When State Legislatures appoint a SLATE of their State's Electors, they aren't passing a law or a bill. So 99.999% of the rules and laws, which govern such normal procedures, are completely irrelevant here.
No Special Sessions required.
No leadership required (incl governors)
The "safe harbor" law cannot trump the Constitutional powers of the State Legislature. ie State Legislatures have this power so long as the window is open by congress to appoint Electors.
Technically, they don't even all have to be in the same room to sign (though this is nice of course). Like signing the Declaration of Indepence, etc.
The minimum required is:
Important Constitutional distinction minimum requirements:
the State Legislative members having been lawfully sworn into office,
that a quarum/majority of each branch (if bi-camberal) sign it, and
make sure the Electors are legally qualified as per the US Constitution (a few requirements & restrictions).
A document as simple as:
""We the majority of members of the current State Legislature of ______ State; select this list of lawful persons as our Electors for the Dec 2020 voting by the Electors for POTUS & VP of the USA. Electors shall show up at ______ (usually the State Capital) at _____ time, on Dec 14th, 2020 to do their Constitutional Provided duty, is hereby
Name of #1 Elector
Name of #2 Elector
Name of #3 Elector
etc.
Signed
________ Name of _____ State Legislature Member #1 on ______ Date at ____ Place in ________ State (same as above).
________ Name of _____ State Legislature Member #2 on ______ Date at ____ Place in ________ State (same as above).
<repeat>
""
[Technically, they can add a line about recinding any previous SLATES/ELECTORS THIS CYCLE. Sorta like when doing WILLS, just to make it plainly obvious; but strictly speaking this shouldn't be required.]
....
Remember this is how the Founders put in the Constitution selects POTUS's and VPs, so it designed to work even with raging wars, civil wars, plagues, 99% illiteracy, spanning across continents/globe, without paved roads, empty governorships/executive offices, missing members, etc.
In PA's situation if the certifications are still on hold(???), this would be 13 PA State Senators of the 25 PA Senators elected in 2018 whom are sworn in. PA if still on hold, is a bit complicated. Longer comments: https://thedonald.win/p/11QlFjmQuB/x/c/4DpMxauVO4O
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And most State Legislature members 1.) are normies, most people don't know it's Constitutionally this simple; 2.) there are lots of unconstitutional laws telling them "muh democracy", "muh governor", "muh special session", and other things; and 3.) obviously there's significant political bluepilled reasons to keep State Legislators in the dark about the power they Constitutionally wield.
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State Legislatures & witnesses need Courage.
Courage is strength in the face of fear, Courage is not the absence of fear.
Help them find their strength or lend them some of yours. You wont make them stronger by increasing fear or low-expectations. Make them Strong! Give the State Legislatures the Constitutional info they need, most are "normies" with day jobs/previous careers. Give them the accurate info on fraud. Give them strength & prayers to know you are by their side, and not abandoning the trenches.
...
Remind State Legislatures, As per 14th Amendment, Section 2; any State which sends Electors via Fraud/Cheating will lose about 25%-50% of their House seats in congress for the next US Census apportionment for 2022-2032!!!
Focus on Getting State Legislators for Electors! Today is last day remaining!
Can't get to the third quarter without playing through the second quarter. Still 2 mins on the clock in 2nd quarter, no taking a knee, we still can put up more points on the board before halftime.
We Won, We'll keep winning, We'll keep winning more! MAGA ON!
question to your top point, some bolshevik replied this to me:
"they’re not sending duel electors, none of these duel electors have approval from legislators or the governors, they’re simply random electors casting their votes informally that wont count or be sent to be counted on january 6th."
I feel like this is so nonsensical my brain short circuited. It's all about the VP making that decision, right?
It was short circuited, not quiet sure what they were referring to.
So long as State Legislatures "sign" off on another SLATE of Electors, the last SLATE is the legal SLATE. Technically, if 3 USC 2 is legal, then State Legislatures can do this up until today; the day of ELECTOR voting.
VP presiding over the joint session doesn't have the superpower to decide these things; the judiciary decides; if someone sues about 1 SLATE vs another SLATE (which of course someone will).
is there a risk that state legislatures won't "sign" off on another slate of electors? Or is that what has already happened with NV, GA, WI, AZ and PA all having their GOP Electors vote?
What "normally" occurs is a State's Legislature approves SLATES pre-Election Day; and then whichever side "wins" the vote, that sides SLATE is "approved" via the Sec of State & Governor as per the unconstitutional 1887 Elector Counts Act, etc.
So, even if the State Legislature hasn't "re-approved" a Republican DJT/Pence SLATE; by having the Republican side's SLATE vote, means that should the judicial rulings strike down the Dem SLATE, there will still be a Republican voted SLATE.
Ideally, the State Legislatures would pass/re-confirm the Republican Only SLATE today as well.
Yes the railroading is part of why the 1887 Elector Counts Act is unconstitutional; and other laws. "Laws" which allow the governor or Sec of States to override or take the current State Legislatures' power, power given to the State Legislature directly via the US Constitution.
So when you say the 1887 Elector Counts Act is unconstitutional, does it still make this statement true? "If there are competing slates, the default is the one chosen by the state's governor unless both chambers of Congress vote to use another."
And who makes the decision to accept or reject the 1887 Elector Counts Act?
imo it can't hurt, especially reminding them that by committing fraud/cheating/etc.; GA will lose 25-50% of it's House Seats in congress, as per 14th Amendment, Section 2, for the next 10 year apportionment.
When you say "committing fraud/cheating/etc." we KNOW they have. So did they solidify their guilt by submitting fraudulent electoral votes today? And who would be the one to finally pin that fraud on them? SCOTUS? When the hell does all of this evidence finally get to be heard?
Also, since Pence is responsible for counting the votes, and aren't fraudulent votes are null and void in a contested election? So could he choose to not count them?
It wasn't a dog and pony show. There are different legal avenues. For instance, if the Dem SLATE gets striken down; it wouldn't automatically allow the Republican SLATE of votes to then occur. They had to vote today too.
Generally speaking State Legislatures approve BOTH SLATES before Election Day; and the Sec of State/Gov do the "certifying" of which one is the "official one".
When State Legislatures appoint a SLATE of their State's Electors, they aren't passing a law or a bill. So 99.999% of the rules and laws, which govern such normal procedures, are completely irrelevant here.
No Special Sessions required.
No leadership required (incl governors)
The "safe harbor" law cannot trump the Constitutional powers of the State Legislature. ie State Legislatures have this power so long as the window is open by congress to appoint Electors.
Technically, they don't even all have to be in the same room to sign (though this is nice of course). Like signing the Declaration of Indepence, etc.
The minimum required is:
Important Constitutional distinction minimum requirements:
the State Legislative members having been lawfully sworn into office,
that a quarum/majority of each branch (if bi-camberal) sign it, and
make sure the Electors are legally qualified as per the US Constitution (a few requirements & restrictions).
A document as simple as:
""We the majority of members of the current State Legislature of ______ State; select this list of lawful persons as our Electors for the Dec 2020 voting by the Electors for POTUS & VP of the USA. Electors shall show up at ______ (usually the State Capital) at _____ time, on Dec 14th, 2020 to do their Constitutional Provided duty, is hereby
Name of #1 Elector
Name of #2 Elector
Name of #3 Elector
etc.
Signed
________ Name of _____ State Legislature Member #1 on ______ Date at ____ Place in ________ State (same as above).
________ Name of _____ State Legislature Member #2 on ______ Date at ____ Place in ________ State (same as above).
<repeat>
"" [Technically, they can add a line about recinding any previous SLATES/ELECTORS THIS CYCLE. Sorta like when doing WILLS, just to make it plainly obvious; but strictly speaking this shouldn't be required.]
....
Remember this is how the Founders put in the Constitution selects POTUS's and VPs, so it designed to work even with raging wars, civil wars, plagues, 99% illiteracy, spanning across continents/globe, without paved roads, empty governorships/executive offices, missing members, etc.
In PA's situation if the certifications are still on hold(???), this would be 13 PA State Senators of the 25 PA Senators elected in 2018 whom are sworn in. PA if still on hold, is a bit complicated. Longer comments: https://thedonald.win/p/11QlFjmQuB/x/c/4DpMxauVO4O
...
And most State Legislature members 1.) are normies, most people don't know it's Constitutionally this simple; 2.) there are lots of unconstitutional laws telling them "muh democracy", "muh governor", "muh special session", and other things; and 3.) obviously there's significant political bluepilled reasons to keep State Legislators in the dark about the power they Constitutionally wield.
...
State Legislatures & witnesses need Courage.
Help them find their strength or lend them some of yours. You wont make them stronger by increasing fear or low-expectations. Make them Strong! Give the State Legislatures the Constitutional info they need, most are "normies" with day jobs/previous careers. Give them the accurate info on fraud. Give them strength & prayers to know you are by their side, and not abandoning the trenches.
...
Remind State Legislatures, As per 14th Amendment, Section 2; any State which sends Electors via Fraud/Cheating will lose about 25%-50% of their House seats in congress for the next US Census apportionment for 2022-2032!!!
Focus on Getting State Legislators for Electors! Today is last day remaining!
Can't get to the third quarter without playing through the second quarter. Still 2 mins on the clock in 2nd quarter, no taking a knee, we still can put up more points on the board before halftime.
We Won, We'll keep winning, We'll keep winning more! MAGA ON!
LONG LIVE OUR REPUBLIC!!
question to your top point, some bolshevik replied this to me:
"they’re not sending duel electors, none of these duel electors have approval from legislators or the governors, they’re simply random electors casting their votes informally that wont count or be sent to be counted on january 6th."
I feel like this is so nonsensical my brain short circuited. It's all about the VP making that decision, right?
It was short circuited, not quiet sure what they were referring to.
So long as State Legislatures "sign" off on another SLATE of Electors, the last SLATE is the legal SLATE. Technically, if 3 USC 2 is legal, then State Legislatures can do this up until today; the day of ELECTOR voting.
VP presiding over the joint session doesn't have the superpower to decide these things; the judiciary decides; if someone sues about 1 SLATE vs another SLATE (which of course someone will).
is there a risk that state legislatures won't "sign" off on another slate of electors? Or is that what has already happened with NV, GA, WI, AZ and PA all having their GOP Electors vote?
I don't have those details yet.
What "normally" occurs is a State's Legislature approves SLATES pre-Election Day; and then whichever side "wins" the vote, that sides SLATE is "approved" via the Sec of State & Governor as per the unconstitutional 1887 Elector Counts Act, etc.
So, even if the State Legislature hasn't "re-approved" a Republican DJT/Pence SLATE; by having the Republican side's SLATE vote, means that should the judicial rulings strike down the Dem SLATE, there will still be a Republican voted SLATE.
Ideally, the State Legislatures would pass/re-confirm the Republican Only SLATE today as well.
Yes the railroading is part of why the 1887 Elector Counts Act is unconstitutional; and other laws. "Laws" which allow the governor or Sec of States to override or take the current State Legislatures' power, power given to the State Legislature directly via the US Constitution.
Take a look at this guy's breakdown, he seems to echo a lot of your findings. Is he on target? https://twitter.com/Maximus_4EVR/status/1327399292923875328?s=20
So when you say the 1887 Elector Counts Act is unconstitutional, does it still make this statement true? "If there are competing slates, the default is the one chosen by the state's governor unless both chambers of Congress vote to use another."
And who makes the decision to accept or reject the 1887 Elector Counts Act?
imo it can't hurt, especially reminding them that by committing fraud/cheating/etc.; GA will lose 25-50% of it's House Seats in congress, as per 14th Amendment, Section 2, for the next 10 year apportionment.
When you say "committing fraud/cheating/etc." we KNOW they have. So did they solidify their guilt by submitting fraudulent electoral votes today? And who would be the one to finally pin that fraud on them? SCOTUS? When the hell does all of this evidence finally get to be heard?
Also, since Pence is responsible for counting the votes, and aren't fraudulent votes are null and void in a contested election? So could he choose to not count them?
It wasn't a dog and pony show. There are different legal avenues. For instance, if the Dem SLATE gets striken down; it wouldn't automatically allow the Republican SLATE of votes to then occur. They had to vote today too.
Generally speaking State Legislatures approve BOTH SLATES before Election Day; and the Sec of State/Gov do the "certifying" of which one is the "official one".