You cannot be rid of them. Corruption is natural. The choice is to continually fend it off, or to let it take root and spread. We need to cut the corruption back before it chokes us.
There will be moments when we will get distracted (like war, disasters, plagues, civil unrest) and that’s when corruption slips in unnoticed. Once there it festers and infects everything until we get to where we are today.
I think you can get rid of them. They were going to make lists of Trump supporters right?
Well we already know who they (Democrats) are now. We know their names their home addresses and every which one that has proven to be a commie sympathizer.
Time for Insurection Act and time to make a move on them , the Rhinos, the Media , the Bankers, and foreign enemies stationed here.
We didn't go far enough. This time we will. There is no room for them in our country. They can conform completely, move to china, or get tossed out a helicopter.
Absolutely not. They will invite in the Chinese immediately, and then we will have an even bigger problem. We need to either kill them or kick them out. Excise the cancer!
The Chinese are already here. We share our entire govt with them. They are in our congress making laws, in our executive branch arresting us, and in our judicial branch sentencing us. We need to secure what we have before we lose all of our ground. We have enough to create a real line and hold it. If we wait any longer we will lose it all and have no ground to stand on.
If you need to take a break, no shame in that. Get a good night's rest, get some chow first thing in the morning, and bring that high energy to keep up the fight. Now's not the time to give up.
lmao, you are already conquered in every ways that matter. Every institution is compromise. The laws of the land and the constitution are worth less than toilet paper.
A block of 20 free states is better than 50 conquered ones.
Its already 20 vs 30. China is already here, we share a congress with them. We must consolidate what we have and then fight them, we will not win in the deep state against the deep state. They will continue to ignore the laws and do what they want as the punish and demoralize us.
I dunno, I think we need secede. We no longer have even COMMON GROUND with the Left anymore. They continue to drift off into the abyss of communism, and we're strident in our attempt to stay a free nation. How are we supposed to cohabit this nation anymore? Friends have been lost. Families are fractured. We're being torn apart, and as much as I'd like to stay together, I don't see how we can.
We are not the majority in DC. Far from it. There are bad apples at all levels and they are encouraged to commit ideological crimes, because the DAs, or some cucked judge won't prosecute. Crime is normalized. Not one big crime conspircyy, just encouraging guerilla crimes by lack of consequences. The low moral scum doesn't need more to get the hard-ons. Either we go vigilante justice or we secede.
Consider Trump winning another second term though: more riots. More media bullshit. More lying. More impeachment. Where would we be in another 4 years? We think too much in the short term. We need to plan -- PLAN -- for a future.
I don't think we need to secede, we need to win and then we can discuss whether we exile them or give them a small area for their own shithole where they can rot and be degenerates and probably starve to death.
They already own that ground, they own more than half our government already. We must take what we have and make a real line to hold or else we will have no ground to stand on soon.
That's not secession, that's drawing battle lines. If you think that they'll take their half and live happily ever after, your fucked. Even if they would peacefully go and leave us alone, all secession would equal is us giving up. It's time to take this country back, not give up.
The South Africans in the 1980s and 1990s were told that.
The communist ANC "win" all the time.
They have no future.
.
English-speaking Canadians were told that in the 1970s to 1990s.
They have now lost every city, all but two or three provinces.
They have no future.
.
Quebec, and Scotland, two places that only have power because they scream all the time they will secede.
Barcelona, the Catalonia region, not knowing enough about that to add to the list. A bit different, when they do talk about it, they get shut down hard by Madrid.
In some ways, the USA being split would not be new. Talking geographically, as it would be the Republic of Texas plus the area of the Louisiana Purchase plus former Russian ground of Alaska plus Spanish Florida plus whatever olden days names the states who were 15th to 20th to join the USA were called. Tennessee was called "Southwest Territory"?
If any of it happened, you would want to be in the map-making business. Huge profits.
I struggle with this. I don’t want to give them a damn inch. Problem is they have had about a 60 year head start and while we all know Trump won, and won big, there were still tens of millions of “American” sheeple who voted for a compromised pedo.
A big part of me wants to preserve what we have, we can absolutely work on liberating our fellow patriots while doing so.
Yeah, I HATE when people talk about letting Cali secede. We have nuke silos here, major ports, and military bases (air, ground, sea, cyber, and space). If you are willing to let that go, or if you think Cali would leave the union without them, you are naive at best. Not to mention they'd join Canada in letting PLA and UN forces on their soil in a heartbeat.
Don't give the Left anything. They hate this country and deserve none of it.
Honestly though, seceding would be a huge benefit to the country.
Presumably seceding would give us a free pass to completely remove all communists from one society to throw into the other society. It's an opportunity for a total purge from society. This would leave only the high quality people in the non-communist society and the losers in the communist society. This would give the entire world, America included an opportunity to see exactly what happens between international communism and national capitalism.
The end result is pretty obvious. The national capitalist country would have a much higher standard of living, the people would be happier and overall the society would generate far more invention, innovation per capita not to mention the art, design, literature and everything else would be of much higher quality. The communist country would suffer.
We'd have without a doubt 100% proof that communism doesn't work and is actually a bad thing while systematically cutting all of the fat out of our society.
Before long, the communist states would start to want to join with the capitalist states and the capitalist states can accept but only if the state agree to the new National Capitalist constitution that is even more based than the original constitution.
Ban central banks.
Crypto as a national currency.
Culturally homogenous society.
Guns are not just a right, but mandatory.
Communist shilling is a crime punishable by death.
Exactly. Secession is exactly what China wants. They will invade us easily if there's a secession. The would put forward bases in California and the cuck Dems will give them citizenship before being sent to concentration camp as useful idiots.
Bullshit. The corrupt feds are relying on Republicans to play nice, play by the rules, and go home after convincing themselves "we did our best". Just like we always do.
If we don't show that we're ready to pick sides and quit cooperating with the enemy, this will end with Trump leaving office in January after fighting a long battle through the courts in a system rigged against him from the start.
IT'S TIME WE MAKE OUR OWN SYSTEM, PUT TRUMP AT IT'S HEAD, PUSH THE ENEMY OUT, AND THEN EXCIZE THEM.
British divided India when they left the country.
Now there is no peace but disputed borders. They did install a puppet PM, people didnt realize because they worshipped comrade gandhi who supported both pakistan and PM nehru. Now we are paying the price.
Dont secede a single inch they will try and take it all just like pakistan wants to do.
They already have Washington wtf you talking about? 2 state wide initiatives got overturned into how "they" wanted and not what the people voted on already. We are slaves in Washington whose sole existence is to feed the socialism machines
Remember that even the commie states are actually filled with red counties. If you secede they will want to join the righteous. Eastern WA sure as heck will not want to be joined with the antifa regime in Seattle, and neither does Eastern WA, or Northern CA or rural Nevada etc. etc.
The commie states are blue because of the big cities. Where the lawlessness trives. What do you think happens with voting integrity when the police gets reduced even further?! In Detroit it was the police pushing out Republican observers. It's the end, the only way out is to split.
Maybe, but they won't go quietly. This is a long term battle. If we actually focused on informing people, especially young people, we would make a lot of headway.
Homeschooling, tuition grants to private Christian schools and colleges etc. etc. could make a big difference. In Christianity the battle is always grassroots. Gain ground with friends and family and you can change the world.
I say we need to secede as an alliance of 2000 or so county nation states, instead of as a union of 20 or so states. The more decentralized we are, the harder we will be to take down.
If the other leftist countries want to drown in their socialist sewage pit, I don't see why we shouldn't let them. Get rid of them. Good riddance.
I'm down to secede. I live in California, still young but ready to gtfo of here. Leave this place to rot. Can't coexist with hive minded liberal lynch mobs anymore.
All the earlier secede talk is/was bullshit. I live in MI, and I won't listen to anyone that says my state shouldn't matter. I'm fighting the good fight just like everyone else in all the other 49 states. We are fighting to preserve the Union, not tear it asunder. That fight will stop when I cease to draw breath.
If absolutely nothing happens, I would rather secede than live with these people.
I ain't gonna be the guy who shoots without anyone shooting with me. We need a commander and chief, and unfortunately if Trump ends up not crossing the Rubicon I don't know who else could fit the shoes.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Its what China wants, but if we end up cucked we'll fall anyway. Its better to have a nation with uncucked based people than a nation led by a chi-comm puppet.
We need to put our foot down if shit just doesn't get done. A threat to secede is our last option should nothing happen. I will not live in this country with these people anymore. I hate politicians, I hate silicon valley, I hate how we have to deal with this shit and how we have no clue whether or not our top people are actually going to fucking do anything.
Fuck China, Fuck the Democrats, Fuck most Republicans. Fuck the Courts, Fuck the Media, Fuck Biden, and Fuck Harris. Fuck the Clintons too, but they might enjoy that.
No, get out of the blue states. We risk the entire republic by trying to hold on to them. We must consolidate what we have and then fight them for it on the battlefield, we can't win in the deep state against the deep state. You will damn everyone that way.
This.
Channeling Abraham Lincoln tonight.
How'd that work out? 150 years later and the Democrats he fought are still a plague
They are poison, we need to be rid of them one way or another
You cannot be rid of them. Corruption is natural. The choice is to continually fend it off, or to let it take root and spread. We need to cut the corruption back before it chokes us.
Eternal vigilance
That’s impossible,
There will be moments when we will get distracted (like war, disasters, plagues, civil unrest) and that’s when corruption slips in unnoticed. Once there it festers and infects everything until we get to where we are today.
I think you can get rid of them. They were going to make lists of Trump supporters right?
Well we already know who they (Democrats) are now. We know their names their home addresses and every which one that has proven to be a commie sympathizer.
Time for Insurection Act and time to make a move on them , the Rhinos, the Media , the Bankers, and foreign enemies stationed here.
We didn't go far enough. This time we will. There is no room for them in our country. They can conform completely, move to china, or get tossed out a helicopter.
Because 2020 Democrats are the same people as 1800s Democrats.
You have a brain, right?
You're right - today's Democrats are much worse
This is true.
You get it, but we will not have to invade. They will beg for us to tear down the walls
Sounds eerily familiar.
Absolutely not. They will invite in the Chinese immediately, and then we will have an even bigger problem. We need to either kill them or kick them out. Excise the cancer!
The Chinese are already here. We share our entire govt with them. They are in our congress making laws, in our executive branch arresting us, and in our judicial branch sentencing us. We need to secure what we have before we lose all of our ground. We have enough to create a real line and hold it. If we wait any longer we will lose it all and have no ground to stand on.
We should form our own union.
Call it the United States of America with a Constitution that is verbatim the same as the old one.
Choose a temporary national capital that can be easily defended.
Make Trump president of the new union and then conquer the remaining states. Move capital back to DC, drain the swamp.
Wont even need to invade. Enough of us even in the commie states to overthrow their own tyrannical governments.
The idiots who downvoted you don't understand the tactic of "divide and conquer".
If you read Sun Tsu's The Art of War, it's a treatise on unrestricted warfare (apart from bang bang /clash clash kinetic warfare).
Using enemy agents to weaken an enemy state is one of the taught strategies.
And how is having a communist america not playing into their hand?
Oh yeah, this is all 4d chess, trust the plan
If you need to take a break, no shame in that. Get a good night's rest, get some chow first thing in the morning, and bring that high energy to keep up the fight. Now's not the time to give up.
You can remain apathetic, that's what the deep state wants.
If you truly believe things are according to Trump's plan, you are delusional.
No, we abolish the left by force.
You’re playing right into their hands by allowing them to divide and conquer. You know what’s easier to conquer than 48 continental United States?
20 of them that are trying to create a government
lmao, you are already conquered in every ways that matter. Every institution is compromise. The laws of the land and the constitution are worth less than toilet paper.
A block of 20 free states is better than 50 conquered ones.
You think NATO will save us from CHina? They cant even be bothered to pay foot their part of the bill.
Its already 20 vs 30. China is already here, we share a congress with them. We must consolidate what we have and then fight them, we will not win in the deep state against the deep state. They will continue to ignore the laws and do what they want as the punish and demoralize us.
The Chinese already have what they want, we need to secure ourselves first otherwise we risk it all and will have no ground to stand on
I dunno, I think we need secede. We no longer have even COMMON GROUND with the Left anymore. They continue to drift off into the abyss of communism, and we're strident in our attempt to stay a free nation. How are we supposed to cohabit this nation anymore? Friends have been lost. Families are fractured. We're being torn apart, and as much as I'd like to stay together, I don't see how we can.
We are not the majority in DC. Far from it. There are bad apples at all levels and they are encouraged to commit ideological crimes, because the DAs, or some cucked judge won't prosecute. Crime is normalized. Not one big crime conspircyy, just encouraging guerilla crimes by lack of consequences. The low moral scum doesn't need more to get the hard-ons. Either we go vigilante justice or we secede.
Consider Trump winning another second term though: more riots. More media bullshit. More lying. More impeachment. Where would we be in another 4 years? We think too much in the short term. We need to plan -- PLAN -- for a future.
I don't think we need to secede, we need to win and then we can discuss whether we exile them or give them a small area for their own shithole where they can rot and be degenerates and probably starve to death.
Exile to Venezuela with a small backpack of supplies. If they have anything of value, submit it and make a request to take it with them
And by supplies you mean a few bottles of soylent.
Toothbrush, toothpaste, soap, the common prison kit
That's why we remove them from our free country. We don't negotiate with terrorists and we don't cede ground to invading forces.
Yep and then amend the constitution to ban socialist bullshit.
They already own that ground, they own more than half our government already. We must take what we have and make a real line to hold or else we will have no ground to stand on soon.
That's not secession, that's drawing battle lines. If you think that they'll take their half and live happily ever after, your fucked. Even if they would peacefully go and leave us alone, all secession would equal is us giving up. It's time to take this country back, not give up.
The South Africans in the 1980s and 1990s were told that.
The communist ANC "win" all the time.
They have no future.
.
English-speaking Canadians were told that in the 1970s to 1990s.
They have now lost every city, all but two or three provinces.
They have no future.
.
Quebec, and Scotland, two places that only have power because they scream all the time they will secede.
Barcelona, the Catalonia region, not knowing enough about that to add to the list. A bit different, when they do talk about it, they get shut down hard by Madrid.
In some ways, the USA being split would not be new. Talking geographically, as it would be the Republic of Texas plus the area of the Louisiana Purchase plus former Russian ground of Alaska plus Spanish Florida plus whatever olden days names the states who were 15th to 20th to join the USA were called. Tennessee was called "Southwest Territory"?
If any of it happened, you would want to be in the map-making business. Huge profits.
So... Buy stock in Rand McNally?
J/K aside, it's food for thought.
I struggle with this. I don’t want to give them a damn inch. Problem is they have had about a 60 year head start and while we all know Trump won, and won big, there were still tens of millions of “American” sheeple who voted for a compromised pedo.
A big part of me wants to preserve what we have, we can absolutely work on liberating our fellow patriots while doing so.
All it takes is 3%, and i bet we have MOAR
More like a 120 year start. Marx and Engels started this disease called communism.
They got the idea from Satan.
Yeah, I HATE when people talk about letting Cali secede. We have nuke silos here, major ports, and military bases (air, ground, sea, cyber, and space). If you are willing to let that go, or if you think Cali would leave the union without them, you are naive at best. Not to mention they'd join Canada in letting PLA and UN forces on their soil in a heartbeat.
Don't give the Left anything. They hate this country and deserve none of it.
People in Deep Red America seem to miss the fact that the deep blue states, as left as they are, also make up most of our nation's GDP.
And they are also home to a lot of Republicans.
Like someone mentioned in another thread, the secession ship sailed 150 years ago.
Don't give a fuck about GDP if we are gonna burn it on global warming parties.
Honestly though, seceding would be a huge benefit to the country.
Presumably seceding would give us a free pass to completely remove all communists from one society to throw into the other society. It's an opportunity for a total purge from society. This would leave only the high quality people in the non-communist society and the losers in the communist society. This would give the entire world, America included an opportunity to see exactly what happens between international communism and national capitalism.
The end result is pretty obvious. The national capitalist country would have a much higher standard of living, the people would be happier and overall the society would generate far more invention, innovation per capita not to mention the art, design, literature and everything else would be of much higher quality. The communist country would suffer.
We'd have without a doubt 100% proof that communism doesn't work and is actually a bad thing while systematically cutting all of the fat out of our society.
Before long, the communist states would start to want to join with the capitalist states and the capitalist states can accept but only if the state agree to the new National Capitalist constitution that is even more based than the original constitution.
How can we make the original docs more based?
Add an amendment that specifically makes communism against the constitution.
Ban central banks. Crypto as a national currency. Culturally homogenous society. Guns are not just a right, but mandatory. Communist shilling is a crime punishable by death.
Deport where?
Might be faster to ventilate them.
You are already Chinafornia
Exactly. Secession is exactly what China wants. They will invade us easily if there's a secession. The would put forward bases in California and the cuck Dems will give them citizenship before being sent to concentration camp as useful idiots.
So, no secession. Where We Go 1, We Go All.
I don’t see secession, but unless something changes REAL fast, the Commies are taking it all.
We need a win ......... LIKE NOW!
I just hope we have some real options left.
Love it
Bullshit. The corrupt feds are relying on Republicans to play nice, play by the rules, and go home after convincing themselves "we did our best". Just like we always do.
If we don't show that we're ready to pick sides and quit cooperating with the enemy, this will end with Trump leaving office in January after fighting a long battle through the courts in a system rigged against him from the start.
IT'S TIME WE MAKE OUR OWN SYSTEM, PUT TRUMP AT IT'S HEAD, PUSH THE ENEMY OUT, AND THEN EXCIZE THEM.
This is our home and Commies get nothing. Not a single acre abandoned.
THIS IS OUR FUCKING COUNTRY
SECESSION IS WHAT THE CCP/GLOBALISTS WANT
When we chase the commies out, we will inspect them for grains of dirt. We cede them NOTHING.
the commie states, just like Canada, would allow CCP to bring in troops so as to invade all of North America
Fucking thank you.
We’d go to war with China before ourselves. They started this mess
Agreed. There are only problem cities, not problem states.
British divided India when they left the country. Now there is no peace but disputed borders. They did install a puppet PM, people didnt realize because they worshipped comrade gandhi who supported both pakistan and PM nehru. Now we are paying the price. Dont secede a single inch they will try and take it all just like pakistan wants to do.
Exactly
Hell Yea!
Yeah I'm not a fan of secession.
We don't need to formally secede, we just stop giving a fuck about their laws and rules.
Sea to Shining Sea!
Well, maybe California.....
They already have Washington wtf you talking about? 2 state wide initiatives got overturned into how "they" wanted and not what the people voted on already. We are slaves in Washington whose sole existence is to feed the socialism machines
Remember that even the commie states are actually filled with red counties. If you secede they will want to join the righteous. Eastern WA sure as heck will not want to be joined with the antifa regime in Seattle, and neither does Eastern WA, or Northern CA or rural Nevada etc. etc.
The commie states are blue because of the big cities. Where the lawlessness trives. What do you think happens with voting integrity when the police gets reduced even further?! In Detroit it was the police pushing out Republican observers. It's the end, the only way out is to split.
Maybe, but they won't go quietly. This is a long term battle. If we actually focused on informing people, especially young people, we would make a lot of headway.
Homeschooling, tuition grants to private Christian schools and colleges etc. etc. could make a big difference. In Christianity the battle is always grassroots. Gain ground with friends and family and you can change the world.
I say we need to secede as an alliance of 2000 or so county nation states, instead of as a union of 20 or so states. The more decentralized we are, the harder we will be to take down.
If the other leftist countries want to drown in their socialist sewage pit, I don't see why we shouldn't let them. Get rid of them. Good riddance.
Texas is the only State that would be able to successfully secede, and if things go sideways don't think we wont give it a go.
I'm down to secede. I live in California, still young but ready to gtfo of here. Leave this place to rot. Can't coexist with hive minded liberal lynch mobs anymore.
All the earlier secede talk is/was bullshit. I live in MI, and I won't listen to anyone that says my state shouldn't matter. I'm fighting the good fight just like everyone else in all the other 49 states. We are fighting to preserve the Union, not tear it asunder. That fight will stop when I cease to draw breath.
If absolutely nothing happens, I would rather secede than live with these people.
I ain't gonna be the guy who shoots without anyone shooting with me. We need a commander and chief, and unfortunately if Trump ends up not crossing the Rubicon I don't know who else could fit the shoes.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Its what China wants, but if we end up cucked we'll fall anyway. Its better to have a nation with uncucked based people than a nation led by a chi-comm puppet.
We need to put our foot down if shit just doesn't get done. A threat to secede is our last option should nothing happen. I will not live in this country with these people anymore. I hate politicians, I hate silicon valley, I hate how we have to deal with this shit and how we have no clue whether or not our top people are actually going to fucking do anything.
Fuck China, Fuck the Democrats, Fuck most Republicans. Fuck the Courts, Fuck the Media, Fuck Biden, and Fuck Harris. Fuck the Clintons too, but they might enjoy that.
Think how much fun it would be to secede though.
Just like last time we beat their asses
Uh... just let Minnesota go.
The commies already have a bunch of states. We need to fall back to the states we have and regroup.
Indirection and violence. That's the only options left.
Idk can we at least trade off the west coast cities, it would only improve the country
No, get out of the blue states. We risk the entire republic by trying to hold on to them. We must consolidate what we have and then fight them for it on the battlefield, we can't win in the deep state against the deep state. You will damn everyone that way.
I agree. I think the Patriots should secede, but then declare war against the other country and take all their land back again.
Manifest destiny, morherfucker.