Pretty sure GA, AZ, and WI are confirmed. I know PA was doing a procedural vote to see if they had the votes but don't know if they ever sealed the deal. MI was blocking Trump electors from entering the building to place their vote. No idea if that's been resolved either.
Not just black but every ten seconds on the radio another announcement about sleepy joe. Winning and trumps delusions of a steal. These fuckers want the cork to pop. If it does we go straight for the politicians.
How does that work with Nevada? Their house, Senate and gov are all dem, could the most based state with like 1 dem state congressperson still send dem electors if they wanted to?
That is only because DOJ/FBI are missing in action.
If DOJ and FBI start to arrest the secretary of states in 6 contested states and the election board members then the media will look like a fool ignoring the election fraud.
The fact they wouldn't let the GOP electors in basically confirms all of the GOP poll watchers saying they were thrown out. Sounds like they held their vote outside.
Don't forget the lawsuit in NM I believe that was just filed or is filed tomorrow. Unattended dropboxes were tossed around all over the place unattended without a legislative approval which alone is pretty significant. Easily raises the election being disputed there based on how many votes were received in those unattended drop boxes and the other stuff that went on. The gap in NM was not that big.
Confirmation is bad, but really, nothing matters. Everything is just words on paper, even really excellent documents like the Constitution. What really matters is who is in power when. All the rules, good rules bad rules.... can be broken at will.
So, while right now we have a lot of games going on inside the confines of our over-complicated legal system, both sides trying to game the system to their advantage. But never forget that it's still just a set of rules, and rules can be set aside when it's needed.
So, when someone says "Ah, the rules say it's over" nothing is ever over. The fight just changes shape.
Refers to the malarkey of all the changes made to the election supposedly in response to the scamdemic, like limiting number of observers, keeping them too far away to observe, mass mail-in voting, etc.
It really is a third world fiasco, this whole election thing. We used to laugh at how ridiculous and blatant the cheating was in other countries. Now I see how it's done. The media is a huge part of it. Politicians acting against the people in exchange for CCP bucks and perks. So sad it's come to this.
I am black pilled beyond repair now. I know for a fact that 100% GA will go to the Dem senators in January. Let's hope Trump can pull the Presidential rabbit out of the hat before inauguration day.
I’m not so sure on GA. The Republican candidates and GOP governor, etc don’t seem worried about using the same damn dominion machines, so I wonder if the same back room deal fixes are in, but this time for Republicans.
Remember, this is not red vs blue. This is a uniparty vs patriots situation.
I think they made a deal — “get rid of Trump and you can put two republican swamp creatures in”. We’ll see.
In the case of MI one could conclude that use of force in a disputed election to achieve a desired outcome could be evidence of malfeasance. Then again no court would ever allow it to reach the evidentiary stage but would throw it out on procedural grounds.
As the day comes to a close, seven states convened and picked a slate of electors for President Donald Trump as well as Joe Biden.
Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico all selected a slate of electors for President Trump as well as Joe Biden.
They're sending two slates from each state- one for Biden and one for Trump. For example, NV has 6 electoral votes, but sent 6 biden electors and 6 trump electors (12 total)
Right. Everyone is accurately pointing out that it is up to Pence to count the votes. He will have to count to the certified votes for Biden unless enough Patriots push their Congressmen to push Pence to refuse to count the Biden votes due to the contested states. Then no one gets to 270.
Can someone eli5 what this means in terms of the overall election? Does this mean both Trump AND Biden get the electors from these states (i.e. canceling each other out)?
I think this officially creates a conflict of dueling electors as the results are contested, thus setting it up for Pence as president of senate to select which set will count, aside from the results of any lawsuits. Then I think it goes to the house for one vote per state. But someone else confirm if anything else needs to happen for these things to happen.
Is it considered a conflict if one party just decides to send them? Not trying to be a doomer, legitimately wondering. Because with Nevada the house, senate and gov are all dem. That would be like the few dem legislators in South Dakota sending dem electors and calling it disputed. I saw somewhere that Pence only gets to decide if like the state leg certifies one and the gov certifies another but I could be wrong
The basis for sending them is that the states are contested and there is abundant evidence of fraud and pending lawsuits. Otherwise we could also send them for California and everywhere else. (Mind you there prob is fraud there but we aren’t focusing on those states, rather the ones that stopped counting mysteriously and then flipped in mathematical improbability.) I’m unsure about the other part.
I'm not sure if that's good info with all of the Pelosi deciding stuff. It contradicts a lot of what I've seen of direct references to the Constitution. Probably has something to do with containing quotes like this "Trump has repeatedly said the election is rigged and made unfounded attacks on mail-in voting, which tends to favor Democrats."
Legislature selects electors per Constitution. Self or party appointed electors have no legal standing. Having been essentially elector-nominees gives them some rights with the ongoing lawsuits and having cast their currently valueless ballots on time means that their ballots may still count if courts overrule legislature recognition of the corrupt voting results.
In short, lawsuits may make this matter a lot but if courts continue obstructing accurate vote counts, this is symbolic only.
All the battleground states have sent competing slates of electors, but of course our slates have not been certified by state governors.
How all this gets sorted on January 6th is extremely murky. The Electoral Counts Act of 1887 applies. It is one of the most convoluted pieces of legislation in history, and we're probably going to need a SCOTUS decision to untangle it. This is literally a favorite topic for legal scholars to do PhD dissertations on. Even if the stakes weren't so high, it would be legally fascinating.
If the fraud still stands after that then the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution applies, and we build ourselves some great big igloos.
Question: Don't the duel slate of electors need to be certified by the State Governor to be sent th o Congress as was the case in Hawaii in 1960? Could the governor just ignore GOP electors and send Democrat slate of electors only?
It is massive because votes cast by today are guaranteed to be counted. This means these states, worst case scenario, are contested. If they're contested they can be thrown out by Pence.
the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted
I think some people just have a hard time comprehending it, the information is a lot to take in. Good for them for seeking the truth. Some of the legal contracts are hard to read. People aren’t educated on this topic, it hasn’t happened during our lifetime. I never knew any of this, but I do now. It’s also hard to find all the information in the world of fake news and some people don’t have the best reading skills. I actually don’t find it pathetic at all. Real information in hard to find and all other outlets aren’t even mentioning the dueling electors. Everyone’s just saying it’s over, but it’s not. The dueling set of electors really bought Trump some more time with these law suits and they maybe one of his paths to victory.
I don't think so. Nobody made these people electors to vote in the electoral college - in all the states it is the electors of the winner of the election. So that doesn't give anything to Pence to act on. The only thing it does I think is that if the election in state is reversed by a court, then those Republican electors have now voted on time and can have their votes counted. Or perhaps gives another remedy to a court to submit both slates on a finding that the true winner cannot be determined.
The legislatures did not select these electors to my knowledge. Everybody wanted them to, but they cucked out. The RNC did the selection. I'd like to be shown I am wrong on this, but I don't think so. It would be a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME if the legislatures selected them - I think there is some talk of the Nevada (or maybe it was Arizona) legislature doing that, but I don't think that has happened yet.
I originally thought that too, but that doesn't really make sense. Once the electors have voted, their votes are sealed and sent to be counted. Their status can't be changed as far as I'm aware, after the fact.
Now pence could decide one way or the other which ones to honor based on what he knows, or he might just decide to disallow votes from that state.
It may be contested but our electors are unofficial. I don’t think Pence can throw out Biden’s numbers if he doesn’t have actual dual electors. If it was so easy we wouldn’t be wasting our time lobbying state representatives and senators.
Any state that sends two sets of electors must be reviewed by the VP. He calls for the House and the Senate to discuss each contested State and submit back to the full joint session their decision.
If split we are in uncharted territory. Some legal theorists say the VP can decide if the vote is 1 to 1.
Most though agree that as it has in the past, it would go to a delegation vote in the House. One state, one vote until someone carries 26 states. But it does not have to be either Biden or Trump technically.
For detailed info read about the election of Thomas Jefferson in 1800
Yes but according to the 12th amendment, the legislature has to send them. The Nevada GOP is not the legislature. The Arizona GOP is not the legislature. Even Trump’s campaign adviser said they still need the states to send electors.
The good news is that the real election fraud evidence is starting to roll in. We had the Antrim County MI forensic report on the Dominion machines today. AZ is going to start there own audit. More will follow.
By Jan 6th the president should have ample evidence to act on his Sept. 12 2018 Executive order. We have time and we have a plan. I chose to believe that this E.O. was issued for a reason and the reason is upon us.
I've never seen the man back down. Let's see how this plays out.
States with close contests between Republican President Donald Trump and his Democratic rival Joe Biden could produce competing slates of electors, one certified by the governor and the other by the legislature.
Yes, and the point is that if more and more fraud and foreign intervention is proven it would be impossible to contest on the 6th if there were not competing slates of electors.
This gives one senator and one house member the ability to contest and request the trump electors be seated.
It’s actually good for them to do this so if we win cases or have actual electors, we’ll already be ready to certify for Trump, but I don’t understand why suddenly we forgot about the 12th Amendment. People are laughing at us because people here think these are the real electors. If this was all we had to do, we wouldn’t have to spend hours upon hours convincing the state legislature with these hearings. All we would have to do is convince Mike Pence, but it’s not that easy.
Pretty sure GA, AZ, and WI are confirmed. I know PA was doing a procedural vote to see if they had the votes but don't know if they ever sealed the deal. MI was blocking Trump electors from entering the building to place their vote. No idea if that's been resolved either.
I heard this rumor but nothing from official sources that I've seen.
It's total blackout. InfoWar to the max
entire media now full communist regime
not in the 80ies and 90ies
walter cronkite was a tool, he was just better at his job. Truly the gold Standard of "journalism"
Not just black but every ten seconds on the radio another announcement about sleepy joe. Winning and trumps delusions of a steal. These fuckers want the cork to pop. If it does we go straight for the politicians.
All assets deployed
Yes confirmed
True if yuge
Whitmer's ass diameter if true.
Nevada was on RSBN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W39MK-WRKhM
TY
We are China now. It's shocking really. I mean, I knew it would be bad, but I thought they'd at least chase whatever bleeds.
There was a local news video 3 minutes showing the MI meeting at the local GOP office close to the state capitol. It’s legit.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/exclusive-six-swing-states-pa-ga-mi-wi-az-nv-new-mexico-pick-slate-electoral-delegates-president-trump-joe-biden-means/
Ahh nice because the state police barred them from entering the state capitol building in michigan. Glad to hear they voted
How does that work with Nevada? Their house, Senate and gov are all dem, could the most based state with like 1 dem state congressperson still send dem electors if they wanted to?
This state only meets every other year for fucks sake and they managed to screw it up royally
That is only because DOJ/FBI are missing in action.
If DOJ and FBI start to arrest the secretary of states in 6 contested states and the election board members then the media will look like a fool ignoring the election fraud.
I can't believe we don't know 100% what happend today.
Seems fucked up that we're unsure if some states were able to send their electors or not.
Also, wtf... MI literally did not allow GOP electors into the building.
Coming from the same Gov. that said crazies were trying to kidnapp her? ... when it was the FBI?????
The fact they wouldn't let the GOP electors in basically confirms all of the GOP poll watchers saying they were thrown out. Sounds like they held their vote outside.
GA, AZ, WI is perfect for a 269-269 split
Best timeline
Don't forget the lawsuit in NM I believe that was just filed or is filed tomorrow. Unattended dropboxes were tossed around all over the place unattended without a legislative approval which alone is pretty significant. Easily raises the election being disputed there based on how many votes were received in those unattended drop boxes and the other stuff that went on. The gap in NM was not that big.
NV is also confirmed
Confirmation is bad, but really, nothing matters. Everything is just words on paper, even really excellent documents like the Constitution. What really matters is who is in power when. All the rules, good rules bad rules.... can be broken at will.
So, while right now we have a lot of games going on inside the confines of our over-complicated legal system, both sides trying to game the system to their advantage. But never forget that it's still just a set of rules, and rules can be set aside when it's needed.
So, when someone says "Ah, the rules say it's over" nothing is ever over. The fight just changes shape.
Michigan was blocking electors which means Michigan can be tossed.
What "election change"? BIDEN DIDNT WIN
Refers to the malarkey of all the changes made to the election supposedly in response to the scamdemic, like limiting number of observers, keeping them too far away to observe, mass mail-in voting, etc.
Lol could be a VPN
Correct. Nobody has won yet.
Bill Barr's belt size if true
I gotta say the fucking memes and comedy that has come out of this horrific situation definetly keeps this place HIGH FKING ENERGY/
Kamalalas snatch size if true.
Big mike's dick size rules all if true.
Whitmer's asshole diameter if true.
Dude get it together, Its Stretchin' Gretchen around here
What a shit show our country has become.
We look really weak with what these cheating dems have done.
It really is a third world fiasco, this whole election thing. We used to laugh at how ridiculous and blatant the cheating was in other countries. Now I see how it's done. The media is a huge part of it. Politicians acting against the people in exchange for CCP bucks and perks. So sad it's come to this.
I am black pilled beyond repair now. I know for a fact that 100% GA will go to the Dem senators in January. Let's hope Trump can pull the Presidential rabbit out of the hat before inauguration day.
I’m not so sure on GA. The Republican candidates and GOP governor, etc don’t seem worried about using the same damn dominion machines, so I wonder if the same back room deal fixes are in, but this time for Republicans.
Remember, this is not red vs blue. This is a uniparty vs patriots situation.
I think they made a deal — “get rid of Trump and you can put two republican swamp creatures in”. We’ll see.
That's what happens when you allow Bolsheviks in. Voting won't get rid of them either.
To them, political power is more important than silly things like democracy.
What we got right here is a Contested Election!
Yessir!
Nah, What we have here is a failure to communicate.
In the case of MI one could conclude that use of force in a disputed election to achieve a desired outcome could be evidence of malfeasance. Then again no court would ever allow it to reach the evidentiary stage but would throw it out on procedural grounds.
Bernard Kerik tweeted it-he was police chief of NY under Giuliani, so yeah, I thinks it’s good info
From the Gateway Pundit: Now up to 7
As the day comes to a close, seven states convened and picked a slate of electors for President Donald Trump as well as Joe Biden. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico all selected a slate of electors for President Trump as well as Joe Biden.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/exclusive-six-swing-states-pa-ga-mi-wi-az-nv-new-mexico-pick-slate-electoral-delegates-president-trump-joe-biden-means/
Looks like The Gateway Pundit is the only place to get reliable news when it happens these days.
The Epoch Times not too far off them too!
ET is excellent!
Are they sending all trump electors or mix of trump and biden electors ?
They're sending two slates from each state- one for Biden and one for Trump. For example, NV has 6 electoral votes, but sent 6 biden electors and 6 trump electors (12 total)
This is becoming far better than any Hollyweird movie!
Ir really is. My face muscles hurt from smiling and laughing today.
Right. Everyone is accurately pointing out that it is up to Pence to count the votes. He will have to count to the certified votes for Biden unless enough Patriots push their Congressmen to push Pence to refuse to count the Biden votes due to the contested states. Then no one gets to 270.
Can someone eli5 what this means in terms of the overall election? Does this mean both Trump AND Biden get the electors from these states (i.e. canceling each other out)?
I think this officially creates a conflict of dueling electors as the results are contested, thus setting it up for Pence as president of senate to select which set will count, aside from the results of any lawsuits. Then I think it goes to the house for one vote per state. But someone else confirm if anything else needs to happen for these things to happen.
Is it considered a conflict if one party just decides to send them? Not trying to be a doomer, legitimately wondering. Because with Nevada the house, senate and gov are all dem. That would be like the few dem legislators in South Dakota sending dem electors and calling it disputed. I saw somewhere that Pence only gets to decide if like the state leg certifies one and the gov certifies another but I could be wrong
The basis for sending them is that the states are contested and there is abundant evidence of fraud and pending lawsuits. Otherwise we could also send them for California and everywhere else. (Mind you there prob is fraud there but we aren’t focusing on those states, rather the ones that stopped counting mysteriously and then flipped in mathematical improbability.) I’m unsure about the other part.
This gives good info
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-dueling-electors-explain-idUSKBN2712M7
I'm not sure if that's good info with all of the Pelosi deciding stuff. It contradicts a lot of what I've seen of direct references to the Constitution. Probably has something to do with containing quotes like this "Trump has repeatedly said the election is rigged and made unfounded attacks on mail-in voting, which tends to favor Democrats."
The vp presides not pelosi
Yes its confirmed not sure about Michigan though because the state police barred the GOB electors from entering the state capitol building
Yes all of these have been confirmed
I was hoping I didn't need a constitutional law degree to follow thedonald. eli5?!
This is crazy. GOP electors? what does that mean?
Legislature selects electors per Constitution. Self or party appointed electors have no legal standing. Having been essentially elector-nominees gives them some rights with the ongoing lawsuits and having cast their currently valueless ballots on time means that their ballots may still count if courts overrule legislature recognition of the corrupt voting results.
In short, lawsuits may make this matter a lot but if courts continue obstructing accurate vote counts, this is symbolic only.
As much as I want this to be true the electors are not certified. The states didn't send two sets of certified electors.
TRUMP WON. CNN IS FAKE NEWS
It's true
All the battleground states have sent competing slates of electors, but of course our slates have not been certified by state governors.
How all this gets sorted on January 6th is extremely murky. The Electoral Counts Act of 1887 applies. It is one of the most convoluted pieces of legislation in history, and we're probably going to need a SCOTUS decision to untangle it. This is literally a favorite topic for legal scholars to do PhD dissertations on. Even if the stakes weren't so high, it would be legally fascinating.
If the fraud still stands after that then the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution applies, and we build ourselves some great big igloos.
Question: Don't the duel slate of electors need to be certified by the State Governor to be sent th o Congress as was the case in Hawaii in 1960? Could the governor just ignore GOP electors and send Democrat slate of electors only?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-dueling-electors-explain-idUSKBN2712M7
This gives good details
Lawyer pedes whats the difference between these electors and the others?
Michigan blocked them tho
Did our based Michigan electors ever get allowed to vote?
Rule of thumb. If a posts includes "Huge if true" "_____ if true" in it, it's probably not true.
It’s not massive. We still need to win in court or get the legislatures to act. This is like buying a trophy case before the finals start.
It is massive because votes cast by today are guaranteed to be counted. This means these states, worst case scenario, are contested. If they're contested they can be thrown out by Pence.
Not saying you're wrong but where do you see Pence gets to choose between these electors?
The constitution.
the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted
I think some people just have a hard time comprehending it, the information is a lot to take in. Good for them for seeking the truth. Some of the legal contracts are hard to read. People aren’t educated on this topic, it hasn’t happened during our lifetime. I never knew any of this, but I do now. It’s also hard to find all the information in the world of fake news and some people don’t have the best reading skills. I actually don’t find it pathetic at all. Real information in hard to find and all other outlets aren’t even mentioning the dueling electors. Everyone’s just saying it’s over, but it’s not. The dueling set of electors really bought Trump some more time with these law suits and they maybe one of his paths to victory.
That's doesn't imply he can pick and choose though?
If he sees two sets. At the very least it will mean it’s contested. Meaning it goes out to vote on the house. 1 vote per state. 30 republican states.
Thanks.
If there's a contested state, and a representative and senator from the state joins the contest pence is then allowed to choose the elector
Arbitrarily or is there a process that he needs to follow?
We need to get the state legislature to verify them I think.
This is correct and they are adjourned and have shown no movement towards doing it.
It makes him the head of the process.
Do you even read, bro? Go grab a constitution. 12th amendment.
If you don't know and can't provide, simply say "I don't know and can't provide". Do you think the world is populated by 3 yo kids?
good of you to not be afraid of asking questions - that's how we learn!
he is an ardent grasshopper.... he is learning
I don't think so. Nobody made these people electors to vote in the electoral college - in all the states it is the electors of the winner of the election. So that doesn't give anything to Pence to act on. The only thing it does I think is that if the election in state is reversed by a court, then those Republican electors have now voted on time and can have their votes counted. Or perhaps gives another remedy to a court to submit both slates on a finding that the true winner cannot be determined.
Legislatures have the power to do so, and they have acted by sending their own electors.
The legislatures did not select these electors to my knowledge. Everybody wanted them to, but they cucked out. The RNC did the selection. I'd like to be shown I am wrong on this, but I don't think so. It would be a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME if the legislatures selected them - I think there is some talk of the Nevada (or maybe it was Arizona) legislature doing that, but I don't think that has happened yet.
My man, these slates have been selected by the parties for a long time.
I originally thought that too, but that doesn't really make sense. Once the electors have voted, their votes are sealed and sent to be counted. Their status can't be changed as far as I'm aware, after the fact.
Now pence could decide one way or the other which ones to honor based on what he knows, or he might just decide to disallow votes from that state.
It may be contested but our electors are unofficial. I don’t think Pence can throw out Biden’s numbers if he doesn’t have actual dual electors. If it was so easy we wouldn’t be wasting our time lobbying state representatives and senators.
Any state that sends two sets of electors must be reviewed by the VP. He calls for the House and the Senate to discuss each contested State and submit back to the full joint session their decision.
If split we are in uncharted territory. Some legal theorists say the VP can decide if the vote is 1 to 1.
Most though agree that as it has in the past, it would go to a delegation vote in the House. One state, one vote until someone carries 26 states. But it does not have to be either Biden or Trump technically.
For detailed info read about the election of Thomas Jefferson in 1800
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1800_United_States_presidential_election#:~:text=It%20was%20held%20from%20October,Adams%20of%20the%20Federalist%20Party.&text=Adams%20had%20narrowly%20defeated%20Jefferson%20in%20the%201796%20election.
Yes but according to the 12th amendment, the legislature has to send them. The Nevada GOP is not the legislature. The Arizona GOP is not the legislature. Even Trump’s campaign adviser said they still need the states to send electors.
THANK YOU! The level of ignorance here us astonishing!
It’s insane. I’m literally reading it from the texts. Liberals on Twitter shouldn’t have to be schooling “patriots” on the Constitution.
The good news is that the real election fraud evidence is starting to roll in. We had the Antrim County MI forensic report on the Dominion machines today. AZ is going to start there own audit. More will follow.
By Jan 6th the president should have ample evidence to act on his Sept. 12 2018 Executive order. We have time and we have a plan. I chose to believe that this E.O. was issued for a reason and the reason is upon us.
I've never seen the man back down. Let's see how this plays out.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-dueling-electors-explain-idUSKBN2712M7
Close but Not exactly correct
Did you even read the article?
Yes, and the point is that if more and more fraud and foreign intervention is proven it would be impossible to contest on the 6th if there were not competing slates of electors.
This gives one senator and one house member the ability to contest and request the trump electors be seated.
This was my thought as well. I think it's political theatre for the GOP to pretend they are doing something so people will vote in the GA senate race.
It’s actually good for them to do this so if we win cases or have actual electors, we’ll already be ready to certify for Trump, but I don’t understand why suddenly we forgot about the 12th Amendment. People are laughing at us because people here think these are the real electors. If this was all we had to do, we wouldn’t have to spend hours upon hours convincing the state legislature with these hearings. All we would have to do is convince Mike Pence, but it’s not that easy.
Correct. Thanks for attempting to break through the mass LARP here.
Cuckboi DEPORT!