The alternative is that what they have been doing ultimately works. SCOTUS finally takes a case and rules. No court except SCOTUS matters. Either the dems win in the lower courts and continue with the mantra that Biden won, there's no evidence, or Trump wins and the dems appeal. Ultimately, either SCOTUS rules for Trump or we lose the judicial branch.
They have the current cases, and they have any cases they may file in the near term. If the EO and insurrection act are going to help. they're really running out of time fast. I don't think any of that is going to help. They've got to act, and then based on what they find, they file new cases or strengthen existing ones. They're virtually out of time on that. That's why I say it's either the current cases and current evidence, or we likely lose the Judicial.
Same thing with politicking the legislatures both state and federal. They've made their cases. They can pressure and politick with what they have. They could use the EO/insurrection act to shock and awe, but again, they're running out of time. If they're going to do it, what are they waiting on? Otherwise, they're facing flacid cowardly rino and deep state GOP politicians who are lead around by the nose of the fake news media complex, not to mention China. They aren't doing as well on that as anyone would admit. We saw that yesterday with McConnel. He's got to get either SCOTUS or the legislatures, and I don't really see how he's got time to put a lot on the table that isn't already there, EO or not.
If not SCOTUS or Congress, what he has left is martial law, coup d'etat, violence and riots in the streets, and civil war. He's not going to use that to seize power. Doing so is more likely to make the color revolution successful if anything. The violence will likely happen if SCOTUS or Congress inaugurate Trump for any reason. Either he wins Congress or SCOTUS or it's over. Ultimately he will concede.
Thinking about that now, that's where the EO and the insurrection act probably come into play. Not to cause the inauguration of Trump, but to secure the legitimate inauguration and quell the chaos, unrest, violence, riots that inevitably result before civil war, before the break down of his second term. I think they know they're going to lose, and the break down of his legitimate second term is what the real final goal is. The EO and insurrection act is probably what saves us in the end. That's why nothing has happened. All of this is the prelude to SCOTUS or Congress or both inaugurating Trump. That's when the fight may really begin.
Exactly. Someone challenged me when I said we better get up off our couches and make sure we primary all these fuckers. Only, yeah, we'll never have another legitimate election again. So, we're fucked. Hopefully Congress or SCOTUS will sort it out. Otherwise we're fucked no matter what and God only knows what happens, and I don't believe in God.
You're misunderstanding what I said. I said if Trump loses both Congress and SCOTUS, he's not going to do a military coup d'etat. I don't believe he'll use the military/insurrection act/EO to re-install himself as president. I predict that either he wins in the state legislatures, Congress, or SCOTUS, or it's over in less than 5 weeks. I just read an article about a meeting with Powell, Gulliani, Meadows, Flynn, Trump's personal lawyer, and the idea of using the military was soundly shot down. Another story just now on TGP: Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy and Army chief of staff Gen. James McConville released a statement Friday saying they will not participate in a martial law order following the stolen election.
Trump is in an increasingly small bubble in the Whitehouse. Either he gets the legislatures or the courts, or he's done. If anything, the insurrection act and EO come after Trump's legitimate inauguration. Short of legitimacy from the other two branches, he's going to need a civil war in DC starting on the 6th.
I understand you; I'm disagreeing with you. He can fire any general he wants, and he will fire and imprison or execute a LOT of them if he has to, because he has the loyalty of the troops. So this doesn't matter:
Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy and Army chief of staff Gen. James McConville released a statement Friday saying they will not participate in a martial law order following the stolen election.
Your POV is incorrect. If Trump decides to take extraordinary measures, including the EO and the Insurrection Act and even up to martial law, and the militia,
it is not a coup d'etat and
if you think it is a coup, then you are either confused - or you are dirty , sowing FUD - Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.
TRUMP WON THE ELECTION WITH LEGAL VOTES. This is not a coup, Trump is defending the Constitution, and so will any of us who ever took the Oath - which you apparently never did. If you had, you would understand this point clearly.
He doesn't have to re-install himself as President because he was never lawfully removed. I don't care what article you read about the
meeting with Powell, Gulliani, Meadows, Flynn, Trump's personal lawyer, and the idea of using the military was soundly shot down
as if Trump would listen to anyone telling him to stop fighting for the Republic and her Constitution. as if.
As if he would reveal his plans. He's using misdirection. He is a student of Sun Tzu. If there is a story that says Trump is giving up, that story is false. There's no quit in him. He is capable of facing facts. The fact is if we let the assholes get away with this, it is the last chance we will ever have for real elections. Trump knows this and has been planning for this for years.
Short of legitimacy from the other two branches, he's going to need a civil war in DC starting on the 6th.
Again, that's not the situation. If Trump needs to deal with an 'unlawful combination or conspiracy' according to the terms of the Insurrection Act, that's not a civil war - even if he mobilizes the militia or the guard and reserve - it's essentially a response to an invasion (by China) aided by traitors in government.
So with respect to China, Trump's actions would be resisting an invasion as CinC; with respect to the traitors, it's a criminal matter, and both can be dealt with using the broad latitude afforded the Chief Executive in his role as chief of Law Enforcement in the USA. There may well be fraud and corruption in the Legislative and Judicial branches of the Republic but they can be dealt with using the militia and the armed forces under the Insurrection Act. Lincoln set the precedent when he put a Supreme Court Justice in jail.
It all comes down to who is loyal to their oaths, how many they are. If you look at the size of the Trump rallies and the frustration level of all those people who were disenfranchised and impoverished this year by Chinese stooges, there is going to be hell to pay; who is going to complain?
China stooges Soros stooges.
And a few people who went to Biden 'rallies'.
Kemp is going to perp walk at the head of a long line.
There is no civil war, structurally, in the political dynamics of the situation. If China did not exist, we would not be in this mess. The threat to the Republic comes from outside: China.
Trump destroying the attempt to steal the election and its perpetrators - is not a coup or a civil war.It's Trump as the rightful holder of the office upholding the oath of office.
Now, let me ask you this. I agree, theoretically, Trump could come in and arrest a bunch of people, including members of Congress. He could seize a bunch of assets. Short of actually arresting members of Congress how is any power of the Executive branch going to stop Congress from reading the votes? I'm saying that short of an armed military take over of Congress, ie coup d'etat, he doesn't have the power to stop Congress from electing Biden. He could do all kinds of things to sway public opinion, to sway the opinion of Congress. He could theoretically shock and awe the world. He could have done that long ago. How much longer do you think he's going to wait? Is he going to wait until after Jan 6, when Biden is very likely going to be elected without any unforeseen shock and awe of new evidence?
Let me ask you this too. Since the election, I've been shocked by the lack of any public involvement from the entire Executive branch of the government after the election fraud that we all knew was coming, including Trump as president. Trump as a candidate and his attorneys have been leading the fight. Can you think of anything anyone has done in the entire Executive branch? Not a single search warrant. Not a single arrest of even the lowest poll workers that locked out the poll watchers. I've seen absolutely zero action, and that's very shocking to me.
Trump can fire generals while he's president. He has until Jan 20, and how many more days will it before no one will listen to him? Theoretically that could happen, I just can't see it happening. I'm fully open to the impending shock and awe that's coming to the world.
On Jan 6, Congress is going to read the ballots and conduct the election of the President. Congress is the one that has the constitutional power to make that decision, and we know they will be making it with full knowledge of the fraud and treason. If Trump uses military power to stop, override, or ignore that election, it's just semantics whether it's a coup d'etat or something else. The Republic will be over at that point. It won't be Trump's fault, but it will definitely be over. The election was held in Congress, and Trump lost. It's going to be a matter of public opinion up to and including civil war to settle who is right or wrong or stronger and weaker because there won't be anything in the Constitution that can resolve it.
The alternative is that what they have been doing ultimately works. SCOTUS finally takes a case and rules. No court except SCOTUS matters. Either the dems win in the lower courts and continue with the mantra that Biden won, there's no evidence, or Trump wins and the dems appeal. Ultimately, either SCOTUS rules for Trump or we lose the judicial branch.
They have the current cases, and they have any cases they may file in the near term. If the EO and insurrection act are going to help. they're really running out of time fast. I don't think any of that is going to help. They've got to act, and then based on what they find, they file new cases or strengthen existing ones. They're virtually out of time on that. That's why I say it's either the current cases and current evidence, or we likely lose the Judicial.
Same thing with politicking the legislatures both state and federal. They've made their cases. They can pressure and politick with what they have. They could use the EO/insurrection act to shock and awe, but again, they're running out of time. If they're going to do it, what are they waiting on? Otherwise, they're facing flacid cowardly rino and deep state GOP politicians who are lead around by the nose of the fake news media complex, not to mention China. They aren't doing as well on that as anyone would admit. We saw that yesterday with McConnel. He's got to get either SCOTUS or the legislatures, and I don't really see how he's got time to put a lot on the table that isn't already there, EO or not.
If not SCOTUS or Congress, what he has left is martial law, coup d'etat, violence and riots in the streets, and civil war. He's not going to use that to seize power. Doing so is more likely to make the color revolution successful if anything. The violence will likely happen if SCOTUS or Congress inaugurate Trump for any reason. Either he wins Congress or SCOTUS or it's over. Ultimately he will concede.
Thinking about that now, that's where the EO and the insurrection act probably come into play. Not to cause the inauguration of Trump, but to secure the legitimate inauguration and quell the chaos, unrest, violence, riots that inevitably result before civil war, before the break down of his second term. I think they know they're going to lose, and the break down of his legitimate second term is what the real final goal is. The EO and insurrection act is probably what saves us in the end. That's why nothing has happened. All of this is the prelude to SCOTUS or Congress or both inaugurating Trump. That's when the fight may really begin.
Exactly. Someone challenged me when I said we better get up off our couches and make sure we primary all these fuckers. Only, yeah, we'll never have another legitimate election again. So, we're fucked. Hopefully Congress or SCOTUS will sort it out. Otherwise we're fucked no matter what and God only knows what happens, and I don't believe in God.
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You're saying Insurrection Act wouldn't work. That's why he's President and you aren't.
You're misunderstanding what I said. I said if Trump loses both Congress and SCOTUS, he's not going to do a military coup d'etat. I don't believe he'll use the military/insurrection act/EO to re-install himself as president. I predict that either he wins in the state legislatures, Congress, or SCOTUS, or it's over in less than 5 weeks. I just read an article about a meeting with Powell, Gulliani, Meadows, Flynn, Trump's personal lawyer, and the idea of using the military was soundly shot down. Another story just now on TGP: Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy and Army chief of staff Gen. James McConville released a statement Friday saying they will not participate in a martial law order following the stolen election.
Trump is in an increasingly small bubble in the Whitehouse. Either he gets the legislatures or the courts, or he's done. If anything, the insurrection act and EO come after Trump's legitimate inauguration. Short of legitimacy from the other two branches, he's going to need a civil war in DC starting on the 6th.
I understand you; I'm disagreeing with you. He can fire any general he wants, and he will fire and imprison or execute a LOT of them if he has to, because he has the loyalty of the troops. So this doesn't matter:
Your POV is incorrect. If Trump decides to take extraordinary measures, including the EO and the Insurrection Act and even up to martial law, and the militia,
it is not a coup d'etat and
if you think it is a coup, then you are either confused - or you are dirty , sowing FUD - Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.
TRUMP WON THE ELECTION WITH LEGAL VOTES. This is not a coup, Trump is defending the Constitution, and so will any of us who ever took the Oath - which you apparently never did. If you had, you would understand this point clearly.
He doesn't have to re-install himself as President because he was never lawfully removed. I don't care what article you read about the
as if Trump would listen to anyone telling him to stop fighting for the Republic and her Constitution. as if.
As if he would reveal his plans. He's using misdirection. He is a student of Sun Tzu. If there is a story that says Trump is giving up, that story is false. There's no quit in him. He is capable of facing facts. The fact is if we let the assholes get away with this, it is the last chance we will ever have for real elections. Trump knows this and has been planning for this for years.
Again, that's not the situation. If Trump needs to deal with an 'unlawful combination or conspiracy' according to the terms of the Insurrection Act, that's not a civil war - even if he mobilizes the militia or the guard and reserve - it's essentially a response to an invasion (by China) aided by traitors in government.
So with respect to China, Trump's actions would be resisting an invasion as CinC; with respect to the traitors, it's a criminal matter, and both can be dealt with using the broad latitude afforded the Chief Executive in his role as chief of Law Enforcement in the USA. There may well be fraud and corruption in the Legislative and Judicial branches of the Republic but they can be dealt with using the militia and the armed forces under the Insurrection Act. Lincoln set the precedent when he put a Supreme Court Justice in jail.
It all comes down to who is loyal to their oaths, how many they are. If you look at the size of the Trump rallies and the frustration level of all those people who were disenfranchised and impoverished this year by Chinese stooges, there is going to be hell to pay; who is going to complain?
China stooges Soros stooges. And a few people who went to Biden 'rallies'.
Kemp is going to perp walk at the head of a long line.
There is no civil war, structurally, in the political dynamics of the situation. If China did not exist, we would not be in this mess. The threat to the Republic comes from outside: China.
Trump destroying the attempt to steal the election and its perpetrators - is not a coup or a civil war.It's Trump as the rightful holder of the office upholding the oath of office.
Now, let me ask you this. I agree, theoretically, Trump could come in and arrest a bunch of people, including members of Congress. He could seize a bunch of assets. Short of actually arresting members of Congress how is any power of the Executive branch going to stop Congress from reading the votes? I'm saying that short of an armed military take over of Congress, ie coup d'etat, he doesn't have the power to stop Congress from electing Biden. He could do all kinds of things to sway public opinion, to sway the opinion of Congress. He could theoretically shock and awe the world. He could have done that long ago. How much longer do you think he's going to wait? Is he going to wait until after Jan 6, when Biden is very likely going to be elected without any unforeseen shock and awe of new evidence?
Let me ask you this too. Since the election, I've been shocked by the lack of any public involvement from the entire Executive branch of the government after the election fraud that we all knew was coming, including Trump as president. Trump as a candidate and his attorneys have been leading the fight. Can you think of anything anyone has done in the entire Executive branch? Not a single search warrant. Not a single arrest of even the lowest poll workers that locked out the poll watchers. I've seen absolutely zero action, and that's very shocking to me.
Trump can fire generals while he's president. He has until Jan 20, and how many more days will it before no one will listen to him? Theoretically that could happen, I just can't see it happening. I'm fully open to the impending shock and awe that's coming to the world.
On Jan 6, Congress is going to read the ballots and conduct the election of the President. Congress is the one that has the constitutional power to make that decision, and we know they will be making it with full knowledge of the fraud and treason. If Trump uses military power to stop, override, or ignore that election, it's just semantics whether it's a coup d'etat or something else. The Republic will be over at that point. It won't be Trump's fault, but it will definitely be over. The election was held in Congress, and Trump lost. It's going to be a matter of public opinion up to and including civil war to settle who is right or wrong or stronger and weaker because there won't be anything in the Constitution that can resolve it.