Climate change is a natural part of Earths history. The period of relative stability we currently live in is extremely, mind bogglingly rare. Violent and sudden changes (in geological time terms) are the historical norm.
We are at the tail end of an ice age currently so we can expect temps to gradually rise over the next few 10s of thousands of years.
There is exactly nothing we can do about this.
What we can do is take common sense measures to look after the environment and protect delicate ecosystems. Things like limit single use plastics and apply pressure to countries like China and India who produce most of the worlds pollution and plastic garbage.
On the other side of the coin, how can you justify the claim that humanity's actions have no effect on the planet?
Nobody thinks we can terraform earth to whatever we want, but we can certainly judge it in a direction with the population and technology we have today.
Everything is connected. The biosphere is unfathomably complicated. For us to romp around destroying ecosystems, dump plastic and toxic garbage everywhere, overfish, cut down old growth forests, burn all kinds of shit, and then pretend it doesn't have any effect is absolutely crazy.
Things often cascade and spiral out of control. Hell beavers can alter their surroundings in huge ways! If they can do it, so can we. But just like beavers we are part of nature. So it isn't us overriding nature. We are nature. But that doesn't mean our actions are good.
We're actually still in an ice age. We are simply in a short term interglacial period that may only last a few more centuries at best.
The current climate regime is called the Holocene, which started at the end of the Younger Dryas about 10K years ago (aligning with the rise of agriculture and civilization). Temps reached their optimum during the first half of the Holocene. We've experienced several severe dips in temps including the Little Ice Age (1200AD-1800AD) in which glaciers advanced. This is why Vikings retreated from Greenland, for example, after finding it relatively easy to settle in the so-called Medieval Warm Period (900AD - 1200 AD).
Warming is generally good for life on Earth and for humanity. What's good for plants (warmth, CO2) is good for all life. Cold regimes bring famine and death and place extreme pressure on ecosystems (nothing grows in freezing temps).
Tony Heller has all the goods. YouTube about to chuck him off their platform, he's moved to Newtube, although as far as I know the bulk of his videos remain.
You'll find him also at realclimatescience
I'd start with sea level rise. There's been a constant rate increase for about 150years with no signs of significant upward trend.
Obama choose healthcare over climate change. How does the world ending take a back seat to taxing people for not getting health insurance.
Goal post moving: The world was supposed to end in 2001, then 2007, then 2016, then 2030. Why does the end keep moving? There are articles from 1989 claiming the world was going to end in the 90s.
Why must the name change and be rebranded every so many years? Now it's "Climate Crisis?" The end of the world would not require a marketing team.
Why do all solutions to "Climate Change" focus on Communism. Did they forget they were trying to solve Climate Change? Did they mix up the files? Did they pull the "Communism" file out of the cabinet instead of the "Climate" file?
Count the number of houses (carbon footprint) the elite's own who peddle this climate change stuff?
You're going to have a hard time with that. Because the science says that there is climate change......the difference is that we didn't cause it, it's a natural cycle. Shellenberger has a book on climate alarmism.
He does lot of analysis on how data has been manipulated to make the warming seem stronger than it has actually been and then goes to the historical climatology stations that clearly show there's been no significant trend in the past century.
If someone says that the planet getting warm is bad, ask them if they would prefer to be frozen.
Not that it is getting warm right now.
Paying trillions of dollars to China and India, and Africa, is not going to stop the planet getting warm, but that is the Paris Climate Accord that globalists celebrate.
Not that it is getting warm right now.
.
Proof. Every word Al Gore ever said.
He got a billion dollars for saying things like the world will be under water by 2012.
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Every single person who cries about man-made climate change, that it is all the West's fault.
They are also every single person who cries about Open Borders, and how the West must let everyone in.
It is the losers on the Stupid Continent, Africa, who double their population every few decades even though they can't feed themselves.
It is the losers in Asia, trying to put all businesses in the West out of action by making things cheaper due to slave workers and huge pollution.
There is no "climate change".
The West is great, or may be again, the rest of the world is messed up.
Intellectual evidence: The branch of mathematics known as Chaos Theory was developed (in part) to help deal with the fact that long term weather patterns are unpredictable. Just think about that. Climatologists found the problem of weather forecasting in the medium and long term future so confoundingly intractable that an entire branch of mathematics (called CHAOS THEORY) was born from the frustration.
The math of Chaos Theory (popularized by the beauty of fractals) is still in its infancy and long range weather forecasting is still impossible. Earth's climate is just the sum of all earth's weather. Don't let people convince you they are different things. That's one of the "obvious bullshit" arguments leftists attempt.
Real world evidence: Vlad Putin has not built CO2 or methane belching factories for the sole purpose of coughing out more global warming. He stands, more than anyone, to benefit greatly from thawing out Siberia, and he couldn't care less about cooking the rest of the world. Still, he has not done it. (neither has Justin Castro, another northern commie tyrant)
Also, Barack and Big Mike just bought the old Magnum PI estate on the coast of Hawaii. It's at sea level. It wasn't cheap.
And, none of the famous alarmists (Gore, DiCaprio, ...) are actually doing anything to reduce their "carbon footprints" other than virtue signal. As Glenn Reynolds says (paraphrasing): I'll start believing the situation is an emergency when the people telling me it's an emergency start acting like it's an emergency.
If you live near a marina go down to the Harbourmasters office and ask where the sea level rising has most effected them.
Should be major news all around the US right in every harbor, right? You see they have markers in Boston Harbor that show high tide and low tide marks all over the US harbors but for the last 20 years I have yet to see the rising tide. Maybe my marina is immune?
Pollution is real. And man made. Climate change is new world order bullshit, agenda 21, project for new American century stuff. The earth has 20k year, hundred thousand year cycles of temp and whether cycles we are coming off an Ice Age technically were still in an ice age and will continue to warm for another 7k-10k years then cool again for another length of time.
If you examine the chart of world temperature and world CO2, you'll notice that the temperature changes before the CO2. Global warming causes CO2 change, just like when you put a glass of cold soda on the table and the fizz bubbles out.
I can't remember the name of another documentary, but they take the same ice core samples from Al Gore's documentary and prove that the date shows that the carbon levels rise due to temperature increase rather than what activist scientists claimed about carbon levels rising cause the temperature to rise
Right now pass a law that says no company can sell products in the US unless it has met all of the OSHA and EPA requirements for production. That its production facilities must pay to have monthly reviews by these organizations confirming they are in compliance with our labor and environmental laws.
That is why I point out that if they want to immediately get The President and Republicans to pass laws that support climate change why bother with a long term Paris accord just force companies to have to produce in the US or to US standards.
You re asking the wrong question.
Climate change is a natural part of Earths history. The period of relative stability we currently live in is extremely, mind bogglingly rare. Violent and sudden changes (in geological time terms) are the historical norm.
We are at the tail end of an ice age currently so we can expect temps to gradually rise over the next few 10s of thousands of years.
There is exactly nothing we can do about this.
What we can do is take common sense measures to look after the environment and protect delicate ecosystems. Things like limit single use plastics and apply pressure to countries like China and India who produce most of the worlds pollution and plastic garbage.
exactly
only narcisit would think they can override nature and god
On the other side of the coin, how can you justify the claim that humanity's actions have no effect on the planet?
Nobody thinks we can terraform earth to whatever we want, but we can certainly judge it in a direction with the population and technology we have today.
Everything is connected. The biosphere is unfathomably complicated. For us to romp around destroying ecosystems, dump plastic and toxic garbage everywhere, overfish, cut down old growth forests, burn all kinds of shit, and then pretend it doesn't have any effect is absolutely crazy.
Things often cascade and spiral out of control. Hell beavers can alter their surroundings in huge ways! If they can do it, so can we. But just like beavers we are part of nature. So it isn't us overriding nature. We are nature. But that doesn't mean our actions are good.
We're actually still in an ice age. We are simply in a short term interglacial period that may only last a few more centuries at best.
The current climate regime is called the Holocene, which started at the end of the Younger Dryas about 10K years ago (aligning with the rise of agriculture and civilization). Temps reached their optimum during the first half of the Holocene. We've experienced several severe dips in temps including the Little Ice Age (1200AD-1800AD) in which glaciers advanced. This is why Vikings retreated from Greenland, for example, after finding it relatively easy to settle in the so-called Medieval Warm Period (900AD - 1200 AD).
Warming is generally good for life on Earth and for humanity. What's good for plants (warmth, CO2) is good for all life. Cold regimes bring famine and death and place extreme pressure on ecosystems (nothing grows in freezing temps).
Tony Heller has all the goods. YouTube about to chuck him off their platform, he's moved to Newtube, although as far as I know the bulk of his videos remain. You'll find him also at realclimatescience
I'd start with sea level rise. There's been a constant rate increase for about 150years with no signs of significant upward trend.
Obama choose healthcare over climate change. How does the world ending take a back seat to taxing people for not getting health insurance.
Goal post moving: The world was supposed to end in 2001, then 2007, then 2016, then 2030. Why does the end keep moving? There are articles from 1989 claiming the world was going to end in the 90s.
Why must the name change and be rebranded every so many years? Now it's "Climate Crisis?" The end of the world would not require a marketing team.
Why do all solutions to "Climate Change" focus on Communism. Did they forget they were trying to solve Climate Change? Did they mix up the files? Did they pull the "Communism" file out of the cabinet instead of the "Climate" file?
Count the number of houses (carbon footprint) the elite's own who peddle this climate change stuff?
You're going to have a hard time with that. Because the science says that there is climate change......the difference is that we didn't cause it, it's a natural cycle. Shellenberger has a book on climate alarmism.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/03/acclaimed-environmentalist-apologizes-for-pushing-climate-alarmism/
Use duckduckgo
Michael Mann hockey stick graph hoax Also videos by Piers Corbyn & weatheraction
My favorite commentator on this is Tony Heller: https://realclimatescience.com/
He does lot of analysis on how data has been manipulated to make the warming seem stronger than it has actually been and then goes to the historical climatology stations that clearly show there's been no significant trend in the past century.
And for a good technical lecture, see Professor Lindzen: https://youtu.be/X2q9BT2LIUA
Cnn, pedo Joe, Bill gates and al gore all assure me it's true so I know it's 100% bullshit
At the risk of getting banned for the 2nd time, I will shamelessly promote myself again and give you a good answer to your question:
http://phzoe.com/2019/12/30/what-global-warming/
http://phzoe.com/2020/03/04/dumbest-math-theory-ever/
Moderators: Knock it off. I do good research. Let me promote it.
I can vouch. I've read Zoe's analysis and it's very compelling.
Zoe, have you applied your stats skills to some of the voting irregularities?
I did it too slow, and everyone else beat me to it. I had nothing original to add. If I have nothing original to say, I don't bother.
Thank you
The Ice Age.
If someone says that the planet getting warm is bad, ask them if they would prefer to be frozen.
Not that it is getting warm right now.
Paying trillions of dollars to China and India, and Africa, is not going to stop the planet getting warm, but that is the Paris Climate Accord that globalists celebrate.
Not that it is getting warm right now.
.
Proof. Every word Al Gore ever said.
He got a billion dollars for saying things like the world will be under water by 2012.
.
Every single person who cries about man-made climate change, that it is all the West's fault.
They are also every single person who cries about Open Borders, and how the West must let everyone in.
It is the losers on the Stupid Continent, Africa, who double their population every few decades even though they can't feed themselves.
It is the losers in Asia, trying to put all businesses in the West out of action by making things cheaper due to slave workers and huge pollution.
There is no "climate change".
The West is great, or may be again, the rest of the world is messed up.
Intellectual evidence: The branch of mathematics known as Chaos Theory was developed (in part) to help deal with the fact that long term weather patterns are unpredictable. Just think about that. Climatologists found the problem of weather forecasting in the medium and long term future so confoundingly intractable that an entire branch of mathematics (called CHAOS THEORY) was born from the frustration.
The math of Chaos Theory (popularized by the beauty of fractals) is still in its infancy and long range weather forecasting is still impossible. Earth's climate is just the sum of all earth's weather. Don't let people convince you they are different things. That's one of the "obvious bullshit" arguments leftists attempt.
Real world evidence: Vlad Putin has not built CO2 or methane belching factories for the sole purpose of coughing out more global warming. He stands, more than anyone, to benefit greatly from thawing out Siberia, and he couldn't care less about cooking the rest of the world. Still, he has not done it. (neither has Justin Castro, another northern commie tyrant)
Also, Barack and Big Mike just bought the old Magnum PI estate on the coast of Hawaii. It's at sea level. It wasn't cheap.
And, none of the famous alarmists (Gore, DiCaprio, ...) are actually doing anything to reduce their "carbon footprints" other than virtue signal. As Glenn Reynolds says (paraphrasing): I'll start believing the situation is an emergency when the people telling me it's an emergency start acting like it's an emergency.
Falsification of CO2 as a greenhouse gas was published a long time ago. No one rebutted it.
Basically, greenhouses work by preventing convection, as radiation in normal temperature is nothing compared to convection.
Also, we already know exactly how CO2 behaves, and adding it would slightly cool the earth.
Learn thermo, and you'll see why the whole theory is retarded.
If you live near a marina go down to the Harbourmasters office and ask where the sea level rising has most effected them.
Should be major news all around the US right in every harbor, right? You see they have markers in Boston Harbor that show high tide and low tide marks all over the US harbors but for the last 20 years I have yet to see the rising tide. Maybe my marina is immune?
Probably the only subject on this site where I don't agree with the majority. I respect your point of view though. Can't always agree on everything
Commenting so I can check this out later.
Pollution is real. And man made. Climate change is new world order bullshit, agenda 21, project for new American century stuff. The earth has 20k year, hundred thousand year cycles of temp and whether cycles we are coming off an Ice Age technically were still in an ice age and will continue to warm for another 7k-10k years then cool again for another length of time.
If you examine the chart of world temperature and world CO2, you'll notice that the temperature changes before the CO2. Global warming causes CO2 change, just like when you put a glass of cold soda on the table and the fizz bubbles out.
The Great Global Warming Swindle documentary
I can't remember the name of another documentary, but they take the same ice core samples from Al Gore's documentary and prove that the date shows that the carbon levels rise due to temperature increase rather than what activist scientists claimed about carbon levels rising cause the temperature to rise
Right now pass a law that says no company can sell products in the US unless it has met all of the OSHA and EPA requirements for production. That its production facilities must pay to have monthly reviews by these organizations confirming they are in compliance with our labor and environmental laws.
That is why I point out that if they want to immediately get The President and Republicans to pass laws that support climate change why bother with a long term Paris accord just force companies to have to produce in the US or to US standards.
Faith-based science that's where I'd look