Bush v Gore, where the US Supreme Court waded into the subject of a state's handling of elections, is considered one of the weakest of Supreme Court precedents. Many constitutional experts have said it would be unlikely for Supreme Court to ever want to revisit a situation where an election hangs on the decisions of unelected judges. Today the US Supreme Court reiterated they do not want to position themselves as the role of kingmaker, no matter how indirectly. So be it.
But what this means in practical terms is that whatever happens as a result of a legislative process--NO MATTER HOW UNORTHODOX OR UNUSUAL--will be allowed to stand. Nobody will be able to run to court for relief because it will be denied.
Remember those memes about Mike Pence pulling out an extra box of electors from under a table? It could literally happen and Democrats would have no recourse because the Supreme Court will not get involved. But we obviously aren't going to cheat like dirty stinking Democrats so what else could Pence do?
What about rejecting electors from states with pending allegations of fraud? What about deciding in his role as President of the Senate to hold a simple majority vote of whether alternate slates of electors should be allowed? What about allowing a motion to delay the counting of electors a month so the truth about Biden corruption plays out?
The potential is now limitless because no matter what Mike Pence does, the US Supreme Court has signaled that Article III (the courts) will not get involved in Article II (legislative) affairs surrounding an election.
So ultimately, the future of this country will be in the hands of Mike Pence. If so many electors are set aside that it becomes impossible for either candidate to reach 270, then it falls back to the House to vote by state delegation where there are currently 27 Republican legislatures and 23 Democrat.
Mike Pence has proven to be one of Trump's most loyal and faithful supporters. I believe if there is anything that can be done to right this injustice, Pence will have both the courage and conviction to do it.
Bush v Gore, where the US Supreme Court waded into the subject of a state's handling of elections, is considered one of the weakest of Supreme Court precedents. Many constitutional experts have said it would be unlikely for Supreme Court to ever want to revisit a situation where an election hangs on the decisions of unelected judges. Today the US Supreme Court reiterated they do not want to position themselves as the role of kingmaker, no matter how indirectly. So be it.
But what this means in practical terms is that whatever happens as a result of a legislative process--NO MATTER HOW UNORTHODOX OR UNUSUAL--will be allowed to stand. Nobody will be able to run to court for relief because it will be denied.
Remember those memes about Mike Pence pulling out an extra box of electors from under a table? It could literally happen and Democrats would have no recourse because the Supreme Court will not get involved. But we obviously aren't going to cheat like dirty stinking Democrats so what else could Pence do?
What about rejecting electors from states with pending allegations of fraud? What about deciding in his role as President of the Senate to hold a simple majority vote of whether alternate slates of electors should be allowed? What about allowing a motion to delay the counting of electors a month so the truth about Biden corruption plays out?
The potential is now limitless because no matter what Mike Pence does, the US Supreme Court has signaled that Article III (the courts) will not get involved in Article II (legislative) affairs surrounding an election.
So ultimately, the future of this country will be in the hands of Mike Pence. If so many electors are set aside that it becomes impossible for either candidate to reach 270, then it falls back to the House to vote by state delegation where there are currently 27 Republican legislatures and 23 Democrat.
Mike Pence has proven to be one of Trump's most loyal and faithful supporters. I believe if there is anything that can be done to right this injustice, Pence will have both the courage and conviction to do it.
Good point. Also, Biden is ineligible by the fact of the china payments and corruption. Only one president is available for electors to vote on.
They want Biden to be ineligible. Kamala was the candidate. Biden was the Trojan Horse.
Exactly. He has always been.
He was just too damn dumb to realize it.
No. He wants to be president. If only for a short time. He wants to sit in that chair. He wants to feel important and respected. That's what this has all been about for him. It's not about the money, it's not about ideals. It's about him finally getting that 'respect' that he feels he deserves. He wants people to look up to him for the answers/decisions. It's little man syndrome. Why do you think he likes being called the 'big guy'. Because he likes to feel important. He wants people to defer to him. He wants people to think he's smart. He knows he's not but this is a way to force people to think he's smart.
The dude is an actual monster when you start reading about some of the shit he's actually done. He's literally a HORRID human being and he's extremely lucky that he's not dead or in prison. Seriously. He has friends that have made shit that would have locked us up go away for him. And his ties to the Du Pont family (he lives like 4 houses down actually).
I also think Jill, his fucking psycho cunt wife, is pushing him to do some of this shit too. She's a horrifyingly evil person who LOVES the attention and she wants to be the first lady REAL FUCKING BAD.
You have eloquently put all of my thoughts into this one beautiful paragraph.
Very well said!
Come on man... He has good taste in Ice Cream.
And hotdogs, pizza, and walnut sauce
I thought that was Pelosi.
to this day, im still wondering what flavor he got. prolly ben and jerry's kid fucker dream cream
Pizza flavour... With extra cheese and a side of pasta.
On dominoes
no, no ...he said it. Biden said it directly that if there were a conflict between him and Kamala that he would graciously step aside!
“Get a disease” and step aside
He is the disease and his party is the oozing pustules.
He literally said if they disagreed he would get some kind of disease and step aside, I couldn’t believe it. I agree they are all pus pockets but the origins go much deeper than joe
Jill's not gonna be haaappy.
There will be a payoff for what she has done and she knows this is coming.
If Biden is ineligible, it doesn't go to Kamala, it goes to Trump.
I still think President Trump wins, but if he is determined to be ineligible after a Biden inauguration, it would go to Heels Up,wouldn't it?
No, because she wouldn't be replacing a president. It would have to go to a special voting session and in the mean time, the speaker of the house would be interim president.
President Skelitor
Shudder
But that would never come to fruition - each state's legislature would then send only electors that will vote a certain way
Do tell. Really. Do.
Fraud vitiates all.
Joe must concede. His family is in deep and perhaps a pardon could be promised if he does the right thing.
Don't offer immunity to Biden. Offer it to Hunter to roll over on his Dad.
Then Harris gets the job. Joe must concede. Leverage.
The Commies have him and his whole family by the balls. Step down voluntarily or they take him down.
Why would it even matter to them whether Biden or Kamala is president? They're just deep state puppets, either one being president would be identical.
all i can say is that nyc had to suffer kamala face on bus stops what back in 2017 .... you now she was the annoited one {she held the keys to the port of long beach where the children are imported in from}
Because Biden is mentally incapable. Harris is easily controllable. It's harder to control someone with dementia.
Imagine pulling out the law about being a foreign agent making you ineligible to hold office.
Lol trumps got thousands of tricks up his sleeve yet. He's been preparing for this for ages, just like the deep state have been bullying the justices about this case for ages
I agree, even though this site seems filled with doomers tonight. It may look bad for us right now but I don’t think we’ve seen the end of this play out yet.
I don't feel it looks any worse for us than before. Force was always an option. Only dooming I'm doing is worrying I'll be alone. Either I'm in a militia and we take action if needed, or I'm moving to the mountains. I will not live in a society thst allows this to occur unhindered.
Exactly.
Yeah and remember this Texas case came out of the blue very recently. We are simply back where we were a couple of weeks ago. At least we now know that the rot has extended to the Supreme Court and can act accordingly. Trump isn't done yet!
It was literally 2 days ago. Yes.
Trump has been fighting for 4 years. I am not sure why everyone is acting like the SCOTUS was the last straw. This all an information game. This is far from the end. Maybe we are just sounding the left in 2016, but I just do not feel that this is the end. Trump/Pence still have the power. I guess we will see. I am sure I sound like a crazy person to my family, but it is what it is. I would rather give up everything I have worked for fighting then give it up to China.
Its not.its a problem for sure.but were basically in the same place we were and Georga is co.mitting fraud just like we all new.realisticly it's still last tuesday.....
No, we haven’t. And this Texas lawsuit was not even a thing until a couple days ago. It felt like it came out of no where and was just a bonus effort.
You know this is a team effort right trump is just one person, it takes a village
You might be too young to remember, but the phrase "it takes a village" is from the bowels of the left, and was amplified by Hilldog herself back in the day.
You are right that this is a group effort, but please use another term that doesn't have Hilldog's taint sweat on it.
Not to be a doomer, but if that's true, it's pretty damn late in the game. He ought to play some of these cards. He doesn't get to play them after the game is over.
Not to be a doomed, but my king resides outside of time. Im ready for the rapture.
I think so too, but why haven't we seen more of them? Like some indictments and arrests, before the election? And after? For Spygate, Hillary's emails, Antifa, the Awan scandal, and more? Where the fuck is the DoJ??
The whole country was compromised long before Trump took over. Trying to circle the wagons to get DNC/compromised GOP goons would have always been impossible at this point without some muscle behind it.
A Trump card
At this point, it's time to use the playbook of the left:
"If they go low, we'll go lower."
They didn't respect the election process, why should anyone else?
Pence should just do like it says on this post and pull out a box of extra electors for Trump. If the Dems disagree, they can take it up with the SCOTUS who won't get involved
They will get involved if its democrats perhaps. Just like if a thug kills an innocent person he gets away with it. But if a person defends themselves from a violent attacker and wins they go to jail.
Pence should disregard the courts ruling then. The same way Pennsylvania disregarded the SCOTUS ruling from Alito, TWICE.
You're absolutely right. However, if your opponent is fighting dirty, you have to adapt or get slaughtered. Sometimes the only option is to counter with their tactics when all other options are exhausted.
You can cheat a cheater because you know they won't go to the cops.
This, yes!
Come on, this is like saying you shouldn't shoot someone with a gun pointed at you because you're better than them. Fine, take the bullet and die a noble death. This isn't about Trump, this is about our Constitution and if this isn't stopped, we'll never have a fair election and we'll always be on our knees before the Democrats. I would rather play dirty politics while we teeter on the edge of a knife so we can someday bring honesty and integrity back to our elections. We don't have that and won't have it if we don't do something drastic now.
We've been following the rules. Where has it gotten us? Election officials, legislators, even the supreme fucking court wont do their jobs. Please tell me who is left to uphold the rules so that we can win this by the book?
And this is what’s wrong with our party, right here. We’d rather let America go down the tubes, rather see it get sold out to China, if we can only ‘be the better person.’ I say that’s the cowards way.
You do what you have to so you win.
If you have to do evil for the greater good, then that's what it has to take.
The rules only mean something when both are playing by them. If either don't play by them, the only ones that suffer are the ones still playing by them.
It'd be nice if it was a perfect world where even playing by the rules means you won and went home to fuck the prom queen, but it's not reality.
You want to save your way of life and give children a future? You have to be willing to do whatever it takes to realize that goal. Including breaking the 'rules'.
We're past being honorable. There is no honor in war. There's people that are dead and people that killed them. That's it.
We're fighting for the future of the country, and the DNC/China is playing dirty. Do you really want to lose the country nobly, following the rules all the way to defeat?
Doing the right thing has gotten is nowhere. We might have the moral high ground but we have 0 wins to show for it.
We're getting laughed out of every court, shot in the streets, prosecuted for defending ourselves.
The rules of engagement we've set for ourselves has done nothing but strangle us.
Agreed. If we had been tough from the very beginning, we wouldn't be in this mess right now.
I don't agree with you, but I'm upvoting anyway because you don't deserve those downvotes either.
I LOVE IT!! If this avenue really exists for Pence, I hope he runs with it. All these constitutional nuances are there for a reason. Nothing is ceremonial, like some of these local republican election boards argued to support their decisions to uphold fraudulent results. Pence needs to drown this kitten in the damn river and let the House State delegations re-elect GEOTUS Trump for 4 more years!
Leaving the innocent kittens aside... Mike Pence. On a white horse. Please.
"DROWN THE KITTENS!!"
I'm making the t-shirts as we speak !!!
My only concern with Pence is he's been eerily quiet. Literally all he's said about this stuff since election night was one milquetoast tweet saying that all legal votes should be counted. Not ONE show of support, strong statement, tweet, or ANYTHING since then let alone any action. Even on conservative websites rumors were flying that he's trying to distance himself from this whole thing in hope to save himself from any fallout later. Obviously it could be fake news, but I'm inclined to believe it because what else could possibly explain his deafening silence here? Not trying to be a doomer (you can check my history, I'm one of the staunchest supporters) but genuinely asking -- what else could explain it?
Maybe he's just not a talkative guy who uses social media that much?
MODS pin this!!! <3
Would be a nice pin compared to the doom and gloom on HOT.
GEOTUS has said he needs someone with wisdom and courage! Sounds like our VP.
This is where we see where Pence stands.
Where we see what his odds are in 2024.
If he doesn’t stand now, there won’t be a 2024.
I think that's what they mean.
Good point.
If Pence wants a run for president he needs to show his support to Trump.
With all the GOP senate backstabbing I'm very torn on Pence. My heart says he's loyal buy my brain urges caution.
We'll see.
He's the most loyal, I literally cannot see him backing down. I could see Trump's own family turn on him before Pence would.
I don't think he wants to run as President. He doesn't seem like Front runner leader material. He's a good 2nd, but I don't think he has the intimidation factor or will to be harsh to be president.
He presents himself as a kind of weak guy.
There are still members of Congress who stated that they would contest electors from fraudulent states. Like Mo Brooks. We should all be encouraging our reps/senators to do the same.
We're good on Repres. but it's the senators that need "convincing". The spineless cowards have to oppose the vote or never be elected again.
I love this idea.
Let Pence just flip the tally to Trump and then see who has "standing" to overturn him?
No. He can't flip the electors. He can throw them out. If Trump doesn't have 270, then he wouldn't get it.
You'd be taking them away from Biden so neither has 270 so it'd go to delegates.
That's the way it goes. And that's if a Senator has the balls to contest it. You need a rep and senator to contest the electors before Pence can chuck them, which that's difficult. It's going to be REALLY hard to get a senator to actually do the right thing and contest and it's going to be hard to get Pence to man up and chuck the electors.
That requires extreme loyalty to Trump and courage to stand up. And I don't know if any Senator is man enough. And I"m not sure Pence would it. He might be to straight and narrow and it'd be easy to view that tactic as being real underhanded and cheap.
Senator Ted Cruz mayhaps
Cruz or Rand in Senate, Gatz or Jordan in House?
I think Pence would do it if it was brought to him, but it's definitely the RINOs in congress that wouldn't
Everyone but Trump has been a globalist plant. I have zero reason to believe that Pence isn't Brutus.
Watch your back Trump they're bringing out the daggers.
Who chose Pence to be VP? Was it Trump? Because Trump's picks haven't been great so far, but I'm pretty sure Pence is good.
Is it weird that Karen Pence also got an envelope at the Bush Sr. funeral?
Very weird, I'd give a lot to know what those notes said. With how quick they reacted either a picture or just a few words.
Only claim I've seen showed a small card with nice seal of POTUS, Typewritten message of "They know everything. I'm sorry." signed GHW Bush. Probably hope porn larp.
I don't know. I'm glad Bush Sr. is dead though.
Now if we can do something about his kids. Hopefully they're not far behind him.
You mean like H.W. was to Regan?
So basically you're saying that Pence will single-handedly make the decision that SCOTUS refused to make, and reject the electors that were appointed unconstitutionally.
Brilliant! Now there is no legal recourse for those states because SCOTUS had already said they're not going to decide on that petition.
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT
They will definitely interfere for the other side: DO NOT kid yourself.
Why did Karen Pence get a Bush Funeral envelope?
No idea, but if Texas Secedes, they should invite all of us and then we can kick those Bush faggots out of the state!
Probs everybody "important" got one.
It was always going to come to this. The thing with the Supreme Court is that it would have given everyone the opportunity to view the evidence. We still don’t know why the Trump team went before them last Friday (the afternoon Georgia’s governor’s daughter’s boyfriend was killed).
Wouldnt trust the house faggots either.
They are required to vote by party I believe
I don't know. So many have backstabbed us already. At this point, why wouldn't Pence backstab us? Why wouldn't the senate? Why wouldn't the house? All three would have to not betray us.
They all want their global government so their families are set for life. This is all part of their plan.
Time to appoint roughly 73,000,000 to 90,000,000 electors.
If you think the Supreme Court would dismiss a case brought against Trump you're very much wrong. They would take it up in a heartbeat and side with the Dems 9-0
might as well try though
Interesting take OP.
So, you're saying I should delay deploying Operation Cold Fury until the Silver Fox does his thing in Congress?
I’m interested to hear what General Flynn has to say tomorrow.
🤔 Same.
But will be at the Costco / Sam's Club for toilet paper.
Me too. Looking for 5.56 ply.
This will not be the last case the Supreme Court hears on the election, there’s the 4 individual lawsuits between Trump and each commie state.
If I were the Supreme Court, as legendary as an unprecedented lawsuit sounds, you ARE setting the precedent.
I think they are waiting for the 4 true lawsuits to be appealed the traditional way, so then they can turn this over using the precedent that only state legislators can change election rules. It’s just much simpler in their eyes.
This does help with optics of an impartial Supreme Court. I wish they took up this case, and were brave enough to go on setting a good and wise precedent.
Im just trying to take this rationally. We’re talking about State vs. State lawsuits. Could them taking this case have opened a can of worms for a Supreme Court becoming bombarded with nonstop similar lawsuits?
I am not a lawyer and I really wish I knew more. Any lawyers wanna shit on my pleb inaccuracies please help us all learn idgaf
It also didn't help we had friggin' New California and New Nevada in it. facepalm
Time.
Don’t hold your breath. Clearly the only man we can all trust right now is President Donald Trump. I don’t mean it in a doomer way, we’ll definitely still win this thing. It just may have to be through alternative means...
We deport commies. Then other things.
We come to the homes of people like you. In Minecraft.
KEK. So much impotent rage. See you on the other side Johnny Reb!
Seriously, what do you think is going to happen now? What do you think comes next? We've been preparing for this since before 9/11. You show up a half hour ago and start larping on an opposition website to get a temporary seratonin push, but you clearly don't know what you're doing and are prob having a hard time coming to terms with what you've done. You think you should FEEL like you're winning, but you're not and you know it. Thus the name shrill namecalling True victors dont call names. Deep down you know all of this--the left fucked the fuck up. Otherwise you wouldn't be here. It's well beyond the "rent free" memes we've enjoyed at your expense these last four years. You're worried--deeply worried--and you should be. We're coming for you.
I don't like to think this rests on one person and how they chose to act...other options?
What, like have it rest on nine and see how they act? What's the difference?
God's will will be done, whether by one hundred or by one.
Yes, God's will be done.
doesnt that mean that the next VP could do the same? Doesnt that mean that if he DOESNT do it that the next VP could do that ?
holy shit.
You need a house rep and senate member to also contest before it goes to the VP.
So there's something of a stop gap in place for something like this.
It's important to note; This has NEVER been done before and I imagine if it is, it'd be INCREDIBLY unpopular.
more popular than insurrection act though
Who cares?
That needs to be the narrative. If it is, that could result in more elcetion integrity so the states can say they are not "contested"
If Pence saves the country they he should be right next to Trump on rushmore.
Dude, China isn't a communism. They're a monarchy. If you don't think Xi doesn't have someone just like him ready to take his place or worse, you're wrong.
And on top of that, you gotta get to him and he has TONS of intelligence assets everywhere. Then you've bought yourself a war because they're gonna find out who did it.
Nice take! I like the cut of your jib.
If we can't do that, let him take 10% away from whatever Biden earns and give it to the real Big Guy.
Lol at "then it falls back to the House to vote by state delegation where there are currently 27 Republican legislatures and 23 Democrat."
Anyone who hasn't realized that people are too afraid to stand with Trump yet, is a slow learner.
If it comes to that, the ruling will be something like 5 Trump - The Rest Biden.
Interesting take
Thank you fren
There are no more rules. The only limiting factor is the public opinion of people who have the balls to fight back if you cross the line. Laws and the constitution mean nothing.
Is Pence a lion or a lamb?
OP, you there?
So, if I'm reading this right, you're advocating that Mike Pence reject the electors from states with pending election lawsuits? Is there anything that can allow this? I just want to get my information straight so I can argue this one.
They are running out of time. They know what happened and who did what. It's time to arrest them on sedition charges. The kaws exist already. Use them.
By doing nothing, they're acting like a Kingmaker. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The difference is that there are like 2 million MAGA protestors that are descending on DC as we speak.They shouldn't be afraid of the used condom that BLM is. They shouldn't be intimidated by incel ANTFIA faggots. They should be afraid of US.
Pence should cheat. He should. Fuck it. Why not? if what you say is true, what is the left and the courts going to do about it? However, Pence is too straight laced to doing anything remotely angsty like that. I'm sure he's a good guy, but he doesn't know how to be an asshole. He's not cucked, he's just ... weak, I guess. He can't do anything remotely immoral even if it means saving a country.
Also, a senator and a member of the house of reps. is required to contest the electoral votes for it to go to Pence for him to stop it. There's a Rep from like AL or SC that said he was going to object to the electoral slates of those states, but there also needs to be a Senator to step up and none have. And I suspect none will. They're all so ingrained in their little rules that none would day step out of line to do someone that can be perceived as bad for the right reasons.
Don't expect Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Gaetz, whatever R to do it. They're going to stay silent. Because that's what they do. None have the courage when it matters.
He should do it....fuck it.
Use Dominion machines to count the electors votes. Run their own play.
This should be at the top of the page
No need for extra ballots, just claim they're all for trump and don't let anyone else see them.
Can we trust Pence to have the courage to do the right thing?
Jefferson voted himself in, I do not see a problem since there is president. :D
We need to get out and protest peacefully at everyone of these Electoral College votes; either at the capital or at their remote/virtual locations; so they know what we want!
...we should also take rope with us in case they decide to follow-through and send Biden Electors instead.