There are narrow rules for who can vote absentee - the state accepted absentee ballots from people who fall outside the statutory definition of indefinitely confined. If applied strictly, this would invalidate a large percentage of absentee ballots.
It's not just accepted absentee ballots...It sounds like to me, WI tried to basically tell voters "you are indefinitely confined and will be voting absentee." Where the law states that declaring oneself indefinitely confined is something the VOTER must do themselves. Not a rogue governor cause "muh Shanghai Shivers"
Right, keep in mind that from 2000-2016 in WI, only 800-1,600 every election cycle claimed “indefinite confinement” and a reason to receive and submit an absentee ballot without presenting an ID. In 2020? 169,282 people claimed indefinite confinement in WI (covid was not a valid reason to claim indefinite confinement). So it would seem that based on this ruling, that election officials and even the governor of WI, proclaimed 169,000 people as indefinitely confined which subverts WI election laws because only the voter can claim indefinite confinement (in accordance with WI law) and, I would assume, invalidates a large number of these votes, maybe even all of them
Every fraudulent vote disenfranchises a legal vote, so 169k potentially fraudulent votes is also 169k disenfranchised legal votes. There is MORE EVIDENCE the "indefinitely confined" votes are the fraudulent ones than any legal vote were fraudulent. This can be better said as re-enfranchising 169k legal votes that were defrauded by the 169k "indefinitely confined votes"
I'm not saying this is the case, but if 169k votes are proven without any reasonable doubt to be fraudulent, every judge in the land should throw them out.
Speaking in absolutes like this demonstrates subversion or a significantly below avg IQ.. or both.
It looks like this interpretation takes the power from the governor and clerks and puts it in the legislators' hands. The law must be followed. It would be huge if ballots were disqualified for this reason because it's plenty to flip the state.
The statute leaves it to the voter alone to declare they are indefinitely confined. So the clerk, SoS, governor, etc has no business declaring huge numbers of people are indefinitely confined.
Yeah, basically the fake governor Tony fuckface Evers, SoS and others said, "Don't go out, we'll send you ballots."
It wasn't lawful. Ballots came, people voted. But per the law, the fake governor Tony fuckface Evers, the SoS and others lied to those voters, because those votes are illegal. They basically stole votes from voters.
Wisconsin law only permits absentee for those who are indefinitely confined. It seems that counties or officials other than the voters themselves declared those voters to be indefinitely confined (because...COVID). This says only the voters themselves can make that determination; so if they did not, their absentee ballots would be invalid per Wisconsin’s laws.
But you know, we can’t disenfranchise them so we’ll just count them anyway.
Actually Wisconsin is a state that requires voter ID, and absentee ballots must be requested by the voter. Any voter who requests an absent voting ballot must also provide a proof of ID to receive said ballot.
There is a “Loophole” for voters that are Indefinitely Confined, where they do not need to provide an ID, or proof of signature if they are Indefinitely Confined. However, they must actually be Indefinitely Confined, and not just too lazy or scared (COVID) to vote in person.
In the 2018 mid-terms, there were around 60K Indefinitely Confined voters in the state of Wisconsin. In 2020 that number has been exacerbated to 200K.
The state needs to question these voters who claimed they are Indefinitely Confined, not only to ensure they are in fact Indefinitely Confined, but also to enquire that they actually voted and that their vote was counted for the candidate that they voted for.
This is my first comment on this site... so go easy on me.
How would that affect the case argued Saturday on the recount (Trump v. Biden)? if the voter decides if they are indefinitely confined then they are entitled to vote absentee?
Yes, but there is a process for that, which requires identification verification. I think there was a blanket order deeming large chunks of the population as indefinitely confined, skirting the process. This ruling says that’s not acceptable. So any absentee votes that did not follow the process per the law should be invalidated.
I thought the trick in Wisconsin was that the thousands of voters declared themselves indefinitely confined because they were told to do that by the officials.
If I recall, part of their excuse for implementing widespread mail in voting was because they claimed residents were indefinitely confined. This seems to point that the courts disagree with that decision
ELI5?
There are narrow rules for who can vote absentee - the state accepted absentee ballots from people who fall outside the statutory definition of indefinitely confined. If applied strictly, this would invalidate a large percentage of absentee ballots.
It's not just accepted absentee ballots...It sounds like to me, WI tried to basically tell voters "you are indefinitely confined and will be voting absentee." Where the law states that declaring oneself indefinitely confined is something the VOTER must do themselves. Not a rogue governor cause "muh Shanghai Shivers"
The biggest issue in this case being that indefinitely confined voters are exempt from the absentee ballot ID requirement. What could go wrong...
Makes perfect sense to me now what they did.
These people are sick, but they aren't stupid.
Right, keep in mind that from 2000-2016 in WI, only 800-1,600 every election cycle claimed “indefinite confinement” and a reason to receive and submit an absentee ballot without presenting an ID. In 2020? 169,282 people claimed indefinite confinement in WI (covid was not a valid reason to claim indefinite confinement). So it would seem that based on this ruling, that election officials and even the governor of WI, proclaimed 169,000 people as indefinitely confined which subverts WI election laws because only the voter can claim indefinite confinement (in accordance with WI law) and, I would assume, invalidates a large number of these votes, maybe even all of them
Not a safe assumption. The rest of your comment is excellent.
One would assume. But this is clown world after all
Every fraudulent vote disenfranchises a legal vote, so 169k potentially fraudulent votes is also 169k disenfranchised legal votes. There is MORE EVIDENCE the "indefinitely confined" votes are the fraudulent ones than any legal vote were fraudulent. This can be better said as re-enfranchising 169k legal votes that were defrauded by the 169k "indefinitely confined votes"
You seem to be getting nervous.
I'm not saying this is the case, but if 169k votes are proven without any reasonable doubt to be fraudulent, every judge in the land should throw them out.
Speaking in absolutes like this demonstrates subversion or a significantly below avg IQ.. or both.
It looks like this interpretation takes the power from the governor and clerks and puts it in the legislators' hands. The law must be followed. It would be huge if ballots were disqualified for this reason because it's plenty to flip the state.
Waiting for more info.
The statute leaves it to the voter alone to declare they are indefinitely confined. So the clerk, SoS, governor, etc has no business declaring huge numbers of people are indefinitely confined.
Yeah, basically the fake governor Tony fuckface Evers, SoS and others said, "Don't go out, we'll send you ballots."
It wasn't lawful. Ballots came, people voted. But per the law, the fake governor Tony fuckface Evers, the SoS and others lied to those voters, because those votes are illegal. They basically stole votes from voters.
Didn't every State do this?
I see no way to arrive at an honest count. Toss the entire popular vote, legislatures pick electors per US Constitution.
They should be as valid as a vote for R2D2 for president, a null vote.
In 4 years you'll be 5
big if true, math checks out
Dominion age is roughly 68, FAKE NEWS!
What’s a surplus?
What's a jib
Just the right age to be sniffed by the President-Elect.
What a cute baby!!! Donald Trump is going to be your President because these tyrants won’t be deciding your future little one
4 out of 5 democrats agreeeeeee... babies are delicious.
food go in, poop go out.
Commies are fucked
Wisconsin law only permits absentee for those who are indefinitely confined. It seems that counties or officials other than the voters themselves declared those voters to be indefinitely confined (because...COVID). This says only the voters themselves can make that determination; so if they did not, their absentee ballots would be invalid per Wisconsin’s laws.
But you know, we can’t disenfranchise them so we’ll just count them anyway.
Disclaimer: IANAL
Actually Wisconsin is a state that requires voter ID, and absentee ballots must be requested by the voter. Any voter who requests an absent voting ballot must also provide a proof of ID to receive said ballot.
There is a “Loophole” for voters that are Indefinitely Confined, where they do not need to provide an ID, or proof of signature if they are Indefinitely Confined. However, they must actually be Indefinitely Confined, and not just too lazy or scared (COVID) to vote in person.
In the 2018 mid-terms, there were around 60K Indefinitely Confined voters in the state of Wisconsin. In 2020 that number has been exacerbated to 200K.
The state needs to question these voters who claimed they are Indefinitely Confined, not only to ensure they are in fact Indefinitely Confined, but also to enquire that they actually voted and that their vote was counted for the candidate that they voted for.
This is my first comment on this site... so go easy on me.
STOP THE STEAL. TRUMP LANDSLIDE 2020!!
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You understand this correctly, but WI isn't likely to investigate 160,000 people for this.
Running an election that can't be resolved is part of the handbook on running a color revolution. This is a coup. There is no evidence of an election.
Thanks!
Thanks for clarifying.
That's the problem. This is 80x our usual number. The State isn't going to investigate all these people individually.
How would that affect the case argued Saturday on the recount (Trump v. Biden)? if the voter decides if they are indefinitely confined then they are entitled to vote absentee?
Yes, but there is a process for that, which requires identification verification. I think there was a blanket order deeming large chunks of the population as indefinitely confined, skirting the process. This ruling says that’s not acceptable. So any absentee votes that did not follow the process per the law should be invalidated.
I thought the trick in Wisconsin was that the thousands of voters declared themselves indefinitely confined because they were told to do that by the officials.
If I recall, part of their excuse for implementing widespread mail in voting was because they claimed residents were indefinitely confined. This seems to point that the courts disagree with that decision
They didn't claim anything about actually being indefinitely confined. The bogus claim was due to covid.