Not a fatal flaw (The Church Militant still exists), but it is definitely a flaw. It has been known since the beginning, though. Jesus himself set Peter, the man who denied Jesus three times, as the first Pope. Francis is definitely the worst one we've seen in our lives, and, as far as I can tell, is an open heretic, but just as the people of the United States are clawing our country back, inch by inch, we will take back our Church.
I try to tell critics of the Catholic Church that even though the current pope is horrible, the church is still good - kinda like when evil Obama was president, America was still fundamentally good. Change is one election away.
Exactly. I have a lot of respect for priests, but they’re still human. It may be the “one holy Catholic and apostolic church” but it is led by humans who are just as vulnerable to temptation as the rest of us.
I hear that alot, but the Catholic Church considers the pope to be its Holy father, ordained by God to lead and speak for you. Jesus told Peter that he was the rock to build His Church on, but never said Peter was the only rock, or only true Church. Jesus endlessly taught to follow Him, His teachings, not men. In fact, the modern Church building, & hierarchy thing resembles the sinagog model more than the early Church that met house to house, sharing all. They didn't even have bibles, just stories & letters, but with the one central message. Catholics are no better or worse than any denomination, because we are the Church when we claim Jesus as Lord.
What kind of "religion" murders millions for daring to read God's Word for themselves?
Fun fact: The old Latin Bible, the Vulgate, was originally translated from Greek back when Latin was a common language, so that ordinary Christians could read God's Word for themselves. The translator even got sainted for doing something that people would get burned for centuries later.
In other words, it wasn't always that way. But power corrupts.
Yes, which is why the church shouldn't be a power tool and no one person should be able to impose fake doctrine when it goes blatantly against the Bible. The Bible should always be the source, not some old geezer claiming to be Christ's representative on earth while simultaneously groping choir boys
That is a protestant take on it (i.e. the translator being a rebel trying to fight the pope to let people read the bible) but it is not historically accurate. St. Jerome, as he is known in the West, was a priest working as the secretary to Pope Damasus I when he revised the then existing Latin bible. It was previously based on primarily Greek texts but St. Jerome included some translations based on Hebrew texts being used by converted Jewish Christians in Antioch. Using the Hebrew as a source was an unpopular opinion at the time and it is unclear if he was aware that the Hebrew texts the Antiochians were using were derived from a newer Hebrew translation (dating from after the fall of Jerusalem) of the older Greek Septuagint (dating from 200-300 BC).
I never said Jerome was a rebel. Shit, I even pointed out he was sainted for his efforts. Just pointing out how much things changed from the days of Jerome to the days of Wycliffe roughly a thousand years later.
"What kind of religion thinks that you can FORCE conversion with the blade of a sword?" Honestly, just about every religion that has gained enough political power to execute people has been guilty of this at one time or another: Hinduism, Buddhism, Mayan religion, etc. Do you count communism as religion (cults of personality)? Forced conversions on pain of death tend to have more to do with using religion as a tool to assert political control over others than a felt need to share "love your neighbor" or any other doctrine.
It's what happens when the dumbasses forego one of Jesus's(Yeshua's) teachings "The Kingdom of God is within." They try to force this whole, go to church, build a community, follow a 'leader', the Pope, but if their Pope goes corrupt, their whole system goes to shit. It's why Jesus was right to begin with - find your peace within. Find your answers within the God within yourself. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit Within. Whatevs~
The fucking crazy part is the Pope is part of 'them'.
Pope is like, "Hey flock, I'm your shepard but like just hang out in the dangerous forest unprotected while I go offer some of you to the wolves"
Worst Pope of my lifetime.
I fatal flaw of Catholicism is that the Pope is supposed to be the most pious man but his position is elected by other men.
Not a fatal flaw (The Church Militant still exists), but it is definitely a flaw. It has been known since the beginning, though. Jesus himself set Peter, the man who denied Jesus three times, as the first Pope. Francis is definitely the worst one we've seen in our lives, and, as far as I can tell, is an open heretic, but just as the people of the United States are clawing our country back, inch by inch, we will take back our Church.
This. So very much this.
I try to tell critics of the Catholic Church that even though the current pope is horrible, the church is still good - kinda like when evil Obama was president, America was still fundamentally good. Change is one election away.
Exactly. I have a lot of respect for priests, but they’re still human. It may be the “one holy Catholic and apostolic church” but it is led by humans who are just as vulnerable to temptation as the rest of us.
I hear that alot, but the Catholic Church considers the pope to be its Holy father, ordained by God to lead and speak for you. Jesus told Peter that he was the rock to build His Church on, but never said Peter was the only rock, or only true Church. Jesus endlessly taught to follow Him, His teachings, not men. In fact, the modern Church building, & hierarchy thing resembles the sinagog model more than the early Church that met house to house, sharing all. They didn't even have bibles, just stories & letters, but with the one central message. Catholics are no better or worse than any denomination, because we are the Church when we claim Jesus as Lord.
Isn't this supposed to be the final pope according to a saint's prophecy?
There have been some really bad Popes in history
Yeah, like the current one.
For sure. Many of the prior Popes were terrible people.
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I don't think the pope is supposed to be the most pious man. I'm sure there's many pious people who wouldn't have made good popes.
Fun fact: The old Latin Bible, the Vulgate, was originally translated from Greek back when Latin was a common language, so that ordinary Christians could read God's Word for themselves. The translator even got sainted for doing something that people would get burned for centuries later.
In other words, it wasn't always that way. But power corrupts.
Being burned alive because you wanted to read something for yourself. Sounds very CNNish to me.
Yes, which is why the church shouldn't be a power tool and no one person should be able to impose fake doctrine when it goes blatantly against the Bible. The Bible should always be the source, not some old geezer claiming to be Christ's representative on earth while simultaneously groping choir boys
That is a protestant take on it (i.e. the translator being a rebel trying to fight the pope to let people read the bible) but it is not historically accurate. St. Jerome, as he is known in the West, was a priest working as the secretary to Pope Damasus I when he revised the then existing Latin bible. It was previously based on primarily Greek texts but St. Jerome included some translations based on Hebrew texts being used by converted Jewish Christians in Antioch. Using the Hebrew as a source was an unpopular opinion at the time and it is unclear if he was aware that the Hebrew texts the Antiochians were using were derived from a newer Hebrew translation (dating from after the fall of Jerusalem) of the older Greek Septuagint (dating from 200-300 BC).
I never said Jerome was a rebel. Shit, I even pointed out he was sainted for his efforts. Just pointing out how much things changed from the days of Jerome to the days of Wycliffe roughly a thousand years later.
Well, Sikhs fought Muslims. Buddhists in recent times have been attacking Muslims.
and Protestantism, Orthodoxy, Judaism, Buddhism, etc....
"What kind of religion thinks that you can FORCE conversion with the blade of a sword?" Honestly, just about every religion that has gained enough political power to execute people has been guilty of this at one time or another: Hinduism, Buddhism, Mayan religion, etc. Do you count communism as religion (cults of personality)? Forced conversions on pain of death tend to have more to do with using religion as a tool to assert political control over others than a felt need to share "love your neighbor" or any other doctrine.
Where there is smoke there is fire. He is dirty as fuck!
It's what happens when the dumbasses forego one of Jesus's(Yeshua's) teachings "The Kingdom of God is within." They try to force this whole, go to church, build a community, follow a 'leader', the Pope, but if their Pope goes corrupt, their whole system goes to shit. It's why Jesus was right to begin with - find your peace within. Find your answers within the God within yourself. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit Within. Whatevs~
I ordered some Holy Spirit online, do Not insert it into my father or my son? Asking from Chyna
Yeah we need a Reformation! Oh, wait a minute.
Just as bad. It seems like a vast majority of the faith has fallen to degeneracy and weakness.