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Same with all of big tech. They have become so big and so integral in society that they're public utilities now. You can't have a public utility company shut down your power because they don't like your political views. Same should apply to the biggest pipelines for speech
Shouldn't even matter at this point. If someone wanted to sue them, a judge should approve of it. They have acted numerous times as publishers, so face the consequences.
I'm talking for anyone and everyone who wants to sue. Even in prior years when they were acting as a publisher. A good judge would see the platform status and ignore it just as they ignored their role. This 48 state suit may or may not result in much, but also kinda seperate to the point.
Doesn't section 230 actually only give them protection to remove illegal content, and that's it? It doesn't allow them to censor truth or even opinions, right?
I thought the problem wasn't section 230, it was that section 230 doesn't get applied correctly. So if someone sued twitter/facebook/google, and they hid behind section 230, they should lose if the law was applied correctly?
Remember, Facebook and Twitter are trying to get around Section 230 by hiring "independent fact-checkers." It's those services, and not Facebook and Twitter, in theory, that will get the blame if anything goes down.
But again, section 230 provides facebook no legal protection against 'fact-based' censorship. Section 230 only allows tech companies to remove illegal content.
Political content is not illegal, therefore section 230 provides twitter/facebook no protection.
Their argument is they're not publishers when they censor political content. Instead, they're relying on third party fact checkers to help them eliminate misinformation from their platforms.
Apparently, their argument is we need to sue the fact checkers and not the social media giants for injury due to defamation. There's a reason those fact checker organizations such as PolitiFact and FactCheck.org are set up as non-profits and likely have general liability insurance to protect against defamation lawsuits. They also typically are fact checking people in the public eye, who have a very hard time suing for defamation as is, and an even harder time when suing a non-profit protected by insurance company lawyers.
That's irrelevant to my point. Read my original comment again. You've gone off track. My point is that Section 230 only provides:
Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material
Section 230 does not allow 'providers of an interactive computer service' to block political opinions they disagree with. It only allows them to block "offensive material".
I wasn't looking for someone to churn out the repeated arguments for and against treating them as publishers. I've heard the arguments numerous times. Again, my point is that whether they're classed as a publisher or a non-publisher, either way Section 230 doesn't allow them to block comments they disagree with. It only allows them to block "offensive material".
Again, the problem is that Section 230 doesn't get applied correctly. It gets applied as if 'providers of an interactive computer service' can block anything, but they can only block "offensive material**.
Anyway, I re-read Section 230 to refresh my memory which is what I should have done in the first place.
To be realistic, these dudes aren't going to see the inside of a cell. They have the money and connections to stay out of prison and in their bay area mansions or flee the US and seek asylum in another country where they'll buy a mansion and not worry about shit.
It's a fucking travesty and miscarriage of justice, but they're too connected, too well known, and too rich to be touched. The government is afraid of these guys. They are. They're scared of them. They're scared that big tech will target them. They're scared that big tech will stop giving them donations. They're scared that they'll pack up and stop paying taxes.
Big Tech has the entire government by the short hairs and big tech knows it. That's why they act with impunity. That's why Jack literally doesn't care when he has to talk to the Senate. Watch his face and his demeanor when he answers. He's dismissive and apathetic. He knows it's all a fucking show. At least Zuckerberg tries to act concerned. And maybe he is. He seems like one of those guys who are super scared of authority when being grilled. But in the end, they all know that they'll get slapped on the writs with a fine and scolded.
it sucks and it's really disheartening. Our own society and laws prevent us from doing what should be done to them. And we can't just ignore them for some and not others (even though that's what we're doing now, but you get it).
These 3 Commies are traitors and need to be publicly executed. Make no mistake, they are evil and will always have evil intentions against patriots. These fucks can never be allowed to walk freely.
When it comes to the high ranking ones, I don't even think they believe in anything at all, be it capitalism or socialism or what have you. Their only ideology, ultimately, is power for its own sake. O'Brien's words from 1984 come to mind.
"The Russian communists and German nazis [...] pretended, perhaps even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."
Your description is apt. They believe the various economic systems are a means to an end. The globalists love unbridled or unrestricted capitalism because it would get them communism and communism would confer to global goals over National goals as time goes on. the globalists see Nations such as China, Russia, and the USA as useful to their cause.
conservatives hate communism but we haven't created a strong counter to globalism. if we can stop globalism, then we can save the western world.
These people get to decide the "Truth" for you because they think yall are too stupid to think for yourselves. And can't do anything about it. That too.
This is why censorship will never work. It will always deny the truth somehow. If there be lies, let them be spoken, so they may be judged and discerned.
would be a shame if they were tried and executed but not a single news source reported on it, and in fact claimed it was DEBOONKED even to their family and 'friends' (co-conspirator traitors)..
WOULD BE A SHAME IS HISTORY WAS REVISED TO WRITE FB,TWITTER, GOOGLE RIGHT OUT OF EXISTENCE.
Only obviously to fit their agenda of having blackmail on politicians to further the continued existence of their 35,000 employees (without a single whistleblower) who don’t serve the people in any meaningful way.
People here are upset because there’s some survey which said it would have affected the election. Respectfully though that survey seems designed to mine salt here.
Not a fan of destructive politics regardless.
To me Trump won the election so we should focus on that instead of wasting time in the past.
I think Biden is giving Hunter up as a way to distract from the very real and damaging lawsuits going up. He's giving us Hunter and saying 'look, fat. w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-we are trying to c-c-c-omprom-m-m-m oh you know the thing! Take the distraction or you ain't black! I you don't I'll take you out back of the high school! Mmmmm Ice cream' This is an attempt to pacify the right. By giving us Hunter.
Man, I'd be real unhappy if I was Hunter. My dad sold me out when he got what he wanted and is throwing me to the wolves to make it seem like he's legit.
I'm REAL confident that Hunter before too long is going to be found in a hotel room, dead from a 'heart attack' from lining hot coke. Because when someone gets stabbed in the back, their first reaction is to try to roll over on that person and implicate them in everything you can. And Hunter knows a LOT of stuff. Hunter is too dangerous to Biden to be allowed to live. Especially after he handed him up to the FBI to be fucking prosecuted.
Hunter is a dead man and I think he knows it. Biden is making mistakes by turning on his allies this early. First BLM, now Hunter. Biden is burning bridges because he knows the people won't see him as a legitimate President and Biden wants to be President. Real bad. Not for China, not for the Democrats, not for the people, but for himself. He wants to sit in that chair. he wants to be respected and he wants to be looked to for answers. He wants to be the head. He's wanted it his whole life. He'll burn every bridge he can to get it. Including his own family. Clearly.
Still hasn't gone far enough. The Bureau of Matters is only "looking" into his tax matters. So basically they're not even looking into if he was illegally gaining money, or if his father was illegally using his son to launder it for him. It's clear that Hunter did zero work for that money. They're just doing it so they can come out and say "All clear, nothing here! You see, Hunter paid taxes on all of that illegal income that sold out our country!".
I mean for christ sake, there's pictures and video of him doing sexual stuff with an underage family member and they're still bird boxing around.
There is a segment of us in the 35 to 50 year range that grew up before they rolled out facebook and other control measures. We were never intended to share information so freely, bypassing their control points from times past. Look how hard they are trying to turn the internet into a strip mall.
I see definite prison time for these 3 in the future
Why the fuck are they deciding Jack shit. They are publishers, not platforms, right?
my man..
Glad someone sees what I did there lol
^ this
Same with all of big tech. They have become so big and so integral in society that they're public utilities now. You can't have a public utility company shut down your power because they don't like your political views. Same should apply to the biggest pipelines for speech
Shouldn't even matter at this point. If someone wanted to sue them, a judge should approve of it. They have acted numerous times as publishers, so face the consequences.
I'm talking for anyone and everyone who wants to sue. Even in prior years when they were acting as a publisher. A good judge would see the platform status and ignore it just as they ignored their role. This 48 state suit may or may not result in much, but also kinda seperate to the point.
Doesn't section 230 actually only give them protection to remove illegal content, and that's it? It doesn't allow them to censor truth or even opinions, right?
I thought the problem wasn't section 230, it was that section 230 doesn't get applied correctly. So if someone sued twitter/facebook/google, and they hid behind section 230, they should lose if the law was applied correctly?
Can anyone clarify this for me.
Remember, Facebook and Twitter are trying to get around Section 230 by hiring "independent fact-checkers." It's those services, and not Facebook and Twitter, in theory, that will get the blame if anything goes down.
It's all about creating plausible deniability.
But again, section 230 provides facebook no legal protection against 'fact-based' censorship. Section 230 only allows tech companies to remove illegal content.
Political content is not illegal, therefore section 230 provides twitter/facebook no protection.
Their argument is they're not publishers when they censor political content. Instead, they're relying on third party fact checkers to help them eliminate misinformation from their platforms.
Apparently, their argument is we need to sue the fact checkers and not the social media giants for injury due to defamation. There's a reason those fact checker organizations such as PolitiFact and FactCheck.org are set up as non-profits and likely have general liability insurance to protect against defamation lawsuits. They also typically are fact checking people in the public eye, who have a very hard time suing for defamation as is, and an even harder time when suing a non-profit protected by insurance company lawyers.
That's irrelevant to my point. Read my original comment again. You've gone off track. My point is that Section 230 only provides:
Section 230 does not allow 'providers of an interactive computer service' to block political opinions they disagree with. It only allows them to block "offensive material".
I wasn't looking for someone to churn out the repeated arguments for and against treating them as publishers. I've heard the arguments numerous times. Again, my point is that whether they're classed as a publisher or a non-publisher, either way Section 230 doesn't allow them to block comments they disagree with. It only allows them to block "offensive material".
Again, the problem is that Section 230 doesn't get applied correctly. It gets applied as if 'providers of an interactive computer service' can block anything, but they can only block "offensive material**.
Anyway, I re-read Section 230 to refresh my memory which is what I should have done in the first place.
Hang em
Short drop for traitors!
After they’ve been scaled with a rusty spoon!
they're gonna need more security personnel
To be realistic, these dudes aren't going to see the inside of a cell. They have the money and connections to stay out of prison and in their bay area mansions or flee the US and seek asylum in another country where they'll buy a mansion and not worry about shit.
It's a fucking travesty and miscarriage of justice, but they're too connected, too well known, and too rich to be touched. The government is afraid of these guys. They are. They're scared of them. They're scared that big tech will target them. They're scared that big tech will stop giving them donations. They're scared that they'll pack up and stop paying taxes.
Big Tech has the entire government by the short hairs and big tech knows it. That's why they act with impunity. That's why Jack literally doesn't care when he has to talk to the Senate. Watch his face and his demeanor when he answers. He's dismissive and apathetic. He knows it's all a fucking show. At least Zuckerberg tries to act concerned. And maybe he is. He seems like one of those guys who are super scared of authority when being grilled. But in the end, they all know that they'll get slapped on the writs with a fine and scolded.
it sucks and it's really disheartening. Our own society and laws prevent us from doing what should be done to them. And we can't just ignore them for some and not others (even though that's what we're doing now, but you get it).
I wish that were true.
These 3 Commies are traitors and need to be publicly executed. Make no mistake, they are evil and will always have evil intentions against patriots. These fucks can never be allowed to walk freely.
They are not commies. they consider commies as useful idiots. They are globalist capitalists.
When it comes to the high ranking ones, I don't even think they believe in anything at all, be it capitalism or socialism or what have you. Their only ideology, ultimately, is power for its own sake. O'Brien's words from 1984 come to mind.
"The Russian communists and German nazis [...] pretended, perhaps even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."
Your description is apt. They believe the various economic systems are a means to an end. The globalists love unbridled or unrestricted capitalism because it would get them communism and communism would confer to global goals over National goals as time goes on. the globalists see Nations such as China, Russia, and the USA as useful to their cause. conservatives hate communism but we haven't created a strong counter to globalism. if we can stop globalism, then we can save the western world.
That’s what elite commies at the top of the commie tree always are.
A historical example would be Jacob Schiff(globalist capitalist) and Lenin(Communist).
oUr InDePeNdEnT tHiRd PaRtY cHeCkErS SaY tHe HuNtEr LaPtoP sToRy tO bE FaLsE
We don't want our users to see fake news... Unless it's liberal propaganda, of course.
These people get to decide the "Truth" for you because they think yall are too stupid to think for yourselves. And can't do anything about it. That too.
I was thinking class action suits might be a good way to go but they have to be really organized.
So let's get really organized.
There's "the biggest rally ever" tomorrow and no sticky or hype.
This site is terrible at organizing.
Just like usual, the "glitch" favors Democrats.
That image looks like Jack Dorkey is being offered a Mark Cuckerberg robot shaped dildo by some IT cuck
The mindless followers have already forgotten that we were up in arms about this all.
I’ve never heard of him.
It's time for retribution. . .
https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8NyPchQ/after-trump-wins-reelection-ther/c/
This is a communist takeover by "big-tech", trying to censor out everything except their allowed ideology.
I see three members of the CCP, working against our Country and it's people.
This is why censorship will never work. It will always deny the truth somehow. If there be lies, let them be spoken, so they may be judged and discerned.
These grandcucks of the lil dick tech world need to see prison and misery the rest of their days
would be a shame if they were tried and executed but not a single news source reported on it, and in fact claimed it was DEBOONKED even to their family and 'friends' (co-conspirator traitors)..
WOULD BE A SHAME IS HISTORY WAS REVISED TO WRITE FB,TWITTER, GOOGLE RIGHT OUT OF EXISTENCE.
Those three faces make my blood boil
FBI is finally saying they're looking into the laptop.
Yeah.
The FBI is actually investigating it now.
Only obviously to fit their agenda of having blackmail on politicians to further the continued existence of their 35,000 employees (without a single whistleblower) who don’t serve the people in any meaningful way.
People here are upset because there’s some survey which said it would have affected the election. Respectfully though that survey seems designed to mine salt here.
Not a fan of destructive politics regardless.
To me Trump won the election so we should focus on that instead of wasting time in the past.
I think Biden is giving Hunter up as a way to distract from the very real and damaging lawsuits going up. He's giving us Hunter and saying 'look, fat. w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-we are trying to c-c-c-omprom-m-m-m oh you know the thing! Take the distraction or you ain't black! I you don't I'll take you out back of the high school! Mmmmm Ice cream' This is an attempt to pacify the right. By giving us Hunter.
Man, I'd be real unhappy if I was Hunter. My dad sold me out when he got what he wanted and is throwing me to the wolves to make it seem like he's legit.
I'm REAL confident that Hunter before too long is going to be found in a hotel room, dead from a 'heart attack' from lining hot coke. Because when someone gets stabbed in the back, their first reaction is to try to roll over on that person and implicate them in everything you can. And Hunter knows a LOT of stuff. Hunter is too dangerous to Biden to be allowed to live. Especially after he handed him up to the FBI to be fucking prosecuted.
Hunter is a dead man and I think he knows it. Biden is making mistakes by turning on his allies this early. First BLM, now Hunter. Biden is burning bridges because he knows the people won't see him as a legitimate President and Biden wants to be President. Real bad. Not for China, not for the Democrats, not for the people, but for himself. He wants to sit in that chair. he wants to be respected and he wants to be looked to for answers. He wants to be the head. He's wanted it his whole life. He'll burn every bridge he can to get it. Including his own family. Clearly.
Oooops? they fucking knew it was true. They are happy about it being true.
A homeless man, an Android and an Indian walk into a bar...
These "gentlemen" must experience consequences for their actions.
Jack looks like he probably sold the laptop to Hunter out of his trunk.
Their crimes are vast. Their punishments should reflect that.
DemiGods. Wouldn’t want to be one of them answering St Peter’s questions at the Pearly Gates. Won’t be like a congressional hearing, boiyos.
Is Zuckerberg the first American transhuman?
Protecting their investment
Weird how it's been revealed as true immediately after Biden "won".
They knew it was true, it was no mistake.
Has the MSM latched onto the story or something?
These 3 cocksuckers should be listed as terrorist on the Most Wanted List
I can understand the two of them as "our problem". But isn't that Google guy a foreigner?
Still hasn't gone far enough. The Bureau of Matters is only "looking" into his tax matters. So basically they're not even looking into if he was illegally gaining money, or if his father was illegally using his son to launder it for him. It's clear that Hunter did zero work for that money. They're just doing it so they can come out and say "All clear, nothing here! You see, Hunter paid taxes on all of that illegal income that sold out our country!".
I mean for christ sake, there's pictures and video of him doing sexual stuff with an underage family member and they're still bird boxing around.
There is a segment of us in the 35 to 50 year range that grew up before they rolled out facebook and other control measures. We were never intended to share information so freely, bypassing their control points from times past. Look how hard they are trying to turn the internet into a strip mall.
Wasn't that person of brown color the one giving a speech back when, about how google must stop Trump from winning the election?
Pepe Farms remembers the good old days when we'd beat the tar out of the dweebs when they stepped out of line. Where's a bully when you need one.
Sh*t bags one and all.
Punchable faces , all of them !
NPR did the same. End them all.
The good thing they've done is revolutionize communication by providing a platform to spread information.
The bad thing is, it has to be information "the collective" likes.
Same Aholes telling us now that everything about the election is DISPOOOOOOOTED!
Jack Dorsey looks like a gay version of Mel Gibson.