Here's a diagram for you illiterate pedes: https://media.thedonald.win/post/euP1Cjtk.png
I spend as much time as the next pede digging through New everyday and the ItS hApPeNiNg posts, but I think some of you are paying too much attention to the details, and not enough attention to the big picture.
Let's take a step back.
What are Trump's primary motives? What do we know about Trump? What are his options, and what would be the end result of each of those options, and how would those results fit Trump's motives?
Question numero uno: Trump's motives. We know Trump has an ego. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. Trump wants to be seen as a great man by everyone, but especially his supporters. Also, Trump loves America. He wants America to succeed, and to avoid suffering.
M1: Trump cares about being perceived as a good man.
M2: Trump cares about America and doesn't want to see it suffer.
I think these are some pretty reasonable assumptions.
Question numero dos: Trump's options. He has two options: Concede or Contest.
What happens if Trump concedes? (option 1)
--> DNC likely to continue dragging his name through the mud, calling him a dictator, a fascist, a racist, etc. (!M1)
--> His supporters (us) are furious and devastated. He promised to never stop fighting for us, yet he did. (!M1)
--> America suffers because the duly elected president was not elected. We essentially lose our right to vote. Our rights to freedom of speech, religion, to bear arms, and others, all stay under attack. (!M2)
What happens if Trump contests the election? (option 2)
--> DNC likely to continue dragging his name through the mud, calling him a dictator, a fascist, a racist, etc. In other words, no different from option 1. (!M1)
--> His supporters are thrilled and worship him for standing up for our rights. (M1)
What if war breaks out?
What happens if Trump wins the war?
--> His supporters worship him a hero among the likes of Abraham Lincoln and the founding fathers. (M1)
--> America does suffer (from the war) but not to the extent it suffers in option 1 (M2).
What happens if Trump loses the war?
--> He goes down in history as a villain, and our children and their children are taught to hate him. (!M1)
--> America greatly suffers, or falls (!M2).
Based on what we know about Trump, and based on what we can expect to happen in each scenario, THERE IS NO WAY THAT TRUMP WILL CONCEDE. HE STANDS TO GAIN NOTHING HE WANTS FROM CONCEDING AND EVERYTHING HE WANTS FROM CONTESTING. His motives can only be met if he contests the election. It's basic motive analysis.
Let's dig even deeper. Trump wants to be seen as a good person. If the only thing that makes sense is for him to contest the election, how would he go about it while preserving M1 and M2 as much as possible?
Well, to preserve M1, he would first exhaust every possible legal and peaceful option to contesting the election to avoid being categorized as a dictator or a fascist (not that the left won't claim this regardless, but remember he cares about what his supporters think of him). Furthermore, a peaceful transition of power and the intervention of our legal system to rightfully elect Trump is the scenario in which our country suffers the least. Trump has to try this option to fulfill both M1 and M2. But after all peaceful and legal options are exhausted, Trump commits to war.
Look at the recent actions of Trump's administration. Look at the changes he's made to the DoD and military intelligence community, and the defense board. Look at the positioning of our aircraft carriers. Pay attention to what has been happening: people dying under mysterious circumstances, "secure" networks being hacked, google going down, twitter hacked, spies being revealed, countries forming rapid peace deals (alliances?), government officials with Chinese ties being exposed, high levels of military air traffic all over the country, insane censorship and propaganda, a million troops called up from the reserves... does this sound like things are winding down to you? Does this sound like Trump is preparing for a peaceful transition of power? Does this sound like it's all going to be over in a month?
NO. SO STOP DOOMING YOU DUMB DOOMERS. GET READY TO FIGHT. GET READY TO SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT. GET READY TO GO TO WAR CUZ IT'S COMING.
MAGA
Here's a diagram for you illiterate pedes: https://media.thedonald.win/post/euP1Cjtk.png
I spend as much time as the next pede digging through New everyday and the ItS hApPeNiNg posts, but I think some of you are paying too much attention to the details, and not enough attention to the big picture.
Let's take a step back.
What are Trump's primary motives? What do we know about Trump? What are his options, and what would be the end result of each of those options, and how would those results fit Trump's motives?
Question numero uno: Trump's motives. We know Trump has an ego. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. Trump wants to be seen as a great man by everyone, but especially his supporters. Also, Trump loves America. He wants America to succeed, and to avoid suffering.
**M1:** Trump cares about being perceived as a good man.
**M2:** Trump cares about America and doesn't want to see it suffer.
I think these are some pretty reasonable assumptions.
Question numero dos: Trump's options. He has two options: *Concede* or *Contest*.
**What happens if Trump concedes? (option 1)**
--> DNC likely to continue dragging his name through the mud, calling him a dictator, a fascist, a racist, etc. **(!M1)**
--> His supporters (us) are furious and devastated. He promised to never stop fighting for us, yet he did. **(!M1)**
--> America suffers because the duly elected president was not elected. We essentially lose our right to vote. Our rights to freedom of speech, religion, to bear arms, and others, all stay under attack. **(!M2)**
**What happens if Trump contests the election? (option 2)**
--> DNC likely to continue dragging his name through the mud, calling him a dictator, a fascist, a racist, etc. In other words, no different from option 1. **(!M1)**
--> His supporters are thrilled and worship him for standing up for our rights. **(M1)**
What if war breaks out?
What happens if Trump wins the war?
--> His supporters worship him a hero among the likes of Abraham Lincoln and the founding fathers. **(M1)**
--> America does suffer (from the war) but not to the extent it suffers in option 1 **(M2)**.
What happens if Trump loses the war?
--> He goes down in history as a villain, and our children and their children are taught to hate him. **(!M1)**
--> America greatly suffers, or falls **(!M2).**
Based on what we know about Trump, and based on what we can expect to happen in each scenario, **THERE IS NO WAY THAT TRUMP WILL CONCEDE. HE STANDS TO GAIN NOTHING HE WANTS FROM CONCEDING AND EVERYTHING HE WANTS FROM CONTESTING.** His motives can only be met if he contests the election. It's basic motive analysis.
Let's dig even deeper. Trump wants to be seen as a good person. If the only thing that makes sense is for him to contest the election, how would he go about it while preserving M1 and M2 as much as possible?
Well, to preserve M1, he would first exhaust every possible legal and peaceful option to contesting the election to avoid being categorized as a dictator or a fascist (not that the left won't claim this regardless, but remember he cares about what his *supporters* think of him). Furthermore, a peaceful transition of power and the intervention of our legal system to rightfully elect Trump is the scenario in which our country suffers the least. Trump has to try this option to fulfill both M1 and M2. But after all peaceful and legal options are exhausted, Trump commits to war.
Look at the recent actions of Trump's administration. Look at the changes he's made to the DoD and military intelligence community, and the defense board. Look at the positioning of our aircraft carriers. Pay attention to what has been happening: people dying under mysterious circumstances, "secure" networks being hacked, google going down, twitter hacked, spies being revealed, countries forming rapid peace deals (alliances?), government officials with Chinese ties being exposed, high levels of military air traffic all over the country, insane censorship and propaganda, a million troops called up from the reserves... does this sound like things are winding down to you? Does this sound like Trump is preparing for a peaceful transition of power? Does this sound like it's all going to be over in a month?
**NO. SO STOP DOOMING YOU DUMB DOOMERS. GET READY TO FIGHT. GET READY TO SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT. GET READY TO GO TO WAR CUZ IT'S COMING.**
**MAGA**
This is pretty much how I feel, but you gotta admit it’s damn nerve wracking when you’re not completely sure and you keep seeing things that place doubts in your mind.
Anyway, wanted to say something about that war scenario. If he plays it well enough and shows a solid position of strength as a deterrent, we could get out of it with just a bunch of midnight arrests, immediately taking control of the media channels and everybody being assured that it’s done and over with.
No civil war, no hot war with China.
Just a thought.
Contesting the election and avoiding war actually meets Trump's motives exactly: he gets a good legacy and America doesn't suffer. However, I just don't see avoiding conflict being possible. I would like Trump to make a bunch of secret arrests and topple the DNC overnight too, but if we've learned anything this past month it's that we're up against competent opponents. I don't think Trump is about to reveal some grand plan where the entire thing was a set up, I think the conflict is going to be dark and dirty. This is real, we are fighting a real and competent enemy, and we are going to suffer losses if we choose to fight. Buckle up kiddos.
Yeah, you guys are absolutely correct. We can hope for the best based on what I posted above, but we need to prepare ourselves for the worst.
Trump is a business man first and foremost, not the dictator type (however justified that is). I don't think he wants to get his hands as dirty as we want him to.
I don't think he wants war or to get his hands dirty, but I think he's willing to in order to get what he really wants: a strong America and a good legacy.
I hope so but by his attitude lately I'm not so sure he's willing to go down that path.
A quick decisive strike can end "the war" in one night by rounding up the domestic enemies and dealing blows to foreign enemies abroad then afterwards stating stay out of our country or its total war!
That would work if this were a video game, true.
Well i wasnt saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed(to quote a line from a great movie) but our boys are the best in the world.
Seriously i just don't think the domestic threat is that great if we round up the right people and that could be done in short order. Even though that would mean several thousand people the top 100 would be a devastating blow to the deep state.
the foreign entities are another story but i seriously doubt any of them want an actual shooting war with us. Our military is too strong thats why China is doing this by subversion.
True, no doubt we're the badasses on this planet but we'd need to get the military to agree to a coup (however justified) and that seems unlikely unfortunately.
It wouldn't be a coup. They would be defending America from a domestic enemy. There is no confidence in this election outside of MSM media and politicians.
Well over 70 million votes and a recent poll reflecting 92% of republicans believe the election stolen. For a poll to reflect those kind of numbers i think shows the people believe treason or at sedition has occurred.
Trump is still commander in chief. To disobey his command over a matter of national security would be a coup by the military. In any event i seriously doubt Trump doesn't have loyal groups in the military he could deploy to round up deep state criminals.
What part of his attitude implies he isn’t?
The fact that he hasn't even hinted at the EO, Insurrection Act, or Martial Law even as each day more and more possible doors to victory are closed. Also the fact that he's giving props to people who don't believe he's going to win. It feels like he's setting up for something post-presidency more than making a last stand here and now.
I'd disagree, especially with the recent 'line of succession' thing with the pentagon. That indicates he's ready to continue even if he loses people.
Hey just wondering about the troops being called up...where did you hear that?
But on the other hand how serious do you think Trump takes the oath he took to defend the Constitution?
Pretty seriously but as evidenced by the last few weeks, the constitution is apparently very open to interpretation.
That may be, but I think he wants this country from falling under communist rule even less
I'm saving OP's post for those bad days. Trump fights for us. We can fight for him.
Please ridicule me if I end up being wrong, it's how I learn best.
I think the wild card here is whether or not Trump believes the only way to save his families future is to invoke the insurrection act. He is way to smart to "cut a deal" and actually think these dogs will honor it. I believe Mr. Trump only has a future for himself and his family if he wins out. I think he is a very smart man and knows this.
Big club. We aren't in it.
The election was a sting operation, aimed to allow the darkside to use every trick that they posess to expose themselves.
We are at the point in the plan where the CIA is being destroyed,
Solarwinds was already identified by Snowden as a CIA tool. Dominion and Smartmatic are other elements.
Look at the list of solarwinds' "customers"
Plausible 👍.
Option 3: He is compromised or was put in as controlled opposition, not really working for us but satiating our desire for freedom
That would be the worst controlled opposition play since the dawn of time.
A shooting war COULD be a very good thing for the US.
Last time we did that we abolished slavery.
I think the only fatal flaw was Lincoln pardoning practically everyone.
Honestly, I don’t think anything other than little skirmishes in downtown areas, cleaning up rioters in liberal areas. If their handlers are taken down they are done. Lost little sheep that don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground will do little more than cry in their vagina hats. Once the move is made we all need to capture a fraction of Trumps big dick energy and tell them “if they don’t like what is happening.....do something”. Then laugh in their faces, fuck the commie scum.
YoI I didn’t even mention the legal hell they will put him and his family through once he leaves office.
It's wrong to look at this as "Trump wants to be seen as..."
That's how people on the left wing operate. Trump might have to protect himself from those constantly trying to make him look bad but that's very different to Trump going out of his way to look good. If Trump was obsessed with how things like look all the time to the extreme then he wouldn't have done things that make him look the villain in the eyes of "polite" society such as being open and honest about cracking down on mass illegal immigration. Trump cares about what's actually good.
I can tell you what happens if Trump concedes. They will do everything to try to put him through the Nuremberg trials and hang him. He may leave for another country. They will basically Assange or Osama Bin Laden him in that scenario. They will go after his entire family as well. Friends, associates, basically everyone.
At the same time they will be going after house members and senate members to try to oust them and abuse every ounce of authority available to them to one way or another effect a super majority.
At the same time they will pass bill after bill criminalising the opposition and advantaging themselves until they are guaranteed dominance in elections.
The ultimate ends will be effective dissolution of things such as the constitution. Many people will still believe they're free and backed by rights but the moment they step out of line and go off the reservation they'll find some law or another stopping them.
The immediate battleground will be the internet. What twitter is doing voluntarily now will be mandated in law, including identification schemes similar to in South Korea and with speech regulations online matching the likes of China, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. You'll start to see things like needing a license to operate websites or to disseminate information to more than a hundred people.
Many people are oblivious to the fact our internet is already under heavy attack from regimes that restrict speech on their internet. Ours is completely open to attack from foreign actors by comparison.
The Democrats will launch an all out war against Democracy saying they need to saving Democracy by making it impossible for someone like Trump to ever be elected ever again. There will be no limit as to how far they can take that. It'll reach the point where people who even look like Trump in the slightest will not be able to run in an election. They will also move to impose a system where choosing the president is no longer in effect a direct democracy.
The eventual end game wont be entirely specific. For example, it might not eliminate the Republican party, at least in the sense of an active political party of that name. The end game will be to legislate their way into having absolute power. Criminalise all those who oppose. They will exert their will for petty vendettas or wipe things out for fun but exactly what they will spare and what not is entirely random.
That in itself will cause problems as they must still share it among themselves. The problem is the accumulation of absolute power never stops, they wont all be in agreement. They'll be doing the same to themselves if not all of one mind once they have effectively a one party system or absolute power without being bound by for example the constitution and you can never truly have all people of one mind. It will boil down to that there can only be one.
I agree that most of that could happen if Trump concedes, which is why I included "America Suffers" as a result of that option. Trump knows this is possible, and one of his driving (and probably his primary) motivations is to prevent this. That being said, I think the way his supporters would treat him if he concedes does impact him. He really enjoys his rallies and his supporters: I think the thought of them (us) being disappointed, angry, and hurt if he concedes will have a significant impact on his final decision.
This post as dumb as shit. Nobody thought Trump was conceding. He is going to win.
What does war look like in this scenario?
I've heard some in the military who claim to be hearing that something is about to go down saying they don't need the average civilian's help, and that going out with guns trying to help would make things harder on them doing their job, i.e. harder to differentiate who's the good guys and the bad guys.
If you go about your life and obey the laws, you're on the right side, if you're out there agitating and causing trouble, burning, looting, rioting, you're Antifa and so don't be get mixed into that latter category.
I think if you have real skills and assets to offer, then yeah you may be of some use on a case by case basis, but don't lose your head and go out and join the war, they likely need law abiding people to carry on like normal and leave a clear line of sight to take out the black clad terrorists.
One idea I have had though was providing just coms or intel; being the eyes of the White Hats. If we had a site like this one but specifically for reporting the deeds of the terrorists, low level reports or first hand accounts, like "hey, I'm seeing suddenly a lot of Uhauls around my block with scrawny greenhairs driving them" or "in my company there's suddenly a bunch of Chinese nationals hired" etc. it could be of some use.
what low testosterone faggots believe that Trump will concede? he said he'll fight, then he'll fight.
it's not that difficult