How many participants were in the trials? At this point in time I'm thinking you have a higher chance of have a severe reaction to the vaccine, than you even have a chance of getting Covid, let alone dying from it.
4 people (all who got the vaccine) developed the symptom, and all had it go away after some time passed.
The weird thing with this is that not a single control group participant developed it, but that isn't necessarily unusual given the low rates of Bell's palsy in the first place (20-30 per 100,000, according to the UK equivalent of the FDA.) If that number is correct, 4 per 20,000 is right in line with the rate this happens in general.
No it isn't. First of all it is 1 in 8000 PER YEAR in the US. Over a 12 month period you would expect about about 3 people to get it. In this 3 month trial you would expect less than one person to get it.
The odds that none were from the control group is 1 in 16. the odds that 4 people got it is (just off the top of my head from a poisson distribution) probably near 1 in 8. So this is a 1 in 100 event.
According to this study 1-4 cases per 10,000 population per year is the normal range. These reported cases are on the high end of the normal range. This trial had approximately 2 cases per 10,000 and ran for 4 months. Its possible they might have ran into more cases if the trial ran longer, but we were trying to rush this vaccine so we can end these fucking shutdowns.
With your talk of statistics about the control group you're forgetting that one of the risk factors for palsy is upper respiratory infection, which this vaccine is simulating. I don't think the evidence supports the conclusion that this vaccine is more harmful than the virus, but I do think quarantining and lockdowns are more harmful than both. I don't want to take it personally but if it lets lefties get back to work and stops the fucking lockdowns we shouldn't be fighting against it.
I'm a skeptic. I checked your numbers out and you are correct. Here's the trial, total of ~44k people. And I double-checked your numbers on Bell's palsy, and yes, the occurrence in this trial looks like it's within the normal range.
Known causes of Bell's palsy? Once such cause is recent upper-respiratory infections. Based on that, and the fact that BP didn't occur in the control trial, it seems some people are responding to this as though they just caught an upper-respiratory infection, which isn't that surprising considering the vaccine is supposed to be simulating one. Without evidence to say otherwise I don't think we can conclude based on these 4 cases that this vaccine is increasing the likelihood of developing Bell's palsy compared to if you simply came down with a case of covid. It's possible these people were genetically pre-disposed. Point being: there isn't objective measurable proof that this vaccine is worse than the disease its treating. I for one support Trump in getting these out so we can get our country back to fucking normal.
That said, 4-in-20,000 is on the high end of the normal range. I still would prefer to just take my chances with the actual virus. I know of a few people that have had it and they were all totally asymptomatic (and one of them was 90 years old--no symptoms). I literally don't know of a single real person that's actually gotten sick from this virus. From a risk-reward standpoint, even if the risk from this vaccine is close to zero it doesn't make sense to take it for healthy people. The risk from the virus itself is *also *close to zero, but by not taking the vaccine you increase the likelihood that you will avoid both possibilities. If I needed this thing for work or something though, I'd probably take it.
How many participants were in the trials? At this point in time I'm thinking you have a higher chance of have a severe reaction to the vaccine, than you even have a chance of getting Covid, let alone dying from it.
21,720.
4 people (all who got the vaccine) developed the symptom, and all had it go away after some time passed.
The weird thing with this is that not a single control group participant developed it, but that isn't necessarily unusual given the low rates of Bell's palsy in the first place (20-30 per 100,000, according to the UK equivalent of the FDA.) If that number is correct, 4 per 20,000 is right in line with the rate this happens in general.
Hey, no big. Just a little bells palsy and a paralyzed face for an indeterminant amount of time.
No it isn't. First of all it is 1 in 8000 PER YEAR in the US. Over a 12 month period you would expect about about 3 people to get it. In this 3 month trial you would expect less than one person to get it.
The odds that none were from the control group is 1 in 16. the odds that 4 people got it is (just off the top of my head from a poisson distribution) probably near 1 in 8. So this is a 1 in 100 event.
According to this study 1-4 cases per 10,000 population per year is the normal range. These reported cases are on the high end of the normal range. This trial had approximately 2 cases per 10,000 and ran for 4 months. Its possible they might have ran into more cases if the trial ran longer, but we were trying to rush this vaccine so we can end these fucking shutdowns.
With your talk of statistics about the control group you're forgetting that one of the risk factors for palsy is upper respiratory infection, which this vaccine is simulating. I don't think the evidence supports the conclusion that this vaccine is more harmful than the virus, but I do think quarantining and lockdowns are more harmful than both. I don't want to take it personally but if it lets lefties get back to work and stops the fucking lockdowns we shouldn't be fighting against it.
I'm a skeptic. I checked your numbers out and you are correct. Here's the trial, total of ~44k people. And I double-checked your numbers on Bell's palsy, and yes, the occurrence in this trial looks like it's within the normal range.
Known causes of Bell's palsy? Once such cause is recent upper-respiratory infections. Based on that, and the fact that BP didn't occur in the control trial, it seems some people are responding to this as though they just caught an upper-respiratory infection, which isn't that surprising considering the vaccine is supposed to be simulating one. Without evidence to say otherwise I don't think we can conclude based on these 4 cases that this vaccine is increasing the likelihood of developing Bell's palsy compared to if you simply came down with a case of covid. It's possible these people were genetically pre-disposed. Point being: there isn't objective measurable proof that this vaccine is worse than the disease its treating. I for one support Trump in getting these out so we can get our country back to fucking normal.
That said, 4-in-20,000 is on the high end of the normal range. I still would prefer to just take my chances with the actual virus. I know of a few people that have had it and they were all totally asymptomatic (and one of them was 90 years old--no symptoms). I literally don't know of a single real person that's actually gotten sick from this virus. From a risk-reward standpoint, even if the risk from this vaccine is close to zero it doesn't make sense to take it for healthy people. The risk from the virus itself is *also *close to zero, but by not taking the vaccine you increase the likelihood that you will avoid both possibilities. If I needed this thing for work or something though, I'd probably take it.
Where did you get that number?