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Fellow Canadian here - as much as I despise Trudeau, I don't think there was any funny business with the last election. I think it had more to do with us idiot Conservatives 'electing' that absolute spineless cuck of a career politician, Scheer. Between that, Quebec doing what they do best (going full lefty nationalist), giving them 22 FUCKING SEATS with 1.3m votes, and...well, Singh...there was no way any party could get a mandate.
Man, how close were we with Bernier. That dipshit Scheer lost bigly to Mad Max
on the first ballot, and ended up winning by ~700 votes. If you want to talk about rigged, I'd start there :/
In the 2018 Ontario municipal elections, over 150 municipalities in the Canadian province of Ontario conducted their elections primarily online, with physical polling stations either abandoned entirely or limited to only a few central polling stations for voters who could not or did not want to vote online.[27] On election day, however, 51 of those municipalities, all of which had selected Dominion Voting Systems as their online voting contractor, were affected by a technical failure
The Dairy lobby rigged it for Scheer. They bought up memberships and flooded the vote. The Conservatives helped them.
I still think there was election fuckery going on last year, though. Long-time conservatives lost their seats in southern Ontario. I doubt Trudeau would leave an election to chance if he could help it - it was probably a test run for next time. There are articles in the Globe and Mail and on the CBC website about previous elections in New Brunswick and Ontario that used Dominion voting machines and had "glitches" - older articles from 2014 and 2018.
Scheer getting elected would have sucked just as bad as Trudeau in the long run.
Scheer was only elected as PCP leader over Berbier due to a last minute data dump...in the Dominion voting program that was used for the leadership debate.
Interestingly enough, for every Canadian federal election that I've participated (since the late 1980s), the people who gave me my ballot wrote down the ballot number beside my name.
It is when there's a Xerox and a shredder at the post office. My kid said it pretty good. Finger print on ballot. You cheat, lose a finger. That would make people pretty honest.
Oh you have much to learn about the Canadian electoral process my American friend.
Spez: I'm not kidding or trying to be patronizing our system is very very different from yours and has different issues then simply electronic voting, however I don't think either of us have the time for a deep dive discussion on that right now.
Wow, good work! I thought I was making progress with my leftist-ex as there were a couple of occasions where he seemed responsive to contrary viewpoints, but then he freaked out and ended up doubling down. Now he seems way beyond help.
I've had similar experiences with Canadians quite often, of course it's not meant to be a broad stroke but it does feel like there's some heavy anti-american and far left ideologies being taught in Canada as propraganda (not just as left indoctrination but to hate the USA).The cultures differences seem quite large. I personally have a lot of experience with New Brunswick and Newfoundland. Regions like that would be very red in America but in Canada they go far left blue. A close friend has a child in the Miramichi highschool system and it sounds like the entire grade is transgender / gender swapping and they are having multiple high school age suicides per year which seems very odd for such a small blue collar town. It would be unheard of I think outside of urban areas here in the states.
In those areas I've encountered people quite often who will state they feel Capitalism is a horrible thing and Communism is far better, weird arguments like that verbatim. A huge portion of the Canadian population has severe TDS as well. I'm not exaggerating either about the communism ideology, It's common beliefs in those areas somehow, and it's not just young people, age 30s and 40s, boomers even military families there. It also seems to be suffering from a single mother epidemic, and they pull in around 25k+ a year up to child age 18 from the benefits as far as I can tell.
The Maritime Provinces are really not in a great shape, economically speaking. From my experience, people from the East Coast are pretty reliant on government aid and big federal investments (like the shipyards, or coal power plants for jobs). It's brilliant, really - the easiest way to secure votes is to impoverish the people and then offer them government support.
Yea I'm no a Canada expert, just spent a lot of time there and agree with that. Those areas do seem to be in a strong recession for a while now. A notable thing about the Canadian far left is that they seem very Canadian patriotic and love their government where as USA far left hates their country.
I don't know why USA leftists don't just move to Canada to be honest, and let the USA be an experiment in freedom and capitalism. The immigration seems reasonable/possible and it's pushing the policies and ideologies that the left loves.
Maybe I can explain. For context, Canada in general is far more economically and industrially underdeveloped relative to the USA. For reference, there are more Californians than there are Canadians - that one State has a population larger than this entire country.
There are 4 major political parties here in Canada: the Conservatives, the Liberals, the NDP, and the Bloc.
For some more context: the Liberal Party has basically been the de-facto incumbent party. Traditionally, the Conservatives have been associated with 'royalists', leading to an underappreciated Anglo-French tension. This tension is espoused in the Bloc Quebecois. I can't even begin to describe Bloc leanings, but they're like left-wing nationalists who want a sovereign Quebec. The Libs have (traditionally) been associated with 'federalists', and 'helped' bridge the Anglo-French gap.
The NDP (far-left party) emerged from the Prairies around the 50s, and were basically trade unionists and farmers who were tired of the 'Establishment'. They've never won federally, but every time they 'win' a provincial election, they turn the province into an absolute shitshow and get run out of office. Also, NDP supporters tend to vote Liberal in federal elections to block out Conservatives.
So with those pieces of information, I think we can start to make sense of your observations. Atlantic Canada (think fishermen) and Prairie Canada (think farmers) - good, hardworking people - tend to vote Liberal/NDP because those parties have historically supported them.
Unfortunately, since Trudeau, the country's gone to hell, and I’m doing my utmost to get out. It's literally the Democratic Nightmare up here: open up the floodgates to refugees and immigrants, and their extended families (thank God we have ""free"" healthcare! when everyone gets healthcare, no one gets healthcare!), sell off real estate and all of our natural resources to Chinese corporations, take away any opportunity to buy a gun, crank up taxes to ~60% (not that it matters, our currency isn’t worth much to begin with– $1 CAD = 80 cents USD, so you’re taking a 20% haircut right off the bat)…but, as I’m in higher education, by far the worst part is the indoctrination in the schools. They’re teaching kids to hate this country from elementary school – that our entire history is reduced to ‘Canadians committing genocide against indigenous peoples’. We have to start every lecture on campus with a ‘land acknowledgement’ – that the land we’re on was unjustly taken from the tribe du jour. This is what gets me the most – my ancestors have been in Quebec (plot twist) since the 16th fucking century. I have equal parts ‘native’ and Quebecois blood running through my veins - and you’re telling me that I have no right to live in these lands? Because this land was ‘stolen’ from a tribe, who (ironically enough) stole it from the previous tribe after slaughtering them all. Get the fuck out of my country. That’s justice, not an atrocity.
Sorry for the essay – I’m sure you can relate, it’s something that strikes a nerve with me. As to your second point, I created my account immediately after watching President Trump’s Georgia rally; my first post was something along the lines of HOW CAN I BECOME AMERICAN. I can’t tell you what I’d give to trade places with some enlightened Democrat from Houston. Maybe one day…
Inspiring story, we're definitely taught here that the whole world hates us and fancy elites have no problem throwing the USA under the bus to win social points in their circles. I felt completely alienated here by just a tsunami of self loathing and unpatriotism until the maga movement in 2016.
My world view tends to break all politics down into an American idea of left vs right, I suppose Freedom vs authoritarian in terms 1A 2A and censorship or America vs China in terms of globalism. I often miss the nuance and this was very interesting to read. I suppose Trudeau is the catalyst but is brought to power by communities historic voting patterns. Perhaps similar to union democrats in New England although those are flipping to Trump I think now where as Canada's left equivalent seems to be digging in deeper. Maybe also it's similar to baby boomers voting dem by connecting it to their glory days in the late 60s.
I know exactly what you mean from my time in Canada how indigenous people are used as the crux of all arguments the same as how African American's are used here. I know how frustrating that can be. With hope America can pull out of this nose dive and lift up Canada with it. You're more of a patriot than a large chunk of American's so I'd approve that move if I could. Very interesting information, thanks for sharing!
Our situation is very similar too yours except further gone. We have a corrupt leftists media and are controlled by a few crazy progressives. Most people aren't pro communism besides millennials and even then there are still plenty of patriots.
I'm sorry someone said that to you, fren. That wasn't nice of them. I used to live in NYC and the only based people I met in that city were Jewish people. There are lots of based Jewish people there.
Ah, well. I get it. I was raised as a Unitarian Universalist- if you want to meet people who buy into leftist propaganda, yikes. Look to the Unitarians. (They ALSO conveniently forget that communists often start with academics/intellectuals- almost all Unitarians are academics/intellectuals).
Now that I think about it, it's amazing that Albertans haven't pushed harder for secession. The Feds (and Quebecois) are all too happy to take Alberta's budgetary surplus via transfer & equalization payments, then have the audacity to impose a carbon tax and block any attempts to build pipelines/expand the energy infrastructure. Meanwhile, you want to talk about taxation without representation? Montreal, Toronto/GTA, and Vancouver effectively vote for the rest of Canada, Albertans have virtually no say in the matter.
Bernier approached this the wrong way, in my opinion. He could have been their Trump but he was under the false premise that the personality was the party.
He doesn't even need to cheat. Most Canadians are so cucked they vote him in regardless of his faggotry and black face and sexism scandals, corruption etc etc
thats cause the alberta conservatives hate the quebec conservatives, so everytime they field some alberta dude , they will never get the full support; and vice versa when quebec fielded max bernier no support from alberta, while ontario pays for the whole shitshow ....in Ontario we stuck with this retard doug ford who's my neighbour, i voted for his brother Rob, doug's a dimwit tho ...
Lefties need to operate in the dark. Transparency is kryptonite to evil. Darkness hates the light. That's why the left is always against voter ID and examining the voter rolls.
Yeah because it wasnt rigged enough last time.
Fellow Canadian here - as much as I despise Trudeau, I don't think there was any funny business with the last election. I think it had more to do with us idiot Conservatives 'electing' that absolute spineless cuck of a career politician, Scheer. Between that, Quebec doing what they do best (going full lefty nationalist), giving them 22 FUCKING SEATS with 1.3m votes, and...well, Singh...there was no way any party could get a mandate.
Man, how close were we with Bernier. That dipshit Scheer lost bigly to Mad Max on the first ballot, and ended up winning by ~700 votes. If you want to talk about rigged, I'd start there :/
Honestly! I don't even know what to call it. National Socialism? Oh...wait...
I agree with you. Too many idiot liberals in our big cities. I voted for Bernier, couldn’t vote for Scheer.
They're so benevolent - the useful idiots from Van, GTA, and Montreal vote so we peons don't have to! No, it's not mob rule, it's democracy!
Isn’t democracy mob rule?
They are more socialist than nationalist.
Dude. Dominion tabulates the leadership election of the Liberals, NDP, Conservatives, and Green Party. You're choosing from a fixed menu.
did the Conservative party use dominion in the race between sheer and bernier?
Holy shit, just got this straight from wikipedia
Also note this 2014 article about how the Liberals won New Brunswick in a landslide - Dominion was used:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/what-caused-the-delays-in-new-brunswicks-election/article20740140/
-_-
Ok we need to label Dominion a threat to democracy everywhere.
Oh my God....honestly, that didn't even cross my mind
edit: ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha fuck me, where have I seen this kind of graph before?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/2017_Conservative_Leadership_Results_by_Round.png)
Yes, and Bernier had a massive lead until a last minute data dump.
The Dairy lobby rigged it for Scheer. They bought up memberships and flooded the vote. The Conservatives helped them.
I still think there was election fuckery going on last year, though. Long-time conservatives lost their seats in southern Ontario. I doubt Trudeau would leave an election to chance if he could help it - it was probably a test run for next time. There are articles in the Globe and Mail and on the CBC website about previous elections in New Brunswick and Ontario that used Dominion voting machines and had "glitches" - older articles from 2014 and 2018.
Scheer getting elected would have sucked just as bad as Trudeau in the long run.
Scheer was only elected as PCP leader over Berbier due to a last minute data dump...in the Dominion voting program that was used for the leadership debate.
just to clarify - paper ballots for federal elections. Provincial and municipal can use machines, and Dominion Voting Systems are all over Ontario.
and New Brunswick uses Dominion
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/what-caused-the-delays-in-new-brunswicks-election/article20740140/
Interestingly enough, for every Canadian federal election that I've participated (since the late 1980s), the people who gave me my ballot wrote down the ballot number beside my name.
I always thought that was strange.
It is when there's a Xerox and a shredder at the post office. My kid said it pretty good. Finger print on ballot. You cheat, lose a finger. That would make people pretty honest.
Oh you have much to learn about the Canadian electoral process my American friend. Spez: I'm not kidding or trying to be patronizing our system is very very different from yours and has different issues then simply electronic voting, however I don't think either of us have the time for a deep dive discussion on that right now.
did you kindly inform them that Trump's son in law is jewish?
How do we even live in the same world as these fucking idiots?
You know the devil is real when you meet these assholes.
Wow, you didn't just dispense a red pill, you rammed it all the way up! Hahaha!
Fingers crossed it gives them pause for thought and they start to see the media's lies for what they are.
Wow, good work! I thought I was making progress with my leftist-ex as there were a couple of occasions where he seemed responsive to contrary viewpoints, but then he freaked out and ended up doubling down. Now he seems way beyond help.
Very, as it clearly causes them a great deal of angst and stress. People deserve better than the brainwashing BS the media pumps out.
I know 1 American, let me proceed to generalize.
I've had similar experiences with Canadians quite often, of course it's not meant to be a broad stroke but it does feel like there's some heavy anti-american and far left ideologies being taught in Canada as propraganda (not just as left indoctrination but to hate the USA).The cultures differences seem quite large. I personally have a lot of experience with New Brunswick and Newfoundland. Regions like that would be very red in America but in Canada they go far left blue. A close friend has a child in the Miramichi highschool system and it sounds like the entire grade is transgender / gender swapping and they are having multiple high school age suicides per year which seems very odd for such a small blue collar town. It would be unheard of I think outside of urban areas here in the states.
In those areas I've encountered people quite often who will state they feel Capitalism is a horrible thing and Communism is far better, weird arguments like that verbatim. A huge portion of the Canadian population has severe TDS as well. I'm not exaggerating either about the communism ideology, It's common beliefs in those areas somehow, and it's not just young people, age 30s and 40s, boomers even military families there. It also seems to be suffering from a single mother epidemic, and they pull in around 25k+ a year up to child age 18 from the benefits as far as I can tell.
The Maritime Provinces are really not in a great shape, economically speaking. From my experience, people from the East Coast are pretty reliant on government aid and big federal investments (like the shipyards, or coal power plants for jobs). It's brilliant, really - the easiest way to secure votes is to impoverish the people and then offer them government support.
Yea I'm no a Canada expert, just spent a lot of time there and agree with that. Those areas do seem to be in a strong recession for a while now. A notable thing about the Canadian far left is that they seem very Canadian patriotic and love their government where as USA far left hates their country.
I don't know why USA leftists don't just move to Canada to be honest, and let the USA be an experiment in freedom and capitalism. The immigration seems reasonable/possible and it's pushing the policies and ideologies that the left loves.
Maybe I can explain. For context, Canada in general is far more economically and industrially underdeveloped relative to the USA. For reference, there are more Californians than there are Canadians - that one State has a population larger than this entire country.
There are 4 major political parties here in Canada: the Conservatives, the Liberals, the NDP, and the Bloc.
For some more context: the Liberal Party has basically been the de-facto incumbent party. Traditionally, the Conservatives have been associated with 'royalists', leading to an underappreciated Anglo-French tension. This tension is espoused in the Bloc Quebecois. I can't even begin to describe Bloc leanings, but they're like left-wing nationalists who want a sovereign Quebec. The Libs have (traditionally) been associated with 'federalists', and 'helped' bridge the Anglo-French gap.
The NDP (far-left party) emerged from the Prairies around the 50s, and were basically trade unionists and farmers who were tired of the 'Establishment'. They've never won federally, but every time they 'win' a provincial election, they turn the province into an absolute shitshow and get run out of office. Also, NDP supporters tend to vote Liberal in federal elections to block out Conservatives.
So with those pieces of information, I think we can start to make sense of your observations. Atlantic Canada (think fishermen) and Prairie Canada (think farmers) - good, hardworking people - tend to vote Liberal/NDP because those parties have historically supported them.
Unfortunately, since Trudeau, the country's gone to hell, and I’m doing my utmost to get out. It's literally the Democratic Nightmare up here: open up the floodgates to refugees and immigrants, and their extended families (thank God we have ""free"" healthcare! when everyone gets healthcare, no one gets healthcare!), sell off real estate and all of our natural resources to Chinese corporations, take away any opportunity to buy a gun, crank up taxes to ~60% (not that it matters, our currency isn’t worth much to begin with– $1 CAD = 80 cents USD, so you’re taking a 20% haircut right off the bat)…but, as I’m in higher education, by far the worst part is the indoctrination in the schools. They’re teaching kids to hate this country from elementary school – that our entire history is reduced to ‘Canadians committing genocide against indigenous peoples’. We have to start every lecture on campus with a ‘land acknowledgement’ – that the land we’re on was unjustly taken from the tribe du jour. This is what gets me the most – my ancestors have been in Quebec (plot twist) since the 16th fucking century. I have equal parts ‘native’ and Quebecois blood running through my veins - and you’re telling me that I have no right to live in these lands? Because this land was ‘stolen’ from a tribe, who (ironically enough) stole it from the previous tribe after slaughtering them all. Get the fuck out of my country. That’s justice, not an atrocity.
Sorry for the essay – I’m sure you can relate, it’s something that strikes a nerve with me. As to your second point, I created my account immediately after watching President Trump’s Georgia rally; my first post was something along the lines of HOW CAN I BECOME AMERICAN. I can’t tell you what I’d give to trade places with some enlightened Democrat from Houston. Maybe one day…
Inspiring story, we're definitely taught here that the whole world hates us and fancy elites have no problem throwing the USA under the bus to win social points in their circles. I felt completely alienated here by just a tsunami of self loathing and unpatriotism until the maga movement in 2016.
My world view tends to break all politics down into an American idea of left vs right, I suppose Freedom vs authoritarian in terms 1A 2A and censorship or America vs China in terms of globalism. I often miss the nuance and this was very interesting to read. I suppose Trudeau is the catalyst but is brought to power by communities historic voting patterns. Perhaps similar to union democrats in New England although those are flipping to Trump I think now where as Canada's left equivalent seems to be digging in deeper. Maybe also it's similar to baby boomers voting dem by connecting it to their glory days in the late 60s.
I know exactly what you mean from my time in Canada how indigenous people are used as the crux of all arguments the same as how African American's are used here. I know how frustrating that can be. With hope America can pull out of this nose dive and lift up Canada with it. You're more of a patriot than a large chunk of American's so I'd approve that move if I could. Very interesting information, thanks for sharing!
That Marxist shit it is mostly in the big cities as far as I can tell from The southwestern tip of Ontario.
I'm a sensitive Canadian. We hate communism. This is disturbing to all of us. Hong Kong, Austin's, USA, Canada. We all oppose this nwo.
MSM cucks are indeed here too.
Our situation is very similar too yours except further gone. We have a corrupt leftists media and are controlled by a few crazy progressives. Most people aren't pro communism besides millennials and even then there are still plenty of patriots.
🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 we need a DJT lite to make Canada great again.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
As a Jewish person who is originally from NY and supports Trump: F*ck that guy and love your username.
I'm sorry someone said that to you, fren. That wasn't nice of them. I used to live in NYC and the only based people I met in that city were Jewish people. There are lots of based Jewish people there.
Ah, well. I get it. I was raised as a Unitarian Universalist- if you want to meet people who buy into leftist propaganda, yikes. Look to the Unitarians. (They ALSO conveniently forget that communists often start with academics/intellectuals- almost all Unitarians are academics/intellectuals).
No one is going on the train. No one. We've got her back.
This why we need an Orthodox revival in American Jews.
Orthodox Jews are based, but the secular Jews worship marxism.
We have the best Jews from New York don't we folks?
There is nothing more PERMANENT than a "temporary" government program
Remember those "temporary refugees" in Europe? They settled in nicely.
Never mind we still paying GST. It's been like a 100 year long emergency tax
We called this when the "patriot act" was passed and more recently when they daid they needed "two weeks to flatten the curve".
"We just need you to turn in your guns for a day okay?"
Remember the TSA?
Useless program that can't even justify its own existence.
Dude, you should be credited with this quote when someone Googles your name.
I would be honored but ALL credit goes to Milton Friedman. His quote, just slightly modified by me!
It worked so well here. What could possibly go wrong?
Alberta should succeed from Canada
Alberta...the Texas of Canada.
I made this comment a few days ago:
Now that I think about it, it's amazing that Albertans haven't pushed harder for secession. The Feds (and Quebecois) are all too happy to take Alberta's budgetary surplus via transfer & equalization payments, then have the audacity to impose a carbon tax and block any attempts to build pipelines/expand the energy infrastructure. Meanwhile, you want to talk about taxation without representation? Montreal, Toronto/GTA, and Vancouver effectively vote for the rest of Canada, Albertans have virtually no say in the matter.
Alberta and patriots from every province should liberate Canada. USA please help out when your available.
Truly insane that any country would even consider suggesting VBM after watching the shit storm here.
Like, dude...READ THE ROOM
Great the globalists are rigging the Canadian election next
No, just slapping more chains down on it.
At least more and more Canadians are waking up. But will it be enough?
The problem is there is no viable alternative. The "conservatives" are just.. ugh...sad. Apathy is the real reason Trudeau won a second term
The people’s part of Canada has a great platform. But they have been vilified by the media.
Bernier approached this the wrong way, in my opinion. He could have been their Trump but he was under the false premise that the personality was the party.
Man, no matter how bad things get here. My heart always breaks for Canadian pedes!
and your border is locked down and you can't fly anywhere it seems all international flights are always on standby... damn you are fuct!
China Trudeau is asshoe!
Nothing is more permanent than a temporary government program
https://www.rebelnews.com/liberals_propose_temporary_voting_changes_due_to_pandemic
He doesn't even need to cheat. Most Canadians are so cucked they vote him in regardless of his faggotry and black face and sexism scandals, corruption etc etc
Canada has crossed over some time ago. Maybe since Universal Healthcare.... or Trudeau.
Dude’s looking more and more like his real dad.
Uh oh... This lily-soy ass must be scared. Gotta up the cheat-ability factor from last time.
DON’T FALL FOR THIS SHIT AGAIN
There is no such thing as temporary power with liberals.
well Canada, let's see how you guys do with your shit, no sarcasm, because you know EXACTLY what is going on now.
Is he fucking kidding? The USA is on the verge of civil war just hoping the powder keg doesn't go off... Is he really fucking kidding?
thats cause the alberta conservatives hate the quebec conservatives, so everytime they field some alberta dude , they will never get the full support; and vice versa when quebec fielded max bernier no support from alberta, while ontario pays for the whole shitshow ....in Ontario we stuck with this retard doug ford who's my neighbour, i voted for his brother Rob, doug's a dimwit tho ...
What powers have governments ever taken "temporarily"?
Watch and learn eyebrowboy.
Lefties need to operate in the dark. Transparency is kryptonite to evil. Darkness hates the light. That's why the left is always against voter ID and examining the voter rolls.
Soorry, We've learned nothing eh.
Because it worked so well in the US. Only 10+ million illegal ballots got mixed in with legal votes.