This is so simple to understand, and it's why I don't believe the bullshit about the SCOTUS dismissal being some sort of "hint" to try again. Texas DID have standing, and any layman can see that.
It's time we red states and counties join together, form a Union, remove the current corrupt establishment from power, and reform it with true constitutionalists in every position.
I read an interesting article... "Standing" was made up in the last 100 years... Basically as a way to not take cases that the courts didn't want to take a side in.
As not an Attorney, and furthest thing from it (PhD Stats), I feel like standing is a joke. I do not know as I said I am not an attorney, but to throw a case away like they did today when America is split 50/50 and none of the lower courts want to touch any of the cases brought, I feel like it does a great disservice to our country. Every case thus far has been dismissed due to standing. Ohh you sued before the election... No damages, dismissed standing... Ohh you sued after? nope shoulda brought this up before the election, dismissed standing.
Once again, I don't know but I feel like SCOTUS should have heard it as it involved 4 states acting unconstitutionally that affected an election for federal office.
Exactly. Judges are using the technicalities of law to avoid actually looking at the evidence and taking a tough stand, even thought the result of these dismissals is to deny the constitutional rights of the whole nation to free and fair elections.
It's maddening.
I know Trump and his team have other legal avenues left to pursue, but I'm feeling the ticking clock very acutely.
It's not even technicalities. It's just mental gymnastics and word salad to avoid the real rational and logical conclusion that should have been made here. Their argument puts enough of a spin on things that they can fool the "average" person who won't think twice - but upon scrutiny it is easily torn to shreds.
When states joined the union they agreed that elections of their common federal government would be subject to certain common rules, checks, and balances. SCOTUS basically said the way one state runs their elections is not the business of any other state, EVEN WHEN it's in violation of this agreement.
It is also a question of Original Jurisdiction vs. Appellate Jurisdiction.
TX seeking original jurisdiction would have allowed SCOTUS to review evidence. Appellate jurisdiction, which would be where Trump's cases would end up, won't.
The core issue is two fold. One is the election fraud and the evidence therein and the second is violations of the constitution via constitutional powers being usurped by branches of the state governments.
So far, none of those issues have been actually reviewed and decided on.
That's exactly right. The SC does not want to deal with the personal and political blowback of taking a stand, so they've refused to hear the case on a technicality.
Fundamentally, what this does is, it enshrines "one rule for me, one rule for thee" as a legal principle. It says that entire states can shred the Constitution and other states can't do anything about it. So what does the Constitution mean now? Practically, it means nothing.
One thought that occurs to me, it opens up a huge can of worms for liberals because what's to stop red states from rejecting all gun control laws, or banning illegal immigrants, or confiscating all properties of big tech companies, or banning the FBI from their borders on the grounds that the FBI is a traitor organization? Well nothing, pretty much, from what I can see. If lawlessness is the left's game plan now, well, let's see if TWO can play.
They don't dismiss cases because they don't want to "look at the evidence," they dismiss cases because they follow the law and the law is technical. If you don't have standing, to hear your case would be illegal.
Number one: SCOTUS should have heard this case because it involves the most sacred right as an American citizen: the right to vote. And to expect that vote to be counted in a fair and ethical manner. That you are entitled to one vote, and only one vote, and one that shouldn’t be stolen from you. AND that the ballot you cast is counted for the person you voted for. Number two: To hear the election fraud and allow Trump to take office in 2021. As much as we want Trump in office, number one is the most important reason and SCOTUS should have stepped up to the plate
The lawsuit had so much merit, it is crazy to me they wouldn't hear it based on that alone. Seems like standing was solved by adding Trump and the electors clause... I just don't get it
Funny... the situation they describe involves outrage after 20k vote lead for Trump evaporates the next day. Close, they only missed the actual total by 680k.
To be fair, this was written before corona. This goes to show what an evil genius move it was to keep the pandemic scare alive for an extra 40 weeks after, "two-weeks to flatten the curve."
So standing is a weapon to use to .... deny a case the judge/panel doesn't want to take, or widened to accept a case they want to take (ie when the claimant is one they "favor")
Just do it. Republicans need this because I don't feel like staying in a losing party. I'm going wherever will fight with me.
You guys make Trump fight for you.
Antifa at least puts themselves on the line. It's why Trump's having such a hard time. You all are way too comfortable. i hope this lights a fire under your asses, if not you deserve to lose and Antifa deserves to win. They actually work for it.
Literally Antifa is achieving the merit-based "American Dream" more effectively than so called real Americans.
ANTIFA is taking big risks and working their asses off, getting mocked and ridiculed for it, yet coming out ahead. Just like any other successful American business. You guys are sitting on your asses and hoping your "King" will take care of it. Bunch of faggots must think you're in Britain again.
I don't agree and they way you present it seems to be the other way round. ANTIFA is a bunch of lost individuals behind masks that are exploited by a cult with clear organisation and tremendous funds. The real Americans are the ones who are working their asses off while getting mocked and ridiculed for it. We might not always come out ahead, but we will PREVAIL. In this day and age, managing to not be a loser, starting a family and being a decent parent to your kids while protecting them from destroying their own lives in this shitstorm is a mega achievement and what the USA is actually made of.
Being pissed off about the traitors in our midst (RINOs) is one thing, but shitting on all other 'pedes for it isn't the way to react.
Don't fall for the bait. User Thomas Paine says above that all law is made up. Yes, but when it's applied to YOU it's VERY REAL. So, it's one thing to be enraged at the injustice and another to get crazy about it. When we were bombed at Pearl Harbor, we didn't lose our shit and run in the streets wildly because a bunch of fanatics blindsided us. We STEELED UP and made them PAY THE PRICE by the time it all ended.
Mr. Paine makes a lot of sense. The problem is that the Left is organized (community organizers) and have started training their stooges (in our schools) for a couple generations. They have built up their infrastructure and have used it to strike us now. They have their minions in public office and in the courts. If we try to defend ourselves, the courts will convict US and not the people attacking us. Just look what happened to Kyle and others. Many people may intend to fight back, but would not tell people about it in a public forum. All I will say is that it is time to know who your friends and neighbors are.
I mean, if it's random joe schmo taking a case, obviously the SCOTUS cannot take every single one...
But how can you possibly deny case by 20 states... there's literally no other possible alternative for them to seek remedy, so what exactly are they telling Texas?
They will think about 'standing' only twice once a couple cars burn in front of the court and bullets fly through the air. They decided for themselves & the easy way out. Only once they feel the violence that will change. Thats why BLM was eventually successful.
And thats why they left the merits in place. The did not rule on the merits just standing. That means if these state cases by Trump have their evidence filed they would hear them. Its not really over until January 6th.
We are fucked because we have taken the side of "law and order" using the "police" now we cannot form any uprising because the "police" will be enforcing "law and order" and so we have backed ourselves into a corner. We can get now immediate release through the court systems and our own armed goons under the premise of "enforcing the law" will keep us from even taking a stand. I do not think the military would go up against and armed militia and attack them. I do think the police however would use force if necessary and a war between the right and the police is not what we need. We need a war with all of the fraudulent politicians in Washington that have long not served the general interests of the American people.
For too long, the Dems have exploited the farmers, ranchers and other blue collar workers in states like CA, IL, MI, et al.
As a side note, I was talking to my cousin about moving to someplace like Decatur, AL. And she said to me, "small town, small minds." She's not even remotely aware that Decatur is home to some of brightest rocket scientists and engineers.
What? Give up, then? Sorry, I won't. We fight harder in the face of this injustice. Yeah, it's bad, but we would not have a country if the impossible were really impossible. England was the most powerful country in the world, and patriots did the impossible. Soldiers without boots or so much as shoes subsisted on an iron will at valley forge and still won a war against a fully funded British military.
The system is rigged, and so what? We beat it in 2016. We will beat it again. It is never over. Stand beside me, and do not despair. We have the fight of our lives on our hands. Our contingency if we do not win or fight militarily is subversion of communism. Spread our ideas like a cure to this cancer trying to eat our world from the inside out.
13 people created a study group in China and spread their communism from there, taking over an entire country. 70+ million Americans can think of better ideas than commies. Our ideas are better than theirs. Now let's get out there and win!
I am going to teach my children that communism is evil. I will die proclaiming it if I must. I will tell others. I will influence them for a good and righteous cause. What do you mean what will I win? Freedom! It is my birthright as an American. I stake my claim, and will not give it up. Stake yours now as well. Where will I go? To Heaven one day, and before my Creator I will be able to answer that I did what was right on this earth. I will speak out against evil like I do every day. I am a practical man, and I am inspired by what America has done for the world. Laugh me to scorn, but I am unafraid of what awaits me. I hate what has happened, but I will not be silent.
Yeah, that's a good internet speech, but it doesn't answer my questions. Either the President is going to be re-inaugurated on 1/20, or he isn't. One of those two things is gonna happen. When you said "let's get out there and win!," I thought you meant, you know, actually winning. I'm glad your gonna teach your kids communism is wrong, for real, but that's not the actual winning most of us have in mind.
I didnt know how to fight before Trump. Now I do. It has never been more clear. Good leadership is what I was as taught. I will lead whomever I can. Influence is my goal.
Every time I hear someone bandie this concept around, I just shake my head realising these people have no idea how long a trans-Atlantic boat trip takes.
America is not her courts, her elections, her politicians, or even her documents (Constitution/Declaration). All of these things are worth fighting to defend. But America is her people. You and me? The patriots who love all those things about her? We are America. She will never die because of being corrupted in every ostensible way unless her people give up on her. Our ideals are too strong. We will fight for liberty. Join me, do not scoff at me. Ours is a worthy cause, and the only hope for the world. I will die before I give up on this country. God above will reward the righteous who persevere.
Judges accept all cases then change the definition of words to decide in favor of Lefty causes.
Traditional values like votes, honesty, merit, free speech, fair press, and other things, are all but eliminated.
Lawlessness, chaos, identity politics, globalism is all that matters to courts, law enforcement (cops, fbi, foj,...), government admins, corporations, schools, media, sports, Hollywood, and the rest of them.
That's what all republican states should do. Just send their electoral votes to be counted. Then call a stop to counting when biden leads. Lock out all of the Democrats and Never Trumpers. States send in extra votes over the course of a month. Not let Dems or NTs see the actual votes Then watch the heads explode and scream how unfair it is and that the country is being stolen.
We the People gave them Original Jurisdiction band judicial authority over disputes between States and they cowered. They are not useful or relevant anymore. When they declare the Constitution is useless they too become useless.
the fight for slavery was mostly a discussion between elites. Soldiers on both sides didn't really care about the issue.
Although there were opposing views even in the Union States,[28][29] most Northern soldiers were mostly indifferent on the subject of slavery
In particular, Southerners feared a repeat of "the horrors of Santo Domingo", in which nearly all white people – including men, women, children, and even many sympathetic to abolition – were killed after the successful slave revolt in Haiti.
Slavery is seen as the main topic of contention in the civil war, because in modern day America, racial conflict is made the center of everything.
The secession movement began literally a week after the constitution was ratified. The nullification crisis concerning import taxes placed on South Carolina occurred decades before the fight over slavery which at its core is the fight for the right to secede from the union entirely.
Except this time around, technology is equal on both sides. THe North embraced networking and communication protocols via morse code transmissions while the South did not. This time around, which side has the weaponized autism and which side has the NPC puppets that do whatever Facebook/Youtube/Twitter tells them?
It's the holidays, my man. I just finished traveling across the country, and am spending most of my free time with family. Just spent all day with my mother helping her around the house for the holidays. I'm trying to keep up with all of the news and happenings while not taking away time from my family. I'm not reading a rambling post about my inexistence upset that I used my nickname from Afghanistan for a user name.
Do they want us to take things into our own hands? Cause that's how it seems. They were scared of BLM protests of trannies and soy boys. They have a whole world of hurt coming their way if they keep this up
I frankly I say we take out scotus and then Obama first to send the message. Then once all the dems are horrified thats when we get rid of the media and then they'll be in the dark, scared like that faggot retards we know they really are.
They won't ever arrest Obama. But they'll torture Trump if they ever get their hands on him you bet. They deserve every bullet coming to them if you ask me. Blind fools. If you're too stupid to figure out abortion is wrong you shouldn't even be allowed to vote because we know you'll just cheat and ballot stuff and you're corrupt judges you are friends with will cheat in your president.
If the election isn't handed to Trump, the only way we can save it is with bullets im convinced. I'm ready to start shooting racist trans bigots. They should have been locked into the padded rooms years ago, not put in charge of the world. Fuck that. Either Trump gets in or this civil war is going to turn into gunfights I. The streets. Either way its coming. Biden gets in and we have to save the republic. Trump gets in and we have to save the republic. The democrats have truly fucked the world and im ready for them to finally face judgment once and for all to be honest with you. And I used to be a Democrat. I know all their shit ideas.
Well... they cheated and “won” per the Supreme Court. How about we just say no? What’s the difference now? To quote the Queen, “At this point what difference does it make?”
I concur. The closest I have found to a reasonable explanation for not taking the case is that there is no harm yet because electoral college hasn't voted.
The courts up and down the line being able to just say there's no standing without hearing these cases is what's going to force the military to step in or the people to rebel.
It was purely on standing. Make of that what you may, but the reading of tea leaves with these things get a bit out of hand.
What I take from it falls somewhere between the court saying "Not strong enough, try again" and "Fuck you." With a slight leaning towards the latter considering disputes between states originate in the court and this is about a presidential election.
The 'standing' of Texas seemed pretty clear in that states disregarded the constitution to elect the presidential candidate they wanted. In a system where the states have agreed how this works, that is serious harm and there's no other court for Texas to go to.
I would hate to teach constitutional law after this fiasco...
Well, the answer is that original jurisdiction would only apply to Texas. Trump has standing but if it's no longer a dispute between states it has to be introduced in a lower court and appealed to the SC.
But the SC by avoiding one Pandora's box has inadvertently potentially opened another. States that will have disputes will be wary to go to the SC from this point forward.
I don't know that that is true, this isn't the first dispute between states that's been denied, it's just the first of this kind. The SC will remain the only choice they have. In 1876 Democrats beat the shit out of black voters to make sure Tilden won. The states didn't sue one another to enforce their laws, instead it was a brokered deal in Congress to decide what electors to reject. There are lots of similarities with this election.
I agree this situation is unique and that maybe SC didn't want to open Pandora's Box but have opened another can of worms.
Disputes between multiple states regarding pollution for example isn't new. If State A violates the Clean Air Act other States should have the right to sue State A even if they are not the injured party or a neighboring state to the polluting State A.
Its like saying "well you didn't cheat but Michigan did and thats fine, accept who they are cheating to make your president or else you hate America"
They literally bend over backwards to give the democrats literally everything they demand and the. We literally have to kill ourselves in order to even hope anyone hears us. Yeah, I'm ready for this to go hot frankly. These dems need to learn their place for once. They're so used to treating everyone else like slaves I say we enslave them so they finally know how it feels. So now its totally legal to stuff ballots, I say we execute anyone who stops us from stuffing ballots for treason. Let's play the dems game back at them. They print 600k fake votes, and run mass brainwashing campaigns to push that they are legitimate, we should be doing the same thing.
Oh right, we get imprisoned for cheating. We lose everything for cheating. Democrats get promotions, they get famous, they get everything. Lock them up already or you're going to be on the wrong end of the Civil War you government morons! You're not going to win no matter how much you think you will. God always wins.
I'm no legal expert, nor even american but since it's the state legislature that choses the electors being send, why don't the legislators of these states object the electors being send?
The legislators don't want to be culpable for the unrest or a second Trump term. The hearings alone have exposed how many Republicans were actually corrupt or rino's.
SCOTUS basically said state judiciaries can pass unconstitutional election laws without going through the legislature. Does this precedent mean that state courts can legislate mandatory voter ID, paper ballot voting and tell the rest of the country to fuck off?
Scotus belongs in prison. To them up is down. Good is evil and evil good. Act probably isn't prolife at all. Probably just another Democrat like the rest. These morons don't even realize their own ideas already are coming back and killing themselves. How have so many people not woke up yet? They think all is normal while everyone puts masks on and chops their kids genitalia off. Anyone who doesn't see the insanity of the democrat party is a blind fool, a joke. I pray for them. They're going to need it where they're going
My federal taxes go to other states in the form of Federal aid.
These states that let my vote be canceled and changed the outcome of the Presidential election makes me taxed with out representation since those states can decide the outcome of my chosen representative.
Yep. Hubby and I are not trying to increase our income into net tax paying status again. COVID killed the business, and we know how to live simply. So that is the route we are taking, along with other things. I would rather live in our camper and not pay the feds another dime after this shit.
Yes. Unlike a democratic politician selling secrets and influence and rigging elections if I don't pay my income or property tax the government will launch a full force investigation and send guys with guns to my home to arrest me.
yep basically they said EXACTLy THAT. so you know what, texas and other states who joined the lawsuit with texas, should MAKE SURE the elections happen IN THEIR TERMS that will FAVOUR THEM. FAVOUR CONSERVATIVES AND REPUBLICANS and fuck everyone else.
Scotus casually trying to force half of America to accept the blatant fraud. Total morons should be kicked out of scotus not given life long appointments. Yeah that's totally not a massive illegal power grab if ive ever seen one
its a blue county smooth brain faggot. Dipshit is to god damned stupid to realize that not even commies can live in the blue utopias they created for themselves. Which is why they can't stop flooding the nice, livable red states
Good thing there's no such thing as blue states. There's just cities that become so corrupt they can install Communists. Have fun being locked in cement covered shitholes surrounded by people you have relied on all your life and never bothered to understand why until you tried to force Communism on them.
No, you really don't. Even with rampant election fraud America is dark red aside from pockets of corrupt Communists. Go educate yourself before looking like such a fool, lmfao!
I read an interesting article... "Standing" was made up in the last 100 years... Basically as a way to not take cases that the courts didn't want to take a side in.
Is Texas truly injured yet? Would they not suffer injury IF the "fraudlent" electors meet and certify their fraud federally. At the moment is it not the local state legislatures that have been injured by disregard to obey the law...maybe i am wrong but it seems like this case being thrown out is a technicality. Other cases are at scotus and we will know more soon....
The Supreme Court completely and utterly failed America. Venezuela style elections are now the law of the land. We'll never see another honest election. Once again Dems are rewarded by the TDS courts for their crooked behavior.
In lawyer speak they say that there were too many steps between A and B for Texas to prove injury (which, we all know, is pure faggotry).
However, Trump can bring personal suit against Biden and has done so already, Those cases are the ones that meet the criteria for standing more easily. That's why the last time this sorta happened it was Bush v. Gore, and not Texas et al vs. Florida.
“Lack of evidence! Baseless accusations! categorically untrue!” These were coordinated attack code words pre-planned and spewed by the fake news on uneducated masses and their followers. Beating everyone over the head with it. Gaslighting.
We will never trust our elections again, most definitely in the Treasonous Four states. Add in Nevada and Arizona too. Never. Again. And where was the rest of the GOP and RINOs besides the 106 that joined the Texas suit? Elections have consequences, you faggots. I don’t want to hear them and the silent ones bitch about Biden on January 21st. I’m still holding onto some hope though, waiting for a Christmas miracle from Santa Pede. Please come down my chimney and deliver.
As an AriZonan, I'm angry we got fucked first. That's the great thing about FAFO, CHY-NA is gonna FIND OUT TRUMP WOOON 2020!! "when you are strong, appear weak & viceversa"
CCP threats and bribes aside, I'm trying to understand what SCOTUS viewpoint would even be here from a strictly legal standpoint... is it that the United States of Fraud's acts didn't cause damages to Texas as an individual state directly? 🤔
That I can almost see, but still think is extremely cucky and shitty. It seems a little pedantic to deny it just cause
it wasn't Trump v. Bideng or Trump v. USF on the filing, cause it's the same goddamn case in the end.
That I'm reserving the remaining 1% of my judgment for when I see if they cuck or not on any Trump v. ____ cases. It's important to have hope, so maybe they need to see a (somehow) even clearer case of "These states' cuckery directly harmed me, the rightful POTUS" filed by the man himself.... I'm not saying I have a lot of hope, but whatever.
This is so simple to understand, and it's why I don't believe the bullshit about the SCOTUS dismissal being some sort of "hint" to try again. Texas DID have standing, and any layman can see that.
It's time we red states and counties join together, form a Union, remove the current corrupt establishment from power, and reform it with true constitutionalists in every position.
I read an interesting article... "Standing" was made up in the last 100 years... Basically as a way to not take cases that the courts didn't want to take a side in.
Have a link? I would be interested to learn more on that
https://t.co/zA3P7lOi7S?amp=1
As not an Attorney, and furthest thing from it (PhD Stats), I feel like standing is a joke. I do not know as I said I am not an attorney, but to throw a case away like they did today when America is split 50/50 and none of the lower courts want to touch any of the cases brought, I feel like it does a great disservice to our country. Every case thus far has been dismissed due to standing. Ohh you sued before the election... No damages, dismissed standing... Ohh you sued after? nope shoulda brought this up before the election, dismissed standing.
Once again, I don't know but I feel like SCOTUS should have heard it as it involved 4 states acting unconstitutionally that affected an election for federal office.
That's my take.
Exactly. Judges are using the technicalities of law to avoid actually looking at the evidence and taking a tough stand, even thought the result of these dismissals is to deny the constitutional rights of the whole nation to free and fair elections.
It's maddening.
I know Trump and his team have other legal avenues left to pursue, but I'm feeling the ticking clock very acutely.
It's not even technicalities. It's just mental gymnastics and word salad to avoid the real rational and logical conclusion that should have been made here. Their argument puts enough of a spin on things that they can fool the "average" person who won't think twice - but upon scrutiny it is easily torn to shreds.
When states joined the union they agreed that elections of their common federal government would be subject to certain common rules, checks, and balances. SCOTUS basically said the way one state runs their elections is not the business of any other state, EVEN WHEN it's in violation of this agreement.
It's completely absurd.
It is also a question of Original Jurisdiction vs. Appellate Jurisdiction.
TX seeking original jurisdiction would have allowed SCOTUS to review evidence. Appellate jurisdiction, which would be where Trump's cases would end up, won't.
The core issue is two fold. One is the election fraud and the evidence therein and the second is violations of the constitution via constitutional powers being usurped by branches of the state governments.
So far, none of those issues have been actually reviewed and decided on.
That's exactly right. The SC does not want to deal with the personal and political blowback of taking a stand, so they've refused to hear the case on a technicality.
Fundamentally, what this does is, it enshrines "one rule for me, one rule for thee" as a legal principle. It says that entire states can shred the Constitution and other states can't do anything about it. So what does the Constitution mean now? Practically, it means nothing.
One thought that occurs to me, it opens up a huge can of worms for liberals because what's to stop red states from rejecting all gun control laws, or banning illegal immigrants, or confiscating all properties of big tech companies, or banning the FBI from their borders on the grounds that the FBI is a traitor organization? Well nothing, pretty much, from what I can see. If lawlessness is the left's game plan now, well, let's see if TWO can play.
They don't dismiss cases because they don't want to "look at the evidence," they dismiss cases because they follow the law and the law is technical. If you don't have standing, to hear your case would be illegal.
Number one: SCOTUS should have heard this case because it involves the most sacred right as an American citizen: the right to vote. And to expect that vote to be counted in a fair and ethical manner. That you are entitled to one vote, and only one vote, and one that shouldn’t be stolen from you. AND that the ballot you cast is counted for the person you voted for. Number two: To hear the election fraud and allow Trump to take office in 2021. As much as we want Trump in office, number one is the most important reason and SCOTUS should have stepped up to the plate
The right to choose your representatives.
Hope they did not forget these people are NOT our leaders; they are our employees.
So we the people have no voice?
Them's fightin' words.
What time do the hangings start?
Texas wasn't a voter in any of the states it sued.
The lawsuit had so much merit, it is crazy to me they wouldn't hear it based on that alone. Seems like standing was solved by adding Trump and the electors clause... I just don't get it
As not an attorney, have an upvote.
Thanks fren!!
That is no light read. Thanks for the link.
want a better read? check this out
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj
it is happening
Funny... the situation they describe involves outrage after 20k vote lead for Trump evaporates the next day. Close, they only missed the actual total by 680k.
To be fair, this was written before corona. This goes to show what an evil genius move it was to keep the pandemic scare alive for an extra 40 weeks after, "two-weeks to flatten the curve."
Time travelers!!!!!
Awesome, good write up.
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj
This is better even lol
Great link!
So standing is a weapon to use to .... deny a case the judge/panel doesn't want to take, or widened to accept a case they want to take (ie when the claimant is one they "favor")
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/dfbd/14305d0a07a25975a0960c3f297eddd42367.pdf
Robert barns talks about this a bit. All i know.
The most well spoken statement on the current state of things. Permission to copy and paste into other threads here ?
Just do it. Republicans need this because I don't feel like staying in a losing party. I'm going wherever will fight with me.
You guys make Trump fight for you.
Antifa at least puts themselves on the line. It's why Trump's having such a hard time. You all are way too comfortable. i hope this lights a fire under your asses, if not you deserve to lose and Antifa deserves to win. They actually work for it.
Literally Antifa is achieving the merit-based "American Dream" more effectively than so called real Americans.
ANTIFA is taking big risks and working their asses off, getting mocked and ridiculed for it, yet coming out ahead. Just like any other successful American business. You guys are sitting on your asses and hoping your "King" will take care of it. Bunch of faggots must think you're in Britain again.
I don't agree and they way you present it seems to be the other way round. ANTIFA is a bunch of lost individuals behind masks that are exploited by a cult with clear organisation and tremendous funds. The real Americans are the ones who are working their asses off while getting mocked and ridiculed for it. We might not always come out ahead, but we will PREVAIL. In this day and age, managing to not be a loser, starting a family and being a decent parent to your kids while protecting them from destroying their own lives in this shitstorm is a mega achievement and what the USA is actually made of. Being pissed off about the traitors in our midst (RINOs) is one thing, but shitting on all other 'pedes for it isn't the way to react. Don't fall for the bait. User Thomas Paine says above that all law is made up. Yes, but when it's applied to YOU it's VERY REAL. So, it's one thing to be enraged at the injustice and another to get crazy about it. When we were bombed at Pearl Harbor, we didn't lose our shit and run in the streets wildly because a bunch of fanatics blindsided us. We STEELED UP and made them PAY THE PRICE by the time it all ended.
The founding fathers were americans.
The people here don't qualify as keyboard warriors anymore.
Mr. Paine makes a lot of sense. The problem is that the Left is organized (community organizers) and have started training their stooges (in our schools) for a couple generations. They have built up their infrastructure and have used it to strike us now. They have their minions in public office and in the courts. If we try to defend ourselves, the courts will convict US and not the people attacking us. Just look what happened to Kyle and others. Many people may intend to fight back, but would not tell people about it in a public forum. All I will say is that it is time to know who your friends and neighbors are.
We need the call from The Leader to start global, Pro-American uprising all across the world.
COME ON, TRUMP, JUST SAY IT !!!
It is kind of weird actually.
I mean, if it's random joe schmo taking a case, obviously the SCOTUS cannot take every single one...
But how can you possibly deny case by 20 states... there's literally no other possible alternative for them to seek remedy, so what exactly are they telling Texas?
SCOTUS is saying -
" fuck all this Constitution bullshit - we live in DC and we are scared of antifa if we displease them.
We have no fear of suburban patriots with all their guns and ammo that they will never use. "
They will think about 'standing' only twice once a couple cars burn in front of the court and bullets fly through the air. They decided for themselves & the easy way out. Only once they feel the violence that will change. Thats why BLM was eventually successful.
Britain thought that too, once upon a time.
And thats why they left the merits in place. The did not rule on the merits just standing. That means if these state cases by Trump have their evidence filed they would hear them. Its not really over until January 6th.
You need to suffer an injury to seek a remedy. Texas had no injury.
A biden presidency injures america, texas is in america....
It is when the legal arguments made are those of the constitution being violated and a fraudulent election you fucking retard.
I was being facetious. It's obvious that the harm is unequal application of the law.
Can someone delete this troll
Hope youre having fun
Yup, there are many politicians today who need to suffer an injury. Good thinking patriot.
it is simply a legal name fraud American BAR(British Accreditation Registry) scam.
Persons lost at sea has no standing - ever. Act of 1666 (no coincidences).
Isn't that the Courts role? To take a stand based on evidence? I think they didn't do their job!
This is the way.
We can't co-exist peacefully with these faggots.
We try to play by the rules. They don’t. Simple as that.
It’s past time that we don’t either.
Exactly. Sometimes in life to you have to put down a rabid dog, even though you once loved it with all your heart. That time is upon us.
He was a big, ugly, slick-haired yeller dog.
Goodbye, Old Screamer.
Apparently downvoters haven't seen Old Yeller.
Using the 2nd amendment is literally playing by the rules though, at the point in the game we now find ourselves
True story.
We are fucked because we have taken the side of "law and order" using the "police" now we cannot form any uprising because the "police" will be enforcing "law and order" and so we have backed ourselves into a corner. We can get now immediate release through the court systems and our own armed goons under the premise of "enforcing the law" will keep us from even taking a stand. I do not think the military would go up against and armed militia and attack them. I do think the police however would use force if necessary and a war between the right and the police is not what we need. We need a war with all of the fraudulent politicians in Washington that have long not served the general interests of the American people.
No, the difference is one side is fighting for lawlessness and chaos... the other side is fighting to restore law and order and justice.
Huge difference so don’t get confused.
Agreed. But rather than doing it by state, do it by county. Two nations - one with blue counties and the other with red counties.
I want to see these big cities starve and come begging for food.
Energy is also produced in the rural red counties. No fuel for cars, homes, or their body.
If Trump does not raise his hand at high noon 1/20, my home is registering Independant
Yes. THIS is the way!
For too long, the Dems have exploited the farmers, ranchers and other blue collar workers in states like CA, IL, MI, et al.
As a side note, I was talking to my cousin about moving to someplace like Decatur, AL. And she said to me, "small town, small minds." She's not even remotely aware that Decatur is home to some of brightest rocket scientists and engineers.
I fucking hate liberals.
Eh San Fran would ship from China. All they eat is soy anyway.
It's not the cities.
It's a 'relative' small amount of criminals that RIG THE VOTE.
It's just that they can get away with it in cities as it's more anonymous.
I would say I agree midgetpornrocks but somehow that would look bad out of context
I’m an American weapons are my religion. This is the way
point taken. counterpoint: why was DJT45's first address from the resolute desk after scotus “dismissal” NOT a concession speech?
SCOTUS and all the nations courts say otherwise.
I think he meant this nation's courts, but they can die in hellfire too.
I wasn't speaking other nations. My autocorrect didn't populate the '.
Go on. Elaborate further
To put it another way, we have taxation without representation.
What? Give up, then? Sorry, I won't. We fight harder in the face of this injustice. Yeah, it's bad, but we would not have a country if the impossible were really impossible. England was the most powerful country in the world, and patriots did the impossible. Soldiers without boots or so much as shoes subsisted on an iron will at valley forge and still won a war against a fully funded British military.
The system is rigged, and so what? We beat it in 2016. We will beat it again. It is never over. Stand beside me, and do not despair. We have the fight of our lives on our hands. Our contingency if we do not win or fight militarily is subversion of communism. Spread our ideas like a cure to this cancer trying to eat our world from the inside out. 13 people created a study group in China and spread their communism from there, taking over an entire country. 70+ million Americans can think of better ideas than commies. Our ideas are better than theirs. Now let's get out there and win!
Cool, agreed. By "out there," where do you mean? Where exactly are you going to go?
"And win!" Cool, also agreed. When you get where you're going, what exactly are you going to do to win?
Because if "out there" means the internet, and win!" means "type harder!", then I don't think we're gonna get anywhere or do anything.
I have very high energy for real answers to these kinds of questions.
I am going to teach my children that communism is evil. I will die proclaiming it if I must. I will tell others. I will influence them for a good and righteous cause. What do you mean what will I win? Freedom! It is my birthright as an American. I stake my claim, and will not give it up. Stake yours now as well. Where will I go? To Heaven one day, and before my Creator I will be able to answer that I did what was right on this earth. I will speak out against evil like I do every day. I am a practical man, and I am inspired by what America has done for the world. Laugh me to scorn, but I am unafraid of what awaits me. I hate what has happened, but I will not be silent.
Yeah, that's a good internet speech, but it doesn't answer my questions. Either the President is going to be re-inaugurated on 1/20, or he isn't. One of those two things is gonna happen. When you said "let's get out there and win!," I thought you meant, you know, actually winning. I'm glad your gonna teach your kids communism is wrong, for real, but that's not the actual winning most of us have in mind.
What are you just a glowie?
I like how you think
I didnt know how to fight before Trump. Now I do. It has never been more clear. Good leadership is what I was as taught. I will lead whomever I can. Influence is my goal.
Every time I hear someone bandie this concept around, I just shake my head realising these people have no idea how long a trans-Atlantic boat trip takes.
America is not her courts, her elections, her politicians, or even her documents (Constitution/Declaration). All of these things are worth fighting to defend. But America is her people. You and me? The patriots who love all those things about her? We are America. She will never die because of being corrupted in every ostensible way unless her people give up on her. Our ideals are too strong. We will fight for liberty. Join me, do not scoff at me. Ours is a worthy cause, and the only hope for the world. I will die before I give up on this country. God above will reward the righteous who persevere.
Yep. This is truth. And I am with you, as is my hubby. heading for deep red coun try as soon as possible.
You get it. I just hope more patriots wake the fuck up and take the red pill you're dispensing.
Judges accept all cases then change the definition of words to decide in favor of Lefty causes.
Traditional values like votes, honesty, merit, free speech, fair press, and other things, are all but eliminated.
Lawlessness, chaos, identity politics, globalism is all that matters to courts, law enforcement (cops, fbi, foj,...), government admins, corporations, schools, media, sports, Hollywood, and the rest of them.
This is why they get away with it. Defund government permanently.
^^^^^ THIS! What infuriates me is that we pay for their high on the hog lifestyle while they fuck us!
HERE’S WHAT HAPPENS NEXT
https://thedonald.win/p/11R4Nmf976/ok-pedes-scotus-option-is-a-bust/
Submit 10,000 electoral votes for Trump.
All states that just got flipped the bird by SCOTUS should submit 1776.
That's what all republican states should do. Just send their electoral votes to be counted. Then call a stop to counting when biden leads. Lock out all of the Democrats and Never Trumpers. States send in extra votes over the course of a month. Not let Dems or NTs see the actual votes Then watch the heads explode and scream how unfair it is and that the country is being stolen.
How?
Last minute change of rules say that I can submit 1000 electoral votes for my state. Precedent and laws be damned.
Covid is still going on, so justified!
What if all the states that feel they were wronged don’t send their electors? The Biden wouldn’t reach 270.
So we send 270 electors per state because SCOTUS doesn't think we matter.
At this point fuck their laws and their court is illegitimate.
Constitution gives the SCOTUS power. The Constitution doesn’t matter to them. So their power doesn't matter to me. You must have a shitty life.
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We the People gave them Original Jurisdiction band judicial authority over disputes between States and they cowered. They are not useful or relevant anymore. When they declare the Constitution is useless they too become useless.
The wrong side won the civil war....
No slavery needed to die.
The civil war wasn't about slavery.
It was more than that, look up the nullification crisis
Prove it
It was about the states ability to sever from the federal compact. Slavery was just the easiest way to get people to die for each side.
Correct. States joined the union with the understanding that they could leave if they so desired.
the fight for slavery was mostly a discussion between elites. Soldiers on both sides didn't really care about the issue.
Slavery is seen as the main topic of contention in the civil war, because in modern day America, racial conflict is made the center of everything.
So one side was fighting to keep slaves. And one side was fighting to free slaves. But it wasn’t about slaves. Wow
No, one side was trying to leave the union and the other was trying to force them to stay.
It's is like saying Brexit is about Muslims.
It's not, but that's how they got the population fired up.
In <75 years Muslims will be calling for reparations (sharia law) there too.
The secession movement began literally a week after the constitution was ratified. The nullification crisis concerning import taxes placed on South Carolina occurred decades before the fight over slavery which at its core is the fight for the right to secede from the union entirely.
Lol, you believe the MSM lies about everything... EXCEPT THIS.
WOW.
slavery still exists
Slavery was dieing on its own.
Except this time around, technology is equal on both sides. THe North embraced networking and communication protocols via morse code transmissions while the South did not. This time around, which side has the weaponized autism and which side has the NPC puppets that do whatever Facebook/Youtube/Twitter tells them?
Progressive traitors. I'm a Loaded Liberal ready to rock and roll.
I'm not reading all of that.
Sign of a true NPC
It's the holidays, my man. I just finished traveling across the country, and am spending most of my free time with family. Just spent all day with my mother helping her around the house for the holidays. I'm trying to keep up with all of the news and happenings while not taking away time from my family. I'm not reading a rambling post about my inexistence upset that I used my nickname from Afghanistan for a user name.
What an elegent and thoughtful rebuttal.
Do they want us to take things into our own hands? Cause that's how it seems. They were scared of BLM protests of trannies and soy boys. They have a whole world of hurt coming their way if they keep this up
They havent begun to be scared yet
We will bring all their right wing terror they fantasize about, in Minecraft
I frankly I say we take out scotus and then Obama first to send the message. Then once all the dems are horrified thats when we get rid of the media and then they'll be in the dark, scared like that faggot retards we know they really are.
They won't ever arrest Obama. But they'll torture Trump if they ever get their hands on him you bet. They deserve every bullet coming to them if you ask me. Blind fools. If you're too stupid to figure out abortion is wrong you shouldn't even be allowed to vote because we know you'll just cheat and ballot stuff and you're corrupt judges you are friends with will cheat in your president.
If the election isn't handed to Trump, the only way we can save it is with bullets im convinced. I'm ready to start shooting racist trans bigots. They should have been locked into the padded rooms years ago, not put in charge of the world. Fuck that. Either Trump gets in or this civil war is going to turn into gunfights I. The streets. Either way its coming. Biden gets in and we have to save the republic. Trump gets in and we have to save the republic. The democrats have truly fucked the world and im ready for them to finally face judgment once and for all to be honest with you. And I used to be a Democrat. I know all their shit ideas.
Not Thomas and Alito. They at least said they'd hear it out.
The two of them can be Court Jesters in the New World Order. The rest can be hung by summary trial.
Sweet, I like clowns.
Amen
In Minecraft *
Well... they cheated and “won” per the Supreme Court. How about we just say no? What’s the difference now? To quote the Queen, “At this point what difference does it make?”
BLM were their militant army. They were trying to intimidate us.
I concur. The closest I have found to a reasonable explanation for not taking the case is that there is no harm yet because electoral college hasn't voted.
The courts up and down the line being able to just say there's no standing without hearing these cases is what's going to force the military to step in or the people to rebel.
Exactly the BS I was trying to point out. Thanks for the assist!
Yup.
This is what the lower courts did. This is what the SC may do as well.
It was purely on standing. Make of that what you may, but the reading of tea leaves with these things get a bit out of hand.
What I take from it falls somewhere between the court saying "Not strong enough, try again" and "Fuck you." With a slight leaning towards the latter considering disputes between states originate in the court and this is about a presidential election.
Tea leaves it is.
The 'standing' of Texas seemed pretty clear in that states disregarded the constitution to elect the presidential candidate they wanted. In a system where the states have agreed how this works, that is serious harm and there's no other court for Texas to go to.
I would hate to teach constitutional law after this fiasco...
Constitutional Law won't be on the curriculum anyway.
Yeah they need to find time for Transgender Studies 401 and Science of Soy 305.
Oh wow this should be a meme
Here's my issue: what about all the people that hopped on with this? For example, senators from Michigan/GA/PA. How do THEY not have standing?
I can see the argument that Texas does not have standing how Michigan performs their elections. Okay, how do Michiganders not have standing? Pure BS.
How does the President of the United States not have standing?
Why must the President of the United States make a separate filing?
Well, the answer is that original jurisdiction would only apply to Texas. Trump has standing but if it's no longer a dispute between states it has to be introduced in a lower court and appealed to the SC.
That is true.
But the SC by avoiding one Pandora's box has inadvertently potentially opened another. States that will have disputes will be wary to go to the SC from this point forward.
I don't know that that is true, this isn't the first dispute between states that's been denied, it's just the first of this kind. The SC will remain the only choice they have. In 1876 Democrats beat the shit out of black voters to make sure Tilden won. The states didn't sue one another to enforce their laws, instead it was a brokered deal in Congress to decide what electors to reject. There are lots of similarities with this election.
I agree this situation is unique and that maybe SC didn't want to open Pandora's Box but have opened another can of worms.
Disputes between multiple states regarding pollution for example isn't new. If State A violates the Clean Air Act other States should have the right to sue State A even if they are not the injured party or a neighboring state to the polluting State A.
Its like saying "well you didn't cheat but Michigan did and thats fine, accept who they are cheating to make your president or else you hate America"
They literally bend over backwards to give the democrats literally everything they demand and the. We literally have to kill ourselves in order to even hope anyone hears us. Yeah, I'm ready for this to go hot frankly. These dems need to learn their place for once. They're so used to treating everyone else like slaves I say we enslave them so they finally know how it feels. So now its totally legal to stuff ballots, I say we execute anyone who stops us from stuffing ballots for treason. Let's play the dems game back at them. They print 600k fake votes, and run mass brainwashing campaigns to push that they are legitimate, we should be doing the same thing.
Oh right, we get imprisoned for cheating. We lose everything for cheating. Democrats get promotions, they get famous, they get everything. Lock them up already or you're going to be on the wrong end of the Civil War you government morons! You're not going to win no matter how much you think you will. God always wins.
I'm no legal expert, nor even american but since it's the state legislature that choses the electors being send, why don't the legislators of these states object the electors being send?
The legislators don't want to be culpable for the unrest or a second Trump term. The hearings alone have exposed how many Republicans were actually corrupt or rino's.
That is unfortunate but it is their constitutional right after all: (
Except it's not a right to sign off on fraud.
It’s a hope. Will they have the guts?
GEOTUS was on this case, how the hell does he not have standing
SCOTUS would still stab him in the back
Yep, that is correct in this case.
SCOTUS basically said state judiciaries can pass unconstitutional election laws without going through the legislature. Does this precedent mean that state courts can legislate mandatory voter ID, paper ballot voting and tell the rest of the country to fuck off?
They literally denied that the Constitution means anything at all. They played themselves. Now they're irrelevant.
Abolishing the atf?
Scotus belongs in prison. To them up is down. Good is evil and evil good. Act probably isn't prolife at all. Probably just another Democrat like the rest. These morons don't even realize their own ideas already are coming back and killing themselves. How have so many people not woke up yet? They think all is normal while everyone puts masks on and chops their kids genitalia off. Anyone who doesn't see the insanity of the democrat party is a blind fool, a joke. I pray for them. They're going to need it where they're going
why not
My federal taxes go to other states in the form of Federal aid.
These states that let my vote be canceled and changed the outcome of the Presidential election makes me taxed with out representation since those states can decide the outcome of my chosen representative.
There for I should no longer pay my taxes ?
Yep. Hubby and I are not trying to increase our income into net tax paying status again. COVID killed the business, and we know how to live simply. So that is the route we are taking, along with other things. I would rather live in our camper and not pay the feds another dime after this shit.
You actually pay your taxes? Cringe.
Yes. Unlike a democratic politician selling secrets and influence and rigging elections if I don't pay my income or property tax the government will launch a full force investigation and send guys with guns to my home to arrest me.
Now you guys are starting to get it.
yep basically they said EXACTLy THAT. so you know what, texas and other states who joined the lawsuit with texas, should MAKE SURE the elections happen IN THEIR TERMS that will FAVOUR THEM. FAVOUR CONSERVATIVES AND REPUBLICANS and fuck everyone else.
Scotus casually trying to force half of America to accept the blatant fraud. Total morons should be kicked out of scotus not given life long appointments. Yeah that's totally not a massive illegal power grab if ive ever seen one
Seriously, what happens if in Texas the ONLY choice is a GOP candidate???
Reminder, we conservatives have more guns, and more support from the military NCOs and below, than your faction does.
Be careful with what you wish for.
its a blue county smooth brain faggot. Dipshit is to god damned stupid to realize that not even commies can live in the blue utopias they created for themselves. Which is why they can't stop flooding the nice, livable red states
The farmers would be fine without subsidies. They would just increase the prices and you would pay it or not eat.
Good thing there's no such thing as blue states. There's just cities that become so corrupt they can install Communists. Have fun being locked in cement covered shitholes surrounded by people you have relied on all your life and never bothered to understand why until you tried to force Communism on them.
No, you really don't. Even with rampant election fraud America is dark red aside from pockets of corrupt Communists. Go educate yourself before looking like such a fool, lmfao!
what?
Texas
And the South has actually started to industrialize quite well.
Dunkirk was not the end of World War Two, although it probably felt that way for the men on the boats as they pushed off from the French shore.
Whenever I think of the fight Trump is in right now, I am also reminded of George Washington.
As a general, he lost more battles than won. But he made sure to win the important ones to help this country win it's independence from Great Britain.
1776 or COMMUSNIM, CHOOSE NOIW.
I read an interesting article... "Standing" was made up in the last 100 years... Basically as a way to not take cases that the courts didn't want to take a side in.
Yep, they're pussies and want to pass the buck.
I have declared that the scotus no longer has any standing over me.
To add insult to injury, we literally paid for it in blood sweat and tees.
Let that sink in.
I have a hard time believing that the founders would have been ok with one state invading another, that's roundabout what happened here.
Fascinating times we are living through. I'm glad this is all in God's hands.
War.
They no longer have my consent.
I think realistically they don't want every election to end up at the supreme court. It's the most reasonable rationale.
Jokes on them. They are already irrelevant.
If you ask me, it means I have a cross state right to beat the shit out of treasonous pussies. Who's with me?
All political power rests in the barrel of a gun.
Is Texas truly injured yet? Would they not suffer injury IF the "fraudlent" electors meet and certify their fraud federally. At the moment is it not the local state legislatures that have been injured by disregard to obey the law...maybe i am wrong but it seems like this case being thrown out is a technicality. Other cases are at scotus and we will know more soon....
You're not wrong
I wonder if SCOTUS received any threats
If not yet, they will
Just send your entire state population as electoral delegates to the EC...
The Supreme Court completely and utterly failed America. Venezuela style elections are now the law of the land. We'll never see another honest election. Once again Dems are rewarded by the TDS courts for their crooked behavior.
SCOTUS: “but read muh legalese. It is compelling.”
7-2, Alito and Thomas said they should at least here it since it was original jurisdiction and they specifically did NOT comment on the merits.
In lawyer speak they say that there were too many steps between A and B for Texas to prove injury (which, we all know, is pure faggotry).
However, Trump can bring personal suit against Biden and has done so already, Those cases are the ones that meet the criteria for standing more easily. That's why the last time this sorta happened it was Bush v. Gore, and not Texas et al vs. Florida.
It's still gay, and SCOTUS are faggots.
It's only 3 steps...
1- PA and friends disregard constitution
2- That disregard led to biden meeting the EC threshold
3- Texas is harmed because the vote is not representative of the will of the people.
The only thing closer is if PA sued themselves
I'm thinking Texas needs to send 10,000 armed electors to "Congress."
Because, why the fuck not?
“Lack of evidence! Baseless accusations! categorically untrue!” These were coordinated attack code words pre-planned and spewed by the fake news on uneducated masses and their followers. Beating everyone over the head with it. Gaslighting.
We will never trust our elections again, most definitely in the Treasonous Four states. Add in Nevada and Arizona too. Never. Again. And where was the rest of the GOP and RINOs besides the 106 that joined the Texas suit? Elections have consequences, you faggots. I don’t want to hear them and the silent ones bitch about Biden on January 21st. I’m still holding onto some hope though, waiting for a Christmas miracle from Santa Pede. Please come down my chimney and deliver.
As an AriZonan, I'm angry we got fucked first. That's the great thing about FAFO, CHY-NA is gonna FIND OUT TRUMP WOOON 2020!! "when you are strong, appear weak & viceversa"
Nope. Prove me wrong.
CIVIL WAR IS UPON US
CCP threats and bribes aside, I'm trying to understand what SCOTUS viewpoint would even be here from a strictly legal standpoint... is it that the United States of Fraud's acts didn't cause damages to Texas as an individual state directly? 🤔
That I can almost see, but still think is extremely cucky and shitty. It seems a little pedantic to deny it just cause it wasn't Trump v. Bideng or Trump v. USF on the filing, cause it's the same goddamn case in the end.
That I'm reserving the remaining 1% of my judgment for when I see if they cuck or not on any Trump v. ____ cases. It's important to have hope, so maybe they need to see a (somehow) even clearer case of "These states' cuckery directly harmed me, the rightful POTUS" filed by the man himself.... I'm not saying I have a lot of hope, but whatever.
Send 1000 electors, NO RULES!
You were told the state of Texas doesnt have a standing
time to send 2000 electors to the electoral college lolx.
This was abundantly clear in the popular vote compact. That was months / years ago the GOP did nothing and neither did we.
Despite all the sabre rattling, I believe we will continue to do nothing.
The republic is dead. Long live our democracy.
Not if I have anything to say about it
The simple truth is - democracy in the USA is now officially dead.