Right, but if it's only 95% effective like they claim, but the recovery rate even before the vaccine was well above 95%, then what is the vaccine needed for?
If my body is 99% effective at killing a disease, why would I need something that's only 95% effective?
That's the biggest worry. Wouldnt the elderly and the sick be the primary picks to try this on. If it works, great they wont die...if it doesnt and it affects the body negatively they are the first to show signs.
I’m not even for that. Vaccines typically require years of tests/trials. This vaccine has had a few months? We have no idea what long-term risks the vaccine may possess. To add, CNN ran an article saying, essentially, “don’t be alarmed if a bunch of old people die after getting the vaccine! It’s TOTALLY safe!”.
So yeah, I will not advocate that any person from any demographic get this vaccine. Again, as we all know, there’s a .004% risk of death from covid. I will not pretend covid is some fucking rampant killer where we absolutely must risk the very people’s health that we’re already concerned with by shoving a vaccine down their throat. This has been such an outrageous response from the beginning and I’m sick and tired of people entertaining any of it.
Sorry pede, don’t mean to direct any anger towards you. I seriously get so triggered talking about covid because I do not understand why, after all the data we now have, anyone would treat this differently than they would a cold.
The efficacyof a vaccine is its ability to decrease the incidence of that disease in a set population. The *incidence *is the probability that an individual will be diagnosed with a disease over a certain period of time. Efficacy and effectiveness mean two different things when it comes to vaccines, but in this case 95% is efficacy
The incidence of covid is tricky to determine for a number of reasons but lets pretend that its 10% across a certain time period. They determined the covid vaccine to have 95% efficacy after two doses. In this scenario it reduces each persons chance of being diagnosed with the disease by 95% across that time period, from 10% to 0.5%. This is just theoretical because in reality there are always people who are unable to take a vaccine and other variables.
95% efficacy does not mean that if a person contracts the disease they are 95% less likely to die of it.
Ok I understand that. But then surely that contradicts all these people who say "We still can't travel! We still need masks! The vaccine won't stop the spread!"
Because if it reduces the likelihood of catching it by 95% when that likelihood is already pretty low, and the survival rate is over 99%, then the chances of a random person dying from it are almost non existent.
For arguments sake, lets say we had no vaccines, and 10% of the population caught the coof in a year. If the death rate is 1% (probably a lot lower but we'll say 1% for the sake of this), then that's 0.1% of the population who would die per year. With an average lifespan of around 80, you'd expect 1-2% of the population to die of natural causes each year anyway. So if you take away 95% of cases, you're also taking away roughly 95% of deaths. Meaning there would be like 0.005% of the population dying of the coof per year. So that means like 1 in 3000 deaths in a given year would be cause by the coof.
If that is the case, why would we still need lockdowns and masks? I'm being really generous with numbers here too so it's probably a lot less than what I'm thinking.
I'm just kind of asking rhetorical questions, I know it's never been about the virus.
holy shit the next tweet is even worse. He goes on to say: "Everything still applies until all of us gets that two-dose regimen. We don't think that'll happen til June or July." Wow ALL of us huh? Yeah go FUCK YOURSELF
Isn't the vaccine just to prevent people who do not already have natural immunity from getting the disease? And if you have natural immunity, due to having had china flu and recovering from it, the vaccine would serve no medical purpose whatsoever. So, since the 'pandemic' has already infected everybody 3 or 4 times now according to the official numbers, my math tells me there's just about no one left who needs a vaccine. Vaccines expose your immune system to the disease in a weakened form so that your immune system develops an immune response - and so does being exposed to the actual disease do this same thing, probably much better. So, since there is no actual medical purpose in terms of preventing more china flu cases for this vaccine, ask yourself then, what is the purpose of forcing it on people? If you already had measles, getting a measles vaccine isn't something a doctor (competent doctor) would advise.
Some governors, including mine in Nevada, declared racism a public health emergency. Does that means he can lockdown all white people until racism doesn't exist?
Yes. Public health emergencies justify lockdowns to stop them. This logic will now be applied everywhere aspiring dictators can't muster enough support for the policies they want, even through fraud. All they have to do is declare an emergency and they're given unlimited power to fight it.
As successful as the fear has been on the sheep it will be permanent lockdowns because it "mutating" and of course it's bad now even getting chopped thru a wood chipper is a symptom!
The USA is expected to have 500,000 fewer babies born because of the pandemic. People don't want their kuds to die, plus they are in financual distress (thanks , filthy Democrats).
gullible muthafucka's buying into the vaccine bullshit. I certainly don't trust anything Bill Gates has an interest in. Hell he couldn't keep a microsoft OS from getting a virus, like I trust his and others like him input on healthcare.
Two things. With or without vaccinations they want us locked up and only the elites will fly the airways.
Also the media will never report on any side effects of the vaccination. They will gaslight or simply not report it. Or label it a right wing conspiracy theory.
I'm starting to think the original anti vaxx movement was a psy-op to turn everyone against the "anti vaxxers"-- allowing them to belittle those who refuse the ching chong virus vaccine.
I've always thought the hate for the anti-vaxers really had no merit. If you get vaccinated and I don't, I assume all the risk and your protected. Therefore, if vaccines are good in your worldview, I would be quite the fool to you, but no danger...
But somehow I'm some "science denier" that needs to be stamped out of existence. The reaction isn't natural, it seems contrived.
The answer lies in the use of words. Covid-19 is the symptomatic disease caused by the virus known Sars-Cov-2. In other words Covid-19 is to Sars-Cov-2 what AIDS is to HIV.
When these vaccines say they prevent covid-19 I think they are being literal and technical: they are preventing progression of the infection to the Covid-19 stage. But does it prevent infection by the Sars-Cov-2 virus. That's what I think is at the root of why vaccinated people could still spread it. They would still have the virus, just like someone with hiv who has not progressed to aids.
I read something on the conspiracy thread that it is not a vaccine, it does not carry any variant of the virus and it cannot cause immunity. It carries mRNA that holds instructions to create something that lessens the severity of symptoms. It's more of a profiliactic. Take that for what you will, not sure of the source, but it makes sense because that IS what mRNA does, holds instructions, I do know that much.
If it is a vaccine THEN IT MEANS YOU ARE IMMUNE, YOU CAN'T BECOME INFECTED AND YOU CAN'T INFECT OTHERS. THAT'S WHAT VACCINE MEANS
Right, but if it's only 95% effective like they claim, but the recovery rate even before the vaccine was well above 95%, then what is the vaccine needed for?
If my body is 99% effective at killing a disease, why would I need something that's only 95% effective?
it would be 95% effective on the 0.04% failure rate.
like if you had one gun that had a 0.04% failure, instead of nothing, you have another with a 5% failure rate.
still stupid.
The 0.04% is for people who are severely ill. If you're healthy you have a 100.00% survival rate.
i'm all for people in vulnerable demographics getting it. but most people don't need it.
they didn't really study it on the sick or the elderly. almost nobody in their study had a comorbidity whereas all the people dying have like 3.
That's the biggest worry. Wouldnt the elderly and the sick be the primary picks to try this on. If it works, great they wont die...if it doesnt and it affects the body negatively they are the first to show signs.
I’m not even for that. Vaccines typically require years of tests/trials. This vaccine has had a few months? We have no idea what long-term risks the vaccine may possess. To add, CNN ran an article saying, essentially, “don’t be alarmed if a bunch of old people die after getting the vaccine! It’s TOTALLY safe!”.
So yeah, I will not advocate that any person from any demographic get this vaccine. Again, as we all know, there’s a .004% risk of death from covid. I will not pretend covid is some fucking rampant killer where we absolutely must risk the very people’s health that we’re already concerned with by shoving a vaccine down their throat. This has been such an outrageous response from the beginning and I’m sick and tired of people entertaining any of it.
Sorry pede, don’t mean to direct any anger towards you. I seriously get so triggered talking about covid because I do not understand why, after all the data we now have, anyone would treat this differently than they would a cold.
oh no, it's complete garbage. i'll never get that thing. i'll sequester myself howard hughes style before i humour "papers please".
but i'm also for having the option available should someone want to exercise it. my body, my choice. their body, their choice.
at a certain age/set of comorbidities, you just might want to roll those dice.
There is a 99%+ chance your body is 100% effective at killing the disease.
The efficacyof a vaccine is its ability to decrease the incidence of that disease in a set population. The *incidence *is the probability that an individual will be diagnosed with a disease over a certain period of time. Efficacy and effectiveness mean two different things when it comes to vaccines, but in this case 95% is efficacy
The incidence of covid is tricky to determine for a number of reasons but lets pretend that its 10% across a certain time period. They determined the covid vaccine to have 95% efficacy after two doses. In this scenario it reduces each persons chance of being diagnosed with the disease by 95% across that time period, from 10% to 0.5%. This is just theoretical because in reality there are always people who are unable to take a vaccine and other variables.
95% efficacy does not mean that if a person contracts the disease they are 95% less likely to die of it.
Ok I understand that. But then surely that contradicts all these people who say "We still can't travel! We still need masks! The vaccine won't stop the spread!"
Because if it reduces the likelihood of catching it by 95% when that likelihood is already pretty low, and the survival rate is over 99%, then the chances of a random person dying from it are almost non existent.
For arguments sake, lets say we had no vaccines, and 10% of the population caught the coof in a year. If the death rate is 1% (probably a lot lower but we'll say 1% for the sake of this), then that's 0.1% of the population who would die per year. With an average lifespan of around 80, you'd expect 1-2% of the population to die of natural causes each year anyway. So if you take away 95% of cases, you're also taking away roughly 95% of deaths. Meaning there would be like 0.005% of the population dying of the coof per year. So that means like 1 in 3000 deaths in a given year would be cause by the coof.
If that is the case, why would we still need lockdowns and masks? I'm being really generous with numbers here too so it's probably a lot less than what I'm thinking.
I'm just kind of asking rhetorical questions, I know it's never been about the virus.
holy shit the next tweet is even worse. He goes on to say: "Everything still applies until all of us gets that two-dose regimen. We don't think that'll happen til June or July." Wow ALL of us huh? Yeah go FUCK YOURSELF
Source
https://twitter.com/meetthepress/status/1338912921632600066
Isn't the vaccine just to prevent people who do not already have natural immunity from getting the disease? And if you have natural immunity, due to having had china flu and recovering from it, the vaccine would serve no medical purpose whatsoever. So, since the 'pandemic' has already infected everybody 3 or 4 times now according to the official numbers, my math tells me there's just about no one left who needs a vaccine. Vaccines expose your immune system to the disease in a weakened form so that your immune system develops an immune response - and so does being exposed to the actual disease do this same thing, probably much better. So, since there is no actual medical purpose in terms of preventing more china flu cases for this vaccine, ask yourself then, what is the purpose of forcing it on people? If you already had measles, getting a measles vaccine isn't something a doctor (competent doctor) would advise.
Or your viral load is increased after the vaccine and that’s how you spread it!
This is all just so fucking dumb. There is no way they are letting up on the lock downs. I fear its just going to roll into "environmental lockdowns".
Yep, anyone who thinks things will go back to normal after vaccines is delusional.
Ah I can hope but you are probably right unfortunately
Some governors, including mine in Nevada, declared racism a public health emergency. Does that means he can lockdown all white people until racism doesn't exist?
Yes. Public health emergencies justify lockdowns to stop them. This logic will now be applied everywhere aspiring dictators can't muster enough support for the policies they want, even through fraud. All they have to do is declare an emergency and they're given unlimited power to fight it.
just identify as black.
he can try. That should work out hilariously.
There will be new strains of COVID, which will decrease efficacy of vaccine plans and provide platform for lockdowns for the next 2 years.
As successful as the fear has been on the sheep it will be permanent lockdowns because it "mutating" and of course it's bad now even getting chopped thru a wood chipper is a symptom!
I'm telling you guys it will "mutate" she that we can keep hammering the lockdowns. There's already news of mutations. They want to demoralize you.
The vaccine may actually cause antibody dependant enhancement and people could get sicker when they encounter covid
Can you give us some direction?
racism lockdowns next
Reducing the population?
So if the vast majority of those dumb enough to buy into the hysteria and get vaccinated are lefties, shouldn't we be encouraging them?
Absolutely!
Or increase it since theres only so many reruns you can watch before you get bored.
The USA is expected to have 500,000 fewer babies born because of the pandemic. People don't want their kuds to die, plus they are in financual distress (thanks , filthy Democrats).
It doesn't do anything good for us.
Si whats the point if the vacunes then? Oh yeah 💰 💰 💰
And every anti-vaxxer laughed and laughed. Then cried, because they wished they weren't right.
gullible muthafucka's buying into the vaccine bullshit. I certainly don't trust anything Bill Gates has an interest in. Hell he couldn't keep a microsoft OS from getting a virus, like I trust his and others like him input on healthcare.
To Protect You from Your Own Self, Bahahahaha JUNK SCIENCE
So what is the vaccine for then? Tracking us? Changing our DNA? What's it truly about?
Gulag time.
Two things. With or without vaccinations they want us locked up and only the elites will fly the airways. Also the media will never report on any side effects of the vaccination. They will gaslight or simply not report it. Or label it a right wing conspiracy theory.
I'd take bee sting therapy before I took this vaccine.
How about this, if you are old and sick and scared, stay the fuck home.
The rest of us will carry on as normal and use normal hygiene, hand washing, etc.
>just stay inside!
>just wear the mask!
>just get the vaccine!
>getting the vaccine doesn't mean things are back to normal!
>we still need masks, lockdowns, and social distancing!
I swear this whole thing is a humiliation ritual.
Then what's the point of the vaccine?
$$$
I'm starting to think the original anti vaxx movement was a psy-op to turn everyone against the "anti vaxxers"-- allowing them to belittle those who refuse the ching chong virus vaccine.
I've been considering the same.
I've always thought the hate for the anti-vaxers really had no merit. If you get vaccinated and I don't, I assume all the risk and your protected. Therefore, if vaccines are good in your worldview, I would be quite the fool to you, but no danger...
But somehow I'm some "science denier" that needs to be stamped out of existence. The reaction isn't natural, it seems contrived.
Stab, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing
Anyone getting this “vaccine” can have fun being sterile and dealing with the side effects that are sure to come within the next 5 years
Or “Just because you have a very safe SUV and insurance, DON’T DRIVE! You can still die! “
Are you a Free Man or neutered subject, choose wisely.
They will never give back freedom. We must take it by force.
So Wear a magical mask while traveling.
What's it good for. Teaching people to surrender their god given rights. F*ck their vaccine. They can give it to my dead body.
https://streamable.com/vjb3wh
LOL people are so stupid if they believe this... oh wait
the vaccine is good for pfizer
The answer lies in the use of words. Covid-19 is the symptomatic disease caused by the virus known Sars-Cov-2. In other words Covid-19 is to Sars-Cov-2 what AIDS is to HIV.
When these vaccines say they prevent covid-19 I think they are being literal and technical: they are preventing progression of the infection to the Covid-19 stage. But does it prevent infection by the Sars-Cov-2 virus. That's what I think is at the root of why vaccinated people could still spread it. They would still have the virus, just like someone with hiv who has not progressed to aids.
Your Incarcerated, You just don't know it.
So what the fuck is even the point of getting vaccinated
Psa. Most of the people commenting here dont know anything about vaccines...
Good people but not experts in the area.
Reality of vaccines is what you can find and healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com or vaccineimpact.com
Vaccines are a fraud based on a flawed concept and history will prove viruses are exosomes aka a response to a pathogen and not a pathogen itself.
Anyway. Never take any vaccines. They didnt save us from polio. And they are extremely toxic.
Nature has not designed human beings to wear masks or be injected with a cocktail of chemical toxins and human dna...
This is a giant fraud and one of the biggest redpill thats coming.
You can't just make shit up and call it vaccine!
Don't worry, once you get your "iv been vaccinated" chip implanted you can travel. But those people who don't, well enjoy not being able to travel.
Something completely different I'm afraid
Ffs
Insanity at its best. No way I am taking that poison
" What in the actual fuck is it good for?" BEST PHRASE EVER! 👏
BUMPER STICKER: MY IMMUNE SYSTEM CAN KICK YOUR VACCINES ASS!
I read something on the conspiracy thread that it is not a vaccine, it does not carry any variant of the virus and it cannot cause immunity. It carries mRNA that holds instructions to create something that lessens the severity of symptoms. It's more of a profiliactic. Take that for what you will, not sure of the source, but it makes sense because that IS what mRNA does, holds instructions, I do know that much.
mRNA contains the code for a protein in the vaccine, not the code for the virus though.
They also say, you have to continue wearing the mask after you get the vaccine....wtf
There's literally no point to the vaccine for anyone under the age of 70 if this is the case.
Clown World
My body my choice no thanks on the vaxx!
Its good for winning elections and making u ded
To become Godless. Don't touch it.
Gupta is a sketchy name. I only trust the Patel line.
Gupta Loopta Loompity Loo
Don’t use the street when you have to make poo
That says it all. DO NOT GET THIS “VACCINE.”