That's not the flag of the Confederacy, though. That's the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, the flag of General Robert E. Lee. And he fought specifically for Virginia, his country. He put his family, his friends, and his neighbors above the entire civil war; he was one of the greatest generals of his day, and if he were to join any side other than the side his state joined, he would have been called upon to invade his own home. And that's true treason.
It was a shitty situation for the entire nation, and there were heroes and villains on both sides. But it would be wrong to misremember this flag of one specific good man who made the best of his shit situation, and his army that also fought to protect their homes, as if it were the flag of the entire secessionist movement. In a SLIGHTLY different timeline, wherein Virginia sided with the Union because it had fewer democrat masters to push it to secession, Robert E. Lee, and this very flag, would be remembered as one of our greatest heroes who bravely fought to end slavery forever... despite him still only siding with his home state, to protect his family and neighbors.
It's like, I get it, Slavery Bad. That's a good thing to teach the kids. But know what else is bad? Generalization and falsehood. Maybe not as bad as SLAVERY, but this isn't an either-or situation.
If you tell the kids "Now kids, back in the day, everyone was doing Slavery, and almost nobody thought it was wrong. Then one day, someone suddenly realized "Wait a second, it would SUCK to be OWNED. This stuff must be wrong!" And that was good. And he went around convincing other people of the same thing. But before everyone agreed, a lot of complicated things happened and we wound up in a war where good people were on both sides, that's why we say it was "Brother against brother." Not just because some families were literally split, but because we were ALL BROTHERS before, and again after it. And eventually, the no-slavery side won," they're not gonna go "Nah, teacher, that's bullshit. Since it wasn't Angels against Demons, I'm gonna go and enslave kids out on the playground."
And Yes, the way our rights are defined, the Ultimate, Inalienable Rights reside with the INDIVIDUAL, and then their combined rights form the rights of their local governments, and those rights combine to form the rights of the states, and then the rights of the states combine to form the rights of the federal government. If the rights of the individual are curtailed, then the rights of the Local Governments do not EXIST, according to how we've structured our society, and thus therefore the rights of the states do not exist either.
So yeah, the Federal Government overreached to force the states to end slavery. But the State Governments overreached a SHIT TON MORE to deny the inalienable rights, endowed by GOD, according to our Constitution, to the individual. It's like if we had a building that was 100 stories tall, the foundation was crumbling, and the 50th floor was also crumbling. And the 50th floor is like "Hey, bring in heavy equipment to reinforce our floor! The 100th floor has no right to collapse on us!" No, dipshits, reinforce the FOUNDATION, or the WHOLE FUCKING THING will crumble. So we took some non-load-bearing walls out of the 50th floor, making it weaker, in a temporary measure to shore up the foundation to repair it. But then, after the construction on the foundation was finished, but things were still ugly and scarred, a Democrat Communist Actor from the 50th floor murdered the foreman, who had planned on then repairing, restoring, and improving the 50th floor and also removing some weight from the 100th, to make the entire building stronger, and more like the original blueprints had intended.
And that's where we are, with the true story of the Civil War. Democrats fucked EVERYTHING up, for EVERYONE, at EVERY STAGE OF THE MATTER.
That if a country purporting to be a federal union of states wages war to forcefully subjugate any states who wish to leave that union, then it's not a federation or a "union" at all?
I bet most of the commies are democrats that ran away from the south to new york chicago and sanfran/la. or are big government weakling losers that have little power otherwise.
"More than Union Commies," says the guy whose respected south made an economy out of specifically forcing an entire population to live in communes on their land, wherein they all worked as hard as they could, "shared" everything (through the generous oversight of Comrade Massa!) and were all given the same equal outcome.
The Confederacy was Small Scale Local Communism, nothing more. The only difference is that the Black Population never quite reached the point where they had open revolt.
Because the south decided to fire on Federal Soldiers, and then blame them... for getting shot at...
Lincoln's position is irrelevant. This is straight from South Carolinas declaration of succession:
We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.
The South believed they had a fundamental right to govern the institution of slavery how they saw fit. They viewed banning slavery as an overreach of government.
So yes, Lincoln wasn't a one man crusade against slavery from the beginning, he moreso abolished it as a geopolitical tactic. But that doesn't change the fact that the South was fighting for their right to keep slaves.
The problem with defining secession is "for" slavery is that it's complicated. I don't say that as an out, it just was. 7 state seceded initially after Lincoln's election, SC was just one of them. They specifically mention slavery as rationale. My state, FL, was third and didn't mention it at all. 4 more states joined after Ft. Sumter and Lincoln's call for troops. Their rationale was the US gov't shouldn't compel states to stay in the Union. One of my favorite quotes from this phase was Tennessean who voted first to stay in the Union, then after Sumter voted TN out because "Lincoln... made a rebel out of me." 4 more slave states opted to stay in the Union. Also, some of the leading rebels, Davis, Lee, were actually opposed to secession and only supported it once it had become fact. It's super complicated, much more than the single paragraph in most history books give it.
I think the better flag would be the star spangled banner. You know, because they are fighting for the Republic.
Unlike the democrats that are fighting for anarchy
Clean out the commies for certain but Keep the Stars and Stripes. The confederate flag will always be associated with the slave south. Whether we stick with the Republican brand we will always be the party of Lincoln. Let freedom reign for all.
Naw man, I understand the Republican distaste, cowardly group most of them. But Lincoln is greater than all that. Good ol Abe has his face on Mount Rushmore. Trumps gonna have his mug carved up there with him.
Yeah, no. Fuck that. And fuck whatever bait this trying to make us look like we're in any way associated with Democratic slave states from the first time around. Fuck all of that.
Robert E. Lee was a cunt. His ability as a military leader was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American men who refused to allow fellow Americans to exist only as slaves.
Your logic is that if you knew your adult daughter was a pedo who kept kidnapped children in her basement you'd go to her house and fight off the police, killing as many as you can, because she was your daughter.
You're a knob head.
Thank you! I can't stand the hero worship of Lee. He's a man so egotistical that he'd wanted to go down in a blaze of glory for the "honor of Virginia" and brought tens of thousands young men along for the ride.
The libs are the confederates who ignore the Constitution. They've been ignoring the law for decades and here we are. Ignoring immigration and drug laws have a consequences of training people to think laws are only as important as whoever want to enforce them.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
Dang I thought this was a good idea. The south was right about a lot of things and people let the PC narrative bullshit about slavery cloud their minds to the rest of it.
The number of disparaging comments about the Confederate flag is everything that's wrong with conservatism today. We should all be flying that flag, that is part of our history whether we like it or not.
Most conservatives today are a bunch of sissy cucks. Every time we attack the "far right", we play right into the lefts hands. Most conservatives are just a few years behind the Democrats in terms of worldview and progressivism. Conservatism is weak and lame.
Right wing is where it's at. To hell with polite conservatives. All of you respectable conservatives probably loved mitt Romney and George w bush. The far right got Trump into the White house.
That's not the flag of the Confederacy, though. That's the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, the flag of General Robert E. Lee. And he fought specifically for Virginia, his country. He put his family, his friends, and his neighbors above the entire civil war; he was one of the greatest generals of his day, and if he were to join any side other than the side his state joined, he would have been called upon to invade his own home. And that's true treason.
It was a shitty situation for the entire nation, and there were heroes and villains on both sides. But it would be wrong to misremember this flag of one specific good man who made the best of his shit situation, and his army that also fought to protect their homes, as if it were the flag of the entire secessionist movement. In a SLIGHTLY different timeline, wherein Virginia sided with the Union because it had fewer democrat masters to push it to secession, Robert E. Lee, and this very flag, would be remembered as one of our greatest heroes who bravely fought to end slavery forever... despite him still only siding with his home state, to protect his family and neighbors.
Hey, you can't shit all over revisionist public school history like that!!!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
It's like, I get it, Slavery Bad. That's a good thing to teach the kids. But know what else is bad? Generalization and falsehood. Maybe not as bad as SLAVERY, but this isn't an either-or situation.
If you tell the kids "Now kids, back in the day, everyone was doing Slavery, and almost nobody thought it was wrong. Then one day, someone suddenly realized "Wait a second, it would SUCK to be OWNED. This stuff must be wrong!" And that was good. And he went around convincing other people of the same thing. But before everyone agreed, a lot of complicated things happened and we wound up in a war where good people were on both sides, that's why we say it was "Brother against brother." Not just because some families were literally split, but because we were ALL BROTHERS before, and again after it. And eventually, the no-slavery side won," they're not gonna go "Nah, teacher, that's bullshit. Since it wasn't Angels against Demons, I'm gonna go and enslave kids out on the playground."
And Yes, the way our rights are defined, the Ultimate, Inalienable Rights reside with the INDIVIDUAL, and then their combined rights form the rights of their local governments, and those rights combine to form the rights of the states, and then the rights of the states combine to form the rights of the federal government. If the rights of the individual are curtailed, then the rights of the Local Governments do not EXIST, according to how we've structured our society, and thus therefore the rights of the states do not exist either.
So yeah, the Federal Government overreached to force the states to end slavery. But the State Governments overreached a SHIT TON MORE to deny the inalienable rights, endowed by GOD, according to our Constitution, to the individual. It's like if we had a building that was 100 stories tall, the foundation was crumbling, and the 50th floor was also crumbling. And the 50th floor is like "Hey, bring in heavy equipment to reinforce our floor! The 100th floor has no right to collapse on us!" No, dipshits, reinforce the FOUNDATION, or the WHOLE FUCKING THING will crumble. So we took some non-load-bearing walls out of the 50th floor, making it weaker, in a temporary measure to shore up the foundation to repair it. But then, after the construction on the foundation was finished, but things were still ugly and scarred, a Democrat Communist Actor from the 50th floor murdered the foreman, who had planned on then repairing, restoring, and improving the 50th floor and also removing some weight from the 100th, to make the entire building stronger, and more like the original blueprints had intended.
And that's where we are, with the true story of the Civil War. Democrats fucked EVERYTHING up, for EVERYONE, at EVERY STAGE OF THE MATTER.
Sure, but he's not using it because it's the "Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia" he's using it because it's seen as the flag of the Confederacy.
came here to say this and you beat me to it. I understand heritage, but at some point you have to accept what is true.
That if a country purporting to be a federal union of states wages war to forcefully subjugate any states who wish to leave that union, then it's not a federation or a "union" at all?
I respect the south much more than union commies
I bet most of the commies are democrats that ran away from the south to new york chicago and sanfran/la. or are big government weakling losers that have little power otherwise.
and NAZI's from Operation Paperclip
"More than Union Commies," says the guy whose respected south made an economy out of specifically forcing an entire population to live in communes on their land, wherein they all worked as hard as they could, "shared" everything (through the generous oversight of Comrade Massa!) and were all given the same equal outcome.
The Confederacy was Small Scale Local Communism, nothing more. The only difference is that the Black Population never quite reached the point where they had open revolt.
Because the south decided to fire on Federal Soldiers, and then blame them... for getting shot at...
Nah more like democrats who massively REE'd over their loss of cheap labor
Lincoln's position is irrelevant. This is straight from South Carolinas declaration of succession:
The South believed they had a fundamental right to govern the institution of slavery how they saw fit. They viewed banning slavery as an overreach of government.
So yes, Lincoln wasn't a one man crusade against slavery from the beginning, he moreso abolished it as a geopolitical tactic. But that doesn't change the fact that the South was fighting for their right to keep slaves.
The problem with defining secession is "for" slavery is that it's complicated. I don't say that as an out, it just was. 7 state seceded initially after Lincoln's election, SC was just one of them. They specifically mention slavery as rationale. My state, FL, was third and didn't mention it at all. 4 more states joined after Ft. Sumter and Lincoln's call for troops. Their rationale was the US gov't shouldn't compel states to stay in the Union. One of my favorite quotes from this phase was Tennessean who voted first to stay in the Union, then after Sumter voted TN out because "Lincoln... made a rebel out of me." 4 more slave states opted to stay in the Union. Also, some of the leading rebels, Davis, Lee, were actually opposed to secession and only supported it once it had become fact. It's super complicated, much more than the single paragraph in most history books give it.
The emancipation proclamation wasn't signed until a union victory appeared inevitable
I think the better flag would be the star spangled banner. You know, because they are fighting for the Republic. Unlike the democrats that are fighting for anarchy
Yeah no.
We won the Civil War.
We're the Republicans.
We're not getting the fucking Democrat Confederacy back to gather.
Guns for everyone. Welcome to the United States of Texas
Clean out the commies for certain but Keep the Stars and Stripes. The confederate flag will always be associated with the slave south. Whether we stick with the Republican brand we will always be the party of Lincoln. Let freedom reign for all.
I'm not a republifag.
Fuck the party of Lincoln and fuck Lincoln.
Spineless cuck party.
Naw man, I understand the Republican distaste, cowardly group most of them. But Lincoln is greater than all that. Good ol Abe has his face on Mount Rushmore. Trumps gonna have his mug carved up there with him.
GLOWIE BE GONE
Choose the side that won next time
Democrat flags btfo
Don't wave the flag of a bunch of slave loving democrat ass-hats at us!
Yeah, no. Fuck that. And fuck whatever bait this trying to make us look like we're in any way associated with Democratic slave states from the first time around. Fuck all of that.
Get out of here, democrat swamp creature, fuck that
BUILD BACK BETTER IS A COMMUNIST GLOBALIST GREAT RESET SLOGAN YOU DUMB FUCK WHORE!
Um nope 👎
We're the UNION. We hold the line. We don't divide and secede. This is our county and we fly Old Glory.
The Boys are Back in Town
Robert E. Lee was a cunt. His ability as a military leader was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American men who refused to allow fellow Americans to exist only as slaves. Your logic is that if you knew your adult daughter was a pedo who kept kidnapped children in her basement you'd go to her house and fight off the police, killing as many as you can, because she was your daughter. You're a knob head.
Thank you! I can't stand the hero worship of Lee. He's a man so egotistical that he'd wanted to go down in a blaze of glory for the "honor of Virginia" and brought tens of thousands young men along for the ride.
Enemy flag. Not us. We fly the Stars and Stripes not a Democrat grave
I can accept the flag for historical reasons, a neat design by itself.
but the CSA should stay in the ash heap of history
Fuck that flag, Trump and MAGA are all about the USA flag!
I'd personally like to congratulate Utah, Montana, North and South Dakota and Nebraska for joining The Union Of The Southern States!
We Will Kick Those Yankee's Ass Together!
The libs are the confederates who ignore the Constitution. They've been ignoring the law for decades and here we are. Ignoring immigration and drug laws have a consequences of training people to think laws are only as important as whoever want to enforce them.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
Wrong flag. That’s the Virginia battle flag.
The battle flag of a failed Democrat nation and the states highlighted have nothing to do with each other. Let the Confederacy bullshit go.
Looks like the Louisiana purchase has been has been renegotiated...
Dang I thought this was a good idea. The south was right about a lot of things and people let the PC narrative bullshit about slavery cloud their minds to the rest of it.
Avengers assemble!
Confederate flag accompanied by the UN's slogan? NO THANK YOU!
The number of disparaging comments about the Confederate flag is everything that's wrong with conservatism today. We should all be flying that flag, that is part of our history whether we like it or not.
Most conservatives today are a bunch of sissy cucks. Every time we attack the "far right", we play right into the lefts hands. Most conservatives are just a few years behind the Democrats in terms of worldview and progressivism. Conservatism is weak and lame.
Right wing is where it's at. To hell with polite conservatives. All of you respectable conservatives probably loved mitt Romney and George w bush. The far right got Trump into the White house.
I don't think this guy knows what a conservative is.
Lots of public school history retards in here that are parroting lefty talking points. "Confederates are racist!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Go dilate faggots.