I don't understand why my friends think I'm the crazy one the constitution literally says if shit isn't going well for the citizens due to gross corruption its your duty to burn down Sodom our founder's shot people for 3% tax
More than my budget, unfortunately. And yes, the ATF regulates things the Federal Government has no authority to regulate, so they should just be gotten rid of.
This website may be for you (and I am definitely salivating over what is offered). Looks like howitzers start at about $4,500 and go up from there (without carriage). Howitzers are back on the menu!
Edit to add: they even have powder-to-range charts available for download, and instructions on firing and cleaning artillery! This site is amazing! One more reason for me to get out of the suburbs and move out to the farm!
Thomas Jefferson said we have the OBLIGATION, not just the right.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
The government is a massive entity on every level, growing every hour like a tumor. I don't think it's not the Constitution that's the problem, though. It's the people in power abusing us and taking away our rights.
What would getting rid of the govt or replacing it with a better one look like to you, or what would you change? Can we borrow HRC's reset button, dissolve all the entities and just start with the Constitution anew? :) Genuinely curious.
Honestly, the best way forward is for us to have as peaceful a split in this country as possible. The Communists can align with China and we can have our "free" states.
The Texas lawsuit yesterday was a HUGE step in the right direction. If the SCOTUS allows the fraud, then we can refuse to accept their judgment and we will end up following a path of massive civil disobediance, eventually leading to secession.
If that's the case, then we can "start from zero" and all is well. Our own "Great Reset".
If we do overturn the fraud, it gets a lot messier, of course. We need to crunch the budgets of Federal and State government budgets post haste, immediately after passing huge voter reforms and Voter ID to prevent this fraud happening again. Until we've cut the cancer of fraud out of our body politic, changes are pointless.
Trump is the savior of "our" country because I think he has the power to rid the GOP of the RINOs and move towards much smaller governments in the future. Whether that's in a "United" States of America or a "Free" States of America is up to others.
Why on earth do you think that monopolies and robber barons should have been enshrined in the Constitution? If "Pursuit of property" was a Right the country would have collapsed a long time ago.
What makes you think I am a libertarian, I just like property and think that pursuit of happiness is a bit wishy-washy. I think the libertarians can suck a dick as they have no moral foundation and a lot of their economic policies rely on a perfect set of rules.
Yes it does. That’s why American history needs to be taught in detail in school. It’s the greatest philosophically honest political statement ever written
Well it needs to happen because they're scumbags who serve themselves and are playing a political game among each other and not focussing on the people, which is probably a natural consequence of being in a position of government I suppose
I am suspecting it doesn’t have to be the whole governments. Let’s say Texas is following the constitution. But Wisconsin is not. I am pretty sure we could over throw Wisconsin and start a special election. I would be down to arrest our current criminal government in Wisconsin.
The constitution is America. The government only has power through the consent of the governed. The government can be overthrown and America is preserved.
It seems to me things are turning around ever so slowly to our benefit. It us a constant struggle but worth it. Sounds like you just want to wage war for the sake of it.
That's a tough one. Civilian oversight committee's?
I'm sure you could find a lot of ex-service people who would be happy to man the fort.
I mention military because they take oaths of allegiance to the flag & constitution and whilst they might have personal preferences regarding politics, it tends to be less extreme than most (although there are always exceptions). Plus they usual have the necessary security clearances to know stuff and be trusted not to blab it in public unless there is a specific need to in order to protect the constitution.
For example, there are rumours going around that DJT has already secured the backing of the military. He could only have done that if he had convinced them the consitution was under threat. Apparently some have even gone as far as to say they would never accept Biden as president.
How about that for a check & balance? Of course, with all this going on behind the scenes and with me being on the other side of the pond, information is limited and hard to validate reliably.
You basically replace it with a system with more transparency but effectively the same otherwise.
Shit take, the system failed because it's flawed, increasing transparency isn't going to do shit in the long run. I don't know what the ideal system would be, but doing more of the same is a terrible idea.
There are elements of the US system which work really well, it would be daft to throw out the good stuff just because it's susceptible to infiltration and corruption.
IMHO you should keep what works, work out what went wrong, and fix things so that the same things can't go wrong again.
Eliminating money from the equation should be the top goal though, lobbying is inherently corrupt - the same as it is here in the UK, it's just not as apparent as it is in the US.
That's a reasonable take, but I think that enough things went wrong to the point that the new system that replaces it would have to be different enough that it isn't considered the same system at all.
Your constitution is an excellent document and provides numerous provisions on how to get out of this situation - something which Trump and his team ,along with the opposition ,know all too well.
It just needs to be protected from subversion from within. Not sure your founding fathers anticipated the corruption of the main law enforcement agencies - DoJ and FBI and who knows who else. I don't include the CIA in that description because they were corrupt from their inception - they're assassins and agent provocateurs.
That is exactly why the second amendment is there .
^ this guy gets it
I don't understand why my friends think I'm the crazy one the constitution literally says if shit isn't going well for the citizens due to gross corruption its your duty to burn down Sodom our founder's shot people for 3% tax
don't worry, God burnt down Sodom. Just wait for the sequel.
It will be biblical
you think the Exodus was epic? we are witnessing the Final Redemption of the WORLD unfolding.
They are not aware of this issue yet but they will know fear and thy name is the lord
DEPORT SPAM ACCOUNT
And cannons. Don't forget, the Founding Fathers were big on letting citizens hunt with both field and naval artillery.
Soooo... what YOU'RE saying is that we need to get rid of the ATF too!!!!
I'm fucking in... how much is the tank?
More than my budget, unfortunately. And yes, the ATF regulates things the Federal Government has no authority to regulate, so they should just be gotten rid of.
Ok... how about just a plain old howitzer...
This website may be for you (and I am definitely salivating over what is offered). Looks like howitzers start at about $4,500 and go up from there (without carriage). Howitzers are back on the menu!
http://steencannons.com/cannons/
Edit to add: they even have powder-to-range charts available for download, and instructions on firing and cleaning artillery! This site is amazing! One more reason for me to get out of the suburbs and move out to the farm!
Thomas Jefferson said we have the OBLIGATION, not just the right.
People today would say Thomas Jefferson was a 'glowie.' Change my mind.
The FBI would consider him to be the greatest threat to the homeland.
Because they're traitors. Change my mind.
We don't need a new Constitution, we just need our elected representatives to start adhering to it. That seems to be the tough part.
I agree, but the government doesn't follow the Constitution, so the government has to go.
The government is a massive entity on every level, growing every hour like a tumor. I don't think it's not the Constitution that's the problem, though. It's the people in power abusing us and taking away our rights.
What would getting rid of the govt or replacing it with a better one look like to you, or what would you change? Can we borrow HRC's reset button, dissolve all the entities and just start with the Constitution anew? :) Genuinely curious.
Honestly, the best way forward is for us to have as peaceful a split in this country as possible. The Communists can align with China and we can have our "free" states.
The Texas lawsuit yesterday was a HUGE step in the right direction. If the SCOTUS allows the fraud, then we can refuse to accept their judgment and we will end up following a path of massive civil disobediance, eventually leading to secession.
If that's the case, then we can "start from zero" and all is well. Our own "Great Reset".
If we do overturn the fraud, it gets a lot messier, of course. We need to crunch the budgets of Federal and State government budgets post haste, immediately after passing huge voter reforms and Voter ID to prevent this fraud happening again. Until we've cut the cancer of fraud out of our body politic, changes are pointless.
Trump is the savior of "our" country because I think he has the power to rid the GOP of the RINOs and move towards much smaller governments in the future. Whether that's in a "United" States of America or a "Free" States of America is up to others.
I agree. But I suspect that they think that all they need are the cities and the "rednecks" can all fuck off to the country where we can all stupor.
They have no concept of what it takes to sustain life - where the food comes from, where the water comes from, etc.
All reasonable. I like your style.
Likewise, my friend :)
I still disagree about pursuit of happiness, should've been property, but kind of hard to say, we are going to defend property during a war.
I think the pursuit of happiness is all encompassing for tangible and intangible things we cherish, it's not just property we want to defend
Why on earth do you think that monopolies and robber barons should have been enshrined in the Constitution? If "Pursuit of property" was a Right the country would have collapsed a long time ago.
I mean technically you are your property, so enjoy! :)
What makes you think I am a libertarian, I just like property and think that pursuit of happiness is a bit wishy-washy. I think the libertarians can suck a dick as they have no moral foundation and a lot of their economic policies rely on a perfect set of rules.
Thats your pursuit of happiness my dude I respect it
If property had been insisted upon at the time, we would not exist as a nation because the southern states would never have joined in.
I agree.
Yes it does. That’s why American history needs to be taught in detail in school. It’s the greatest philosophically honest political statement ever written
Hey this guy got pre bush civics class. Wierd when they started fucking us they stopped teaching us the information that would just make us revolt
i think it says we're obligated to
When in the course of human events...
Well it needs to happen because they're scumbags who serve themselves and are playing a political game among each other and not focussing on the people, which is probably a natural consequence of being in a position of government I suppose
Quash the operators of the corrupted government, not the system itself. Have to use the same installed o/s to run the country (after a few patches).
Its an obligation actually, not just the right. We are obligated to remove a govt that does not uphold the tenets of the constitution
The DNC/CCP DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT. ONLY the people do - when necessary.
It's less a right and more a duty
The Declaration of Independence says that God gave us the inalienable right.
I am suspecting it doesn’t have to be the whole governments. Let’s say Texas is following the constitution. But Wisconsin is not. I am pretty sure we could over throw Wisconsin and start a special election. I would be down to arrest our current criminal government in Wisconsin.
We're not overthrowing the government. We're ensuring the constitutionality of the government.
I will grant though, that the Constitution does say a tyrannical government should be overthrown.
We have the duty to overthrow it at each opportunity.
The constitution is America. The government only has power through the consent of the governed. The government can be overthrown and America is preserved.
Always have, always will.
And yet Lincoln went to war because the Southern states wanted to secede what does that say
A more perfect Union.
Now we just need the bat signal.
Just like the Chinese desire.
Overhtrow it for what? People say this but then what?
You teach the self-serving arseholes that they can't get away with treating the people like shit.
The next lot should learn that lesson or pay the price that has been posted on the window.
That is not really an answer to my question.
It seems to me things are turning around ever so slowly to our benefit. It us a constant struggle but worth it. Sounds like you just want to wage war for the sake of it.
Um, no? We were talking about a situation where the people of the US rose up and tore down a corrupt government system and you asked 'then what?'.
You basically replace it with a system with more transparency but effectively the same otherwise.
The problem isn't the system (yet) it's the people who have subverted it.
OK I got that, but how do you change the existing system for more transparency?
That us a great idea, just wondering how.
That's a tough one. Civilian oversight committee's?
I'm sure you could find a lot of ex-service people who would be happy to man the fort.
I mention military because they take oaths of allegiance to the flag & constitution and whilst they might have personal preferences regarding politics, it tends to be less extreme than most (although there are always exceptions). Plus they usual have the necessary security clearances to know stuff and be trusted not to blab it in public unless there is a specific need to in order to protect the constitution.
For example, there are rumours going around that DJT has already secured the backing of the military. He could only have done that if he had convinced them the consitution was under threat. Apparently some have even gone as far as to say they would never accept Biden as president.
How about that for a check & balance? Of course, with all this going on behind the scenes and with me being on the other side of the pond, information is limited and hard to validate reliably.
There are elements of the US system which work really well, it would be daft to throw out the good stuff just because it's susceptible to infiltration and corruption.
IMHO you should keep what works, work out what went wrong, and fix things so that the same things can't go wrong again.
Eliminating money from the equation should be the top goal though, lobbying is inherently corrupt - the same as it is here in the UK, it's just not as apparent as it is in the US.
That's a reasonable take, but I think that enough things went wrong to the point that the new system that replaces it would have to be different enough that it isn't considered the same system at all.
Your constitution is an excellent document and provides numerous provisions on how to get out of this situation - something which Trump and his team ,along with the opposition ,know all too well.
It just needs to be protected from subversion from within. Not sure your founding fathers anticipated the corruption of the main law enforcement agencies - DoJ and FBI and who knows who else. I don't include the CIA in that description because they were corrupt from their inception - they're assassins and agent provocateurs.