Not a fatal flaw (The Church Militant still exists), but it is definitely a flaw. It has been known since the beginning, though. Jesus himself set Peter, the man who denied Jesus three times, as the first Pope. Francis is definitely the worst one we've seen in our lives, and, as far as I can tell, is an open heretic, but just as the people of the United States are clawing our country back, inch by inch, we will take back our Church.
I try to tell critics of the Catholic Church that even though the current pope is horrible, the church is still good - kinda like when evil Obama was president, America was still fundamentally good. Change is one election away.
Exactly. I have a lot of respect for priests, but they’re still human. It may be the “one holy Catholic and apostolic church” but it is led by humans who are just as vulnerable to temptation as the rest of us.
I hear that alot, but the Catholic Church considers the pope to be its Holy father, ordained by God to lead and speak for you. Jesus told Peter that he was the rock to build His Church on, but never said Peter was the only rock, or only true Church. Jesus endlessly taught to follow Him, His teachings, not men. In fact, the modern Church building, & hierarchy thing resembles the sinagog model more than the early Church that met house to house, sharing all. They didn't even have bibles, just stories & letters, but with the one central message. Catholics are no better or worse than any denomination, because we are the Church when we claim Jesus as Lord.
What kind of "religion" murders millions for daring to read God's Word for themselves?
Fun fact: The old Latin Bible, the Vulgate, was originally translated from Greek back when Latin was a common language, so that ordinary Christians could read God's Word for themselves. The translator even got sainted for doing something that people would get burned for centuries later.
In other words, it wasn't always that way. But power corrupts.
Yes, which is why the church shouldn't be a power tool and no one person should be able to impose fake doctrine when it goes blatantly against the Bible. The Bible should always be the source, not some old geezer claiming to be Christ's representative on earth while simultaneously groping choir boys
That is a protestant take on it (i.e. the translator being a rebel trying to fight the pope to let people read the bible) but it is not historically accurate. St. Jerome, as he is known in the West, was a priest working as the secretary to Pope Damasus I when he revised the then existing Latin bible. It was previously based on primarily Greek texts but St. Jerome included some translations based on Hebrew texts being used by converted Jewish Christians in Antioch. Using the Hebrew as a source was an unpopular opinion at the time and it is unclear if he was aware that the Hebrew texts the Antiochians were using were derived from a newer Hebrew translation (dating from after the fall of Jerusalem) of the older Greek Septuagint (dating from 200-300 BC).
I never said Jerome was a rebel. Shit, I even pointed out he was sainted for his efforts. Just pointing out how much things changed from the days of Jerome to the days of Wycliffe roughly a thousand years later.
"What kind of religion thinks that you can FORCE conversion with the blade of a sword?" Honestly, just about every religion that has gained enough political power to execute people has been guilty of this at one time or another: Hinduism, Buddhism, Mayan religion, etc. Do you count communism as religion (cults of personality)? Forced conversions on pain of death tend to have more to do with using religion as a tool to assert political control over others than a felt need to share "love your neighbor" or any other doctrine.
It's what happens when the dumbasses forego one of Jesus's(Yeshua's) teachings "The Kingdom of God is within." They try to force this whole, go to church, build a community, follow a 'leader', the Pope, but if their Pope goes corrupt, their whole system goes to shit. It's why Jesus was right to begin with - find your peace within. Find your answers within the God within yourself. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit Within. Whatevs~
The Chinese are doing this everywhere in the world honestly. Even having children with natives to get around other countries’ citizen-only land ownership rules. The only place I don’t hear too much about their presence is in the Middle East.
Many may be good people, and for that I'm sorry, but the CCP has too much control over it's citizens and we cannot trust them here
Exactly. Those 'good people' need to head back to China where they can hopefully enact change from within. It's the only way their problem will ever be solved; having the people do it. It'll never be fixed by sending their best people here.
Even chinese born in America are at the merci of ccp. The dark army will kill their relatives or their children if they don't fall in line, even if they have never stepped foot In china.
We actually have to be racist here, because the ccp believes they own any human of chinese ancestry.
If they’re born in America legally, they’re American not Chinese. We will not tolerate losing our fellow Americans to the CCP due to fears. That’s the same shit the Democrats played with COVID.
I said in another comment. We can only trust american born chinese IF we can eradicate the ccps dark army that kidnaps and blackmails and murders people like seth rich from operating here
as long as the dark army is operating in America no Chinese can be trusted even if American born.
If our citizenship and immigrant standards and background checks were what they should be, there would be no question of whether even temporary visa holders loved America more than the place of their birth, let alone immigrants and naturalized citizens.
I personally think there should be some sort of written evidence of someone’s family history. Just as doctors collect information on someone’s medical history (including that of their family members), I think a similar thing could be done for political/religious affiliations and history. For example, at my late grandfather’s funeral, a booklet was given out to all the attendees containing his biography, which clearly stated that he joined the Chinese anti-communist, nationalist army as a young man and retreated to Taiwan with them. The latter part of it detailed his conversion to Christianity and his faithful service to the church in his later years, and then the last pages of the booklet contained the lyrics of his favorite hymns. I think if there was written evidence that someone had a family background like that, they would be nearly guaranteed not to be communists themselves.
If they are vetted thoroughly for either no CCP connections or active animosity toward the CCP, coupled with being made aware of guaranteed severe punishment for espionage. This is all of course pie-in-the-sky thinking from someone who thinks it's possible for the US to have an efficient legal apparatus that isn't actively trying to destory it from within
Send them to Taiwan and tell them that they can wait in the Real China while we process their requests. If they're OK with that, then they're probably not CCP. If they protest, they probably are CCP.
Make the process a difficult and expensive struggle so they have to prove it. Also, require they give up any other citizenship before being naturalized.
The amount of leeway that China has been given over the past 30+ years would have never occurred during the Cold War with the Soviets. We need to start treating China the same.
I'd say even more strictly than we treated Russia, as advances in technology over the last 20+ years mean that foreign countries have even more capacity to spy on us than before.
I want to crush China so brutally under crippling sanctions that they beg for our soy beans. Make an example of them that will be remembered for generations to come.
There should be a unified global response to sanctions. No people in or out (though their own citizens can go back but not come out again if they do), absolutely no tourism. No non-essential trade in or out (we don't need their plastic crap), with sky-high tariffs on essential trade to encourage divestment back to the West. All China-owned infrastructure and assets seized, with no further investments allowed. Massive tariffs placed on any country that continues to act like China isn't persona non grata.
It's the failure of liberalism/neoconservativism. Both schools of thought taught us that China would eventually become more like the rest of the world if they just helped them become a stakeholder in it. In fact, they made the rest of the world more like them.
Is it any wonder why we are so inundated with forced diversity in our entertainment? Why every show must have a gay or transgender character or relationship? Black washing historical films and stories.
Why do they want to eliminate masculinity from a populace? Why push for abortion? Why promote things that eliminate families from forming or marriages to continue? Easy divorce, easy access to drugs and welfare, free porn, useless college degrees, insurmountable debt.
This is about weakening the country. That has been the goal all along.
Absolutely, everyone should cut the cable cord and abandon television! It's putrid propaganda to undermine and pussify America, and basically every nation
Agree with many China should not be operating in this country PERIOD. They are a greater threat than any other nation out there. This game of playing nice with them has done nothing but embolden them and make them more assholish.
No one does this shit, not even Russia. Get the Chinese influence out of the US and stop doing business with them.
Why the fuck would a country allow its number one rival and purveyor of ideology directly opposed to its own to operate inside its borders. Anyone who doesn’t understand the threat is a moron or a traitor or both and either way should be shot in the head
I want the irrefutable proof shown in black and white smoking gun to the dumb public that the China virus was the pretext to the mail in vote fraud to steal this election after Russia Russia Russia and Impeachment failed.
I just realized something not long ago. Communism is a tool of war, the way a bomb is a tool of war. The deep state used it to destabilize lots of other countries. And now it's being used on America. If your country is becoming more communist, it's a signal that you are under attack.
Cell carrier pede here: I'm raising an eyebrow at this news. If I'm not reading too much into this, it sounds like they plan to terminate roaming agreements between US and China.
This feels like it's a stepping stone to something else.
China is an enemy combatant and an existential threat to the survival of our nation. Expel the Chinese embassy, expel all Chinese citizens, repudiate our debt, decouple our economies, seize all Chinese assets in this country and arrest and try for treason all American citizens who have conspired with China to destroy the United States of America.
Before typing a post with the tag line "its happening" do you all stop to consider how retarded it is to continue that shit since it been happening for 4 fucking years with no real happenings?
Stopping a totalitarian ethnostate from causing social and economic breakdown in the US is white supremacy.
We must welcome those who seek to do us harm or we aren't christians and equity diversity or something.
The fucking crazy part is the Pope is part of 'them'.
Pope is like, "Hey flock, I'm your shepard but like just hang out in the dangerous forest unprotected while I go offer some of you to the wolves"
Worst Pope of my lifetime.
I fatal flaw of Catholicism is that the Pope is supposed to be the most pious man but his position is elected by other men.
Not a fatal flaw (The Church Militant still exists), but it is definitely a flaw. It has been known since the beginning, though. Jesus himself set Peter, the man who denied Jesus three times, as the first Pope. Francis is definitely the worst one we've seen in our lives, and, as far as I can tell, is an open heretic, but just as the people of the United States are clawing our country back, inch by inch, we will take back our Church.
This. So very much this.
I try to tell critics of the Catholic Church that even though the current pope is horrible, the church is still good - kinda like when evil Obama was president, America was still fundamentally good. Change is one election away.
Exactly. I have a lot of respect for priests, but they’re still human. It may be the “one holy Catholic and apostolic church” but it is led by humans who are just as vulnerable to temptation as the rest of us.
I hear that alot, but the Catholic Church considers the pope to be its Holy father, ordained by God to lead and speak for you. Jesus told Peter that he was the rock to build His Church on, but never said Peter was the only rock, or only true Church. Jesus endlessly taught to follow Him, His teachings, not men. In fact, the modern Church building, & hierarchy thing resembles the sinagog model more than the early Church that met house to house, sharing all. They didn't even have bibles, just stories & letters, but with the one central message. Catholics are no better or worse than any denomination, because we are the Church when we claim Jesus as Lord.
Isn't this supposed to be the final pope according to a saint's prophecy?
There have been some really bad Popes in history
Yeah, like the current one.
For sure. Many of the prior Popes were terrible people.
deport fag
I don't think the pope is supposed to be the most pious man. I'm sure there's many pious people who wouldn't have made good popes.
Fun fact: The old Latin Bible, the Vulgate, was originally translated from Greek back when Latin was a common language, so that ordinary Christians could read God's Word for themselves. The translator even got sainted for doing something that people would get burned for centuries later.
In other words, it wasn't always that way. But power corrupts.
Being burned alive because you wanted to read something for yourself. Sounds very CNNish to me.
Yes, which is why the church shouldn't be a power tool and no one person should be able to impose fake doctrine when it goes blatantly against the Bible. The Bible should always be the source, not some old geezer claiming to be Christ's representative on earth while simultaneously groping choir boys
That is a protestant take on it (i.e. the translator being a rebel trying to fight the pope to let people read the bible) but it is not historically accurate. St. Jerome, as he is known in the West, was a priest working as the secretary to Pope Damasus I when he revised the then existing Latin bible. It was previously based on primarily Greek texts but St. Jerome included some translations based on Hebrew texts being used by converted Jewish Christians in Antioch. Using the Hebrew as a source was an unpopular opinion at the time and it is unclear if he was aware that the Hebrew texts the Antiochians were using were derived from a newer Hebrew translation (dating from after the fall of Jerusalem) of the older Greek Septuagint (dating from 200-300 BC).
I never said Jerome was a rebel. Shit, I even pointed out he was sainted for his efforts. Just pointing out how much things changed from the days of Jerome to the days of Wycliffe roughly a thousand years later.
Well, Sikhs fought Muslims. Buddhists in recent times have been attacking Muslims.
and Protestantism, Orthodoxy, Judaism, Buddhism, etc....
"What kind of religion thinks that you can FORCE conversion with the blade of a sword?" Honestly, just about every religion that has gained enough political power to execute people has been guilty of this at one time or another: Hinduism, Buddhism, Mayan religion, etc. Do you count communism as religion (cults of personality)? Forced conversions on pain of death tend to have more to do with using religion as a tool to assert political control over others than a felt need to share "love your neighbor" or any other doctrine.
Where there is smoke there is fire. He is dirty as fuck!
It's what happens when the dumbasses forego one of Jesus's(Yeshua's) teachings "The Kingdom of God is within." They try to force this whole, go to church, build a community, follow a 'leader', the Pope, but if their Pope goes corrupt, their whole system goes to shit. It's why Jesus was right to begin with - find your peace within. Find your answers within the God within yourself. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit Within. Whatevs~
I ordered some Holy Spirit online, do Not insert it into my father or my son? Asking from Chyna
Yeah we need a Reformation! Oh, wait a minute.
Just as bad. It seems like a vast majority of the faith has fallen to degeneracy and weakness.
A time for war; a time for peace.
How come Americans can't own land in any other country unless they are citizens but any non citizen can own land in America.
Why does my gut tell me this used to be the case for the US as well until sometime in the last 6 decades?
You've been paying attention?
BuT wE aRe ThE mELtiNg PoT oF tHe WoRld!
Because criminals changed the rules for their benefit. This country has been raped for far too long.
THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT AMERICA’S BUTTHOLE HAS BEEN RAPED IS TOO DAMN HIGH!!!
The Chinese are doing this everywhere in the world honestly. Even having children with natives to get around other countries’ citizen-only land ownership rules. The only place I don’t hear too much about their presence is in the Middle East.
What your talking about is micro-imperialism.
They know real estate is how you build real wealth.
Real estate market in the south is insane right now
Because the west practices ethno-masochism. Or rather, our ruling class does.
Well the ruling class is very do as I say not as I do. They just push dysfunctional behavior for everyone else.
Exactly. Those 'good people' need to head back to China where they can hopefully enact change from within. It's the only way their problem will ever be solved; having the people do it. It'll never be fixed by sending their best people here.
Even chinese born in America are at the merci of ccp. The dark army will kill their relatives or their children if they don't fall in line, even if they have never stepped foot In china.
We actually have to be racist here, because the ccp believes they own any human of chinese ancestry.
If they’re born in America legally, they’re American not Chinese. We will not tolerate losing our fellow Americans to the CCP due to fears. That’s the same shit the Democrats played with COVID.
I said in another comment. We can only trust american born chinese IF we can eradicate the ccps dark army that kidnaps and blackmails and murders people like seth rich from operating here
as long as the dark army is operating in America no Chinese can be trusted even if American born.
Both parents must be American citizens too.
American citizens no
Foreign born sure
If our citizenship and immigrant standards and background checks were what they should be, there would be no question of whether even temporary visa holders loved America more than the place of their birth, let alone immigrants and naturalized citizens.
How do you make sure someone loves America? It's possible to lie.
I personally think there should be some sort of written evidence of someone’s family history. Just as doctors collect information on someone’s medical history (including that of their family members), I think a similar thing could be done for political/religious affiliations and history. For example, at my late grandfather’s funeral, a booklet was given out to all the attendees containing his biography, which clearly stated that he joined the Chinese anti-communist, nationalist army as a young man and retreated to Taiwan with them. The latter part of it detailed his conversion to Christianity and his faithful service to the church in his later years, and then the last pages of the booklet contained the lyrics of his favorite hymns. I think if there was written evidence that someone had a family background like that, they would be nearly guaranteed not to be communists themselves.
If they are vetted thoroughly for either no CCP connections or active animosity toward the CCP, coupled with being made aware of guaranteed severe punishment for espionage. This is all of course pie-in-the-sky thinking from someone who thinks it's possible for the US to have an efficient legal apparatus that isn't actively trying to destory it from within
Problem is, reasonable proposals like yours are how it starts in the first place.
Then it slowly degenerates, as we have seen with the history of our own country.
Which is why I'm no longer willing to compromise. They already have a huge country. They can fix it.
There might be a hilarious third option though.
Send them to Taiwan and tell them that they can wait in the Real China while we process their requests. If they're OK with that, then they're probably not CCP. If they protest, they probably are CCP.
I like the way you think.
Unfortunately that may be the pragmatic reality, but I still hold out hope for a foreign pede for domestic soy exchange program
Do they post on TDW? Check, they love America.
Except for the ones shilling laser sights
Or fake silver coins with Trump's head on them. Coins are free! Only pay shipping! Ya right.
Make the process a difficult and expensive struggle so they have to prove it. Also, require they give up any other citizenship before being naturalized.
Not being a Democrat is a good start..
The ccp believes they own all humans of chinese ancestry, and will use the dark army to blackmail any chinese to fall in line with the ccps desires.
So yes, even americans of chinese descent, unless we can prevent the dark army from operating in US borders.
Guilty by association. Oh well.
The amount of leeway that China has been given over the past 30+ years would have never occurred during the Cold War with the Soviets. We need to start treating China the same.
I'd say even more strictly than we treated Russia, as advances in technology over the last 20+ years mean that foreign countries have even more capacity to spy on us than before.
I want to crush China so brutally under crippling sanctions that they beg for our soy beans. Make an example of them that will be remembered for generations to come.
There should be a unified global response to sanctions. No people in or out (though their own citizens can go back but not come out again if they do), absolutely no tourism. No non-essential trade in or out (we don't need their plastic crap), with sky-high tariffs on essential trade to encourage divestment back to the West. All China-owned infrastructure and assets seized, with no further investments allowed. Massive tariffs placed on any country that continues to act like China isn't persona non grata.
The Great Wall(ing in) of China.
The Soviets were ideological and military competitors of ours. Worthy of the caution and respect we gave them.
China is a parasite.
It's the failure of liberalism/neoconservativism. Both schools of thought taught us that China would eventually become more like the rest of the world if they just helped them become a stakeholder in it. In fact, they made the rest of the world more like them.
Is it any wonder why we are so inundated with forced diversity in our entertainment? Why every show must have a gay or transgender character or relationship? Black washing historical films and stories.
Why do they want to eliminate masculinity from a populace? Why push for abortion? Why promote things that eliminate families from forming or marriages to continue? Easy divorce, easy access to drugs and welfare, free porn, useless college degrees, insurmountable debt.
This is about weakening the country. That has been the goal all along.
Absolutely, everyone should cut the cable cord and abandon television! It's putrid propaganda to undermine and pussify America, and basically every nation
Please at least include the date if you're gonna screenshot. Link would be awesome too.
Saw this above..
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-launches-proceeding-revoking-china-telecoms-authorizations
Roaming agreements. US users in China can make calls over their cell networks and vice versa. It seems the FCC is putting a stop to that.
What
We are living in strange times.
Also in - executive order to classify FaceBook, YouTube and Twitter are subsidies of China Telecom.
BOOM!
Agree with many China should not be operating in this country PERIOD. They are a greater threat than any other nation out there. This game of playing nice with them has done nothing but embolden them and make them more assholish.
No one does this shit, not even Russia. Get the Chinese influence out of the US and stop doing business with them.
.win should be the replacement to reddit, but sadly the shills infiltrate and spew their propaganda here too. Over the target, fuck commies
Sounds good
I would dare say the election is tied to this.
Big things are happening behind the scenes.
Can’t believe they have to have a discussion.
Why the fuck would a country allow its number one rival and purveyor of ideology directly opposed to its own to operate inside its borders. Anyone who doesn’t understand the threat is a moron or a traitor or both and either way should be shot in the head
Preludes to war. Prepare yourselves.
I'm beginning to think that China is about to get BUTT-FUCKED.
without any lube.
I want the irrefutable proof shown in black and white smoking gun to the dumb public that the China virus was the pretext to the mail in vote fraud to steal this election after Russia Russia Russia and Impeachment failed.
Horee Shit!
How is this up for debate? Pull the plug.
So much news today, holy shit. It feels like we are approaching the crescendo.
NBA must be nervous
Fuck joggerball
I just realized something not long ago. Communism is a tool of war, the way a bomb is a tool of war. The deep state used it to destabilize lots of other countries. And now it's being used on America. If your country is becoming more communist, it's a signal that you are under attack.
Bye Bye Commies
You're already at war with China. It's just that you're fighting back now.
Oh-oh-oh, the tide is turning (Roger Waters is actually probably not happy with this)
Cell carrier pede here: I'm raising an eyebrow at this news. If I'm not reading too much into this, it sounds like they plan to terminate roaming agreements between US and China.
This feels like it's a stepping stone to something else.
They're talking about CNN.
I was just going to say this. But I think a number of networks are owned or partially owned by China - they will need to take down MSM for peace.
NOT HAPPENING.
It's the "start" of proceedings looking into the possibility of something actually happening.
half of downtown LA buildings are owned by the chinese.
small hat Feinstein has sold out America.
Is it happening? Is it?
China is an enemy combatant and an existential threat to the survival of our nation. Expel the Chinese embassy, expel all Chinese citizens, repudiate our debt, decouple our economies, seize all Chinese assets in this country and arrest and try for treason all American citizens who have conspired with China to destroy the United States of America.
Cut them off.
boycotteverythingChinese
Happening Status: Hap
They should also include all the fake news like CNN etc.
Now we isolate the CCPA, its damn near there
BLOCK CHINA COMPLETELY.
NO MORE "MADE IN CHINA" PRODUCTS EITHER.
WE CAN GET OUR CHEAP CRAP FROM COUNTRIES THAT ACTUALLY LIKE US!
Like Kekistan
All chicoms need to be expelled!
I just pictured all the CNN anchors powering down like the battle droids at the end of The Phantom Menace.
Any other source besides disclose.tv?
Before typing a post with the tag line "its happening" do you all stop to consider how retarded it is to continue that shit since it been happening for 4 fucking years with no real happenings?
"But..but Trump's admin isn't supposed to do anything and wait around for Biden. Not allowed! No fair....reeeeeeeeeee"
I don't use ZTE anymore, but does this mean no more ZTE and Huawei?
They were both in hot water earlier.