Almost no debt and a good paying job. I just paid my degree off after 20 years. I wish I would have known better. Plus I can attest to the fact that you do not get the same feeling of accomplishment writing software as you do from blue collar work. My guess is this has contributed to the depression rates in the USA
I have 3 college degrees including a Masters . . . my Eldest Son is a Plumber and makes way more money than me, has better benefits, works better hour, and can actually FIX things, whereas I deal in theory . . .
JOIN THE SPARKY UNION RIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. Make it your first goal! Eventually you'll be making enough money to put yourself through school without taking debts.
The world needs both. The problem is that too many people go to college and there are too many useless degrees. STEM fields and classical liberal studies are about the only good studies right now. Only about 10% of US students should continue their education with college. The rest need a trade or some other type of further education that is not college.
A trade school came in when I was in highschool in 1999 to speak to our Freshman class. The remainder of school was spent brainwashing everyone that if you didn't get a college degree you weee gauranteed to be a failure.
I know what you mean. When I was going through school every time trade school came up, not that it came up often at all, it was always framed as being something that only losers and unskilled stupid people did because they couldn't make it in "real college". Super frustrating looking back on it, because the truth is the exact opposite. Trade schools are where you go to learn practical skills that have real world value, and the vast majority of people that get a trade skill go on to get an extremely good paying job with good benefits, and student debt is incredibly small by comparison to college. Master Electricians for example make ridiculous paychecks.
You can do lots of things without college now. There's tons of certification courses etc.
If you just need to know something without a certification for $35 bucks a month you can basically take any class you want on one of those skill sites. Those have instructors and tests and the whole nine yards. I learned HTML and CMS on them in a few days to set up a site for my business rather than pay someone.
You really don't need college except to work at a university, teach or be a doctor these days. Maybe some engineers? Even then you don't need to go to a major liberal school to get the degree.
Also, while admittedly not as good of an option as it used to be, the military offers a TON of education, training and benefits for anyone with a little bit of initiative. And you can get paid for it while you're doing it there.
You can go to college if you want to, but just be aware that any “social justice” themes in lessons are pure propaganda. Avoid taking any gender/race/political classes, ignore the noise, and focus on your major. That’s what I did. What’s important is that people have a choice- go to trade school, join the military, go to college, or just go straight to work. Nobody HAS to go to university for 4+ years straight out of high school, and take out loans they can never pay back. Do what’s right and what makes sense for you with what money you have.
No. These are jobs that will be replaced my robotics in the next 10-20 years or so.
High skilled jobs are what's going to be needed in the future, whether on this planet or as we slowly colonize.
You don't need a college degree to learn coding. I self-learned when I was a kid. That's a profession that's highly skilled and will be in even bigger demand in the future.
You are not a very smart person. You think too highly of yourself and your degree. Tell us your major, the University you attended, and the year you graduated.
No intelligent person would say the things you said in your post.
You’re a jackass. “I don’t think highly of myself” and “people here are less intelligent” are contradictory statements.Why don’t you try helping people understand that they, too, can get through a traditional degree program, when they didn’t have the same encouraging social structure and preparatory environment that you had? Instead of just denigrating people who haven’t achieved what you have. That’s what the fuckin liberals are doing.
They haven't even graduated. Their entire post history is trying to sob story for being poor and oppressed. 16 day old account and everything reads like a really bad troll from tumblr.
Alright. I’m not at all suggesting that the criteria should be lowered for anyone. I earned a one year certificate in electronics technology when I was 18. This was 1983. Most people did not go to college then. This certificate was basically from a trade school. It was geared towards a job on a production line troubleshooting circuit boards. There were a lot of those jobs at that time and people were comfortably raising families on that income.
Those jobs went away, overseas. I was fortunate enough to land a job with an engineering group as a technician. One of the engineers I was working with had earned his masters in Electrical Engineering while driving a taxi cab in New York City. Prior to meeting him I believed that there was no way I could make it through a traditional college program. It looked impossible.
I did not realize I could do it until I was working with people who had done it. It wasn’t at all because I was unintelligent. So it’s really offensive that you’re on here saying people are less intelligent. You’re just going to drive people away from what you think you’re helping them get to. And you’re making yourself look like a holier-than-thou ass.
You can help people by pointing out the benefits of the degree and helping them see a path that will let them achieve that, by describing how you overcame the obstacles that you had to overcome. Yes, you’ll have to work hard and be persistent, but with that, here’s how you can do it.
You know some of the most intelligent people I’ve met were farmers, and I’ve worked with Ph. D’s who had about as much intelligence as a box of rocks. These people here are not unintelligent. They just haven’t grown up in the same environment as you.
But, in the context of this post, maybe the trade school is the best route for some people. Somebody has to maintain and repair the robots. Right? And the HVAC systems and the plumbing. The traditional university is grossly expensive and the learning environment can be such that some people are not going to make it through. For me, I did all of my calculus classes in a community college, because the cost was less and it was a more amenable environment (not less rigor, these classes were academically better than at the big universities) for me to get passing grades in those classes. I don’t think I would have survived those classes at CU Boulder. And they would have kept my money.
So come on here and encourage people to better themselves instead of attacking and denigrating them. Tell them that, yes, a trade school might be the path for you, but you might be able to get through a program that would be even more rewarding, even though that challenge currently seems insurmountable, if this is what you want to encourage them to do.
You are only about 20 years behind the curve. Putting down trades is beyond stupid and arrogant. I guess that degree you will be paying off will somehow help if you need a house wired, plumbing, or anything built. There are so many degrees in the world these days that they are less valuable than a trade. You are young and your degree is about 100 times easier to earn than one from just 20 years ago. You will learn that you have been taught a philosophy that went out the window a while ago in the USA.
I received my CS degree in 1997. Luckily I have seen the better days. I wish you luck and life knowledge that you are lacking.
Nothing is free, someone is paying for it with their hard work. You just exposed yourself as being no better than all the other freeloading commies. Go away now and get triggered somewhere else. You are a disgrace to the USA. You are studying to try to do my job and you will fail.
But any education is good. If you’re improving your lot through a trade school because a traditional university feels like it’s not gonna work out for you or is not the place you wanna be, then do the trade school. By all means.
Almost no debt and a good paying job. I just paid my degree off after 20 years. I wish I would have known better. Plus I can attest to the fact that you do not get the same feeling of accomplishment writing software as you do from blue collar work. My guess is this has contributed to the depression rates in the USA
I have 3 college degrees including a Masters . . . my Eldest Son is a Plumber and makes way more money than me, has better benefits, works better hour, and can actually FIX things, whereas I deal in theory . . .
Hijacking to say this:
JOIN THE SPARKY UNION RIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. Make it your first goal! Eventually you'll be making enough money to put yourself through school without taking debts.
The world needs both. The problem is that too many people go to college and there are too many useless degrees. STEM fields and classical liberal studies are about the only good studies right now. Only about 10% of US students should continue their education with college. The rest need a trade or some other type of further education that is not college.
A trade school came in when I was in highschool in 1999 to speak to our Freshman class. The remainder of school was spent brainwashing everyone that if you didn't get a college degree you weee gauranteed to be a failure.
I know what you mean. When I was going through school every time trade school came up, not that it came up often at all, it was always framed as being something that only losers and unskilled stupid people did because they couldn't make it in "real college". Super frustrating looking back on it, because the truth is the exact opposite. Trade schools are where you go to learn practical skills that have real world value, and the vast majority of people that get a trade skill go on to get an extremely good paying job with good benefits, and student debt is incredibly small by comparison to college. Master Electricians for example make ridiculous paychecks.
yup
But that would require working for a living. Precisely what most kids are avoiding for as long as possible while in ‘college’.
kek ... too true
If I wanted to start a little nephew down the right path. What would be the first steps to get him started?
First step would be to see what trade he is most interested in,
then how feasible is it (location & travel)
find a union hall and get called up to a job while you do your schooling
keep the nose to the grindstone and good things happen (and you can make a grip of money doing side jobs the more you learn)
You can do lots of things without college now. There's tons of certification courses etc.
If you just need to know something without a certification for $35 bucks a month you can basically take any class you want on one of those skill sites. Those have instructors and tests and the whole nine yards. I learned HTML and CMS on them in a few days to set up a site for my business rather than pay someone.
You really don't need college except to work at a university, teach or be a doctor these days. Maybe some engineers? Even then you don't need to go to a major liberal school to get the degree.
Also, while admittedly not as good of an option as it used to be, the military offers a TON of education, training and benefits for anyone with a little bit of initiative. And you can get paid for it while you're doing it there.
I have a Masters in Education that I don't even use, because after being in a public school in CA, I HAD TO GET OUT!
Some of the dumbest people I have ever met were college educated
Amen
You can go to college if you want to, but just be aware that any “social justice” themes in lessons are pure propaganda. Avoid taking any gender/race/political classes, ignore the noise, and focus on your major. That’s what I did. What’s important is that people have a choice- go to trade school, join the military, go to college, or just go straight to work. Nobody HAS to go to university for 4+ years straight out of high school, and take out loans they can never pay back. Do what’s right and what makes sense for you with what money you have.
This is the way.
i believe so
That's dumb advice unless you want a trade. If that's what you want cool, but we need more people in STEM.
LMAO
You too are brainwashed
No. These are jobs that will be replaced my robotics in the next 10-20 years or so.
High skilled jobs are what's going to be needed in the future, whether on this planet or as we slowly colonize.
You don't need a college degree to learn coding. I self-learned when I was a kid. That's a profession that's highly skilled and will be in even bigger demand in the future.
A robot is never going to replace the need for a master electrician to do a physical inspection to certify a building or project.
Machines can make machines lol. They already do.
Agreed, one of the trade jobs in the image is already obsolete and considered art more than a job these days.
You are not a very smart person. You think too highly of yourself and your degree. Tell us your major, the University you attended, and the year you graduated.
No intelligent person would say the things you said in your post.
You’re a jackass. “I don’t think highly of myself” and “people here are less intelligent” are contradictory statements.Why don’t you try helping people understand that they, too, can get through a traditional degree program, when they didn’t have the same encouraging social structure and preparatory environment that you had? Instead of just denigrating people who haven’t achieved what you have. That’s what the fuckin liberals are doing.
They haven't even graduated. Their entire post history is trying to sob story for being poor and oppressed. 16 day old account and everything reads like a really bad troll from tumblr.
Well, hopefully somebody will benefit from that long response I just made.
Alright. I’m not at all suggesting that the criteria should be lowered for anyone. I earned a one year certificate in electronics technology when I was 18. This was 1983. Most people did not go to college then. This certificate was basically from a trade school. It was geared towards a job on a production line troubleshooting circuit boards. There were a lot of those jobs at that time and people were comfortably raising families on that income.
Those jobs went away, overseas. I was fortunate enough to land a job with an engineering group as a technician. One of the engineers I was working with had earned his masters in Electrical Engineering while driving a taxi cab in New York City. Prior to meeting him I believed that there was no way I could make it through a traditional college program. It looked impossible.
I did not realize I could do it until I was working with people who had done it. It wasn’t at all because I was unintelligent. So it’s really offensive that you’re on here saying people are less intelligent. You’re just going to drive people away from what you think you’re helping them get to. And you’re making yourself look like a holier-than-thou ass.
You can help people by pointing out the benefits of the degree and helping them see a path that will let them achieve that, by describing how you overcame the obstacles that you had to overcome. Yes, you’ll have to work hard and be persistent, but with that, here’s how you can do it.
You know some of the most intelligent people I’ve met were farmers, and I’ve worked with Ph. D’s who had about as much intelligence as a box of rocks. These people here are not unintelligent. They just haven’t grown up in the same environment as you.
But, in the context of this post, maybe the trade school is the best route for some people. Somebody has to maintain and repair the robots. Right? And the HVAC systems and the plumbing. The traditional university is grossly expensive and the learning environment can be such that some people are not going to make it through. For me, I did all of my calculus classes in a community college, because the cost was less and it was a more amenable environment (not less rigor, these classes were academically better than at the big universities) for me to get passing grades in those classes. I don’t think I would have survived those classes at CU Boulder. And they would have kept my money.
So come on here and encourage people to better themselves instead of attacking and denigrating them. Tell them that, yes, a trade school might be the path for you, but you might be able to get through a program that would be even more rewarding, even though that challenge currently seems insurmountable, if this is what you want to encourage them to do.
Good post and you are a lot more kind than I
You are only about 20 years behind the curve. Putting down trades is beyond stupid and arrogant. I guess that degree you will be paying off will somehow help if you need a house wired, plumbing, or anything built. There are so many degrees in the world these days that they are less valuable than a trade. You are young and your degree is about 100 times easier to earn than one from just 20 years ago. You will learn that you have been taught a philosophy that went out the window a while ago in the USA.
I received my CS degree in 1997. Luckily I have seen the better days. I wish you luck and life knowledge that you are lacking.
Nothing is free, someone is paying for it with their hard work. You just exposed yourself as being no better than all the other freeloading commies. Go away now and get triggered somewhere else. You are a disgrace to the USA. You are studying to try to do my job and you will fail.
Whoa, another Brave Keyboard Warrior
I graduated from a Jesuit university. No indoctrination. And I’m still not a Christian. Regis in Denver.
Sorry you went to a Jesuit University
Why is that?
But any education is good. If you’re improving your lot through a trade school because a traditional university feels like it’s not gonna work out for you or is not the place you wanna be, then do the trade school. By all means.