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The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity. — Psalm 5:5

Here it states that the Lord hates something. Whatever the person, place or thing that is, it's clearly stated.

We know that it's not referring to places or things, but people, since the verse says "You hate all who do iniquity."

We also know that whoever these people are, all of them are hated since the verse says "You hate all who do iniquity."

So then who are all of these people? Who does God love and who does He hate?

This is where Jacob and Esau come into play. Before Rebekah birthed them, this is what was said to her, and this is what was said of them.

The Lord said to her, “Two nations are in your womb; And two peoples will be separated from your body; And one people shall be stronger than the other; And the older shall serve the younger.” When her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. — Genesis 25:23-24

Not only did Rebekah physically birth twins, she spiritually birthed two peoples, with each living in two spiritual nations.

Jacob represents the spiritual nation of Israel, and Esau represents the spiritual nation of Edom. Proof of this is found here in the following verses:

God said to him, “Your name is Jacob; You shall no longer be called Jacob, But Israel shall be your name.” Thus He called him Israel. — Genesis 35:10

and Esau said to Jacob, “Please let me have a swallow of that red stuff there, for I am famished.” Therefore his name was called Edom. — Genesis 25:30

So Esau lived in the hill country of Seir; Esau is Edom. — Genesis 36:8

What does it say about God's love and hatred regarding Jacob and Esau, and thus Israel and Edom - the two peoples within these two nations that Jacob and Esau spiritually represent? Read carefully the following passage.

The oracle of the word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi. “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob; but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.” Though Edom says, “We have been beaten down, but we will return and build up the ruins”; thus says the Lord of hosts, “They may build, but I will tear down; and men will call them the wicked territory, and the people toward whom the Lord is indignant forever.” Your eyes will see this and you will say, “The Lord be magnified beyond the border of Israel!” — Malachi 1:1-5

A message to Israel, that is, spiritual Israel. God has loved them, just as He loves Jacob, who allegorically represents them spiritually. Israel, according to God, responds with "How?" Since they argue that Esau is Jacob's brother. They argue this because they understand that God in fact does hate Esau. They question His love for them, that is, spiritual Israel (that is, prior to their conversions), based on the fact Jacob is Esau's twin. But the Lord responds back, and confirms His love for Jacob, despite even the fact Jacob is Esau's twin brother.

The Lord then goes on to talk about Esau, calling him Edom, because Esau is Edom and Esau spiritually represents Edom. He is also called the father of the Edomites in Genesis 36:9. That is, he is their spiritual father. Two nations and two peoples came out of Rebekah's womb. The Israelites and the Edomites (spiritual people, not physical).

Look at the passage in Malachi again. God says He has made Esau's mountains a desolation. Esau was actually given a mountain as a possession from God Himself. It is again, a spiritual mountain.

do not provoke them, for I will not give you any of their land, even as little as a footstep because I have given Mount Seir to Esau as a possession. — Deuteronomy 2:5

This mountain is located in Edom, it is a desolation and a place for jackals, those whom God hates. Edom is a wicked territory, and the Edomites are a people whom the Lord is indignant toward forever, meaning throughout all of eternity. Esau represents those people whom God will not save. He will not choose any of them, and does not love them.

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CenTexKid 0 points ago +1 / -1

I think of the platitude "hate the sin love the sinner." God certainly hates sin.

He is also not a calm, passive God. I think that modern Christianity plays down the wrathful, vengeful, angry God. See "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" Jonathan Edwards, 1741. He has a right to be angered, as well as saddened, by our falling short of what He asks of us.

However, a commentary on another passage in Psalms suggests that "As "hate" is used here, we should not conclude that God is speaking of a virulent and malignant passion that desires to destroy the life of another. The words "loathe" or "grieved," as modern translations use, defines and limits the hatred to deep sorrow for or strong disapproval of the conduct of those under discussion." (https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/16261/eVerseID/16262)

I have never considered that God could hate some of His creation. It makes sense, though. My only hesitation is that He loved the world enough to save us, certainly He loves us all. At the end of the day we're creatures of limited understanding trying to make sense of that which we cannot.

I realize that this comment is not really making a point. It's more of a ramble as I think about this. I would love a response though.