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posted ago by TheNixonTapes ago by TheNixonTapes +8314 / -10

Things are not over. But let me put SCOTUS into perspective.

Yes, GA, PA, MI, and WI, all violated the Constitution. All serious people concur with that assessment. But standing, objectively, was going to be difficult to assert. Texas did make a pretty creative argument, to be sure. Standing was sort of 50-50 given there is literally no precedent for this type of suit. We must commend those who stood with us, even against the odds. Everyone else, fuck 'em.

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Apart from the Texas suit, you must keep in mind all election-related lawsuits can be distinguished by the the stage during the election period they are brought, the parties bringing them, and the court in which they are brought.

There are three defined stages to this fight: (A) pre-election litigation; (B) post-election, pre-certification litigation; and (C) post-election, post-certification litigation.

The parties relevant for our purposes are (1) POTUS in his personal capacity/Trump campaign and (2) all other third parties (e.g., state-level GOP, private citizens, such as Sidney P and L. Wood and their plaintiffs, etc.).

The courts are obviously distinguished between State (S) and Federal (F).

[I will occasionally combine these alphanumeric references to discuss particular litigation strategies. For example, a reference to an (A-1-F) lawsuit would reference a pre-election lawsuit (A) brought by POTUS (1) in Federal court (F).]

Most of the attention-grabbing litigation has been post-election, pre-certification lawsuits brought by third parties in Federal court (B-2-F). From a strategy standpoint, these suits puzzled me.

First, Federal court was always less desirable of a venue than State court, because Federal courts almost never intervene in post-election matters. (The only exception to that general rule is an appeal from a state court of last resort to SCOTUS, such as Bush v. Gore.)

Second, these (B-2-F) lawsuits sought to enjoin certification of the state election results. I am unaware of any court ever granting this type of relief. The reason no such relief has ever been granted is because the laws of almost every state require certification of results before one can file an election contest in court. (Some states also require certification as a condition precedent to requesting a recount and/or for an automatic recount to occur.)

While POTUS did attempt to stop PA and MI certifications, several factors diminished the feasibility of those suits as time progressed, a subject which I do not discuss here.

The key lawsuits to watch have always been the election contests.

First, an election contest was how Bush v. Gore got to SCOTUS, which demonstrates how these types of lawsuits present a more plausible path to SCOTUS review.

Second, standing is almost never a problem, because most state statutes only permit the candidates to bring election contests. The candidate always meets the three key requirements of standing (injury in fact, causation, and redressability).

Third, election contests must be brought in state court. Another issue with Federal court is that many of the arguments in the post-election lawsuits have focused on violations of state law. Federal courts do not interpret state law, cannot be called upon to enforce state law, and do not remedy violations of state law. The only time a Federal court examines a state law is when the court is examining whether the state law violates the Federal constitution.

Fourth, and this is the good part, POTUS has at least four active election contests that have been filed sort of under the radar:

-There is one in Wisconsin (10 EV), which the Wisconsin supreme court is set to hear tomorrow.

-There is one in Georgia (16 EV), which has a better chance of success than Sidney P or Lin Wood's suits, precisely because POTUS is a party to this suit, suing in his personal capacity.

-There is one in Nevada (6 EV), which the NV supreme court rejected, making it now prime for appeal to the SCOTUS.

-There is another one in Arizona (11 EV), which the AZ supreme court rejected, and which AZ GOP Chairwoman Kelli Ward said they were appealing to SCOTUS.

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I would be lying to you all if I said this was not an uphill battle. It always has been. And I am always cognizant of us not turning into the "here's how Bernie can still win" type of people from 2016. But objectively speaking, it is still not over.

And I will say...

WE DESERVE OUR DAY IN COURT GODDAMMIT!

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Hammerhawk 575 points ago +584 / -9

Texas wasnt even a thing 3 days ago...but I did get pretty invested into it

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NoahGav 399 points ago +412 / -13

The difference is now we know SCOTUS isn't on our side.

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deleted 170 points ago +177 / -7
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Ben45 65 points ago +66 / -1

2021

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AKviking14 34 points ago +35 / -1

January 6th it is then.

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UpTrump 42 points ago +45 / -3

What's the point of even trying to have fair and honest elections if you know you can't possibly be stopped? Dems are so much smarter than Republicans and they have successfully stolen America as a result

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Major_Nutt 35 points ago +38 / -3

They're not smarter, they're just louder.

Democrats are the stupidest fucking people alive. They base every decision on emotion rather than logic

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dildanusmaximus 6 points ago +6 / -0

They're not smarter. They're unscrupulous. It's like playing chess with a 5 year old that doesn't obey the rules that has men with guns standing behind him backing him up when he swats the pieces off the board and declares himself the winner.

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Doctor_Strangelove 5 points ago +5 / -0

Certainly they are more corrupt. Smarts is a non-factor.

Voting is a proxy for political violence. We have the 2nd and 3rd box so we don't need the 4th. Fraud is the destruction of the republic. History will show you what comes next

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Toohershat 60 points ago +62 / -2

Honest question: Do we know that for sure?

I don't know all the ins and outs of the Texas case. Maybe it had its shortcomings.

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TheGulagKnownAsCA 56 points ago +60 / -4

I'm willing to side with the OP lawyer pede here that the Texas case was just a creative attempt at a legal loophole. And that their dismissing of it doesn't necessarily mean that SCOTUS is against us. shrugs

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WinnerPlaysTCU 19 points ago +23 / -4

That would almost make me more nervous. If we are just throwing things at the wall it means the whole kraken-up-our-sleeve idea is moot and we have never had a plan. And I don’t know what to think because I definitely believe that we (POTUS) have/has a plan

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ChicagoMAGA 10 points ago +10 / -0

I don't know enough law to fully understand how these court procedures work, so I'm going to have a little faith with the lawyer pedes here. For me, way too early to make any rash decisions. I wish I understood this better, but my technical training is in electrical engineering, not the law. Oh well. Let's hold the line and keep on organizing rallies, spreading the word, and investigating!

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RoBatten 5 points ago +6 / -1

Remember Bush vs Gore. Gore "won" just like Biden is doing now. Gore was "president." Then SCOTUS, and all of a sudden it was president Bush.

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Harper42190 2 points ago +11 / -9

however the merits of this case were rock solid in comparison to anything in the courts right now. Additionally, alito and thomas said theyd hear the case but wouldnt provide the remedy... so whats the point? Yes scotus is against us

Kavanaugh is a serial rapist, prove me wrong

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patataoh 40 points ago +40 / -0

But to not even look at it?

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Liberty_or_Death 22 points ago +22 / -0

What's weirder is they requested a response from the defending parties.

It's really fucking weird.

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soapyballotjurybox 20 points ago +20 / -0

TX suit could have been bait to see if they’d bite

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SparrowHawk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah that's a weird one, but there are frequently weird rules in law. Maybe they filed it wrong, and having a hearing wouldn't have mattered? Someone said something to that effect, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'll wait to hear from the higher-ups.

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Grand_Old_Man 12 points ago +19 / -7

Well. Do you trust thomas and alito (0 bad rulings between them ever) made the right call or the three dems (joined by gay gorsuch, kav the rapist, and amy kidnaps haitians barret) made the right call?

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LORD_RM 12 points ago +13 / -1

A week ago I wouldn’t have upvoted this, but now, fuck them. FUCK THEM

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Harper42190 4 points ago +4 / -0

yes, alito and thomas said they would listen to the case because of its original jurisdication, but would not grant the remedy

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KamalasCamelHump 15 points ago +16 / -1

Globalists own everything almost, this has been a slow burn plan for decades that they're now pulling off.

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JD12 14 points ago +16 / -2

It is even worse, they created a precedent that denies ANY State even a possibility to argue against any other State. It means that all the legal action on all fraud cases are going to stop of state level, so they know they can rule whatever they want and there is no one above them on that matter. All the pending cases on the state levels are now doomed to fail.

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acasper 8 points ago +8 / -0

Not necessarily true. I would have appreciated hearing their rationalization for no standing though. Should have been heard and ruled upon.

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basedBlumpkin 71 points ago +72 / -1

Yeah and he already spineless R members of the legislatures who have no understanding of the TX case or why it wasn't heard will just use it's rejection as further reason not to select Trump electors. This is a massive public optics blow.

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acasper 25 points ago +25 / -0

This is most definitely an optics hit.

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BingHard 19 points ago +20 / -1

I disagree. It broke through the msm blackout. It was half the country vs the other. No one can deny that this is a huge deal anymore.

All press is good press for us now.

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basedBlumpkin 17 points ago +18 / -1

When we only had 3 cases going the narrative all over TV and social was "The Trump team is 0-39, every single court and judge has laughed them out of the courthouse. There is no evidence". We heard it ourselves repeated countless times in these various hearings. What do you think this being rejected is going to do? It's that same narrative x50

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Herecomedatpresident 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes but they already also think there is no evidence of fraud too. They think hunter biden was set up by Russia. I could go on. Point is fuck them.

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jpower 54 points ago +58 / -4

Ya I still think I'll stick to my original thought pattern which is POTUS following through with these other lawsuits and then using the INSURRECTION ACT for once and for all.

Everyone is corrupt up and down the courts and there is no good way around it.

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Doctor_Strangelove 17 points ago +17 / -0

Correct. It will come down to the Insurrection Act now. Everything else is rearranging deck chairs on the fuckin Titanic

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Greg-2012 5 points ago +5 / -0

Insurrection Act after all lawsuits have been exhausted.

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NoahGav 17 points ago +17 / -0

Insurrection act / martial law is the only hope now.

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Doctor_Strangelove 3 points ago +3 / -0

100%

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bck- 1 point ago +1 / -0

Where do I sign up ?

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 -1 points ago +5 / -6

Insurrection act isn’t going to be used dude.

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jpower 2 points ago +4 / -2

And you are who?

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 1 point ago +3 / -2

Someone with common sense. He will never use insurrection act. Save my comment snd mock me mercilessly if I’m wrong.

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flashersenpai -4 points ago +1 / -5

they aren't using the act you mong wake up

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FluhanWu 27 points ago +28 / -1

Yeah we all did. That is not a bad thing. Now we got to see who is willing to listen to the people of their state. I am glad you pointed this out. Helps me remember the most important reason not to feel too down about this loss is because it was an addition to an already large number of court cases. If we won, good. If not, back to were we left off 3 days ago.

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Hammerhawk 7 points ago +8 / -1

But like the comment above...does this mean we know where SCOTUS stands for sure or did someone not dot the Ts and cross the eyes somewhere? We will see

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generated_name 10 points ago +10 / -0

Ted Cruz has been, and the gentleman on Bannon's show today was, very somber when discussing this case, or any SCOTUS decision about this election really. Robert Barnes also didn't have much faith in them. Not because SCOTUS themselves are the issue (though Barnes has his criticisms of ACB); but just because of the novelty of the cases as well as other smaller issues.

I believe SCOTUS should have taken this up. I was hoping and praying they would; but I had a strong feeling they wouldn't.

I say we see how the election contests and other cases being brought up turn out.

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BingHard 4 points ago +4 / -0

All news is good news. What we need more than anything is awareness.

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MAGAlikethis 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is the most reasonable response.

Although, I'm a bit surprised to see that Wyoming and Kentucky never joined.

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NighT93 11 points ago +11 / -0

I think we just overblew the Texas case. We should all still be following the PA and Rudy cases. Martial law and insurrection act are definitely in play here.

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Hammerhawk 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hopefully..it does give that feel off that SCOTUS is working against us thats all. I dont know enough to know why they punted it.

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NighT93 3 points ago +3 / -0

Or a long con for the Trump picks specifically to look impartial for when the Rudy / Trump vs States cases reach the SCOTUS.