It only freed people in areas he didn't control and he would have allowed slavery if it would have saved the Union. At least according to writings in letters with friends of his.
You are correct, and the fact that he presided over the abolishment of slavery aside, Abraham Lincoln is up there with FDR as the worst President of all time.
Yes, I know Obama was terrible, but he was standing on the shoulders of these giants.
Lincoln permanently enshrined the paradigm of the state being enslaved and subservient to the federal government, and FDR created the welfare state to enslave the poor, both of which have done far greater long term damage than anything Zero could do.
While I do agree with everything you and Khakiclay wrote here, without Lincoln we wouldn't have a United States. Without reunifying the Confederacy with the Union, the two nations would have sniped at each other for centuries and we wouldn't have the powerhouse of freedom we do have, today. (And with Trump, we have a chance to weed out the interlopers.)
I'll take "flawed but usable" over "perfect but untenable" any day.
I don’t think it’s possible to project what would have happened if the north had let the south walk away.
It’s possible that would have happened, but it’s also possible that the country of Texas would be the world superpower now, and the northern states formerly known as the USA would just be Canada’s retarded stepbrother.
My only point in this, and I won’t hold it against you if you disagree, is that once we crossed the point of voluntary association into compulsory servitude, we lost the ability to walk away later if we came to an impasse again (much like we are at today with the leftists). Now a peaceful outcome is not possible.
Why would Texas go back to being its own country? Wouldn't it have remained part of the Confederacy? Texas never really wanted to be its own country. At least not back when it actually was.
Lincoln's biggest mistakes were 1. Choosing Johnson as his VP. And 2. helping to solidify the supremacy of the federal government. Otherwise though, he performed feats that made the 10 presidents before him look like nothing, I wouldn't call Lincoln a bad president at all. Like many of our top five juggernauts that we learn about in school, there's a lot of imperfections that they don't tell us about, but still a damn good president.
Probably more than that. But being a shill isn’t inherently bad for the country.
For example, if we had a president who was bought and paid for by Smith & Wesson who repealed the NFA and abolished the ATF, that would be fucking badass.
Depends on who is doing the buying; I would be surprised if it was ever anyone good like my example above but it doesn’t have to be bad. China, Bad. Big Pharma, bad, but probably not as bad as China. The MIC? Up there with big Pharma.
With that being said, I think permanently crippling states rights and the creation of the welfare state and perpetual government dependence are worse. Stocks go up, stocks go down, companies rise and fall - but the consequences of federal supremacy and government dependence transcend any particular corrupt business or politician.
Government dependence usually does but I’m not sure if that is any worse than companies buying the government to ensure they stay propped up as oligopolies. It was the robber barons who did the buying if I recall correctly. Massive steel and railroad conglomerates and so much more. Pretty infamous for using mercenaries to break up labor strikes by their workers.
He also fucked us by not sending the slaves back to their homeland even though he seemed to have really wanted to by his own admission through his writings. We haven’t and will never recover from this. The hoax of black victimization has been, and will continue to be a thorn in our side that has always been used to manipulate, and control the populace through subversion through guilt AKA original sin. The great diversity “melting” pot experiment failed a long time ago, and everybody knows this, but people are afraid of speaking the truth about it because they will be PNGed, and so the destruction of our country and western civilization will continue. 😞
It only freed people in areas he didn't control and he would have allowed slavery if it would have saved the Union. At least according to writings in letters with friends of his.
You are correct, and the fact that he presided over the abolishment of slavery aside, Abraham Lincoln is up there with FDR as the worst President of all time.
Yes, I know Obama was terrible, but he was standing on the shoulders of these giants.
Lincoln permanently enshrined the paradigm of the state being enslaved and subservient to the federal government, and FDR created the welfare state to enslave the poor, both of which have done far greater long term damage than anything Zero could do.
While I do agree with everything you and Khakiclay wrote here, without Lincoln we wouldn't have a United States. Without reunifying the Confederacy with the Union, the two nations would have sniped at each other for centuries and we wouldn't have the powerhouse of freedom we do have, today. (And with Trump, we have a chance to weed out the interlopers.)
I'll take "flawed but usable" over "perfect but untenable" any day.
I don’t think it’s possible to project what would have happened if the north had let the south walk away.
It’s possible that would have happened, but it’s also possible that the country of Texas would be the world superpower now, and the northern states formerly known as the USA would just be Canada’s retarded stepbrother.
My only point in this, and I won’t hold it against you if you disagree, is that once we crossed the point of voluntary association into compulsory servitude, we lost the ability to walk away later if we came to an impasse again (much like we are at today with the leftists). Now a peaceful outcome is not possible.
Why would Texas go back to being its own country? Wouldn't it have remained part of the Confederacy? Texas never really wanted to be its own country. At least not back when it actually was.
Lincoln's biggest mistakes were 1. Choosing Johnson as his VP. And 2. helping to solidify the supremacy of the federal government. Otherwise though, he performed feats that made the 10 presidents before him look like nothing, I wouldn't call Lincoln a bad president at all. Like many of our top five juggernauts that we learn about in school, there's a lot of imperfections that they don't tell us about, but still a damn good president.
Wasn’t there a president that was literally bought by corporate elites twice? I would think he would be worst since he actually was a shill.
Probably more than that. But being a shill isn’t inherently bad for the country.
For example, if we had a president who was bought and paid for by Smith & Wesson who repealed the NFA and abolished the ATF, that would be fucking badass.
Depends on who is doing the buying; I would be surprised if it was ever anyone good like my example above but it doesn’t have to be bad. China, Bad. Big Pharma, bad, but probably not as bad as China. The MIC? Up there with big Pharma.
With that being said, I think permanently crippling states rights and the creation of the welfare state and perpetual government dependence are worse. Stocks go up, stocks go down, companies rise and fall - but the consequences of federal supremacy and government dependence transcend any particular corrupt business or politician.
Government dependence usually does but I’m not sure if that is any worse than companies buying the government to ensure they stay propped up as oligopolies. It was the robber barons who did the buying if I recall correctly. Massive steel and railroad conglomerates and so much more. Pretty infamous for using mercenaries to break up labor strikes by their workers.
He also fucked us by not sending the slaves back to their homeland even though he seemed to have really wanted to by his own admission through his writings. We haven’t and will never recover from this. The hoax of black victimization has been, and will continue to be a thorn in our side that has always been used to manipulate, and control the populace through subversion through guilt AKA original sin. The great diversity “melting” pot experiment failed a long time ago, and everybody knows this, but people are afraid of speaking the truth about it because they will be PNGed, and so the destruction of our country and western civilization will continue. 😞