I understand you; I'm disagreeing with you. He can fire any general he wants, and he will fire and imprison or execute a LOT of them if he has to, because he has the loyalty of the troops. So this doesn't matter:
Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy and Army chief of staff Gen. James McConville released a statement Friday saying they will not participate in a martial law order following the stolen election.
Your POV is incorrect. If Trump decides to take extraordinary measures, including the EO and the Insurrection Act and even up to martial law, and the militia,
it is not a coup d'etat and
if you think it is a coup, then you are either confused - or you are dirty , sowing FUD - Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.
TRUMP WON THE ELECTION WITH LEGAL VOTES. This is not a coup, Trump is defending the Constitution, and so will any of us who ever took the Oath - which you apparently never did. If you had, you would understand this point clearly.
He doesn't have to re-install himself as President because he was never lawfully removed. I don't care what article you read about the
meeting with Powell, Gulliani, Meadows, Flynn, Trump's personal lawyer, and the idea of using the military was soundly shot down
as if Trump would listen to anyone telling him to stop fighting for the Republic and her Constitution. as if.
As if he would reveal his plans. He's using misdirection. He is a student of Sun Tzu. If there is a story that says Trump is giving up, that story is false. There's no quit in him. He is capable of facing facts. The fact is if we let the assholes get away with this, it is the last chance we will ever have for real elections. Trump knows this and has been planning for this for years.
Short of legitimacy from the other two branches, he's going to need a civil war in DC starting on the 6th.
Again, that's not the situation. If Trump needs to deal with an 'unlawful combination or conspiracy' according to the terms of the Insurrection Act, that's not a civil war - even if he mobilizes the militia or the guard and reserve - it's essentially a response to an invasion (by China) aided by traitors in government.
So with respect to China, Trump's actions would be resisting an invasion as CinC; with respect to the traitors, it's a criminal matter, and both can be dealt with using the broad latitude afforded the Chief Executive in his role as chief of Law Enforcement in the USA. There may well be fraud and corruption in the Legislative and Judicial branches of the Republic but they can be dealt with using the militia and the armed forces under the Insurrection Act. Lincoln set the precedent when he put a Supreme Court Justice in jail.
It all comes down to who is loyal to their oaths, how many they are. If you look at the size of the Trump rallies and the frustration level of all those people who were disenfranchised and impoverished this year by Chinese stooges, there is going to be hell to pay; who is going to complain?
China stooges Soros stooges.
And a few people who went to Biden 'rallies'.
Kemp is going to perp walk at the head of a long line.
There is no civil war, structurally, in the political dynamics of the situation. If China did not exist, we would not be in this mess. The threat to the Republic comes from outside: China.
Trump destroying the attempt to steal the election and its perpetrators - is not a coup or a civil war.It's Trump as the rightful holder of the office upholding the oath of office.
Now, let me ask you this. I agree, theoretically, Trump could come in and arrest a bunch of people, including members of Congress. He could seize a bunch of assets. Short of actually arresting members of Congress how is any power of the Executive branch going to stop Congress from reading the votes? I'm saying that short of an armed military take over of Congress, ie coup d'etat, he doesn't have the power to stop Congress from electing Biden. He could do all kinds of things to sway public opinion, to sway the opinion of Congress. He could theoretically shock and awe the world. He could have done that long ago. How much longer do you think he's going to wait? Is he going to wait until after Jan 6, when Biden is very likely going to be elected without any unforeseen shock and awe of new evidence?
Let me ask you this too. Since the election, I've been shocked by the lack of any public involvement from the entire Executive branch of the government after the election fraud that we all knew was coming, including Trump as president. Trump as a candidate and his attorneys have been leading the fight. Can you think of anything anyone has done in the entire Executive branch? Not a single search warrant. Not a single arrest of even the lowest poll workers that locked out the poll watchers. I've seen absolutely zero action, and that's very shocking to me.
I hope I'm not being naive but I fully expect Trump to follow Sun Tzu: "let your plans be dark, impenetrable as midnight, and when you fall, fall like lightning."
He's got proof of treason, and firing squads and hanging as DOJ policy, he has ACDU military and an enormous militia, right and law and the facts on his side, and he is a ruthless competitor and patriot who believes in revenge.
The distinction between a coup d'etat or a civil war on the one hand, and on the other hand, our situation (invasion by a foreign power supported by treason of US persons) is clear and germane. This is sedition, insurrection and invasion, pure and simple, and that makes the most enormous difference possible. It justifies the most violent response necessary, up to and including martial law and mass executions of traitorous enemy combatants.
It's not just a semantic difference. A duly elected President invoking the Insurrection Act in response to insurrection is, by definition, not a coup.
I think if the legislatures and courts refuse to fulfill their oath, a scorched earth on legislative and judicial traitors is perfectly justified, and Trump would be derelict to do anything less.
I get what you're saying, but Trump himself just tweeted that Martial Law=fake news. We can speculate, but I just don't see anything like that as realistic at this point, and every day that goes by Trump is losing power. That's just reality.
Trump is either going to get support from Congress or SCOTUS. Otherwise, Trump is conceding and leaving the White House, and Biden will be inaugurated. If Trump has got some global shock and awe up his sleeve, he better play that card quickly. Congress is sitting down to count votes on Jan 6.
I believe the plan is to challenge those votes in Congress, and then there will be debate. It will be a civil constitutional process, and I don't know what happens after that. Hopefully we'll get the challenge and meaningful debate. Maybe shock and awe fits into that at some point. I'd love to see it.
Trump himself just tweeted that Martial Law=fake news
then he has something else up his sleeve - massive proof of treason that can't be ignored by DOJ (now that Barr is gone) or he's going for the Insurrection Act powers for arrests.
martial law =/= Insurrection Act , true, but POTUS is still free to act using IA w/o ML powers needed
Trump can fire generals while he's president. He has until Jan 20, and how many more days will it before no one will listen to him? Theoretically that could happen, I just can't see it happening. I'm fully open to the impending shock and awe that's coming to the world.
On Jan 6, Congress is going to read the ballots and conduct the election of the President. Congress is the one that has the constitutional power to make that decision, and we know they will be making it with full knowledge of the fraud and treason. If Trump uses military power to stop, override, or ignore that election, it's just semantics whether it's a coup d'etat or something else. The Republic will be over at that point. It won't be Trump's fault, but it will definitely be over. The election was held in Congress, and Trump lost. It's going to be a matter of public opinion up to and including civil war to settle who is right or wrong or stronger and weaker because there won't be anything in the Constitution that can resolve it.
I understand you; I'm disagreeing with you. He can fire any general he wants, and he will fire and imprison or execute a LOT of them if he has to, because he has the loyalty of the troops. So this doesn't matter:
Your POV is incorrect. If Trump decides to take extraordinary measures, including the EO and the Insurrection Act and even up to martial law, and the militia,
it is not a coup d'etat and
if you think it is a coup, then you are either confused - or you are dirty , sowing FUD - Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.
TRUMP WON THE ELECTION WITH LEGAL VOTES. This is not a coup, Trump is defending the Constitution, and so will any of us who ever took the Oath - which you apparently never did. If you had, you would understand this point clearly.
He doesn't have to re-install himself as President because he was never lawfully removed. I don't care what article you read about the
as if Trump would listen to anyone telling him to stop fighting for the Republic and her Constitution. as if.
As if he would reveal his plans. He's using misdirection. He is a student of Sun Tzu. If there is a story that says Trump is giving up, that story is false. There's no quit in him. He is capable of facing facts. The fact is if we let the assholes get away with this, it is the last chance we will ever have for real elections. Trump knows this and has been planning for this for years.
Again, that's not the situation. If Trump needs to deal with an 'unlawful combination or conspiracy' according to the terms of the Insurrection Act, that's not a civil war - even if he mobilizes the militia or the guard and reserve - it's essentially a response to an invasion (by China) aided by traitors in government.
So with respect to China, Trump's actions would be resisting an invasion as CinC; with respect to the traitors, it's a criminal matter, and both can be dealt with using the broad latitude afforded the Chief Executive in his role as chief of Law Enforcement in the USA. There may well be fraud and corruption in the Legislative and Judicial branches of the Republic but they can be dealt with using the militia and the armed forces under the Insurrection Act. Lincoln set the precedent when he put a Supreme Court Justice in jail.
It all comes down to who is loyal to their oaths, how many they are. If you look at the size of the Trump rallies and the frustration level of all those people who were disenfranchised and impoverished this year by Chinese stooges, there is going to be hell to pay; who is going to complain?
China stooges Soros stooges. And a few people who went to Biden 'rallies'.
Kemp is going to perp walk at the head of a long line.
There is no civil war, structurally, in the political dynamics of the situation. If China did not exist, we would not be in this mess. The threat to the Republic comes from outside: China.
Trump destroying the attempt to steal the election and its perpetrators - is not a coup or a civil war.It's Trump as the rightful holder of the office upholding the oath of office.
Now, let me ask you this. I agree, theoretically, Trump could come in and arrest a bunch of people, including members of Congress. He could seize a bunch of assets. Short of actually arresting members of Congress how is any power of the Executive branch going to stop Congress from reading the votes? I'm saying that short of an armed military take over of Congress, ie coup d'etat, he doesn't have the power to stop Congress from electing Biden. He could do all kinds of things to sway public opinion, to sway the opinion of Congress. He could theoretically shock and awe the world. He could have done that long ago. How much longer do you think he's going to wait? Is he going to wait until after Jan 6, when Biden is very likely going to be elected without any unforeseen shock and awe of new evidence?
Let me ask you this too. Since the election, I've been shocked by the lack of any public involvement from the entire Executive branch of the government after the election fraud that we all knew was coming, including Trump as president. Trump as a candidate and his attorneys have been leading the fight. Can you think of anything anyone has done in the entire Executive branch? Not a single search warrant. Not a single arrest of even the lowest poll workers that locked out the poll watchers. I've seen absolutely zero action, and that's very shocking to me.
I hope I'm not being naive but I fully expect Trump to follow Sun Tzu: "let your plans be dark, impenetrable as midnight, and when you fall, fall like lightning."
He's got proof of treason, and firing squads and hanging as DOJ policy, he has ACDU military and an enormous militia, right and law and the facts on his side, and he is a ruthless competitor and patriot who believes in revenge.
The distinction between a coup d'etat or a civil war on the one hand, and on the other hand, our situation (invasion by a foreign power supported by treason of US persons) is clear and germane. This is sedition, insurrection and invasion, pure and simple, and that makes the most enormous difference possible. It justifies the most violent response necessary, up to and including martial law and mass executions of traitorous enemy combatants.
It's not just a semantic difference. A duly elected President invoking the Insurrection Act in response to insurrection is, by definition, not a coup.
I think if the legislatures and courts refuse to fulfill their oath, a scorched earth on legislative and judicial traitors is perfectly justified, and Trump would be derelict to do anything less.
I get what you're saying, but Trump himself just tweeted that Martial Law=fake news. We can speculate, but I just don't see anything like that as realistic at this point, and every day that goes by Trump is losing power. That's just reality.
Trump is either going to get support from Congress or SCOTUS. Otherwise, Trump is conceding and leaving the White House, and Biden will be inaugurated. If Trump has got some global shock and awe up his sleeve, he better play that card quickly. Congress is sitting down to count votes on Jan 6.
I believe the plan is to challenge those votes in Congress, and then there will be debate. It will be a civil constitutional process, and I don't know what happens after that. Hopefully we'll get the challenge and meaningful debate. Maybe shock and awe fits into that at some point. I'd love to see it.
if:
then he has something else up his sleeve - massive proof of treason that can't be ignored by DOJ (now that Barr is gone) or he's going for the Insurrection Act powers for arrests.
martial law =/= Insurrection Act , true, but POTUS is still free to act using IA w/o ML powers needed
Trump can fire generals while he's president. He has until Jan 20, and how many more days will it before no one will listen to him? Theoretically that could happen, I just can't see it happening. I'm fully open to the impending shock and awe that's coming to the world.
On Jan 6, Congress is going to read the ballots and conduct the election of the President. Congress is the one that has the constitutional power to make that decision, and we know they will be making it with full knowledge of the fraud and treason. If Trump uses military power to stop, override, or ignore that election, it's just semantics whether it's a coup d'etat or something else. The Republic will be over at that point. It won't be Trump's fault, but it will definitely be over. The election was held in Congress, and Trump lost. It's going to be a matter of public opinion up to and including civil war to settle who is right or wrong or stronger and weaker because there won't be anything in the Constitution that can resolve it.