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My husband said SIPR net was down at work today. Granted that's antidotal and I'm just a stranger on the internet. So believe what you like. This does worry me a bit and brings up concerns about Chinese backdoors into our military intelligence/communications.
... Pede, please don’t get your husband in trouble. Knowledge of programs installed on SIPR and its operational readiness is equivalent to letting our enemies know where the aircraft carrier will be in a month.
Don’t worry fellow pedes, the Chinese are managing the firewall rules for the US military email infrastructure. Nothing could possibly go wrong just because Suzhou is where Microsoft farms out it’s online service. Just the networking and active directory administrators.
I think it's fuckin hillarous that they are worried about the integrity of "Secret" info, when Swallwell, a Chinese Spy is sitting in the intelligence committee
Tried to find more sources twenty minutes ago. They are all linking Solomons Just the News. I like it but he’s also the dude who promised indictments thirty five something times on Hannity sooo
I was downvoted to hell earlier for simply suggesting to be wary of Mr. Ed Solomon. His explanations are wholly insufficient and seem to be purposefully vague. I would love for him to be 100% right on everything. It’s just we’re getting lost in the weeds here Pedes, this is 5th generation informational warfare and we’re essentially on the front lines. We need to have real discourse about what is wheat vs what is chaff. Someone raising a general concern is not a doomer faggot. We are critical thinkers here. Let’s fucking go boys. We’ll be telling our grandchildren about these days, and I want them to be proud memories.
I realize now the reference was to the just the news Solomon. It’s Ed Solomon’s “number wheels” that I’m not convinced about. And I’m genuinely looking for someone to explain it to me in a way that it makes sense and is understandable, I want to understand what I’m not comprehending
I will try to explain it to you. First I’ve watched him do his stuff over 13 days or so.
Ok so he finds multiple time stamps that have the same ratio. The chance of just having two time stamps matching say is 1 in 6,000. But usually it’s like 4 to 20 all at once.
See this 3 minute video I made of him finding this stuff.
So what’s the big deal? He proves that it’s like a 1 in 73 quadrillion chance of the reports votes for Trump and Biden not to be natural. If they were natural you’d have random voting and there would be tons and tons of different ratios. But instead we have repeating ratios.
It’s a little complicated to explain the wheel balance thing but I’ll try. It turns the wheel say 90° so it can do negative numbers but at the end it gets like 25% average to rotate it back.
So let’s say you want 75% of votes to go to Biden and 25% to go to Trump to make up a big deficit of Trump’s lead. So if you did that it’s an obvious and easily detectable cheat. So what dominion did is use this wheel balancing thing
So it shoots it out say 16 votes to Biden on the 8 mark on the wheel to the left of 0. Then it shoots 8 votes to Trump on the -8 mark and 4 votes to Trump on the -6 and 4 votes to Trump on the -10 mark. See how they maintains balance? So it’s a little hard to detect.
Thank you. I’m gonna have to watch and read that a few times. I’m but a simple tradesman and I’m trying very hard to comprehend the computer science stuff as well as I understand the other stuff
Fear not fellow tradesman, we teach ourselves because we have to. We can learn anything we put our minds to! My coworkers talk like this sometimes like, "well I never went to college.." guess what bud? I know a lot of people that went to college and a bunch of those cock suckers are total idiots who are tens of thousands of dollars in debt AND they probably couldn't figure half the shit you do at work. Anyway you probably don't need a pep talk but it needs to be said!
But seriously, I used to use sipr on the regular. Guy who unused to work with told me about this hours ago. Unplanned updates during the workday have never happened like that that I know of.
If SIPRNET is down globally, it is likely to fix weaknesses exposed by Solar Winds backdoor/"hack" and to close off any access already gained by bad actors.
Don't forget this Chinese Economic Professor in that Tucker Carlson openly bragging about having "ties" in the higher circles of Government since 1992, in reference to the establishment and deep state.
The Moment the Tianamen Square Incident happened back in '89 was the moment we should have cut off China from all trade with the outside world.
And I bet if Ronald Reagan was in charge we would have, but instead we had H. W. Bush the coward who did nothing
He, along with Clinton and his son, maintained the lie that China was democratizing and would soon be a free country (which they weren’t and tianamen square proved it).
It's supposed to be isolated, but if both the SIPRnet and someone accessing it are comprimised, it's quite possible for protocols to be broken on both ends that allow it to communicate with the WWW. Theorectically it just takes a single wire to connect SIRPnet to the WWW.
If both the network and system accesing it are compromised, they can theoretically just bypass any kind of authetication or encryption with their own means of sending the data. The access might be limited in some sense, and it's definately a much more complex issue with many moving parts, but with backdoors on both ends, most of the rules can go out of the window, atleast for certain parts.
Quantum Encryption allows for what amounts to an airgap. Pretty cool actually. Also, airgaps can be compromised. There were some fun audio and thermal based exploits at CCC over the last decade focusing on this.
Don’t worry, NSA was talking about compartmentalizing TS+ with quantum cryptography at DEFCON in 2019. Also all the at rest encrypted stuff is minimum 2048-bit AES.
Without knowing the gory specifics im sorta leaning the same way, i find it hard to believe it went completely unnoticed for a year.
Feels more like an inside gov job to skirt surveillance laws with a fail safe that if/when it became known by those "not in on it" it could be blamed on foreign hackers and solarwinds would take the fall.
Like i believe the hack happened and solarwinds was the method, as their stock is going to take a beating, just not that it was a sophisticated unknown foreign actor.. more likely to be say Chyna/CIA and only managed to survive so long unnoticed as those tasked with maintaining and monitoring the affected systems were either part of it or paid/blackmailed/whatever to turn a blind eye m keep quiet.
OP, if you do the tiniest bit of research (Google “siprnet shutdown”), you’ll find a reputable source that says:
“The Defense Department alerted employees that the SIPRNET system was being shut down in the late morning for emergency software updates, the sources told Just the News.”
I’m getting really sick of this garbage. As recently as two weeks ago, TDW was my trusted source for what’s really going on. Now there’s trash like this all over the place.
People are getting impatient like they're kids on a long Christmas break forced to wait until Christmas to find out if the gift they really want is going to be under the tree.
Election happened 42 days ago and we have nothing but speculation on what's going to happen even though there's some very solid information on the actual fraud if you have the time to do some research.
We've never seen anything like this in the history of the United States.
The cool heads are going to keep up with the developments but are going to apply the 48 hour rule to any breaking news. Once the emotion around the story subsides, it's easier to separate the wheat from the chaff.
There’s other context though: a disclosed cyber attack by a foreign actor that gained access to numerous systems. Saying it’s going down for maintenance would be par for the course to hunt down any more significant or implanted intrusions into the system.
Some of their machines have cellular modems inside... I do remember seeing an area where the celluar modem and cellurar internet service were listed on the PO. Can't remember which area this was for.
If you're pulling a global link for a patch update, there's no fail over involved either. Meaning the fix is mission critical to the point that forcing connections off the network is important - more important then everyone else having access to real time data.
That happened this morning. Sounds like they were following protocol regarding Solarwinds warning. Otherwise they are pulling shit to affect The Donalds plan.
No. That would be something wrong with gmail(google's) auth system, or something wrong with their tokens-verification system.
Thing is the guts and a lot of the RFC stuff in email is over 40 years old, and is full of patchwork fixes to keep it going as more people have come online. There's a whole host of issues that could be causing it, everything from bad filtering rules without proper testing, to some failure of some chunk of hardware sitting in the asshole of nowhere and the fallback hardware being overloaded because of it, causing the drops. With the system dashboard reporting "It's all a-oaky Guv. 99.999999999999% availability."
edit: There's been a whole pile of discussions on rebuilding the email system from scratch to fix a lot of the problems. But to be honest? It'll probably be still patchwork systems keeping it going 40 years from now too. Until it gets so bad that they sit down and replace the complete guts of it all. Everything from how email servers operate to the protocols that make it happen.
Most likely not. You'd be surprised at what can bring down a site, I mean have you ever wondered why on servers, there's an actual logging item when one goes down with "User error: Cord unplugged."
well - fwiw - if SIPR is legit off or down - then I'm guessing it's been planned/directed? what I do for work is not blowing up? so.. I'm guessing there's no unexpected outages they're dealing with? No chatter about it at all actually... interesting...
Is it still down? or was it just down for some time and it's back?
My husband said SIPR net was down at work today. Granted that's antidotal and I'm just a stranger on the internet. So believe what you like. This does worry me a bit and brings up concerns about Chinese backdoors into our military intelligence/communications.
anecdotal
cure confirmed
HQC+Z
HQC+Z can't cure liberalism
Cyanide can, though.
I think a few weeks of hourly bitch slaps could cure liberalism.
Yeah but IVe been on it since the age of 19, and I never became liberal 🤔🤔🤔
Lead does
This commie invasion of our country is less than acceptable.
HCQ?
hydroxychloroquine
desperately searches for the HCQ key on keyboard
This would make a good meme.
and dispooted
I'M GONNA DISPOOOOOOT
Thank you.
DEBONKED
LOL... this place. No matter how bad the news, I always leave feeling better.
Idk why but DEBONKED/DEBOONKED get me every time. Just lmao
reedonked imo. Still funny.
Just saw dispooted.
❤💪🏻
We will only be safe if we take a seasonal anecdote and don't leave our house. Enact basic sit-at-home income now!
... Pede, please don’t get your husband in trouble. Knowledge of programs installed on SIPR and its operational readiness is equivalent to letting our enemies know where the aircraft carrier will be in a month.
DING DING DING...
Hubby needs his ass reminded NOT TO TALK ABOUT SIPR. Ever.
But what if he wants to impress people on the internet about how much inside information he knows?
PentagonAnon!
ORANGE MAN NO LONGER BAD THE MADMAN IS DOING IT!!! IT'S FUCKING HAPPENIIING! P
Exactly. OPSEC for crying out loud.
You mean like the aircraft carrier captain that got fired and everyone went crazy about
DING DING DING
"Oh, it's down. Sorry."
LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS! :)
Don’t worry fellow pedes, the Chinese are managing the firewall rules for the US military email infrastructure. Nothing could possibly go wrong just because Suzhou is where Microsoft farms out it’s online service. Just the networking and active directory administrators.
I think it's fuckin hillarous that they are worried about the integrity of "Secret" info, when Swallwell, a Chinese Spy is sitting in the intelligence committee
That's because average individual will get two years jail for leaks. While Rep Swalwell might not even get a fine
Looks like he got a blow job for them
Don't forget Feinstein. XD
lol
I asked my BIL but he wasn't on base today. If it's still down later I think I can confirm it
Heels Up may have to disagree with you on that.
John Solomon.
https://justthenews.com/government/security/pentagon-imposed-emergency-shutdown-computer-network-handling-classified?amp
Delete the AMP link cruft:
https://justthenews.com/government/security/pentagon-imposed-emergency-shutdown-computer-network-handling-classified
What does that do?
Helps Google make a breadcrumb trail on you so they can keep on tracking you.
So if you want to preserve your privacy, always remove "amp" from the url, before sharing it.
Also stop using Google to search for anything.
Makes the link louder.
But does it go up to "11"?
https://medium.com/@danbuben/why-amp-is-bad-for-your-site-and-for-the-web-e4d060a4ff31
Tried to find more sources twenty minutes ago. They are all linking Solomons Just the News. I like it but he’s also the dude who promised indictments thirty five something times on Hannity sooo
I was downvoted to hell earlier for simply suggesting to be wary of Mr. Ed Solomon. His explanations are wholly insufficient and seem to be purposefully vague. I would love for him to be 100% right on everything. It’s just we’re getting lost in the weeds here Pedes, this is 5th generation informational warfare and we’re essentially on the front lines. We need to have real discourse about what is wheat vs what is chaff. Someone raising a general concern is not a doomer faggot. We are critical thinkers here. Let’s fucking go boys. We’ll be telling our grandchildren about these days, and I want them to be proud memories.
Edward Solomon reversing the dominion algorithm or John Solomon the just the news guy?
I realize now the reference was to the just the news Solomon. It’s Ed Solomon’s “number wheels” that I’m not convinced about. And I’m genuinely looking for someone to explain it to me in a way that it makes sense and is understandable, I want to understand what I’m not comprehending
I will try to explain it to you. First I’ve watched him do his stuff over 13 days or so.
Ok so he finds multiple time stamps that have the same ratio. The chance of just having two time stamps matching say is 1 in 6,000. But usually it’s like 4 to 20 all at once.
See this 3 minute video I made of him finding this stuff.
https://streamable.com/w0vava
So what’s the big deal? He proves that it’s like a 1 in 73 quadrillion chance of the reports votes for Trump and Biden not to be natural. If they were natural you’d have random voting and there would be tons and tons of different ratios. But instead we have repeating ratios.
It’s a little complicated to explain the wheel balance thing but I’ll try. It turns the wheel say 90° so it can do negative numbers but at the end it gets like 25% average to rotate it back.
So let’s say you want 75% of votes to go to Biden and 25% to go to Trump to make up a big deficit of Trump’s lead. So if you did that it’s an obvious and easily detectable cheat. So what dominion did is use this wheel balancing thing
So it shoots it out say 16 votes to Biden on the 8 mark on the wheel to the left of 0. Then it shoots 8 votes to Trump on the -8 mark and 4 votes to Trump on the -6 and 4 votes to Trump on the -10 mark. See how they maintains balance? So it’s a little hard to detect.
Thank you. I’m gonna have to watch and read that a few times. I’m but a simple tradesman and I’m trying very hard to comprehend the computer science stuff as well as I understand the other stuff
Fear not fellow tradesman, we teach ourselves because we have to. We can learn anything we put our minds to! My coworkers talk like this sometimes like, "well I never went to college.." guess what bud? I know a lot of people that went to college and a bunch of those cock suckers are total idiots who are tens of thousands of dollars in debt AND they probably couldn't figure half the shit you do at work. Anyway you probably don't need a pep talk but it needs to be said!
Chaff in both the literal and figurative sense, as it's also little strips of metal dispersed into the air to fool radar-homing missiles.
"trust me bro"
But seriously, I used to use sipr on the regular. Guy who unused to work with told me about this hours ago. Unplanned updates during the workday have never happened like that that I know of.
Because telling the internet about the operational capability of a network that processes classified information is a good fucking idea.
The internet already told us.
SIPRNET is not critical. To our immediate operational capability
I'll go into work and check. How about that
Well
If SIPRNET is down globally, it is likely to fix weaknesses exposed by Solar Winds backdoor/"hack" and to close off any access already gained by bad actors.
I sure hope so. we are in a real war right now with china they just haven't come out and said it
Ever since they got Clinton into office - remember the bust of Clinton Gore taking money from CCP and they had to return it?
Elder Pepe Farms remembers.
I remember him selling classified technology to allow the PRC to build quieter submarine propellers
Can't recall the company name but I was in the Navy at the time or recently out and we were pissed
Don't forget this Chinese Economic Professor in that Tucker Carlson openly bragging about having "ties" in the higher circles of Government since 1992, in reference to the establishment and deep state.
The Moment the Tianamen Square Incident happened back in '89 was the moment we should have cut off China from all trade with the outside world.
And I bet if Ronald Reagan was in charge we would have, but instead we had H. W. Bush the coward who did nothing
He, along with Clinton and his son, maintained the lie that China was democratizing and would soon be a free country (which they weren’t and tianamen square proved it).
The 100 Year Marathon by Pillsbury is an interesting look at the last 60 years with China
50's
I was referencing Korea
:)
This. DoD uses solarwinds in a loooooooooot of places.
Probably due to them using solarwinds for cyber monitoring...
They are probably replacing it with splint or something.
Ahh the ol "turn it off and on again" trick. I feel safer now
Should we blow in the game cartridges as well?
Alcohol wipe if shit gets real
Just give it a swift kick.
Windows Vista joke here
Nah. You pull it out just a little bit so when you plug it in, the ass scrapes the lock.
This was going to be my response.
The good ones leave trails to their enemies.
This is true. Confirmed by Wikileaks.
Or to their enemy's enemies (i.e. Rusha rusha rusha)
SIPRnet is isolated from the internet. They run their own wires. Havkers can't just get in from the internet
It's supposed to be isolated, but if both the SIPRnet and someone accessing it are comprimised, it's quite possible for protocols to be broken on both ends that allow it to communicate with the WWW. Theorectically it just takes a single wire to connect SIRPnet to the WWW.
Doesn’t it auth connections with the normal janglies? That breaks the explanation for me.
If both the network and system accesing it are compromised, they can theoretically just bypass any kind of authetication or encryption with their own means of sending the data. The access might be limited in some sense, and it's definately a much more complex issue with many moving parts, but with backdoors on both ends, most of the rules can go out of the window, atleast for certain parts.
Quantum Encryption allows for what amounts to an airgap. Pretty cool actually. Also, airgaps can be compromised. There were some fun audio and thermal based exploits at CCC over the last decade focusing on this.
Realized that it's still not really an airgap just a limiting function imposed on attackers.
And divulging this information to the world wide web is a good idea? C'mon man!
I’m sure people that have the ability to hack into our government’s IT infrastructures didn’t think of that one until seeing it posted here.
The entire network isn't airgapped, not secure.
Don’t worry, NSA was talking about compartmentalizing TS+ with quantum cryptography at DEFCON in 2019. Also all the at rest encrypted stuff is minimum 2048-bit AES.
Big tech is death, home brewed tech can be dope
I 100% believe the solarwinds exploit of Orion is a smokescreen for a much deeper hack, or a specific target.
Without knowing the gory specifics im sorta leaning the same way, i find it hard to believe it went completely unnoticed for a year.
Feels more like an inside gov job to skirt surveillance laws with a fail safe that if/when it became known by those "not in on it" it could be blamed on foreign hackers and solarwinds would take the fall.
Like i believe the hack happened and solarwinds was the method, as their stock is going to take a beating, just not that it was a sophisticated unknown foreign actor.. more likely to be say Chyna/CIA and only managed to survive so long unnoticed as those tasked with maintaining and monitoring the affected systems were either part of it or paid/blackmailed/whatever to turn a blind eye m keep quiet.
OP, if you do the tiniest bit of research (Google “siprnet shutdown”), you’ll find a reputable source that says:
“The Defense Department alerted employees that the SIPRNET system was being shut down in the late morning for emergency software updates, the sources told Just the News.”
https://justthenews.com/government/security/pentagon-imposed-emergency-shutdown-computer-network-handling-classified
I’m getting really sick of this garbage. As recently as two weeks ago, TDW was my trusted source for what’s really going on. Now there’s trash like this all over the place.
What the hell is going on around here?
People are getting impatient like they're kids on a long Christmas break forced to wait until Christmas to find out if the gift they really want is going to be under the tree.
Election happened 42 days ago and we have nothing but speculation on what's going to happen even though there's some very solid information on the actual fraud if you have the time to do some research.
We've never seen anything like this in the history of the United States.
The cool heads are going to keep up with the developments but are going to apply the 48 hour rule to any breaking news. Once the emotion around the story subsides, it's easier to separate the wheat from the chaff.
In fairness, wouldn't the DoD issue a statement like that no matter what?
There’s other context though: a disclosed cyber attack by a foreign actor that gained access to numerous systems. Saying it’s going down for maintenance would be par for the course to hunt down any more significant or implanted intrusions into the system.
The "emergency" was the vulnerability they discovered
OP IS A FAGGOT
Changing the password to "Solarwinds321"
If you type in your password it was Solarwind that changed it to ***********
Try it for yourself, for example my password is *************
see it can't even show you. We've been hacked too.
Ok here goes,
My password is Hunter2
Can you see it?
All I see is
My password is *******
Crazy right?
https://bash.org/?quote=244321
Muuuch better
Spaceballs 12345 https://youtu.be/li9Qf-nQgWE
Isn't the SIPR air-gapped with NIPR? The SolarWind shit should not affect the SIPR even if their is a problem.
This is either an abundance of caution or shit is actually going down.
Anybody who knows the answer to that can’t give it to you.
But yes, they are separate networks.
Apparently they are not completely air-gapped. SIPR does flow over NIPR in areas where completely seperate networks are impractical.
Anyways, the question was mostly rhetorical. SIPR should not have been affected by the SolarWind BS.
Correct
Yes- but SIPR net is encrypted (highly) as it runs through the unclass networks.
Lol, cheers friend!
Some of their machines have cellular modems inside... I do remember seeing an area where the celluar modem and cellurar internet service were listed on the PO. Can't remember which area this was for.
Yes. Seperate wires, not connected to the internet at all
Were SIPR and NIPR created by the Gipper?
While mostly true thati they are air-gapped, in reality there are a few interconnects.
It’s for secret clearance and below. There are still two levels of clearance above it, presumably on another protocol.
With the Solar wind shit going on, would not read to much into it.
this is why people are reading into it
I sadly have 1 upvote to give
Maybe it needed repairs. Not everything is a "sign" of impending "stuff".
If you're pulling a global link for a patch update, there's no fail over involved either. Meaning the fix is mission critical to the point that forcing connections off the network is important - more important then everyone else having access to real time data.
Holy crap, I'm on vacation right now but I use SIPRnet at work all the time. I'll have to check my work email
Probably a bunch of child porn on there
I wonder if they will shut down Hillary's private e-mail server in her closet, er, I mean SCIF.
Classified information "up to" the secret level.
That is pretty low-level stuff. Most privates and corporals have a "secret" clearance.
This isn't the canary in the coal mine.
It is coming, but this isn't it.
Right. I had a Secret @ 18 in the Navy.
ditto 18 army. :)
Trying to block Declass?
NO!!!! They just mentioned the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, meaning IT'S NO LONGER SECRET!
You IDIOTS!
Is this when they turn on Skynet?
That happened this morning. Sounds like they were following protocol regarding Solarwinds warning. Otherwise they are pulling shit to affect The Donalds plan.
Is this why Gmail has been having deliverability issues ever since Monday?
To pedes from the cyberwarfare division of TDW: Gmail has been bouncing emails for legit addresses (https://support.google.com/mail/thread/88812347?hl=en).
No. That would be something wrong with gmail(google's) auth system, or something wrong with their tokens-verification system.
Thing is the guts and a lot of the RFC stuff in email is over 40 years old, and is full of patchwork fixes to keep it going as more people have come online. There's a whole host of issues that could be causing it, everything from bad filtering rules without proper testing, to some failure of some chunk of hardware sitting in the asshole of nowhere and the fallback hardware being overloaded because of it, causing the drops. With the system dashboard reporting "It's all a-oaky Guv. 99.999999999999% availability."
edit: There's been a whole pile of discussions on rebuilding the email system from scratch to fix a lot of the problems. But to be honest? It'll probably be still patchwork systems keeping it going 40 years from now too. Until it gets so bad that they sit down and replace the complete guts of it all. Everything from how email servers operate to the protocols that make it happen.
Well, all of Google went down for a moment early Monday. Could be related, could be not.
Most likely not. You'd be surprised at what can bring down a site, I mean have you ever wondered why on servers, there's an actual logging item when one goes down with "User error: Cord unplugged."
"Secret level" is a lower level of clearance. This is no story.
Eh, secret isn't that big of a deal
Is a classified internet needed if everything is declassified? Just thinking out loud
SIPR net is compromised? Fuck! Now my info is in the hands of China.
It already was
Does this mean I have to pay for Netflix?!?
They really don't want to give up the declass documents
As someone who gets on it regularly, SIPR or the high side, is often down. Pretty annoying when trying to do my job.
Likely just precautionary to close possible security vulnerabilities and kill any hidden processes. Minimal interruption if done correctly.
Did another pipe burst?
Maybe someone should call Dominion and see if they can send someone over to fix it.
My guess is they heard the password was solarwinds123 and decided to shut it all down while they investigate.
This doesn't say anything. The source is barely even mentioned. This form of Twitter journalism is getting really old, really quickly.
Somebodybtweeted it, so it's gotta be true. No source needed, right?
Source?
What do we think is going down?
Routine chinese spying.
Probably
That is actually a for real holy shit thing going down SIPRnet going down
good catch OP
What?! SNASA has shut down the Sinternet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBDA21Vc-5Y
So whats the scoop with this?
https://justthenews.com/government/security/pentagon-imposed-emergency-shutdown-computer-network-handling-classified
Fuck. SIPR net is down?
Holy SH*T....SIPRNet is no joke. Thats...I cannot put into words how big a deal that is. Literally, you can't talk about it.
well - fwiw - if SIPR is legit off or down - then I'm guessing it's been planned/directed? what I do for work is not blowing up? so.. I'm guessing there's no unexpected outages they're dealing with? No chatter about it at all actually... interesting...
Is it still down? or was it just down for some time and it's back?
From the Just the News article, it almost seems like a hotfix.