Alex Jones was right again. [Edited because I can't verify this part ->. Also, the creator of the test said it should not be used for covid.] And possibly the guy is dead after challenging and insulting Fauci.
Dem governors lock down > Controlled opposition McConnell takes the blame for no covid relief > small businesses goes bankrupt > Amazon and big tech swoops in and takes control even more.
Both parties are in on it. Perdue has made millions from his stocks during covid. Chaos is good for him, he can buy and sell with his insider knowledge. Globalists in both the dem and repub party has had their hands in our pockets for a long time.
They are all desperate to get rid of Trump, the only one exposing the fraud on both sides. We need to be in the streets protesting.
I knew a guy, who claimed to be Tunisian, who disappeared about a week before 9/11. Just up and poof, no notice,
no nothing, gone. We worked at a food warehouse in central Indiana. Wasn't until about a month later when shock wore off that we said, "Hey, what happened to...?" I believe the manager contacted the EffBeeEye. Never heard anything else.
I have some inside knowledge on this. Several friends were congressional staff and worked in the WH during Bush 2. Al Qaeda was not hiding under every nook and cranny, but if you knew some of the shit we stopped from happening, you'd piss yourself. Having said that, FUCK THE PATRIOT ACT!
Every column was weakened by the impact and the high temperature of the fire. Was it hot enough to melt it? No, but it didn't need to be. At those temperatures steel loses half of its strength. Here's a guy with a forge to explain it, visually.
It was a cover-up, the biggest crime scene ever. The line was crossed, when instead of securing the scene, Neo-cons ordered the scene/evidence be destroyed and removed right-away.
yah the erosion of civil liberties and the constitution, to be replaced with medical authoritarian fascists. In China health officials can show up at your door and say you were contact traced to be in same location as someone who is positive, and therefore demand/order you to report to a centralized lockdown where you are essentially locked in a room with a bunch of other people some of this probably having covid. If you didn't have it before good chance you catch it then and it 'proves' they were right to contact trace and lock you down. Literally can have health officials target anyone and just no questions asked boss you out of your home straight into a death trap.
I think most people just have a herd mentality. Some sheep just can’t tell the difference between the wolf ready to feast and the sheepdog and shepherd keeping them safe.
Only real people are capable of good and evil at their core. The vast majority of normies are simply acted upon and repeat whatever they are programmed with.
people are literally excited to get the vaccine now so things can back to 'normal'. Its a mass psychological operation run with textbook feartactics. They have been priming the public for years now, each year or two they have a new flu scare.
but they did the exact opposite. This has red pilled so many and now no one trusts the government. Maybe they should have been a little more discreet when not following their own rules
COVID itself is real enough, but at least 95% of the damage to society was caused by an excessive, hysterical overreaction.
In the spring-summer 2020 period, COVID hysteria was knowingly pushed by the media and Democrats to damage DJT by killing the US economy, and also skew the economy in favor of large "cucked" corporations that Democrats effectively control. In several states, most notoriously NY, they also took the opportunity to literally murder Trump voters by deliberately introducing COVID into senior care facilities.
In the fall of 2020 and continuing to now, the continued lockdowns and shutdowns have a different objective: to prevent Trump supporters from going into the streets after the deep state stole the election for Biden. The actual morbidity due to COVID is small and is almost entirely in the very old who would be vulnerable to any respiratory virus, not just COVID.
As for the false positive tests, that is definitely a real issue (statistically it is impossible for them NOT to be happening especially given the well known issues with PCR), and simply functions as a useful tool to keep people scared, alienated and indoors while the coup proceeds.
No, "COVID-19" is not real. It's a mere construct of a non-specific set of non-specific symptoms associated with a hypothetical causal agent which has never been shown to exist or cause these symptoms.
There are no good statistics for "SARS-CoV-2" RT-PCR tests because there is no gold standard by which to determine the accuracy of tests or the infection rate in any tested group.
I don't understand what you mean by never been shown to exist. You can see COVID-19 viruses on the scanning and transmission electron microscope, and differentiate it from other similar viruses (like MERS-cov and SARS-cov) based on the specific nucleocapsid proteins and the spike protein coatings which gives them their name (the corona).
You can see COVID-19 viruses on the scanning and transmission electron microscope, and differentiate it from other similar viruses
No. What you can *see *are instrumental effects of electron microscopy which have never been positively identified with the theoretical construct of the "COVID-19 virus". That's never been done, in the first place, because this hypothesised entity has *never *been purified from an alleged host, never mind proved to cause disease in vivo in healthy organisms, and by purified I do not mean the totally impure gemisch that modern virology has given the name "isolate". You are merely interpreting what you are seeing in accord with the narrative of a research paradigm, and that paradigm's methodology lacks the epistemic power to prove its hypothesis.
based on the specific nucleocapsid proteins and the spike protein coatings which gives them their name (the corona).
This is purely a theoretical explanation of instrumental phenomena. Moreover, it is one thing to to give a chemical account of such phenomena; it is entirely another thing to identify them with an exogenous, infectious, disease-causing agent, much less the specific one being blamed for some set of symptoms.
I updooted you both, because this isn’t my area of expertise, but it this is exactly the type of debate that needs to be widely conducted, in public and in private scientific debates... and is precisely the kind of debate that the Leftist totalitarian media has shamefully, shamefully banned.
The sickness in our institutions > the sickness in our bloodstreams
First of all, I can see from your post that you are trying to apply Koch’s postulates, which were created for bacteria, to COVID-19, which is a virus - namely his second clause, that "that the micro-organism must be extracted and isolated from the diseased animal and subsequently grown in culture" for it to be verifiably proven.
These criteria however, were written in 1890, before the discovery of viruses, and are not a good measure of proving whether a virus does or does not exist.
Viruses, unlike bacteria, require host cells in which to replicate, so cannot be isolated from a host, as you say, in the same way Koch defined with bacteria. It would be wrong to look at COVID proof starting from this point and using this measure. This is because viruses are obligate intracellular parasites - so to isolate a particular virus, we have to provide it with live mammalian cells to infect.
One colleague who has dedicated years working with bat viruses and how they interact with human antiviral responses is Arinjay Banerjee. Being familiar with MERS, his team used the same method as there, namely culturing the virus on immunodeficient cells, as this enables it to multiply rapidly.
The source of infection is confirmed by extracting genetic material from the virus, and, of course, sequencing its genome - then compared with all previous known coronaviruses to determine whether it is or isn't a novel one.
Banerjee team has done this successfully, and his work has been confirmed by researchers from SRI, McMaster University and the University of Toronto, then corroborated and improved upon worldwide, by researchers at our own university and elsewhere. (this was back in March)
So it is incorrect to say that COVID-19 has not yet been isolated, because it has. Moreover, a virus cannot be purified from a host due to its nature as an obligate intracellular parasite.
I applaud the fact we are all researching this, though; I hate it when people just blindly follow one thing or another without critical thinking. u/BasedInFact is right that these debates absolutely need to happen publicly and outwardly, because echochambers only lead to ruin. It's the only way safe treatments can be achieved, by assessing risks vs. benefits for everything we do.
tl;dr: COVID is definitely real. We are still learning a lot about it and improving treatments constantly. But it is definitely an asshoe, novel virus that came from China at the end of last year, and it's not the first, second, or third time this has happened.
Wtf are you going on about? You can argue that the government response is excessive (and I mostly everyone probably agrees) but you invalidate your entire argument when you claim the disease itself doesn't even exist. What do you think is going on when there is an outbreak in a senior care home and so many people die?
The other guy is right, whether its a microscope or genome sequence showing its similarity to SARS-cov, the virus does objectively exist
and also skew the economy in favor of large "cucked" corporations that Democrats effectively control
I think it's the other way around; the corporations own the democrats ( and the RINOs)
In the fall of 2020 and continuing to now, the continued lockdowns and shutdowns have a different objective: to prevent Trump supporters from going into the streets after the deep state stole the election for Biden.
IMO, it's just to punish the country for voting for Trump. They really do feel entitled to rule over us, and look down on us as insolent children.
I hadn't seen verification. He said anything about covid... But he did say you can't use it to diagnose, especially in an epidemic or pandemic situation. He also shitted on Fauci. He was the O.G. of calling Fauci a fraud. Like 30 years ago until he died.
Correct. However, before he died, he made it clear that PCR is not a "test" you use to locate an unidentified contagion in a person's body. He himself describes it as a "LAB MANUFACTURING TECHNIQUE" designed to create more copies of a desirable molecule.
So let me repeat this part again: no one has isolated and positively identified the COVID-19 "viron", if such a viron even exists. You'll be really surprised to find the origin of the sequence of genes they're using in the COVID-19 PCR primer.
So I've read multiple studies that claim to have isolated the virus using bronchoalveolar lavage for sampling, innoculation in cell culture, and then harvesting. Why do you say nobody has isolated it? Do you disagree with their methods or is there something I'm missing?
I believe they are identifying a human exosome as COVID-19 and using a sequence of human DNA to test for the presence of the exosomes they are labeling COVID-19. That could explain why people test positive even without any trace of actual viral infection or illness or exposure. Exosomes look remarkably similar to what they're saying COVID-19 looks like, though COVID's surface proteins would look a little different, at least according to how they describe it. But compare the images they've published as being of COVID.
Think about it, if you have oxidative stress, any kind of pulmonary infection, cancer, a history of smoking, or anything in that ballpark, you're going to have exosomes and other sources of human DNA debris in your pulmonary mucus. So if they ARE scamming us, they would use a sequence of human DNA in the PCR primer, and thus nearly everyone is capable of testing positive because it's pretty rare that there is no cellular debris in your lungs and running PCR with too many cycles WILL find it if it's there.
I see what you're saying. The papers I looked at only had electron micrographs of exosomes that were "confirmed" COVID with RT-PCR.
I'll take a look again to see if I can find any stronger evidence. Just seems hard to believe that the entire scientific community would either a) be in on the scam; or b) repeat the same mistake ad infinitum, though I have read a few papers that call the whole pandemic into question so there is a small voice of independent thought out there.
Think about how dangerous it is, not only to your hard-won career and tenure and grants, but also to your actual physical life to oppose these people. It's no surprise at all to me that few are shouting and screaming about this, despite how apparently obvious it is even to a layperson. But that's the problem: so many people in our world have pre-wired themselves to commit the fallacy of argument from authority. But remember, argument from authority is only acceptable when everyone agrees as to the veracity and validity of the authority's information.
In this case, we have overwhelming loads of evidence that something isn't right and fuckery is afooot. Money and politics are tied up in this, and are the primary goal of those pushing it forward, not health or human safety.
That was a coke, and I can't find a source on your claim about Pepsi. Why would they use one of the most expensive and desired materials on the planet to flavor soda that's considered second-tier cola intended for urban blacks?
Think about how a lot of these tests are conducted as well - the swabs of all these people are put together with dozens of other samples, sealed in boxes and then sent to a lab probably via UPS or someone who smash the fuck out of them and then the lab runs 35-40 cycles magnifying any potential microscopic amount of viral material a billion times. I remember seeing testing sites in Florida during the summer when they supposedly had the "second wave" there which recorded 100% rates of infection on tests done. All I could think when someone tells me 100% is DANGER, DANGER WIL ROBINSON.
This just isn't true. My lab works with COVID-19 and it behaves just like any other virus.
And I've personally sequenced the booger multiple times from positive patients. It's extremely trivial. You can even use Sanger sequencing (outdated at this point, and cheap as all hell) to sequence novel bits of the genome using consensus sequences from the usual strains.
It absolutely is a real thing, it's just blown way the fuck out of proportion.
How do you know the genome you are sequencing is really a novel coronavirus?
Any full genome that is published is automatically suspect because there is no documented evidence that it was originally isolated from nature. Are you aware that the CDC owns patents on coronavirus, as well as the vaccines, and even the detection kits?
What's all this hubbub I've heard about the COVID PCR primer containing human DNA sequences? Is it a coincidence or a case of different genomes containing the same sequence? Or is it simply totally untrue that there's human DNA in the primer?
Lol. "Isolation" is the virology literature is obtaining an "isolate" that is full of additive chemicals, foreign organic matter like bovine serum and cellular debris from lysis. Words don't change reality.
So you think he was killed years ago because he would expose Covid 19 as a fraud?
Conservatives and right wingers looking for conspiracies all over the place, under every rock, no matter how improbable or ridiculous, while Democrats openly steal things and burn things and kill things. Brilliant. This is how they stole the election. Our team is looking for false flags and chemtrail’s and others fucking bullshit while Democrats are, in the open and in the public, stealing our country. Brilliant. Keep doing that.
It’s the equivalent of having your nose in your computer looking for secret messages while tanks are rolling down the street outside.
No, you're literally putting words in my mouth. Of course it's a possibility, but I haven't seen enough information or evidence to "believe" that it's true. It's in the "maybe" pile. Where it will probably stay. Because we'll probably never know for sure.
Or that children have the brain capacity to understand & make the decision that they’re trans. Or that flooding refugees into a country has nothing but beneficial results. Or that a majority of violent crime is definitely not committed by black people. Or that Trump is a Russian puppet installed by Putin himself despite the Mueller report concluding there’s zero evidence of that whatsoever. Or that covid is a rampant killer and that daring to step foot outside your home during a FuCkIng GloBaL pAndEmIc brands you ass a mass grandma murderer, unless of course you’re “putting your own life at risk” by going out to protest for a drug addicted criminal that died from a drug overdose and not from the officer restraining him. Or that looters/rioters were white supremacists, or that the “OK” hand gesture is a white supremacist symbol, or that fetuses are just “clumps of cells”, or that white silence = violence, or that women are oppressed, or that black people will never be successful/smart/etc because of reasons they can’t control (bigotry of low expectations), or that there’s zero biological difference between men and women.
Last night on InfoWars they showed a speaker from Australia who demonstrated that even testing a soft drink showed that the soft drink had covid!! And quoted other scientists who said the covid vaccines alter DNA and cause women to be sterile. So I guess it’s all on course with Gates’ and his father’s agenda.
The President of Tanzania called it out in May. He got positive tests for a papaya, a goat and engine oil. It’s ridiculous.
Elon Musk and many others have gotten conflicting results even in one session from the same lab, same nurse, same site. How is any of this scientific if the results are not repeatable.
Exactly. The testing places know that the results are false positives but don't want to get sued if they call an RT-PCR test "negative" that another place might call "positive" as there is no standard cutofff.
Since an infectious exposure is around 1000 virions, that equates to somewhere around 20-25 cycles, thus anything over 30 cycles is easily false positive.
Exactly the lack of published standards AND the cycles used for each positive test mean the test is a black hole. Nobody knows how many cycles have been or should be used. How has testing changed as the case counts rise? That info is deliberately lost forever.
The lack of transparency is simply astounding given the seriousness of the public impact of these positive test results. They used fear to grab this power and refuse to allow any transparency to protect it!
PCR, or Polymerase Chain Reaction, takes a certain marked genetic sequence found in the PCR's primer, and causes replication of that sequence. One cycle = one duplication. Now, I'm not a subject matter expert, but shouldn't that mean that 25 cycles or 25 duplications would turn 1 relevant molecule into 33.5 million? There is a lot of good, untainted information on PCR because 1 year ago, using it to test for infections was unheard of. PCR's purpose is REPLICATING TEMPLATE DNA.
So now ask the most important question of all. Given that "COVID-19" has not been isolated and positively identified, what exactly is the origin of the TEMPLATE DNA that they use in the COVID-19 PCR?
Also, please help me out and join me in never using the phrase "PCR test"
Just call it "PCR" and keep in mind it was never designed as a test, and misusing it will guarantee a false positive because the TEMPLATE DNA that it looks for is ubiquitous in the human body.
Sounds fair to me, since that is what it does. They move the sample between three temperature ranges that cause it to fall apart, duplicate, and then reassemble itself, with the three stages composing one cycle, and one cycle ideally duplicating the template sequence once (doubling the number of that molecule each cyle)
It's used as a test all the time. Specifically to measure viral titers in the blood or a particular tissue of interest. If you have any questions on the particulars, let me know. More than happy to explain!
After making that comment, I learned it was also used in suspicious ways in the early HIV days. Another commenter went into fine detail on how it works to detect a virus (fluorescence, pair length comparison against known introduced sequences that act like a ruler, etc) and how there are up and down controls. What can you tell me about the origin of the genetic sequence in the COVID PCR primer?
I can't make that claim for certain, people are definitely getting sick with something. I think my point is there is a lot less of the virus than they claim, and they are using a variety of tricks to make it seem worse and more prevalent than it is. There is a chance that they have simply put the COVID-19 label on regular seasonal infections, cold, flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, whatever.
Sir, what is your intention here in asking me to define basic terms I've been using in my comments throughout this thread? Are you unaware and incapable of using a search engine? Do you really think I've never done so?
Why are you trying to put your words in my mouth instead of simply using my words?
Are you trying to get juicy screenshots to post on whatever Reddit shithole you call home or what?
Of course. The total number of cycles affects the amount of time the overall takes, but if there is a lot of RNA, it will be detected at much lower cycles. For a better understanding just type PCR into a search engine and look at images. Each cycle is a doubling event, so you get exponential amplification of the original nucleic acid present. Detection at 40 cycles means you started with a forensic trace level of nucleic acid.
Hmm, not quite the right interpretation. At 20 Ct, a large amount of viral RNA was detected and is thus called "positive" even if a person is shedding zero infectious virions. It is an indirect, correlation type test. At 40 Ct, a positive might come up but it is meaningless because that amount of starting RNA could have come from someone sneezing in the testing room or on the swab before it was used to collect.
It is more like a light source. You can have a really bright one or a very dim one. Depending on where you decide it is bright "enough" is the line between light and dark. If there is no common definition, then some tests will be "light" and some "dark".
Hmm, not quite the right interpretation. At 20 Ct, a large amount of viral RNA was detected and is thus called "positive" even if a person is shedding zero infectious virions. It is an indirect, correlation type test. At 40 Ct, a positive might come up but it is meaningless because that amount of starting RNA could have come from someone sneezing in the testing room or on the swab before it was used to collect.
Exactly, but isn't there a correlation between "viral load" and "likelihood of shedding"?
Most agree anything found above 35 cycles isn't even viable...
But if everyone tested positive @ only 10 cycles, many more would be sick...
10 cycles is way too soon. That generally indicates a probe failure.
As far as I have seen there are no comprehensive manuscripts correlating viral load (based on actual viral culture) & shedding (actually infectious virions. Many virions made during replication are not competent as RNA polymerase is quite error prone.) The few that have tried indicate no correlation, so the RT-PCR testing is meaningless from a disease spread standpoint.
Could I get a source as to where you’re getting that 1000 virion/20-25 cycle number?
A false positive means that the test is positive when you’re not infected at all (I.e. 0 RNA fragments). It doesn’t mean there was a small amount of RNA that lead to an asymptomatic infection.
Don't forget that RT-PCR only tests for a fragment of the virus' RNA (usually thr RdRP) and the majority of people still test "positive" well after recovery using that test. Of thousands of publications on testing, not one has recovered infectious virus after 7 days from onset of symptoms. Meaning the natural immune system for the vast majority of people fights off this infection, exactly like it does with influenze, RSV and the 4 common cold coronaviruses.
1000 virions and cycle is a general number from pretty much all respiratory infectious viruses, expressed as ID50 (50% of exposed people will be infected at this level). Any virology textbook has these number.
Lowering the Ct will make it look like COVID vanished. I guarantee this is the magic plan. Nobody can tell what company is doing the testing, what Ct they are using, or even what primer sets. They are making a fortune in testing and have a potent political weapon.
We're gonna chop off so many hands when we unravel all of this. I can't believe there's any room in the cookie jar for cookies with this many motherfuckers grubbing their hands around in there.
I didn't know that Florida had done that. So the Florida DoH should be getting the cycle data now.
The real question is what Florida will do with the information. Will they follow up on positives to see if they or others in code contact with them developed symptoms? Will they correlate the percent who developed symptoms with the number of cycles run on the PCR test?
If they do, it could be the beginning of the end of the "casedemic" in Florida, because I am pretty sure that DeSantis has the balls to use the data to say that positives over a certain number of cycles are not really positive in the absence of symptoms. Or just flat out refuse to accept PCR tests over a certain number of cycles.
It will take time to see which PCR positive people develop symptoms, and then to collect and analyze the data, though.
Hopefully DeSantis already has people setting up the infrastructure and procedures to do the data collection and analysis.
This entire scenario is designed to do nothing more than get everyone to accept being IMPRISONED in their own homes.
I've told this to a few people and they look at like I've got sh*t for brains. Then I ask them if they are quarantined, and others know, and they leave the house what will happen? They immediately say they will likely be told to return home and will be fined and then forced back home by somebody (with a gun).
When you are forced to stay at home at gunpoint you are being IMPRISONED.
Suddenly they cringe a bit, their brow goes high, and they start nodding in agreement. The light has come on.
And they STILL can't convince us COVID is real, though they sure are trying with that "Oh hospitals are over COVID capacity" garbage.
Our fucking hospitals are ghost towns, what is "covid capacity?" 10% of your available beds?
Arizona has had a worse "casedemic" than many places. The dry air and higher average temperatures combined with people being used to not going outside as much, I can't stress enough. I personally know in excess of 50 elderly people that "tested positive" and never had a sniffle.
Take above-average measures that work against the common cold; keep warm, drink water, take zinc, get HCQ if you can, keep up on vitamins overall. Cactus don't transmit COVID so we're safe even if it is a real virus and not a bullshit disguise slapped on Cold\Flu\Pneumonia.
Before the shutdown, I played poker with a bunch of nurses from a middle size town hospital. I asked what the normal hospital load is for a bad year of influenza.
6 family members at Mass General. 3 nurse friends at other hospitals. Cases, yes. Mostly people who are overly worried about it, have good insurance, and can pay for their time in beds. Plenty of beds open, and most people are released. It's all a joke.
To elaborate a bit. In a perfect world you could run an arbitrary number of PCR cycles without an issue... but it's not a perfect world.
A PCR cycle, ideally, effectively goes "any DNA that has a region that matches this start and end gets doubled". With the idea that after a bunch of doublings it becomes fairly obvious if the target is present or not. (One classic method at the end is, essentially, toss in some DNA of known sizes, sort the result by size, and check if anything is the 'right size' for what you're looking for. (E.g. if you're looking for something that should be 1140 base pairs long, you might toss in DNA with a length of 1000, 1050, 1100, 1150, 1200, etc. And then you get a nice 'ruler' within which you can search for your target.) There are other methods of course.)
The idea being that you pick a start and end 'key' (primer) that's fairly unique to the thing you're hunting for, with the size check at the end as an additional filter / crosscheck.
But everything at those scales is fuzzy. There is no such thing as "matching only that specific sequence" - if something is "close enough" it will still, occasionally, double. Like jamming a jigsaw puzzle piece in where it doesn't belong. And even if something does match it won't always double, especially as the concentration increases. Eventually, you don't get doubling because, well, there isn't enough free material around to be able to double.
So what happens as the number of cycles increases? Well, if there is a true match it'll double for the first while, then saturate and flatten out to quasi-linear. And if there's something that isn't a good fit, and say replicates 10% of the time? Well, it'll still be exponential growth, just slower. But you replicate enough and you will still saturate sooner or later.
Correct. 25 successful replication cycles of a single sequence would produce 33.5 million copies. Running 30-35-40 cycles is going to convince you shit is present that probably isn't "really" present...
I understood all of that, thank you! I know literally nothing about the antibody test or any other COVID tests that may exist, but PCR in particular jumped out and jumps out harder the more I learn about it. Apparently fragments of other rhinovirii can also trigger a positive result?
Do you know from where they get the sequence that's used in the COVID PCR primer?
Wow - I was actually really curious about how the immune system identifies a hostile protein or gene sequence, let alone how it successfully creates an antagonist to block its active sites or damage it... So you say it just shotguns attempts, inside the Thymus, until it notices that one of the attempts successfully inactivated the hostile protein?
It makes sense, because there may be a variety of different ways to damage, denature, or inactivate a protein. Find something that sticks to it and twists it, changes the shape of the active site, whatever. But that's probably also one of the ways we get mutated, altered proteins that end up interacting with something that they didn't used to! Which is why having contagions cross species lines can be a huge problem. Who knows when a pathogen accustomed to a given species will enter the environment of a different species and find that its weapons are extremely effective against something found in the new host.
Lastly, I see that you guys have a method of binding highly recognizable molecules (fluorphores?) to the target sequence, so even if PCR amplifies other shit, that other shit should not glow the way your target sequence does. Right?
You and I probably don’t have the faintest understanding of a network stack, nor any understanding of how an LTE antenna works, or how data is switched as it races through all the networking infrastructure
Speak for yourself. I'm an EE who did network engineering for 20 years. I can tell you how the electrons wiggle when you make an AWS API call.
I'm also a trained metrologist. i.e. an expert in measurement. My rule in becoming an expert is if I can't write a procedure that the technical staff can understand, then my method of measurement is probably bullshit. I've had to explain measurement techniques to field engineers, and have succeeded.
I also know enough biology to teach my kids high school biology (which I have to since the schools shut down).
The PCR test isn't that complicated to understand for anyone with a Bachelor of Science degree who has been a responsible engineer for a product or service, or a computer scientist who understands exponential functions in their bones (which should be at least half of them). That's millions of Americans.
The PCR test beyond about 32 replications (yes depending on the sampling technique) is complete bullshit. And questionable somewhere between 28 and 32.
The guy who won the Nobel for creating the PCR technique is correct.
I might suggest that starting off with belittling the person you are replying to is not the most effective technique.
Yes, this is oversimplified. All summarizations are.
I could say "to understand this go get a BSc"; that wouldn't be particularly helpful. (And someone with a MSc would in turn complain...)
If QPCR is performed with known negative controls and they are consistently producing negative results even at a “high” Ct for the given experiment, then a sample that tests positive is very, very likely to be a real positive.
...or an unintended partial match of something else present in the sample that is nevertheless close enough to replicate. Negative controls don't help with that.
(...well, kinda. It does help if your negative control happens to include said something else. It doesn't help if e.g. the novel sequence you selected for your primer isn't as novel as you thought it was and there's some other benign virus floating around somewhere (not in your negative control) that has a partial match.)
I suppose it depends on what your definition of "real positive" is. Yes, in some senses finding something else in the sample that replicates is a real positive; it's still a false positive in the sense that it didn't find what the test was intended to look for.
We are talking 100 - 1,000 times more dilute, which alone requires over 7 - 10 additional rounds of PCR to account for.
Absolutely. Which ends up with over 7 - 10 additional rounds of PCR compared to a typical lab experiment, rather by definition. And in turn means that you have an additional 7-10 rounds of PCR affecting any inadvertent partial matches also.
And again, assumptions and attempted belittlement. I might suggest that you'd get a better response in general if you gave the same knowledge presented in a somewhat less belligerent manner.
and explain to people how these tests are “inaccurate”
I might suggest that you'd get a better response in general if you read what was written as opposed to what you assumed was said.
Kindly do not put words in other people's mouths.
it would take 7-10 additional rounds if not many more
Depends a lot on how exactly the dilution is done. As a counterexample: if you've got rare particles with enough in one particle to be detected after the full PCR process, then no. More dilution will decrease the chance of a particle being found in a test, and hence percentage of samples that are positive in that case, but won't increase the number of rounds required to be detected if a particle is present. (At least in the regime where the probability of more than one particle in a sample is relatively low.)
In an ideal world that would never happen - your sample prep and dilution would ensure that no such particles would be present - if only we lived in an ideal world.
Yep it's nonsense. There's no overcrowded hospitals like they're claiming. They're only backed up because of all the procedural bullshit that's not even necessary
Dead people voting. Healthy people getting tested and finding they have the most deadly virus in history.
I bet people still aren't going to wake up after getting a vaccine that messes them up and finding that when you sue the company over it it's just going to a kangaroo court. These people are completely controlled.
Nope, it’ll be a new democrat faction for identity politics to latch onto—the vaccine disabled. They’ll be “heroes” and it’ll be racist to suggest it’s the manufacturer’s fault.
This is what should really wake people up. During the H1N1 pandemic they tested people because they were sick, and believe me, you fucking knew you were sick if you had H1N1. Yet during that pandemic there was no misleadia hype, no masks (in fact the CDC specifically advised against masks), no "social distancing", no quarantine, and no lockdowns to destroy the economy and collapse small businesses.
Testing positive gives you significant victim likes on failbook.
Having someone you love die with the coof gives you maximum victim likes on failbook.
I know a woman whose uncle died recently and he tested negative for the coof. She is pushing to have an autopsy because she doesn’t believe the negative coof test. She needs those internet points!
According to the inventor of PCR tests, the use of PCR tests to diagnose viral infection is completely fraudulent.
The abuse of PCR tests was started during the HIV scam. The inventor tried to stop its exploitation back then, but millions of dollars were involved and he failed. Now billions of dollars are at stake and they are using the same scam.
He also said this when only 1980s/early 1990s equipment was available. PCR used to be done using multiple water baths at different temperatures. This is like taking a quote from a surgeon in the 1920s saying heart transplants were impossible and using that as evidence to say heart transplants don't occur today.
OK, that's information I didn't have before. So, PCR tests are able to provide more granular information now? My response was premised upon information that I got from a tech in a food lab who runs certification tests for "HMO-Free" foods. He explains that PCR tests are of little value to him, because they do not quantify anything. They only indicate positive or negative. The only way to infer quantity is through multiple samples and try to draw an inference from the average number of cycles required to detect the subject DNA sequence. He explained that this is never done and is not considered scientifically valid. So, the most recent information that I have is that PCR tests do not quantify at all, only indicate presence or not.
Then, what I have heard, but I would love if you could educate me if I am incorrect, is that the current tests we run in the US are based upon a single strain of some corona virus, assumed to be COVID since the subject had recently travelled to China and came back with COVID-like symptoms. Further, I have been told, but maybe you know better, than PCR tests are using run with 22-28 cycles, and for some reason the US is running at close to 40 cycles.
Further, I have been told that the Supreme Court of Portugal recently determined that the error rate in PCR tests is much too high, with false positives of nearly 97% and determined that the detention of 4 German travelers was invalid. I have been told, that there is presently not a single published study showing a correlation between PCR test results and COVID related symptoms.
So, I stand by my previous comment and believe that the underlying science from the 80's still renders PCR tests useless for diagnosis of viral infections. Instead, PCR tests indicate the presence of at least one strand of the subject DNA sequence.
PCR can definitely be used for quantification, this is usually referred to as qPCR (quantitative) or real-time PCR. PCR can be used in numerous different ways and its most routine forms are not quantitative, but appropriate controls and standards make quantification possible. A quick google scholar search for qPCR or quantitative PCR will bring up thousands of articles using it and a fair number describing how to do it properly, along with its caveats (every experimental system has limitations). I assume you mean GMO-free foods? PCR would indeed be a poor test for detecting all potential or uncharacterized GMOs, so maybe something got conflated there.
The cycle number really isn't a meaningful piece of information to grab onto unless you know exactly how the assay is being run. Are they using Taqman probes? What type of lightcycler/dye is being used? Are samples multiplexed? Frankly, people here flailing about cycle number may as well be shouting they have no experience with qPCR - its just not that simple. The stats for all the tests are easy to find online (specificity, sensitivity, etc) but it can be hard to figure out which one is being used for your sample in particular.
I don't know the details of the Portugal case, but this would be similar to throwing out the use of fingerprints because 1 court in Portugal found their technicians weren't using them appropriately. There are a huge number of reasons this may happen - if you have a link to a story I'd be happy to look at it.
The catch about diagnosing viral infections is that the test alone cannot tell you if the presence/absence of a piece of DNA is clinically relevant. This has to be paired with epidemiological data concerning the amount of virus expected to be in someone with an active infection or someone developing an infection. In the case of HIV, detecting any was very bad (there is no 'safe' level of HIV in the blood as they may be with other viruses), so the quote from the 80s is particularly wrong in its original context. Knowing how much virus is dangerous allows for qPCR to be used to diagnose viral infections.
Finally, Just because the person invented PCR doesn't mean he understands every possible use of it. This is like expecting the inventor of the internal combustion engine to know the top speed of a car 100 years after he is dead - hundreds of people just as smart as the inventor have put decades into improving these techniques.
Hey dude, I finally did some research on your quotes above. Thing is - it appears that the Covid tests commonly in use are not quantitative PCR tests. I see that LabCorp recently came out with a quantitative test, but I don't believe it has been approved.
I'm a doctor. All tests have something called a sensitivity, ie. the % of true positives identified from all positives and specificity, ie. the % of true negatives identified from all negatives.
Let's say the sensitivity is 95% and the sensitivity is 99%, we'll first run 100000 tests in a population where 1/100 has the condition and one then one where 1/1000 has the condition
1000 have condition 99000 not, we find 950 TruPos, 50 FalseNeg and 98010 TruNeg and 990 FalseNeg
950/(990+950)=49% of Pos are TruPos and 98010/(98010+50)=99% of Neg are TruNeg
100 have condition and we find 95 TruPos and 5 FalseNeg and 98901 TruNeg and 999 FalsePos
95/(999+95)=8.6% of positives are TruPos and 98901/(98901+5)=99.99% of negatives are TruNeg
So the the positive predictive value ( TruePos/AllPos) is greatly dependent on the prevalence or chance before testing of having a certain condition.
So just testing everyone with no or minor symptoms leads to many false positives
100 have condition and we find 95 TruPos and 5 FalseNeg and 98901 TruNeg and 999 FalsePos
This is the classic fallacy that everybody should understand before someone tries to trick you with it. So many people wrongly believe that if your test for some rare disease is positive, it means you definitely have the disease. Actually if the false positive rate is high enough, your odds of having it are still very low, as seen above.
And, even more insidiously, the false positive rate IS NOT A CONSTANT. Tests like this are designed to ensure the TRUE POSITIVE and TRUE NEGATIVE rates are at least a certain value, but the false positive and false negative rates are determined by the true positive/true negative specs as well as the proportion of positives and negatives in the population you're testing.
The more people in the population that you're testing have the virus, the higher your false negative rate and the lower your false positive rate, and vice versa.
Makes it very hard to determine what the false positive rate even is, because we do not have a fixed population breakdown from which we are testing.
If it's such a terrifying disease it would be double checked.
For example a patient tests positive for HIV with the western blot. You don't call them and be like hey good morning guess what you got HIV. It has to be confirmed with ELISA or whatever other test.
Same thing with drug testing. Preliminary has to be confirmed with GC/MS.
Its rekindled a whole new wave of fuckery here and emboldened the Retards. No more dirty looks, now theyre reminding you how selfish you are for not complying during a pandemic.
In reality world, I've now seen more masks littered on the streets than alcohol bottles.
Ga State data, with 14 day lag. Tests and so called cases spiking. Deaths... nah... dropping... and have been dropping for a while. See the official Ga tracking report. And show by date of onset or death...NOT date if report.
Thanks. Yeah... you'd think they'd give a side-by-side. Also this has larger age groupings (18-49 vs their Covid numbers which are by decade up to 75 or 80)
This guy says up to 99% of the PCR tests are false positives. Not a typo. No doubt that Fauxvid-19 is not a big deal. Essentially the same as standards influenza
There may or may not be. There's always something floating around, this is for sure, but whatever is out there, we've discovered dozens of effective therapeutics, from HCQ to chicken soup. Hospitals have not been overrun, they've shut down 75% of their wings to focus solely on COVID and ended up cramming everybody into unimaginably tight spaces to make it LOOK like they're overrun. The majority of victims of this disease already had comorbidities and DNR's on their charts. The tests, as far as I can tell, are flipping results to positive like they were built by Dominion. And for this we shut down the world for 9 months, now with either an extremely difficult road to recovery or handing all business over to Amazon and China.
TL;DR there's probably a disease, but it's a glorified cold, and we done got had.
That link is a study published in 2008 by the Wuhan Institute of Virology detailing their efforts to make a corona virus from a bat transferable to humans by splicing in parts of SARS and HIV and hosted at nih who funded the study iirc.
It's the most primary source possible regarding the creation of covid.
So true, and I hadn't thought of it this way before. Nobody says you have an asymptomatic TB infection. You have latent TB. I get that TB is not a virus, but the idea stands.
ultimately the whole thing is a socially engineered “crisis”.
It provided the mass hysteria necessary to steal an election.
Large percentage of COVID tests ARE false positives, both by design and also by malevolence.
by design: so they don't miss true positives, they must have many false positives
by malevolence: excessive PCR cycles (basically doing 1. but too much)
The "by design" part is true for all kinds of medical tests. Because you don't want to miss any real positive, you necessarily overshoot and get a lot of false positives.
Surprisingly few people know it, but a "normal" accepted true/false positive rate for medical tests is around 10%. Meaning that if you test positive, your chances of being effectively positive are around 10%.
Does it mean that we should immediately divide the publicly available number of cases by 10? It does.
Does it mean that we should immediately divide the publicly available count of COVID deaths (defined as "dead after X weeks of being tested positive) by 10? It does.
Does it mean that COVID doesn't exist or is not a real concern? It doesn't.
Agreed, in the sense that a bad flu season would also be a real concern.
However covid is def. more violent for the ones who really got it. Some people I know got it months ago and haven't recovered their sense of smell yet. Some have had permanently damaged lungs. Some others have been fine since then.
Definitely more serious than flu.
Also just to mention, just because someone says COVID is a real problem doesn't mean he's a normie: COVID can exist and be a real thing, while having been created deliberately to be spread and apply the measures we see today.
Your original comment lays out a case that it is NOT more serious than the flu.
The vast majority of those killed or severely impacted by Covid were due to hospital and medical malfeasance. Ventilators killed more than they saved. Restrictions on cheap OTC medicine turned non-threatening cases into serious ones. Lockdowns killed more people than they saved (except perhaps for the massive reduction in car fatalities.)
Another important point is that the flu kills people in all age groups. Covid kills people based on their expected morbidity. If anything, the children killed by the flu every year before now is a much more serious and impactful event, because it erases many more productive years of life even though fewer may actually die.
I've had colds that have impacted my sense of smell for months, and any case of pneumonia in itself can have complications that cause permanent lung damage.
Coworker's wife had two people test positive where she worked, and the state automatically recorded that 15 other people were positive even though they either were negative or werent tested. "Two positive? Okay so 15 positive."
And people who test positive and go through the quarantine, keep retesting to determine when they are 'free' from the virus. Every positive they get is another positive lumped into the country/state totals, falsely inflating the numbers.
The tests are positive. But it didn't mean what they are saying. Any virus going through the population (especially for the first time) would have similar numbers.
The fact is that there ARE NOT more death in 2020 than in previous years.
The usual causes have been "replaced" by COVID.....
"Nasal lobotomy"
I have been telling people this from the start! If it hurts so much to get the test, what damage are they doing? I also wonder about the lost of taste and smell, is this only occurring in people that got the nasal lobotomy and then test positive? Is that from illness of from frontal lobe damage? I would let em probe my anus before i ever let them probe my frontal lobe! (just kidding! They can stay the fuck away from me with their invasive probes and pricks!!)
Also, what else can be done with that swab they take away?
DNA testing, cataloging. No thanks! Nice try tho!
Well seeing as how every week we’re told x number of NFL players tested positive and an hour before game time it’s “lol j/k false positives, the entire lot.”
Both the FDA and the CDC have admitted on their own sites that the antigen tests are totally flawed and we know the pcr tests are worthless. Fauci (I have the vid) states clearly that pcr results after 35 cycles are totally unusable. The standard is 40 cycles in the US. The tests are garbage, there is no pandemic.
Alex said that the president/scientist (of Tanzania?) sent many other random things and they came back positive. And someone else tested a Coke and it tested positive. Sad!
Bayes’ Theorem. If you have COVID tests that give a false positive 2% of the time and you administer 300 million
tests (I’ve been tested 4 times), that’s 6 million positive tests. Every positive test is counted as a case.
These hospitals all get money, so yeah you're going to list anything and everything as covid. And if a few administrators have to fudge some paperwork, who cares.
Liberals got tired of us always using "the facts" against them. For years, all they heard from us was "the facts, the facts, the facts..."
So they decided to fudge the numbers. They decided to manipulate tests, manipulate votes, manipulate any data they could get their hands on so they could try to take away the power of "the facts" that they heard about for so many years.
I’m too lazy to archive this article because I’m shitting and I’m using a phone, but fuel for your question... Start of nfl training camp, 77 players tested positive for covid, all were false positives. There’s a wapo article floating out there with the deets
The governor of Pennsylvania just announced he had covid and the next day said he tested negative then negative again. His excuse was they must have caught it at the end of the disease. POS
My anecdotal experience is the same. I know tons of people who've been tested regularly. All have been negative. Only time anyone has ever tested positive is when they were truly sick.
That to me indicates normal false positive rates. Maybe a little higher than normal. That means there's still large amounts of false positives. What I'm curious about is if the test mistakes others viruses for covid-19 as well. It doesn't seem likely that flu just disappeared because of covid. It also doesn't seem likely that regular cold disappeared either. I'm wondering if the tests are catching those viruses.
The real issue with the testing isn't necessarily the tests themselves but with recording the tests. There have been numerous reports of places double counting. The recording of covid-19 positives is as fictitious as Biden votes.
The CDC's own website admits that the COVID test can return positive for persons infected with other coronaviruses - which make up about 30% of colds.
Conisidering how prevalent colds are, it's a certain that many people who simply have a cold are being told they have COVID and quarantined, losing wages, causing businesses to close, etc.
What we can't know is how much of this fall's spike in "COVID cases" - which is occurring everywhere regardless of mask mandates and lockdowns - is due to the common cold.
I work with a California company and we had to stop work for a few days after someone tested positive. I don’t know who the person was but apparently he or she had mild symptoms. There are only 20 people in the company - and I couldn’t tell who it was. The mild symptoms were probably fatigue or headaches . Since the person tested positive, we all got tested and I think 2 more tested positive. No symptoms.
Vitamin d zinc and quercetin are preventatives. Vitamin d deficiency is one of the key indicators for having to go to the hospital. It’s like 85% of cases
I imagine the "regular" testing may be more accurate but the random paranoid people getting tested is where they pump up their numbers like the democrat counties did with votes.
Whether positive or not. The metric they’re using to enforce lock downs are “cases”
That’s usually defined as “any person testing positive + anyone that person has come in close contact with” or “an inconclusive test + anyone that person has come in close contact with”
A nurse friend told me that every positive test counts a new case. So if someone tested positive three times, it's counted as three different cases. At her work, if they get it (she and her family did get mild flu symptoms and positive tests) they have to have two negative tests to come back to work. So all those tests add up.
It’s more than likely a disgustingly huge percentage. As soon as I heard what testing they were using, I knew we’d see bogus outrageous numbers. I’ve been calling a majority of this shit to my friends and family before it happens and most of them still refuse to acknowledge that they were played hard and raw.
The virus could literally not exist but as long as you tested enough people with a 50% false positive rate, tens of millions, it would legitimately look like half the country was dying from something that literally doesn't exist.
I have anecdotal evidence from at least 5 people who never got the test (only waited in line and finally left because line was too long) who all tested positive.
Has t it been this whole time? Remember Super Tuesday? When they store the bid from Bernie. Pretty much doing exactly what they’re trying to do to trump. Once the truth starts coming out all of the sudden second lock downs. They’re are Definitely trying. Doesn’t seem to be working as well this time.
The following CDC article says "Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, this system will suspend data collection for the 2020-21 influenza season. Data from previous seasons are available on FluView Interactive."
The CDC's story changes by the day and they are no different than the FBI or DOJ--not to be trusted without very deep research and vetting--a full time job (with zero pay) which most of us cannot fit into our day. Don't listen to their BS.
Yeah, I read a quote where Mullis said that the PCR test that he developed (invented) is essentially useless when applied as a method for testing for the presence of the CCP Coronavirus-19. The commercial esting centers have set the cycle count too high, making the sensitivity of the test completely unreliable at detecting viral presence or load. Like a leaf falling on your car's bumper would set off your airbags unreliable.
First off, a positive test even were it really positive in the sense that an active infection is present does not mean that the person is contagious or even ill. And that actually repeated testing will pick up enough viral particles to eventually produce a false positive test. The person could have unknowingly been infected dozens of weeks ago and dead viral fragments cause a positive result. It's all a colossal fraud.
The nature of the test itself is suspect and not to be trusted according to the man who developed it; Kary Mullis. He said that owing to the "sensitivity cycles" done during the specimen's evaluation it's far too sensitive to provide a worthwhile conclusion. Again this is the inventor of the test, who also has some choice words about the technical talents of the vaunted Dr, Fauci.
This frickin' con has destroyed much of our economy and many lives, particularly of small busniess owners. While the big box stores and online sellers like Amazon flourish. All in a bid to effect an election, an ends to a means. Criminal.
The PCR test will return positive for ANY coronavirus. Literally the common cold. So if you have any bit of common cold virus floating around, and if the maginfication is set high enough, it'll almost always return a positive result. The TestDemic is a complete fucking scam to fuck over the world.
The true false positive rate (FPR) is at least between 2-7%, as that is the range from meta studies of previous PCR-test external quality assessments (EQAs)
Considering that the pandemic situation results in a massive requirement for testing personnel, necessarily with less experience, the performance quality of procedures will be much worse than normal. Most false positives are typically explained to be caused by cross-contamination during testing/sampling and sample processing.
I would expect the FPR to be about double what is shown in normal EQAs, so 4-14%.
Note that the FPR-rate found during licencing test procedures use optimal lab conditions, experienced personnel, no shared use of any bottle or tool or lab personnel between subsequent tests, etc. And they avoid the patient-sample/shipment process all together, using only prepared samples. This is how they get 100% specificity (0% FPR) in the licensing document. But it is not at all representative of CLINICAL FPR.
Had FDA bureaucratic bullshit not blocked HCQ for out-patient care earlier in the year Kung Flu would have been a footnote in next year's history book editions. Makes my blood boil at the thought of how many lives could have been saved.
it's scientifically proven at this point (excessive PCR cycles)
Alex Jones was right again. [Edited because I can't verify this part ->. Also, the creator of the test said it should not be used for covid.] And possibly the guy is dead after challenging and insulting Fauci.
Dem governors lock down > Controlled opposition McConnell takes the blame for no covid relief > small businesses goes bankrupt > Amazon and big tech swoops in and takes control even more.
Both parties are in on it. Perdue has made millions from his stocks during covid. Chaos is good for him, he can buy and sell with his insider knowledge. Globalists in both the dem and repub party has had their hands in our pockets for a long time.
They are all desperate to get rid of Trump, the only one exposing the fraud on both sides. We need to be in the streets protesting.
The other goal of COVID was to paint the government as some sort of trusted savior, in order to usher in a federal nanny-state.
I knew a guy, who claimed to be Tunisian, who disappeared about a week before 9/11. Just up and poof, no notice, no nothing, gone. We worked at a food warehouse in central Indiana. Wasn't until about a month later when shock wore off that we said, "Hey, what happened to...?" I believe the manager contacted the EffBeeEye. Never heard anything else.
I have some inside knowledge on this. Several friends were congressional staff and worked in the WH during Bush 2. Al Qaeda was not hiding under every nook and cranny, but if you knew some of the shit we stopped from happening, you'd piss yourself. Having said that, FUCK THE PATRIOT ACT!
http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
So every column decided to fail at the same time?
Building 7 was an inside job. Anybody to says otherwise is an idiot or deceiver.
Every column was weakened by the impact and the high temperature of the fire. Was it hot enough to melt it? No, but it didn't need to be. At those temperatures steel loses half of its strength. Here's a guy with a forge to explain it, visually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
It was a cover-up, the biggest crime scene ever. The line was crossed, when instead of securing the scene, Neo-cons ordered the scene/evidence be destroyed and removed right-away.
I don’t trust China. Why would I trust this?
Whoever downvoted is a cuck
I even bought the.."you have to own the haystack, if you're going to find the terrorist needle" rationale for the NSA listening to ordinary Americans.
More than that, it will make most people utterly reliant on the government for their survival. Easiest type of control there is.
yah the erosion of civil liberties and the constitution, to be replaced with medical authoritarian fascists. In China health officials can show up at your door and say you were contact traced to be in same location as someone who is positive, and therefore demand/order you to report to a centralized lockdown where you are essentially locked in a room with a bunch of other people some of this probably having covid. If you didn't have it before good chance you catch it then and it 'proves' they were right to contact trace and lock you down. Literally can have health officials target anyone and just no questions asked boss you out of your home straight into a death trap.
All this is a given but the giddiness of some Americans to enact these nonsensical measures is deeply disturbing.
I think most people just have a herd mentality. Some sheep just can’t tell the difference between the wolf ready to feast and the sheepdog and shepherd keeping them safe.
Only real people are capable of good and evil at their core. The vast majority of normies are simply acted upon and repeat whatever they are programmed with.
people are literally excited to get the vaccine now so things can back to 'normal'. Its a mass psychological operation run with textbook feartactics. They have been priming the public for years now, each year or two they have a new flu scare.
but they did the exact opposite. This has red pilled so many and now no one trusts the government. Maybe they should have been a little more discreet when not following their own rules
They are desperate. They could ride out one Trump term but not two.
When Trump retains office a huge number of officials will likely resign and move to new Zealand.
It never ceases to amaze me how horrible their plans are, but then again if I did drugs all the time my plans would probably be as bad.
The inevitable downfall of corrupt and authoritarian regimes is that they are not meritocratic. Incompetence accumulates and rises to the top.
My thinking has been like this for weeks now:
COVID itself is real enough, but at least 95% of the damage to society was caused by an excessive, hysterical overreaction.
In the spring-summer 2020 period, COVID hysteria was knowingly pushed by the media and Democrats to damage DJT by killing the US economy, and also skew the economy in favor of large "cucked" corporations that Democrats effectively control. In several states, most notoriously NY, they also took the opportunity to literally murder Trump voters by deliberately introducing COVID into senior care facilities.
In the fall of 2020 and continuing to now, the continued lockdowns and shutdowns have a different objective: to prevent Trump supporters from going into the streets after the deep state stole the election for Biden. The actual morbidity due to COVID is small and is almost entirely in the very old who would be vulnerable to any respiratory virus, not just COVID.
As for the false positive tests, that is definitely a real issue (statistically it is impossible for them NOT to be happening especially given the well known issues with PCR), and simply functions as a useful tool to keep people scared, alienated and indoors while the coup proceeds.
No, "COVID-19" is not real. It's a mere construct of a non-specific set of non-specific symptoms associated with a hypothetical causal agent which has never been shown to exist or cause these symptoms.
There are no good statistics for "SARS-CoV-2" RT-PCR tests because there is no gold standard by which to determine the accuracy of tests or the infection rate in any tested group.
PROVE ME WRONG.
I don't understand what you mean by never been shown to exist. You can see COVID-19 viruses on the scanning and transmission electron microscope, and differentiate it from other similar viruses (like MERS-cov and SARS-cov) based on the specific nucleocapsid proteins and the spike protein coatings which gives them their name (the corona).
No. What you can *see *are instrumental effects of electron microscopy which have never been positively identified with the theoretical construct of the "COVID-19 virus". That's never been done, in the first place, because this hypothesised entity has *never *been purified from an alleged host, never mind proved to cause disease in vivo in healthy organisms, and by purified I do not mean the totally impure gemisch that modern virology has given the name "isolate". You are merely interpreting what you are seeing in accord with the narrative of a research paradigm, and that paradigm's methodology lacks the epistemic power to prove its hypothesis.
This is purely a theoretical explanation of instrumental phenomena. Moreover, it is one thing to to give a chemical account of such phenomena; it is entirely another thing to identify them with an exogenous, infectious, disease-causing agent, much less the specific one being blamed for some set of symptoms.
I updooted you both, because this isn’t my area of expertise, but it this is exactly the type of debate that needs to be widely conducted, in public and in private scientific debates... and is precisely the kind of debate that the Leftist totalitarian media has shamefully, shamefully banned.
The sickness in our institutions > the sickness in our bloodstreams
First of all, I can see from your post that you are trying to apply Koch’s postulates, which were created for bacteria, to COVID-19, which is a virus - namely his second clause, that "that the micro-organism must be extracted and isolated from the diseased animal and subsequently grown in culture" for it to be verifiably proven.
These criteria however, were written in 1890, before the discovery of viruses, and are not a good measure of proving whether a virus does or does not exist.
Viruses, unlike bacteria, require host cells in which to replicate, so cannot be isolated from a host, as you say, in the same way Koch defined with bacteria. It would be wrong to look at COVID proof starting from this point and using this measure. This is because viruses are obligate intracellular parasites - so to isolate a particular virus, we have to provide it with live mammalian cells to infect.
One colleague who has dedicated years working with bat viruses and how they interact with human antiviral responses is Arinjay Banerjee. Being familiar with MERS, his team used the same method as there, namely culturing the virus on immunodeficient cells, as this enables it to multiply rapidly.
The source of infection is confirmed by extracting genetic material from the virus, and, of course, sequencing its genome - then compared with all previous known coronaviruses to determine whether it is or isn't a novel one.
Banerjee team has done this successfully, and his work has been confirmed by researchers from SRI, McMaster University and the University of Toronto, then corroborated and improved upon worldwide, by researchers at our own university and elsewhere. (this was back in March)
So it is incorrect to say that COVID-19 has not yet been isolated, because it has. Moreover, a virus cannot be purified from a host due to its nature as an obligate intracellular parasite.
I applaud the fact we are all researching this, though; I hate it when people just blindly follow one thing or another without critical thinking. u/BasedInFact is right that these debates absolutely need to happen publicly and outwardly, because echochambers only lead to ruin. It's the only way safe treatments can be achieved, by assessing risks vs. benefits for everything we do.
tl;dr: COVID is definitely real. We are still learning a lot about it and improving treatments constantly. But it is definitely an asshoe, novel virus that came from China at the end of last year, and it's not the first, second, or third time this has happened.
So what you're saying is....they makin all this shit up.
Prove that those are actually the disease causing agent and that they correspond to the same full sequence genome of SARS-CoV-2.
Wtf are you going on about? You can argue that the government response is excessive (and I mostly everyone probably agrees) but you invalidate your entire argument when you claim the disease itself doesn't even exist. What do you think is going on when there is an outbreak in a senior care home and so many people die?
The other guy is right, whether its a microscope or genome sequence showing its similarity to SARS-cov, the virus does objectively exist
I cant prove you wrong because you are correct
I think it's the other way around; the corporations own the democrats ( and the RINOs)
IMO, it's just to punish the country for voting for Trump. They really do feel entitled to rule over us, and look down on us as insolent children.
I've been saying this. Its punishment.
Streets of Minecraft.
There are oceans of protesters.
Protests aren’t what we need.
Did he buy/sell right before the pandemic hit?
He's one of the richest most active insider traders of all the elites.
I hadn't seen verification. He said anything about covid... But he did say you can't use it to diagnose, especially in an epidemic or pandemic situation. He also shitted on Fauci. He was the O.G. of calling Fauci a fraud. Like 30 years ago until he died.
Correct. However, before he died, he made it clear that PCR is not a "test" you use to locate an unidentified contagion in a person's body. He himself describes it as a "LAB MANUFACTURING TECHNIQUE" designed to create more copies of a desirable molecule.
So let me repeat this part again: no one has isolated and positively identified the COVID-19 "viron", if such a viron even exists. You'll be really surprised to find the origin of the sequence of genes they're using in the COVID-19 PCR primer.
So I've read multiple studies that claim to have isolated the virus using bronchoalveolar lavage for sampling, innoculation in cell culture, and then harvesting. Why do you say nobody has isolated it? Do you disagree with their methods or is there something I'm missing?
I believe they are identifying a human exosome as COVID-19 and using a sequence of human DNA to test for the presence of the exosomes they are labeling COVID-19. That could explain why people test positive even without any trace of actual viral infection or illness or exposure. Exosomes look remarkably similar to what they're saying COVID-19 looks like, though COVID's surface proteins would look a little different, at least according to how they describe it. But compare the images they've published as being of COVID.
Think about it, if you have oxidative stress, any kind of pulmonary infection, cancer, a history of smoking, or anything in that ballpark, you're going to have exosomes and other sources of human DNA debris in your pulmonary mucus. So if they ARE scamming us, they would use a sequence of human DNA in the PCR primer, and thus nearly everyone is capable of testing positive because it's pretty rare that there is no cellular debris in your lungs and running PCR with too many cycles WILL find it if it's there.
I see what you're saying. The papers I looked at only had electron micrographs of exosomes that were "confirmed" COVID with RT-PCR.
I'll take a look again to see if I can find any stronger evidence. Just seems hard to believe that the entire scientific community would either a) be in on the scam; or b) repeat the same mistake ad infinitum, though I have read a few papers that call the whole pandemic into question so there is a small voice of independent thought out there.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Think about how dangerous it is, not only to your hard-won career and tenure and grants, but also to your actual physical life to oppose these people. It's no surprise at all to me that few are shouting and screaming about this, despite how apparently obvious it is even to a layperson. But that's the problem: so many people in our world have pre-wired themselves to commit the fallacy of argument from authority. But remember, argument from authority is only acceptable when everyone agrees as to the veracity and validity of the authority's information.
In this case, we have overwhelming loads of evidence that something isn't right and fuckery is afooot. Money and politics are tied up in this, and are the primary goal of those pushing it forward, not health or human safety.
Keep in mind that at the beginning of all this, many doctors and scientists WERE speaking out about this, but were getting immediately censored.
There is now a worldwide doctors' movement to expose this.
More info
Epstein was real cozy with scientists.
That was a coke, and I can't find a source on your claim about Pepsi. Why would they use one of the most expensive and desired materials on the planet to flavor soda that's considered second-tier cola intended for urban blacks?
They have not isolated the virus. Actually, they have not isolated ANY virus. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10/jon-rappoport/covid-the-virus-that-isnt-there-the-root-fraud-exposed/
Read through Jon Rappaport’s blog. He’s been investigating and reporting on this for YEARS https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Koch’s-Postulates-Dr.-Kaufman-5-4.pdf
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/contagion-myth-thomas-s-cowan-md/1137427415?ean=9781510764644
PCR tests don't pick up "virus particles". They merely amplify genetic sequences based on some assumptions of what one is looking for.
Think about how a lot of these tests are conducted as well - the swabs of all these people are put together with dozens of other samples, sealed in boxes and then sent to a lab probably via UPS or someone who smash the fuck out of them and then the lab runs 35-40 cycles magnifying any potential microscopic amount of viral material a billion times. I remember seeing testing sites in Florida during the summer when they supposedly had the "second wave" there which recorded 100% rates of infection on tests done. All I could think when someone tells me 100% is DANGER, DANGER WIL ROBINSON.
This just isn't true. My lab works with COVID-19 and it behaves just like any other virus.
And I've personally sequenced the booger multiple times from positive patients. It's extremely trivial. You can even use Sanger sequencing (outdated at this point, and cheap as all hell) to sequence novel bits of the genome using consensus sequences from the usual strains.
It absolutely is a real thing, it's just blown way the fuck out of proportion.
How do you know the genome you are sequencing is really a novel coronavirus?
Any full genome that is published is automatically suspect because there is no documented evidence that it was originally isolated from nature. Are you aware that the CDC owns patents on coronavirus, as well as the vaccines, and even the detection kits?
Where is this year’s flu?
Amen
Hi China!
You are assssshhooooe!
Rove, China
What's all this hubbub I've heard about the COVID PCR primer containing human DNA sequences? Is it a coincidence or a case of different genomes containing the same sequence? Or is it simply totally untrue that there's human DNA in the primer?
Yeap, at this point experts can claim whatever they want, I won't believe it until I am able to consume digestible and repeatable proof.
They also told us that Americans burning oil causes global warming but Chinese burning the same oil doesn’t.
Not credible.
The same Johns Hopkins that was a main contributor to Event 201?
Lol. "Isolation" is the virology literature is obtaining an "isolate" that is full of additive chemicals, foreign organic matter like bovine serum and cellular debris from lysis. Words don't change reality.
So you think he was killed years ago because he would expose Covid 19 as a fraud?
Conservatives and right wingers looking for conspiracies all over the place, under every rock, no matter how improbable or ridiculous, while Democrats openly steal things and burn things and kill things. Brilliant. This is how they stole the election. Our team is looking for false flags and chemtrail’s and others fucking bullshit while Democrats are, in the open and in the public, stealing our country. Brilliant. Keep doing that.
It’s the equivalent of having your nose in your computer looking for secret messages while tanks are rolling down the street outside.
No, you're literally putting words in my mouth. Of course it's a possibility, but I haven't seen enough information or evidence to "believe" that it's true. It's in the "maybe" pile. Where it will probably stay. Because we'll probably never know for sure.
Or that children have the brain capacity to understand & make the decision that they’re trans. Or that flooding refugees into a country has nothing but beneficial results. Or that a majority of violent crime is definitely not committed by black people. Or that Trump is a Russian puppet installed by Putin himself despite the Mueller report concluding there’s zero evidence of that whatsoever. Or that covid is a rampant killer and that daring to step foot outside your home during a FuCkIng GloBaL pAndEmIc brands you ass a mass grandma murderer, unless of course you’re “putting your own life at risk” by going out to protest for a drug addicted criminal that died from a drug overdose and not from the officer restraining him. Or that looters/rioters were white supremacists, or that the “OK” hand gesture is a white supremacist symbol, or that fetuses are just “clumps of cells”, or that white silence = violence, or that women are oppressed, or that black people will never be successful/smart/etc because of reasons they can’t control (bigotry of low expectations), or that there’s zero biological difference between men and women.
Oh man I could go on forever.
Hong Cough.
3 downvotes for Chink Chest? This shit is hilarious.
Xieasles.
Last night on InfoWars they showed a speaker from Australia who demonstrated that even testing a soft drink showed that the soft drink had covid!! And quoted other scientists who said the covid vaccines alter DNA and cause women to be sterile. So I guess it’s all on course with Gates’ and his father’s agenda.
The President of Tanzania called it out in May. He got positive tests for a papaya, a goat and engine oil. It’s ridiculous.
Elon Musk and many others have gotten conflicting results even in one session from the same lab, same nurse, same site. How is any of this scientific if the results are not repeatable.
See Alex jones "end game"? Find it.
Thanks, even though I listen to him on most days I haven't seen that yet.
Exactly. The testing places know that the results are false positives but don't want to get sued if they call an RT-PCR test "negative" that another place might call "positive" as there is no standard cutofff.
Since an infectious exposure is around 1000 virions, that equates to somewhere around 20-25 cycles, thus anything over 30 cycles is easily false positive.
Exactly the lack of published standards AND the cycles used for each positive test mean the test is a black hole. Nobody knows how many cycles have been or should be used. How has testing changed as the case counts rise? That info is deliberately lost forever.
The lack of transparency is simply astounding given the seriousness of the public impact of these positive test results. They used fear to grab this power and refuse to allow any transparency to protect it!
Thank you for the explanation. I wasn't familiar with the subject matter but I am trying to learn and better understand what is happening. Thanks.
PCR, or Polymerase Chain Reaction, takes a certain marked genetic sequence found in the PCR's primer, and causes replication of that sequence. One cycle = one duplication. Now, I'm not a subject matter expert, but shouldn't that mean that 25 cycles or 25 duplications would turn 1 relevant molecule into 33.5 million? There is a lot of good, untainted information on PCR because 1 year ago, using it to test for infections was unheard of. PCR's purpose is REPLICATING TEMPLATE DNA.
So now ask the most important question of all. Given that "COVID-19" has not been isolated and positively identified, what exactly is the origin of the TEMPLATE DNA that they use in the COVID-19 PCR?
Also, please help me out and join me in never using the phrase "PCR test"
Just call it "PCR" and keep in mind it was never designed as a test, and misusing it will guarantee a false positive because the TEMPLATE DNA that it looks for is ubiquitous in the human body.
How about calling it "PCR amplification"? Or something like that
Sounds fair to me, since that is what it does. They move the sample between three temperature ranges that cause it to fall apart, duplicate, and then reassemble itself, with the three stages composing one cycle, and one cycle ideally duplicating the template sequence once (doubling the number of that molecule each cyle)
It's used as a test all the time. Specifically to measure viral titers in the blood or a particular tissue of interest. If you have any questions on the particulars, let me know. More than happy to explain!
After making that comment, I learned it was also used in suspicious ways in the early HIV days. Another commenter went into fine detail on how it works to detect a virus (fluorescence, pair length comparison against known introduced sequences that act like a ruler, etc) and how there are up and down controls. What can you tell me about the origin of the genetic sequence in the COVID PCR primer?
I can't make that claim for certain, people are definitely getting sick with something. I think my point is there is a lot less of the virus than they claim, and they are using a variety of tricks to make it seem worse and more prevalent than it is. There is a chance that they have simply put the COVID-19 label on regular seasonal infections, cold, flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, whatever.
Sir, what is your intention here in asking me to define basic terms I've been using in my comments throughout this thread? Are you unaware and incapable of using a search engine? Do you really think I've never done so?
Why are you trying to put your words in my mouth instead of simply using my words?
Are you trying to get juicy screenshots to post on whatever Reddit shithole you call home or what?
I heard that the tests are to be conducted UP TO a given number of cycles (40-45), but they may become positive "way below" that number.
Is this true?
Of course. The total number of cycles affects the amount of time the overall takes, but if there is a lot of RNA, it will be detected at much lower cycles. For a better understanding just type PCR into a search engine and look at images. Each cycle is a doubling event, so you get exponential amplification of the original nucleic acid present. Detection at 40 cycles means you started with a forensic trace level of nucleic acid.
Do we know if most reach positive around 40, or is it 20?
That's a game changer, right there....
Hmm, not quite the right interpretation. At 20 Ct, a large amount of viral RNA was detected and is thus called "positive" even if a person is shedding zero infectious virions. It is an indirect, correlation type test. At 40 Ct, a positive might come up but it is meaningless because that amount of starting RNA could have come from someone sneezing in the testing room or on the swab before it was used to collect.
It is more like a light source. You can have a really bright one or a very dim one. Depending on where you decide it is bright "enough" is the line between light and dark. If there is no common definition, then some tests will be "light" and some "dark".
Exactly, but isn't there a correlation between "viral load" and "likelihood of shedding"?
Most agree anything found above 35 cycles isn't even viable... But if everyone tested positive @ only 10 cycles, many more would be sick...
10 cycles is way too soon. That generally indicates a probe failure.
As far as I have seen there are no comprehensive manuscripts correlating viral load (based on actual viral culture) & shedding (actually infectious virions. Many virions made during replication are not competent as RNA polymerase is quite error prone.) The few that have tried indicate no correlation, so the RT-PCR testing is meaningless from a disease spread standpoint.
Could I get a source as to where you’re getting that 1000 virion/20-25 cycle number?
A false positive means that the test is positive when you’re not infected at all (I.e. 0 RNA fragments). It doesn’t mean there was a small amount of RNA that lead to an asymptomatic infection.
Anything detected above 35 cycles can't produce viable virus. (Raoult)
Even fauci says: above 35 "is mostly dead virus parts".
Don't forget that RT-PCR only tests for a fragment of the virus' RNA (usually thr RdRP) and the majority of people still test "positive" well after recovery using that test. Of thousands of publications on testing, not one has recovered infectious virus after 7 days from onset of symptoms. Meaning the natural immune system for the vast majority of people fights off this infection, exactly like it does with influenze, RSV and the 4 common cold coronaviruses.
1000 virions and cycle is a general number from pretty much all respiratory infectious viruses, expressed as ID50 (50% of exposed people will be infected at this level). Any virology textbook has these number.
This publication from Mike Mina is the most salient to this discussion: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2025631
Came here to say that.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-19-rt-pcr-test-how-mislead-all-humanity-accepting-societal-lock-downs
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/first-time-us-state-will-require-disclosure-pcr-test-cycle-data
Lowering the Ct will make it look like COVID vanished. I guarantee this is the magic plan. Nobody can tell what company is doing the testing, what Ct they are using, or even what primer sets. They are making a fortune in testing and have a potent political weapon.
We're gonna chop off so many hands when we unravel all of this. I can't believe there's any room in the cookie jar for cookies with this many motherfuckers grubbing their hands around in there.
You’re exactly right.
If under some streak of dumb luck, Biden gets in, this is exactly what they’ll do. This way he looks like a hero.
well, maybe not 'looks like', but will be promoted as such.
I didn't know that Florida had done that. So the Florida DoH should be getting the cycle data now.
The real question is what Florida will do with the information. Will they follow up on positives to see if they or others in code contact with them developed symptoms? Will they correlate the percent who developed symptoms with the number of cycles run on the PCR test?
If they do, it could be the beginning of the end of the "casedemic" in Florida, because I am pretty sure that DeSantis has the balls to use the data to say that positives over a certain number of cycles are not really positive in the absence of symptoms. Or just flat out refuse to accept PCR tests over a certain number of cycles.
It will take time to see which PCR positive people develop symptoms, and then to collect and analyze the data, though.
Hopefully DeSantis already has people setting up the infrastructure and procedures to do the data collection and analysis.
That is my hope as well but we have to see what happens.
Yep. Watch covid disappear in Florida first. They’ll say it’s the sunlight or some nonsense and not the PCR test
This entire scenario is designed to do nothing more than get everyone to accept being IMPRISONED in their own homes.
I've told this to a few people and they look at like I've got sh*t for brains. Then I ask them if they are quarantined, and others know, and they leave the house what will happen? They immediately say they will likely be told to return home and will be fined and then forced back home by somebody (with a gun).
When you are forced to stay at home at gunpoint you are being IMPRISONED.
Suddenly they cringe a bit, their brow goes high, and they start nodding in agreement. The light has come on.
AZ is at 40x it is insane!
And they STILL can't convince us COVID is real, though they sure are trying with that "Oh hospitals are over COVID capacity" garbage.
Our fucking hospitals are ghost towns, what is "covid capacity?" 10% of your available beds?
Arizona has had a worse "casedemic" than many places. The dry air and higher average temperatures combined with people being used to not going outside as much, I can't stress enough. I personally know in excess of 50 elderly people that "tested positive" and never had a sniffle.
Take above-average measures that work against the common cold; keep warm, drink water, take zinc, get HCQ if you can, keep up on vitamins overall. Cactus don't transmit COVID so we're safe even if it is a real virus and not a bullshit disguise slapped on Cold\Flu\Pneumonia.
Before the shutdown, I played poker with a bunch of nurses from a middle size town hospital. I asked what the normal hospital load is for a bad year of influenza.
The answer: "110%".
6 family members at Mass General. 3 nurse friends at other hospitals. Cases, yes. Mostly people who are overly worried about it, have good insurance, and can pay for their time in beds. Plenty of beds open, and most people are released. It's all a joke.
To elaborate a bit. In a perfect world you could run an arbitrary number of PCR cycles without an issue... but it's not a perfect world.
A PCR cycle, ideally, effectively goes "any DNA that has a region that matches this start and end gets doubled". With the idea that after a bunch of doublings it becomes fairly obvious if the target is present or not. (One classic method at the end is, essentially, toss in some DNA of known sizes, sort the result by size, and check if anything is the 'right size' for what you're looking for. (E.g. if you're looking for something that should be 1140 base pairs long, you might toss in DNA with a length of 1000, 1050, 1100, 1150, 1200, etc. And then you get a nice 'ruler' within which you can search for your target.) There are other methods of course.)
The idea being that you pick a start and end 'key' (primer) that's fairly unique to the thing you're hunting for, with the size check at the end as an additional filter / crosscheck.
But everything at those scales is fuzzy. There is no such thing as "matching only that specific sequence" - if something is "close enough" it will still, occasionally, double. Like jamming a jigsaw puzzle piece in where it doesn't belong. And even if something does match it won't always double, especially as the concentration increases. Eventually, you don't get doubling because, well, there isn't enough free material around to be able to double.
So what happens as the number of cycles increases? Well, if there is a true match it'll double for the first while, then saturate and flatten out to quasi-linear. And if there's something that isn't a good fit, and say replicates 10% of the time? Well, it'll still be exponential growth, just slower. But you replicate enough and you will still saturate sooner or later.
This is really useful. Thanks
Correct. 25 successful replication cycles of a single sequence would produce 33.5 million copies. Running 30-35-40 cycles is going to convince you shit is present that probably isn't "really" present...
I understood all of that, thank you! I know literally nothing about the antibody test or any other COVID tests that may exist, but PCR in particular jumped out and jumps out harder the more I learn about it. Apparently fragments of other rhinovirii can also trigger a positive result?
Do you know from where they get the sequence that's used in the COVID PCR primer?
Wow - I was actually really curious about how the immune system identifies a hostile protein or gene sequence, let alone how it successfully creates an antagonist to block its active sites or damage it... So you say it just shotguns attempts, inside the Thymus, until it notices that one of the attempts successfully inactivated the hostile protein?
It makes sense, because there may be a variety of different ways to damage, denature, or inactivate a protein. Find something that sticks to it and twists it, changes the shape of the active site, whatever. But that's probably also one of the ways we get mutated, altered proteins that end up interacting with something that they didn't used to! Which is why having contagions cross species lines can be a huge problem. Who knows when a pathogen accustomed to a given species will enter the environment of a different species and find that its weapons are extremely effective against something found in the new host.
Lastly, I see that you guys have a method of binding highly recognizable molecules (fluorphores?) to the target sequence, so even if PCR amplifies other shit, that other shit should not glow the way your target sequence does. Right?
this would be the "it's too complicated to understand, just trust us" reply.
Trust is gone, in case you hadn't noticed.
If you can't explain your test easily in a low trust environment, your test is useless.
Speak for yourself. I'm an EE who did network engineering for 20 years. I can tell you how the electrons wiggle when you make an AWS API call.
I'm also a trained metrologist. i.e. an expert in measurement. My rule in becoming an expert is if I can't write a procedure that the technical staff can understand, then my method of measurement is probably bullshit. I've had to explain measurement techniques to field engineers, and have succeeded.
I also know enough biology to teach my kids high school biology (which I have to since the schools shut down).
The PCR test isn't that complicated to understand for anyone with a Bachelor of Science degree who has been a responsible engineer for a product or service, or a computer scientist who understands exponential functions in their bones (which should be at least half of them). That's millions of Americans.
The PCR test beyond about 32 replications (yes depending on the sampling technique) is complete bullshit. And questionable somewhere between 28 and 32.
The guy who won the Nobel for creating the PCR technique is correct.
The elitism is dripping all over you, it looks disgusting. You should wipe that crap off.
I might suggest that starting off with belittling the person you are replying to is not the most effective technique.
Yes, this is oversimplified. All summarizations are.
I could say "to understand this go get a BSc"; that wouldn't be particularly helpful. (And someone with a MSc would in turn complain...)
...or an unintended partial match of something else present in the sample that is nevertheless close enough to replicate. Negative controls don't help with that.
(...well, kinda. It does help if your negative control happens to include said something else. It doesn't help if e.g. the novel sequence you selected for your primer isn't as novel as you thought it was and there's some other benign virus floating around somewhere (not in your negative control) that has a partial match.)
I suppose it depends on what your definition of "real positive" is. Yes, in some senses finding something else in the sample that replicates is a real positive; it's still a false positive in the sense that it didn't find what the test was intended to look for.
Absolutely. Which ends up with over 7 - 10 additional rounds of PCR compared to a typical lab experiment, rather by definition. And in turn means that you have an additional 7-10 rounds of PCR affecting any inadvertent partial matches also.
And again, assumptions and attempted belittlement. I might suggest that you'd get a better response in general if you gave the same knowledge presented in a somewhat less belligerent manner.
I might suggest that you'd get a better response in general if you read what was written as opposed to what you assumed was said.
Kindly do not put words in other people's mouths.
Depends a lot on how exactly the dilution is done. As a counterexample: if you've got rare particles with enough in one particle to be detected after the full PCR process, then no. More dilution will decrease the chance of a particle being found in a test, and hence percentage of samples that are positive in that case, but won't increase the number of rounds required to be detected if a particle is present. (At least in the regime where the probability of more than one particle in a sample is relatively low.)
In an ideal world that would never happen - your sample prep and dilution would ensure that no such particles would be present - if only we lived in an ideal world.
Most of the NPC's I know don't care what the tests actually say. Getting tested is the new I voted sticker... They are FAGGOTs
Gotta get tested for the deadly virus otherwise you'll never know you had it 🤡
But if there are too many cases we could achieve herd immunity and then the whole thing will be ruined!
They talk out if both sides of their asses.
We lowered the capacity of hospitals to 15 people, to keep you safe.
Ahhhhhh!! Hospitals are at max capacity! We are so overwhelmed here guys!!
Yep it's nonsense. There's no overcrowded hospitals like they're claiming. They're only backed up because of all the procedural bullshit that's not even necessary
Dead people voting. Healthy people getting tested and finding they have the most deadly virus in history.
I bet people still aren't going to wake up after getting a vaccine that messes them up and finding that when you sue the company over it it's just going to a kangaroo court. These people are completely controlled.
Nope, it’ll be a new democrat faction for identity politics to latch onto—the vaccine disabled. They’ll be “heroes” and it’ll be racist to suggest it’s the manufacturer’s fault.
If they die from it, they'll be new democrat voters too.
None of those cases will see a court. They have liability protections
No credibility anywhere. Best thing that has happened. Control becomes less sustainable when trust is gone.
This is what should really wake people up. During the H1N1 pandemic they tested people because they were sick, and believe me, you fucking knew you were sick if you had H1N1. Yet during that pandemic there was no misleadia hype, no masks (in fact the CDC specifically advised against masks), no "social distancing", no quarantine, and no lockdowns to destroy the economy and collapse small businesses.
What you expect them to research, analyze, and make informed decisions?
Hey look, the McRib is back, better get in line and talk about those zingers your favorite team is throwing.
Lemmings going to lemming.
I wish we could get them to drink cyanide kool aid. It wouldn't be hard. Just tell them it's aborted fetus blood that kills racism in white people.
[ Hollywood/ DNC already do this ]
Follow the white rabbit
Testing gets you virtue likes on failbook.
Testing positive gives you significant victim likes on failbook.
Having someone you love die with the coof gives you maximum victim likes on failbook.
I know a woman whose uncle died recently and he tested negative for the coof. She is pushing to have an autopsy because she doesn’t believe the negative coof test. She needs those internet points!
Coof made me lol. Thank you.
More like getting tested is the new wearing a mask. A mask is a magical placebo that protects you from the disease no matter what.
According to the inventor of PCR tests, the use of PCR tests to diagnose viral infection is completely fraudulent.
The abuse of PCR tests was started during the HIV scam. The inventor tried to stop its exploitation back then, but millions of dollars were involved and he failed. Now billions of dollars are at stake and they are using the same scam.
it's a real shame that dude died in August 2019 and wasn't around to give interviews on the COVID pandemic and the testing methodology
I believe he was murdered.
If he was around today he would have been screaming from the rooftops. No way they could let him be around
He also directly came out and insulted Fauci by name. No way that he wasn't taken out.
What was his name? I'd like to read up on it too
Kary Mullis
Thank you fren!
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If I remember right, a woman who was part of that team is speaking out against it now.
Did you ever see what he thought of one Anthony Fauci? You're gonna love it...
https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1336972646613798913?s=20
wow, so god damn relevant and he's not even talking about covid.
He also said this when only 1980s/early 1990s equipment was available. PCR used to be done using multiple water baths at different temperatures. This is like taking a quote from a surgeon in the 1920s saying heart transplants were impossible and using that as evidence to say heart transplants don't occur today.
OK, that's information I didn't have before. So, PCR tests are able to provide more granular information now? My response was premised upon information that I got from a tech in a food lab who runs certification tests for "HMO-Free" foods. He explains that PCR tests are of little value to him, because they do not quantify anything. They only indicate positive or negative. The only way to infer quantity is through multiple samples and try to draw an inference from the average number of cycles required to detect the subject DNA sequence. He explained that this is never done and is not considered scientifically valid. So, the most recent information that I have is that PCR tests do not quantify at all, only indicate presence or not.
Then, what I have heard, but I would love if you could educate me if I am incorrect, is that the current tests we run in the US are based upon a single strain of some corona virus, assumed to be COVID since the subject had recently travelled to China and came back with COVID-like symptoms. Further, I have been told, but maybe you know better, than PCR tests are using run with 22-28 cycles, and for some reason the US is running at close to 40 cycles.
Further, I have been told that the Supreme Court of Portugal recently determined that the error rate in PCR tests is much too high, with false positives of nearly 97% and determined that the detention of 4 German travelers was invalid. I have been told, that there is presently not a single published study showing a correlation between PCR test results and COVID related symptoms.
So, I stand by my previous comment and believe that the underlying science from the 80's still renders PCR tests useless for diagnosis of viral infections. Instead, PCR tests indicate the presence of at least one strand of the subject DNA sequence.
PCR can definitely be used for quantification, this is usually referred to as qPCR (quantitative) or real-time PCR. PCR can be used in numerous different ways and its most routine forms are not quantitative, but appropriate controls and standards make quantification possible. A quick google scholar search for qPCR or quantitative PCR will bring up thousands of articles using it and a fair number describing how to do it properly, along with its caveats (every experimental system has limitations). I assume you mean GMO-free foods? PCR would indeed be a poor test for detecting all potential or uncharacterized GMOs, so maybe something got conflated there.
The cycle number really isn't a meaningful piece of information to grab onto unless you know exactly how the assay is being run. Are they using Taqman probes? What type of lightcycler/dye is being used? Are samples multiplexed? Frankly, people here flailing about cycle number may as well be shouting they have no experience with qPCR - its just not that simple. The stats for all the tests are easy to find online (specificity, sensitivity, etc) but it can be hard to figure out which one is being used for your sample in particular.
I don't know the details of the Portugal case, but this would be similar to throwing out the use of fingerprints because 1 court in Portugal found their technicians weren't using them appropriately. There are a huge number of reasons this may happen - if you have a link to a story I'd be happy to look at it.
The catch about diagnosing viral infections is that the test alone cannot tell you if the presence/absence of a piece of DNA is clinically relevant. This has to be paired with epidemiological data concerning the amount of virus expected to be in someone with an active infection or someone developing an infection. In the case of HIV, detecting any was very bad (there is no 'safe' level of HIV in the blood as they may be with other viruses), so the quote from the 80s is particularly wrong in its original context. Knowing how much virus is dangerous allows for qPCR to be used to diagnose viral infections.
Finally, Just because the person invented PCR doesn't mean he understands every possible use of it. This is like expecting the inventor of the internal combustion engine to know the top speed of a car 100 years after he is dead - hundreds of people just as smart as the inventor have put decades into improving these techniques.
Hey dude, I finally did some research on your quotes above. Thing is - it appears that the Covid tests commonly in use are not quantitative PCR tests. I see that LabCorp recently came out with a quantitative test, but I don't believe it has been approved.
Here is the case I mentioned about the Portugal Supreme Court ruling that the PCR test is unreliable and not a reasonable basis for forced quarantine: https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2020-11-27/covid-pcr-test-reliability-doubtful-portugal-judges/56962
I'm a doctor. All tests have something called a sensitivity, ie. the % of true positives identified from all positives and specificity, ie. the % of true negatives identified from all negatives.
Let's say the sensitivity is 95% and the sensitivity is 99%, we'll first run 100000 tests in a population where 1/100 has the condition and one then one where 1/1000 has the condition
1000 have condition 99000 not, we find 950 TruPos, 50 FalseNeg and 98010 TruNeg and 990 FalseNeg
950/(990+950)=49% of Pos are TruPos and 98010/(98010+50)=99% of Neg are TruNeg
100 have condition and we find 95 TruPos and 5 FalseNeg and 98901 TruNeg and 999 FalsePos
95/(999+95)=8.6% of positives are TruPos and 98901/(98901+5)=99.99% of negatives are TruNeg
So the the positive predictive value ( TruePos/AllPos) is greatly dependent on the prevalence or chance before testing of having a certain condition.
So just testing everyone with no or minor symptoms leads to many false positives
This is the classic fallacy that everybody should understand before someone tries to trick you with it. So many people wrongly believe that if your test for some rare disease is positive, it means you definitely have the disease. Actually if the false positive rate is high enough, your odds of having it are still very low, as seen above.
And, even more insidiously, the false positive rate IS NOT A CONSTANT. Tests like this are designed to ensure the TRUE POSITIVE and TRUE NEGATIVE rates are at least a certain value, but the false positive and false negative rates are determined by the true positive/true negative specs as well as the proportion of positives and negatives in the population you're testing.
The more people in the population that you're testing have the virus, the higher your false negative rate and the lower your false positive rate, and vice versa.
Makes it very hard to determine what the false positive rate even is, because we do not have a fixed population breakdown from which we are testing.
I really don’t understand this comment and the 3 above it.
I got tested for work. What does mean for me?
It's so rushed and such BS.
If it's such a terrifying disease it would be double checked.
For example a patient tests positive for HIV with the western blot. You don't call them and be like hey good morning guess what you got HIV. It has to be confirmed with ELISA or whatever other test.
Same thing with drug testing. Preliminary has to be confirmed with GC/MS.
All Dr’e need to speak on this to stop the nonsense.
They’ll just take our licenses away
I've been saying this for 8 months. Check my only top level post.
This is a good illustration:
https://puzzlewocky.com/paradoxes/the-false-positive-paradox/
I think we are living through widespread and massive covid-19 fraud.
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The nation that let the perpetrators of 9/11 get away with it wouldn't do something like that. Are you crazy?
Why are you calling me crazy?
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Not only are deaths not going up, but we're on track to roughly match last year's total for all-cause mortality.
The vast majority of people "killed" by covid-19 in 2020 were overwhelmingly likely to die this year regardless, if by some other cause.
Ethical Skeptic on Twitter has all Ready shown this "pull forward" effect.
How can you have a pandemic when no additional people actually die?
Hollywood magic!
pan·dem·ic /panˈdemik/ adjective (of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.
I’ve been seeing blips from the MSM that daily deaths have surpassed the number from earlier this spring.
I’m just assuming they are adding all normal flu deaths to the tally. It’s chicken little reporting at its finest.
When you falsely claim 5% of the population has covid you also get to claim 5% of typical old age deaths.
Well, something funky is going on.
Here are my states stats:
https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm
They are in AZ. Or so the news says.
Its rekindled a whole new wave of fuckery here and emboldened the Retards. No more dirty looks, now theyre reminding you how selfish you are for not complying during a pandemic.
In reality world, I've now seen more masks littered on the streets than alcohol bottles.
Ga State data, with 14 day lag. Tests and so called cases spiking. Deaths... nah... dropping... and have been dropping for a while. See the official Ga tracking report. And show by date of onset or death...NOT date if report.
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report
Things I would like answers to... but cannot find anywhwere...
... What is the IFR by age group for the flu? CDC has published for covid, and clearly if you're under 65 there is almost zero risk of death.
... In years past, have all deaths been tested for the flu? Because that may be skewing the numbers.
Thanks. Yeah... you'd think they'd give a side-by-side. Also this has larger age groupings (18-49 vs their Covid numbers which are by decade up to 75 or 80)
This guy says up to 99% of the PCR tests are false positives. Not a typo. No doubt that Fauxvid-19 is not a big deal. Essentially the same as standards influenza
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D1onx7LaNio
There is no "covid", nineteen or any other.
There may or may not be. There's always something floating around, this is for sure, but whatever is out there, we've discovered dozens of effective therapeutics, from HCQ to chicken soup. Hospitals have not been overrun, they've shut down 75% of their wings to focus solely on COVID and ended up cramming everybody into unimaginably tight spaces to make it LOOK like they're overrun. The majority of victims of this disease already had comorbidities and DNR's on their charts. The tests, as far as I can tell, are flipping results to positive like they were built by Dominion. And for this we shut down the world for 9 months, now with either an extremely difficult road to recovery or handing all business over to Amazon and China.
TL;DR there's probably a disease, but it's a glorified cold, and we done got had.
Unless we vaccinate against it, then maybe every common cold becomes deadly through pathogenic priming...
There is NO "covid-19". End of discussion. Beat it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2258702/
It was supposed to be deadlier, but made in China.
Yep, a bioweapon dud.
So, you believe the nih.gov now? What's next, you're gonna quote fauci?
That link is a study published in 2008 by the Wuhan Institute of Virology detailing their efforts to make a corona virus from a bat transferable to humans by splicing in parts of SARS and HIV and hosted at nih who funded the study iirc.
It's the most primary source possible regarding the creation of covid.
Oh, so you believe the chicoms. Next you are gonna quote fauci and CNN. Got it.
Hence, the large proportion of asymptomatic patients.
So true, and I hadn't thought of it this way before. Nobody says you have an asymptomatic TB infection. You have latent TB. I get that TB is not a virus, but the idea stands.
It provided the mass hysteria necessary to steal an election.
Large percentage of COVID tests ARE false positives, both by design and also by malevolence.
The "by design" part is true for all kinds of medical tests. Because you don't want to miss any real positive, you necessarily overshoot and get a lot of false positives.
Surprisingly few people know it, but a "normal" accepted true/false positive rate for medical tests is around 10%. Meaning that if you test positive, your chances of being effectively positive are around 10%.
Does it mean that we should immediately divide the publicly available number of cases by 10? It does.
Does it mean that we should immediately divide the publicly available count of COVID deaths (defined as "dead after X weeks of being tested positive) by 10? It does.
Does it mean that COVID doesn't exist or is not a real concern? It doesn't.
You had me until the last paragraph.
It should read: “Does it mean that COVID doesn’t exist or we should be treating it any different than a bad flu season? It doesn’t.”
Agreed, in the sense that a bad flu season would also be a real concern.
However covid is def. more violent for the ones who really got it. Some people I know got it months ago and haven't recovered their sense of smell yet. Some have had permanently damaged lungs. Some others have been fine since then.
Definitely more serious than flu.
Also just to mention, just because someone says COVID is a real problem doesn't mean he's a normie: COVID can exist and be a real thing, while having been created deliberately to be spread and apply the measures we see today.
Your original comment lays out a case that it is NOT more serious than the flu.
The vast majority of those killed or severely impacted by Covid were due to hospital and medical malfeasance. Ventilators killed more than they saved. Restrictions on cheap OTC medicine turned non-threatening cases into serious ones. Lockdowns killed more people than they saved (except perhaps for the massive reduction in car fatalities.)
Another important point is that the flu kills people in all age groups. Covid kills people based on their expected morbidity. If anything, the children killed by the flu every year before now is a much more serious and impactful event, because it erases many more productive years of life even though fewer may actually die.
Can't disagree with you
I've had colds that have impacted my sense of smell for months, and any case of pneumonia in itself can have complications that cause permanent lung damage.
I think the next-worst flu season in the last decade was 60k dead, so even in this scenario its a nightmarish flu-season that persists year-round
The PCR positive tests would be like detecting you have a penny and are therefore classified as a millionaire.
Coworker's wife had two people test positive where she worked, and the state automatically recorded that 15 other people were positive even though they either were negative or werent tested. "Two positive? Okay so 15 positive."
And people who test positive and go through the quarantine, keep retesting to determine when they are 'free' from the virus. Every positive they get is another positive lumped into the country/state totals, falsely inflating the numbers.
I learnified dat kinder maff frum common core.
Yes, they do the same thing here in Oregon. A single case results in 20 "presumptive cases". Gotta pump up those numbers!
This has been obvious for a while.
The tests are positive. But it didn't mean what they are saying. Any virus going through the population (especially for the first time) would have similar numbers.
The fact is that there ARE NOT more death in 2020 than in previous years.
The usual causes have been "replaced" by COVID.....
What a coincidence.
Can’t you just be happy that covid cured cancer and many other diseases?!
Yep... Add a 98% decline in influenza .....
It's a miracle......
I'm forced by my employer to receive a nasal lobotomy every Monday...
This company is 700 people and has hundreds of contractors/construction workers visiting each month at our buildings
Not ONE positive test since March and this is in the Bay Area. Shit doesn't exist
"Nasal lobotomy" I have been telling people this from the start! If it hurts so much to get the test, what damage are they doing? I also wonder about the lost of taste and smell, is this only occurring in people that got the nasal lobotomy and then test positive? Is that from illness of from frontal lobe damage? I would let em probe my anus before i ever let them probe my frontal lobe! (just kidding! They can stay the fuck away from me with their invasive probes and pricks!!) Also, what else can be done with that swab they take away? DNA testing, cataloging. No thanks! Nice try tho!
Well seeing as how every week we’re told x number of NFL players tested positive and an hour before game time it’s “lol j/k false positives, the entire lot.”
Some were taking 4 or more tests and half come back false positive. It's all deliberate
Both the FDA and the CDC have admitted on their own sites that the antigen tests are totally flawed and we know the pcr tests are worthless. Fauci (I have the vid) states clearly that pcr results after 35 cycles are totally unusable. The standard is 40 cycles in the US. The tests are garbage, there is no pandemic.
Considering a can of Coke just tested positive, yes
My goat and papaya say 90%
Alex said that the president/scientist (of Tanzania?) sent many other random things and they came back positive. And someone else tested a Coke and it tested positive. Sad!
And that was back in April !!!!
Bayes’ Theorem. If you have COVID tests that give a false positive 2% of the time and you administer 300 million tests (I’ve been tested 4 times), that’s 6 million positive tests. Every positive test is counted as a case.
Candace Owens says it well.
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1259631071831957505?s=20
These hospitals all get money, so yeah you're going to list anything and everything as covid. And if a few administrators have to fudge some paperwork, who cares.
How many have thought, since the first month of "flatten the curve" that this whole things was a bloody filthy con? Me!
Every single one of us.
Liberals got tired of us always using "the facts" against them. For years, all they heard from us was "the facts, the facts, the facts..."
So they decided to fudge the numbers. They decided to manipulate tests, manipulate votes, manipulate any data they could get their hands on so they could try to take away the power of "the facts" that they heard about for so many years.
I’m too lazy to archive this article because I’m shitting and I’m using a phone, but fuel for your question... Start of nfl training camp, 77 players tested positive for covid, all were false positives. There’s a wapo article floating out there with the deets
No proof but i'd guess over 70%
The governor of Pennsylvania just announced he had covid and the next day said he tested negative then negative again. His excuse was they must have caught it at the end of the disease. POS
My anecdotal experience is the same. I know tons of people who've been tested regularly. All have been negative. Only time anyone has ever tested positive is when they were truly sick.
That to me indicates normal false positive rates. Maybe a little higher than normal. That means there's still large amounts of false positives. What I'm curious about is if the test mistakes others viruses for covid-19 as well. It doesn't seem likely that flu just disappeared because of covid. It also doesn't seem likely that regular cold disappeared either. I'm wondering if the tests are catching those viruses.
The real issue with the testing isn't necessarily the tests themselves but with recording the tests. There have been numerous reports of places double counting. The recording of covid-19 positives is as fictitious as Biden votes.
The common cold is a covid virus. So the covid-19 test will also pop positive if someone has the common cold.
The CDC's own website admits that the COVID test can return positive for persons infected with other coronaviruses - which make up about 30% of colds.
Conisidering how prevalent colds are, it's a certain that many people who simply have a cold are being told they have COVID and quarantined, losing wages, causing businesses to close, etc.
What we can't know is how much of this fall's spike in "COVID cases" - which is occurring everywhere regardless of mask mandates and lockdowns - is due to the common cold.
I've had five co-workers come up positive, only one had symptoms. He basically had the flu.
I work in IT but at Texas Medical Center, TMC does a great job of not being full of crap.
Perhaps your facility is not full of crap?
I work with a California company and we had to stop work for a few days after someone tested positive. I don’t know who the person was but apparently he or she had mild symptoms. There are only 20 people in the company - and I couldn’t tell who it was. The mild symptoms were probably fatigue or headaches . Since the person tested positive, we all got tested and I think 2 more tested positive. No symptoms.
And this is a perfect example of the unnecessary fear and economic damage being inflicted across the country every day.
Vitamin d zinc and quercetin are preventatives. Vitamin d deficiency is one of the key indicators for having to go to the hospital. It’s like 85% of cases
I imagine the "regular" testing may be more accurate but the random paranoid people getting tested is where they pump up their numbers like the democrat counties did with votes.
Yep. I refuse to give away my DNA or to be infected on purpose.
It's a plandemic, a hoax.
Whether positive or not. The metric they’re using to enforce lock downs are “cases”
That’s usually defined as “any person testing positive + anyone that person has come in close contact with” or “an inconclusive test + anyone that person has come in close contact with”
A nurse friend told me that every positive test counts a new case. So if someone tested positive three times, it's counted as three different cases. At her work, if they get it (she and her family did get mild flu symptoms and positive tests) they have to have two negative tests to come back to work. So all those tests add up.
When an Austrian politician performs a Covid test live on TV on a glass of coca cola and it comes up positive, then you know these tests are BS!
Watch this video from ex-employee of Fauci
https://rumble.com/vblzip-dr.-anthony-faucis-ex-employee-jailed-tells-all-full-video-aka-plandemic.html
It’s more than likely a disgustingly huge percentage. As soon as I heard what testing they were using, I knew we’d see bogus outrageous numbers. I’ve been calling a majority of this shit to my friends and family before it happens and most of them still refuse to acknowledge that they were played hard and raw.
There is no "covid"
It’s the regular flu rebranded.
change my mind
I like this theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGd7-vvd9Y
But regardless, it's a psyop, not an RNA virus, as they claim. A psych virus -- yes.
CDC said up to 90% were false positive... including deaths.
Try This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylvAOs4OAvE
The virus could literally not exist but as long as you tested enough people with a 50% false positive rate, tens of millions, it would legitimately look like half the country was dying from something that literally doesn't exist.
My sister knows 2 people who went and "checked in" for testing, line was too long, so they left.
They received positive test results in the mail a few days later...
I have anecdotal evidence from at least 5 people who never got the test (only waited in line and finally left because line was too long) who all tested positive.
I do. I think every single number is fake.
Has t it been this whole time? Remember Super Tuesday? When they store the bid from Bernie. Pretty much doing exactly what they’re trying to do to trump. Once the truth starts coming out all of the sudden second lock downs. They’re are Definitely trying. Doesn’t seem to be working as well this time.
It’s obvious if a fucking glass of cola and a pineapple can test positive.
Know that all flu numbers are ESTIMATES, not counts. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html
Only 14 states are part of FluServ https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/influenza-hospitalization-surveillance.htm
The following CDC article says "Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, this system will suspend data collection for the 2020-21 influenza season. Data from previous seasons are available on FluView Interactive."
https://www.technocracy.news/cdc-will-map-covid-19-but-suspends-tracking-of-influenza/
The CDC's story changes by the day and they are no different than the FBI or DOJ--not to be trusted without very deep research and vetting--a full time job (with zero pay) which most of us cannot fit into our day. Don't listen to their BS.
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Yeah, I read a quote where Mullis said that the PCR test that he developed (invented) is essentially useless when applied as a method for testing for the presence of the CCP Coronavirus-19. The commercial esting centers have set the cycle count too high, making the sensitivity of the test completely unreliable at detecting viral presence or load. Like a leaf falling on your car's bumper would set off your airbags unreliable.
First off, a positive test even were it really positive in the sense that an active infection is present does not mean that the person is contagious or even ill. And that actually repeated testing will pick up enough viral particles to eventually produce a false positive test. The person could have unknowingly been infected dozens of weeks ago and dead viral fragments cause a positive result. It's all a colossal fraud.
The nature of the test itself is suspect and not to be trusted according to the man who developed it; Kary Mullis. He said that owing to the "sensitivity cycles" done during the specimen's evaluation it's far too sensitive to provide a worthwhile conclusion. Again this is the inventor of the test, who also has some choice words about the technical talents of the vaunted Dr, Fauci.
This frickin' con has destroyed much of our economy and many lives, particularly of small busniess owners. While the big box stores and online sellers like Amazon flourish. All in a bid to effect an election, an ends to a means. Criminal.
I believe more than half of the positive rate is due to incompetent medical care workers....I mean HEROS.
Thr 250k covid deaths this year are really the 250k medical mistake deaths we see on average on any given year rebranded. Change my mind.
The PCR test will return positive for ANY coronavirus. Literally the common cold. So if you have any bit of common cold virus floating around, and if the maginfication is set high enough, it'll almost always return a positive result. The TestDemic is a complete fucking scam to fuck over the world.
The true false positive rate (FPR) is at least between 2-7%, as that is the range from meta studies of previous PCR-test external quality assessments (EQAs)
Considering that the pandemic situation results in a massive requirement for testing personnel, necessarily with less experience, the performance quality of procedures will be much worse than normal. Most false positives are typically explained to be caused by cross-contamination during testing/sampling and sample processing.
I would expect the FPR to be about double what is shown in normal EQAs, so 4-14%.
Note that the FPR-rate found during licencing test procedures use optimal lab conditions, experienced personnel, no shared use of any bottle or tool or lab personnel between subsequent tests, etc. And they avoid the patient-sample/shipment process all together, using only prepared samples. This is how they get 100% specificity (0% FPR) in the licensing document. But it is not at all representative of CLINICAL FPR.
https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=961
So obvious it hurts
Had FDA bureaucratic bullshit not blocked HCQ for out-patient care earlier in the year Kung Flu would have been a footnote in next year's history book editions. Makes my blood boil at the thought of how many lives could have been saved.
https://aapsonline.org/fda-bureaucrat-brags-he-blocked-physician-prescribing-of-hydroxychloroquine-in-early-covid-19/