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Kramercalled 27 points ago +36 / -9

Totally agree but do you guys ever have a moment where you can't negotiate the two sides? I try to explain my beliefs to a friend, get no where, and think - if someone told me my truths were false, would I be able to listen?

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this_mortal_coil 37 points ago +37 / -0

I'll go with Kant here. We can know truth a priori, as in 2 + 2 = 4, and always equals 4. These are things we can know through rationality alone and the use reason. The other way is through empirical experience and investigation.

I think our current issue is that postmodernist, Frankfurt School thought has invaded so many folks' minds that they are no longer able to say 2 + 2 = 4; men are women, women are men...it's a completely constructivist way of looking through the glass darkly. When basic reality's language is twisted, bent, or erased the ability reason from first principles becomes impossible.

Without the building blocks of grammar and logic, and eventually rhetoric, the possibility to make sense of empirical evidence becomes impossible. These people just becomes slaves to whatever information the approved masters tell them.

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the_essayist 8 points ago +8 / -0

You're evidently well-versed in modern philosophy, friend! I'm curious about the last sentence in your second paragraph - I'd love to hear your thoughts linking this notion with Wittgenstein's Tractacus and Investigations.

I ask because, while my familiarity with Greek and Roman philosophy is mediocre at best, I'm even less familiar with philosophical traditions from the 18th Century onward, and I'll take any opportunity to shrink the domain of my ignorance.