I'm interested in a factual and realistic analysis on whether or not President Trump has the political capital to pardon Assange, and whether or not it's a wise idea. I'm looking for reasoning that is not based in emotion, please. I "feel" the same way as you do. I'm a parent, it's unconscionable that Julian has young children who--correct me if I'm wrong--have never even been able to meet him in person? One is a six-year-old?
Yep....not as much as I'd like to......but, still a fun guy to listen to from time to time.....listen mostly to the Salty Cracker and Sanity4Sweden.....I guess it might also have something to do with the different choice of toys on the shelves in the back ground
If we finally get courts to examine and confirm the massive fraud in the Dominion states, so much that the election results are either overturned, or hopelessly conflicted have to be thrown out, then pardoning Assange won't even make the front section of the paper.
Yeah. It isn't enough to barely earn a victory. You need to replace the disloyal element, and punish people. I am still amazed that so many people (not counting the fraudulent ones) actually voted for Biden, an awful candidate. Must be more of the curse of 2020.
Unfortunately, what really matters is whether or not Trump has the guts to call a massive Patriot rally, and then use it to stage a coup. Unfortunately, I don't think he has it in him.
And as an aside, I am also a bit tired on the excessive emphasis on "optics". The partisans don't care.
I honestly don't understand the Snowden h8 on this site...
This guy put his life on the line to share NSA abuses... I don't care if he doesn't like Trump he's a Saint as far as I'm concerned and he was way ahead of the curve....
Snowden is doing alright, honestly. He knew the gravity of the situation, what it meant, and he still had the balls to do it. He's got a pretty decent life in Russia.
Snowden has been dragged through years of illegal confinement (first in the embassy, now in British jails) based on some extremely flimsy readings of the law. Even though I don't agree with some of his methods of acquiring and releasing information, he is a journalist and should be protected as such.
I guess I admit, I don't know much about the relationship between Snowden and Trump. The interview he did a year ago, which I only saw part of, it didn't appear he had anything nice to say about Trump.
If Snowden could be trusted, could he be an asset for a reformed intelligence apparatus?
Also, the deep state hates him so much that even if Trump were to pardon him right now, I don't think that would matter much to Snowden unless he was convinced Trump was going to remain in power. I don't think a Trump pardon would protect him from the deep state and Harris.
It wouldn't change much for him in the short term.
Assange is different. He's not in the US and has no interest in coming to the US. Pardoning him relieves the international pressure, which has been the biggest thorn in his ass.
I don't believe acceptance is required, thought that seems to be the most recent word from the courts. The Constitution grants the pardon power to the President without check or limitation (other than that it can't be used to stop impeachment). My view is that no one, not even the person being pardoned, has any ability to diminish that power.
I think Trump creates political capital by pardoning Assange.
While that's not the reason he should pardon Trump, your thought is very likely correct, as it creates new & additional grassroots appreciation for Trump which could be politically useful for fighting the 2020 election steal, or for a 2024 White House run.
I think Trump creates political capital by pardoning Assange.
That is an interesting take, I hadn't looked at it that way. Thanks! Still hoping to hear from people who "know" but it's nice to have a positive perspective.
Do you have have factual evidence or reason to believe that Trump needs more political capital, that pardoning Assange would be bad optics, or that bad optics right now over this particular issue would hurt his second term?
I'm not trying to be snarky, your perception of the current status is just a complete 180 from mine and I'm trying to see where you're coming from.
No, I'm trying to get more information from people who understand the legal and political realities at play here and are able to separate them from fee-fees.
But why are you claiming this has anything to do with "fee-fees"? It makes no sense from a political, logical, or justice argument to NOT pardon Assange. I just assumed you must have a different perspective or you wouldn't even think otherwise.
I know some people were yelling he's a traitor who revealed our state secrets and must be punished, but most of them are Democrats and their arguments seem to be based on emotion, and they won't give Trump any political capital in the first place.
A lot of military guys don't want to pardon Snowden for sure, but the same arguments wouldn't apply to Assange.
Nah, so I admit I am more than just a little bit tipsy right now, but I'm slowing down to fix my typos so give me some patience.
I am just looking for anyone that understands any real consequences or costs incurred by delivering this pardon. I want to see Assange pardoned, and personally think he should have been pardoned in 2017. But he wasn't, and there's probably a reason for that. So the info I'm seeking would, in theory, go to that explanation.
One guy gave a pretty good response explaining how the leftists thinking Biden has won would not have a good reason to attack Trump for pardoning Assange, since they already "avenged" Hillary by voting him out.
I'm interested in a factual and realistic analysis on whether or not President Trump has the political capital to pardon Assange, and whether or not it's a wise idea. I'm looking for reasoning that is not based in emotion, please. I "feel" the same way as you do. I'm a parent, it's unconscionable that Julian has young children who--correct me if I'm wrong--have never even been able to meet him in person? One is a six-year-old?
Fuck "political capital" -- it is RIGHTEOUS.
Right!.....politics ruins everything
Seth Rich was murdered by DNC operatives!
If Assange wanted a pardon, why not reveal Rich was the informant and provide the proof. It would have changed everything for Trump.
Viva Frei viewer?
Yep....not as much as I'd like to......but, still a fun guy to listen to from time to time.....listen mostly to the Salty Cracker and Sanity4Sweden.....I guess it might also have something to do with the different choice of toys on the shelves in the back ground
This. How else do you hold an entity who is responsible for it's own oversight accountable without he power of pardon?
yes
I agree; nonetheless, a lot ELSE is at stake here. Timing and optics ARE important.
Unless a miracle happens 4 weeks are left. Assuming Trump gets back in, he can do whatever the fuck he wants -- no reelection.
Doesn't matter either way. If he gets re-elected he isn't going to run for office again...well unless 3 terms ;)
How the miracle takes place:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1333677245781651457.html
If we finally get courts to examine and confirm the massive fraud in the Dominion states, so much that the election results are either overturned, or hopelessly conflicted have to be thrown out, then pardoning Assange won't even make the front section of the paper.
Funny! Looks to me like the President is Donald J. Trump and the next relevant date is January 5th
Yeah. It isn't enough to barely earn a victory. You need to replace the disloyal element, and punish people. I am still amazed that so many people (not counting the fraudulent ones) actually voted for Biden, an awful candidate. Must be more of the curse of 2020.
Unfortunately, what really matters is whether or not Trump has the guts to call a massive Patriot rally, and then use it to stage a coup. Unfortunately, I don't think he has it in him.
And as an aside, I am also a bit tired on the excessive emphasis on "optics". The partisans don't care.
Fuck your optics!
MSM are going to lie anyway. They are ALWAYS going to make the optics "look bad" no matter what DJT does now. No matter what.
Do it. Make them own their treasonous Russia hoax bullshit all over again.
Valid concern. I think Trump creates political capital by pardoning Assange. I would also pardon Snowden.
I honestly don't understand the Snowden h8 on this site...
This guy put his life on the line to share NSA abuses... I don't care if he doesn't like Trump he's a Saint as far as I'm concerned and he was way ahead of the curve....
People are misinformed about what he did, how he did it and the effects of his actions.
Snowden doesn't want Trump to pardon him.
And Snowden hates Trump. He may have even said he would refuse a Trump pardon.
Snowden can stay in Russia. At least he isn't in jail and hasn't been stuck in a embassy for years.
Snowden is doing alright, honestly. He knew the gravity of the situation, what it meant, and he still had the balls to do it. He's got a pretty decent life in Russia.
Snowden has been dragged through years of illegal confinement (first in the embassy, now in British jails) based on some extremely flimsy readings of the law. Even though I don't agree with some of his methods of acquiring and releasing information, he is a journalist and should be protected as such.
I guess I admit, I don't know much about the relationship between Snowden and Trump. The interview he did a year ago, which I only saw part of, it didn't appear he had anything nice to say about Trump.
If Snowden could be trusted, could he be an asset for a reformed intelligence apparatus?
Also, the deep state hates him so much that even if Trump were to pardon him right now, I don't think that would matter much to Snowden unless he was convinced Trump was going to remain in power. I don't think a Trump pardon would protect him from the deep state and Harris.
It wouldn't change much for him in the short term.
Assange is different. He's not in the US and has no interest in coming to the US. Pardoning him relieves the international pressure, which has been the biggest thorn in his ass.
Snowden is a spook, fuck him.
I don't believe acceptance is required, thought that seems to be the most recent word from the courts. The Constitution grants the pardon power to the President without check or limitation (other than that it can't be used to stop impeachment). My view is that no one, not even the person being pardoned, has any ability to diminish that power.
While that's not the reason he should pardon Trump, your thought is very likely correct, as it creates new & additional grassroots appreciation for Trump which could be politically useful for fighting the 2020 election steal, or for a 2024 White House run.
That is an interesting take, I hadn't looked at it that way. Thanks! Still hoping to hear from people who "know" but it's nice to have a positive perspective.
The only people who would hate Assange are deep state agents and their low IQ followers. Think Bush supporters.
I agree with that, but when I consider that Romney and McConnell are part of our "senate majority" it does not comfort me
Do you have have factual evidence or reason to believe that Trump needs more political capital, that pardoning Assange would be bad optics, or that bad optics right now over this particular issue would hurt his second term?
I'm not trying to be snarky, your perception of the current status is just a complete 180 from mine and I'm trying to see where you're coming from.
It's simply the right thing to do. Fuck political capital.
Since when the hell did looking bad become more important than doing the right thing.? It's a mad world.
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No, I'm trying to get more information from people who understand the legal and political realities at play here and are able to separate them from fee-fees.
But why are you claiming this has anything to do with "fee-fees"? It makes no sense from a political, logical, or justice argument to NOT pardon Assange. I just assumed you must have a different perspective or you wouldn't even think otherwise.
I know some people were yelling he's a traitor who revealed our state secrets and must be punished, but most of them are Democrats and their arguments seem to be based on emotion, and they won't give Trump any political capital in the first place.
A lot of military guys don't want to pardon Snowden for sure, but the same arguments wouldn't apply to Assange.
Nah, so I admit I am more than just a little bit tipsy right now, but I'm slowing down to fix my typos so give me some patience.
I am just looking for anyone that understands any real consequences or costs incurred by delivering this pardon. I want to see Assange pardoned, and personally think he should have been pardoned in 2017. But he wasn't, and there's probably a reason for that. So the info I'm seeking would, in theory, go to that explanation.
One guy gave a pretty good response explaining how the leftists thinking Biden has won would not have a good reason to attack Trump for pardoning Assange, since they already "avenged" Hillary by voting him out.
GTFO of here with that bullshit!
Okay kid, feel free to keep telling me what to do, let's see where it gets you.
You can take your pseudointellectual bullshit and shove it up your ass.
LOL. Get mad while the adults talk politics.