, but you should be able to audit the envelopes for a specific batch and know how many votes in there are illegal, even if you can't know which specific ones.
I agree. Taking a fraud case to SCOTUS would probably not even get accepted. Taking a MAJOR constitutional state vs. state case to them, they almost have no choice.
SOME of the fraud is easy to prove, such as the dead people, the people who moved etc. What I've seen is they've pointed those out and the states are outright ignoring the fact that they even exist. To me, if any election official is shown someone ineligible to vote and still counts that vote, that election official should immediately be brought up on criminal charges by the state's AG. Including the SOS if they certify the results knowing there is fraud in them.
Crossing the rubicon is going to war, it only happens when the legal system fails and there’s no other options left besides physical action involving the US military or US militia.
Lincoln crossed the rubicon in 1861 with the war powers, martial law and military tribunals.
Yes. When Caesar "Crossed the Rubicon" with his army, there was no going back. He was all in, fully committed. He would either be victorious or else be executed as a traitor.
We ain't crossed shit. We're still dicking around in courts, as though any court in the land is going to step in the middle of the giant turd this election was and try to fix it.
Unless/until Trump activates the presidential emergency address system and tells the American people to arm up and march on Washington, we're still playing a civilized game.
The case by TEXAS is not that broad. It only mentions FRAUD as a CONSEQUENCE of the Defendant States violating the Constitution's clear and specific instructions that the State Legislatures determine the methods for conducting the elections.
Even with a victory, the State Legislatures need to act responsibly to prevent the Electoral College from giving the Election to Biden.
This is not the end nor is it even the beginning of the end.
We should pull a Trump whenever talking about this with liberals and add an extra couple states to the total. Then let them correct it that ONLY 18 states are suing because the swing states didn’t follow their own laws resulting in fraud.
Exactly.
We're still relying on a deeply corrupt system. We must not forget: there are many chances that the SCOTUS will rule against us
Trump will then have to decide between the Insurrection Act or ending in prison and America turning into a communist shithole.
I think crossing the Rubicon was setting flames to the US constitution and the votes of 76 million patriots.
There's no coming back from that.
Caesar brought his soldiers to the capital city. Biden/Harris brought their soldiers to the ballot box and the courts and congress.
This!
Also the capital city.
Yes, that was the modern day Pearl Harbor.
Um...they aren't really using the fraud much in the case. It's mostly about their election rules being unconstitutional because they didn't go through their respective legislatures.
That's what they should do.
It's very difficult to prove that there was fraud, because obviously who committed the fraud made sure that it was not possible to prove it. We have affidavits about it, but it's difficult to argue that they affect enough ballots to change the outcome.
Therefore they have built a case only on the basis of the proven facts.
I know you're not arguing this point, but this is complete bullshit.
Even just the sample of confirmed fraudulent vote found by Matt Braynard is enough to win every swing state.
not really. just do an audit with signature verification. Also, assume fraud in any case where it turns out the ballots, or envelops have been destroyed or decoupled.
Every ballot has been decoupled from the envelope. It's part of the legitimate process (unfortunately).
So you truly don't have evidence of fraud anymore.
You might have envelopes missing, but you don't know which ballots correspond to them.
i thought they were supposed to keep batches of ballots together with batches of their envelopes. So individual ballots are decoupled, but you should be able to audit the envelopes for a specific batch and know how many votes in there are illegal, even if you can't know which specific ones.
Yes, it's a case aimed at the originalists at SCOTUS.
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If this legal maneuver works, it will cement the Federalist Society as one of the most effective legal organizations in America’s history.
Enough ballots to make a difference has been shown I thought, in multiple states.
I agree. Taking a fraud case to SCOTUS would probably not even get accepted. Taking a MAJOR constitutional state vs. state case to them, they almost have no choice.
SOME of the fraud is easy to prove, such as the dead people, the people who moved etc. What I've seen is they've pointed those out and the states are outright ignoring the fact that they even exist. To me, if any election official is shown someone ineligible to vote and still counts that vote, that election official should immediately be brought up on criminal charges by the state's AG. Including the SOS if they certify the results knowing there is fraud in them.
Crossing the rubicon is going to war, it only happens when the legal system fails and there’s no other options left besides physical action involving the US military or US militia.
Lincoln crossed the rubicon in 1861 with the war powers, martial law and military tribunals.
They declared war on us on November 3rd.
Was Pearl Harbor "crossing the rubicon?" If so, then what China did on Nov 3 is the same.
More like what China did back in January.
Yes. When Caesar "Crossed the Rubicon" with his army, there was no going back. He was all in, fully committed. He would either be victorious or else be executed as a traitor.
We ain't crossed shit. We're still dicking around in courts, as though any court in the land is going to step in the middle of the giant turd this election was and try to fix it.
Unless/until Trump activates the presidential emergency address system and tells the American people to arm up and march on Washington, we're still playing a civilized game.
The case by TEXAS is not that broad. It only mentions FRAUD as a CONSEQUENCE of the Defendant States violating the Constitution's clear and specific instructions that the State Legislatures determine the methods for conducting the elections.
Even with a victory, the State Legislatures need to act responsibly to prevent the Electoral College from giving the Election to Biden.
This is not the end nor is it even the beginning of the end.
Exactly. I’ve been thinking a lot about this- are the legislators cucked? Eek
It's hard to tell because they haven't been consulted since the executives and courts ran roughshod over them.
We should pull a Trump whenever talking about this with liberals and add an extra couple states to the total. Then let them correct it that ONLY 18 states are suing because the swing states didn’t follow their own laws resulting in fraud.
This rubicon cannot be DEBOONKED no matter how hard they try.