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SnowflakeJuice -4 points ago +4 / -8

The fall of Rome was because Romans got fat and lazy and over-extended themselves forcing them to outsource their military to Germanic tribes. Essentially giving the gates of their city to their enemies.

Similar problem with Persia, they overextended themselves militarily and financially with their invasion of Greece.

As far as the fall of the Chinese dynasties, each was different, but the last Chinese Dynasty, the Qing Dynasty, was composed of foreigners from Mongolia, who invaded and subjugated the Hahn majority

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Krazykrash96 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup you are correct. In terms of both Persia and Rome, they extended very far and had all these provinces/governances (ie people with radically different cultural backgrounds and patriotic loyalties). As a result, both Rome and Persia failed to create an assimilated Roman/Persian "national" (i know they were empires, but I think the word still fits) identity throughout their empire. This means lack of cohesion in government and military which eventually led to both being wide open to attack. In the case of rome overwhelmingly outsourcing their military to germanic tribes, I believe that only reinforced the lack of national identity and cohesion across the Roman empire.

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SnowflakeJuice 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, when you subjugate people by force, there is no reason to expect those who they subjugate to welcome their rule. Rome wasn't the heroes many depict them as being. it was a militaristic oppressive Empire.

By most accounts, they did not have the most advanced civilization either. Carthage appears to have been more advanced than Rome. But they were destroyed when Rome caught them off-guard and Hannibal, with a majority of their army, was off in Spain when Rome attacked.

But the victors write the history

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Krazykrash96 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ya I'm not dispooooting any of that haha. I am simply saying that multiculturalism does not benefit national cohesion -- in fact it makes a nation more vulnerable to chaos and invasion.