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"Trump insane, no evidence of fraud, etc, etc, see even the republicans know, it just the far right white nationalist extremists that are attempting a coup"
Fuck it. We don't care and the smart libs who do will side with him for seeking to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump could cure Covid with magic and ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and so many more would be calling it a bad thing and a Russian conspiracy. The media is crumbling.
most people don't know their REPUB voted for censorship on social media. A VETO would force it into the news and guess what, the Rs will be forced to cave to the voters.
No evidence of fraud? You can't be serious! Joe Biden admitted that he & his criminal syndicate democrat party pulled off the biggest election fraud in US History! Yes, he said this.
Are you still afraid of the liberal narrative? You think the President should cuck like Romney/Bush/McCain etc? If anything having the GOP expose themselves as the same warmongering party of McCain/Bush who won't do anything about Big Tech censorship is a good thing. The GOP is not our friends.
I think it would benefit him. If the swamp rat rinos turn on him in this particular case, it will show their constituents they are exactly what they are, swamp rats.
Do you think he will extend to them an "offer they can't refuse" or just roll them all up? I am hoping for the latter as they will all continue their subterfuge if they are on the streets.
My personal belief is pedos have no way out and run of the mill dirty politicians can either work with Trump and get a pass or they'll be dealt with legally. So many are compromised he can't hang them all, unfortunately. Pretty sure Mitch was dealing more than cocaine and his military tribunal awaits.
Mitch is a shrewd navigator of the political landscape but you don’t last that long in DC without becoming a Swamp Creature. Or at least some of the swamp stink rubbing off. As much as his betrayal of GEOTUS sucks, at least he exposed himself for what he is. A backstabbing traitor to MAGA.
Trump appointed those swamp critters! Both of his AG’s ended up being swamp critters, and all 3 of his SCOTUS picks found it beneath them to do the right thing with Texas’ lawsuit. They’re swamp rats too. Think what you may of this post, but it’s true. Trump nominates and appoints swamp rats.
Because they're clearly capitulating to Trump now, with all the outspoken support from the Republicans that we've been hearing in support of Trump's claim to the Presidency lately, right?
They are outing themselves, revealing the depth of the swamp. Trump wants us mad at them before he takes them down. Why would Mitch reveal his hand now? He has to.
He just needs to wait a bit before vetoing, then they'll have to start all over again. Also the House passed it before he made it controversial, so they might not pass it again.
Well the senate has not recessed his entire presidency. Mcconnel did that so Trump could make no recess appointments. First time in history a president has not been able to make a single recess appointment. This was mcconnel and the traitorous GOP that kept Trump from being able to at least temporarily install someone that was not a political hack already on theuniparty ccp team.
No. That started in 2013 when Harry Reid cockblicked Obama from recess appointments. Obama filled the NTSB board of directors with recess appointments and the dem senators did not like that at all so they started it with Obama, not Trump
The Senate NEVER goes on recess, not for the last 4 years, because that would have allowed Trump to make recess appointments. Mitch was careful to never allow Trump to do that. Such a team player, that Mitch.
No. That started in 2013 when Harry Reid cockblocked Obama from recess appointments. Obama filled the NTSB board of directors with recess appointments and the dem senators did not like that at all so they started it with Obama, not Trump
The veto will be overridden with laughable majorities. Passed the senate with like a 87-13 vote and passed the house 375-60. Fucking laughable how corrupt congress is.
If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a Law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a Law.
Congress hasn't adjourned in a few years to avoid issues with President appointments avoiding their inspection. They recess instead. The leadership of both parties is in D.C. to try to work out compromises on funding bills that have to pass.
If Trump vetoes, Congresscritters would have to return to Washington to vote on the override but we're also close to the January 5 date when this congress is over and the next one starts the next day.
Get on the phones for what? Have a fun conversation on the phone with them in a merry go round of happiness? Either said politician is going to support President Trump or not at this point.
they may have a veto-proof original vote, but if he veto's it, then they have to override him - showing their disloyalty. He needs to call their bluff.
Say whatever you want about both men (I personally have a sour taste of Beer Man after Texas) but you have to admit “you people are insane when you have power and I pray to God you people never get in power again” was pretty a bad ass moment.
I refuse to believe someone who is capable of reasoning themselves into such a mindset to write a speech like that, would not also be 100% on board with MAGA/Democrats-are-Evil. For that reason, I will entertain the possibility that he’s on Team Trump, has been since at least the K. Hearing. He may be serving some kind of purpose, in his “traitorous” actions and anti-Trump commentary. The explanation for how this benefits Trump may not be obvious yet, because deceiving the Dems about it is important.
The only alternative is that he doesn’t believe what he said in that moment, is an incredible actor, and is a full-ass robotic career politician who doesn’t have ethics/morals as we know it, and will say or do anything to accomplish their goals (presumably weird and sick)
I don't trust Graham, but I can't find any evidence that he said to concede. I looked up "Lindsey Graham concede," and all I found was an interview where he's saying Trump shouldn't concede.
Even when Mitch cucked the other day, it looks like all Lindsey said Trump has a very narrow path to victory but that we should let those legal challenges play out. So he's being a bit of a doomfag, but it doesn't look like he's completely written off Trump yet.
Graham's an opportunist, he's hedging his bets. Rather like Kamala how she still hasn't resigned her senate seat yet just in case she doesn't actually get to be VP, no wonder they fist-bumped as they're cut from similar cloth.
I'll never forget his disgusting groveling on Hannity, before the election, begging us with damn near close to tears streaming down his face, for money so he didn't get voted out.
Graham worried about destroying conservatism while he fist bumps kameltoe over her "win." Jeez. Gimme a time machine and take me back to the Kavanaught witch trial, that Lindsey Graham was a beast.
Kavanaugh accusations were false flags. We all know now that not everyone trump appoints is not his friend. They knew RBG was not long for this world so they influence trump to pick someone who will stab his back given the opportunity. They then slander him with obviously false accusations and watch with glee as trump supporters flock to kavanaughs defense. They knew we would protect anyone who they criticize so he was guaranteed a scotus slot. Why do you think nothing happened to blasy ford after she lied repeatedly?
Idk where you live so i couldnt really help you there but if you live in a place where government officials are elected then you need to start campaigning. Do some research on how to get started. Freedom isnt going to randomly land in your lap. This is something we have to constantly fight for.
Don't terminate section 230, just fucking enforce it. The only reason social media is allowed to do their bullshit is because nobody is enforcing it. They're all in violation of it.
Because they own the politicians, courts and agencies that would enforce it.
That's what makes Trump so different. He already had more money than God, he can't be bought, he was able to do what he thought was good for our country without the influence of corporate money
...which is the exact reason the establishment Republicans plopped those knives in his back so quickly, he was costing them money.
Yeah, but it could use some revision to make it more full-proof so that censorship like this never happens again. It's clear that trying to enforce it in its current state isn't working.
I think terminating it is fine. You just give people the option of opting out of the editorializing done by the mods. I.e. all the stuff the mods remove would not be removed but you could make it invisible to your user experience by "opting in" to the curation decisions made by the current mod team members. Same end result but puts the power back in the users.
The result of that would be that TD would be liable for anything users post and would need to pre-screen anything to ensure that it is not risky prior to publishing it.
I dunno what happened to the "public square" argument? Can't we just say that we will free a platform from liability if they don't infringe on people's free speech? I guess the post you link is saying that this would be like another attempt to enforce neutrality but it seems different than neutrality to me. Basically a "platform" would not be liable for things people post but people could sue them for infinging on free speech or something if what they posted was not illegal.
Re-interpreting 230 to require free-speech would also make TD and other advocacy sites impossible. For example, TD infringes upon the expression of Biden supporters, trolls, and people who want to put content on TD that makes TD look bad.
It would not mean that. Removing 230 would harm the small sites more than the huge ones. The huge ones would cement their dominance by making the barriers to entry higher.
Section 230 is what protects the website from the time when the illegal/defamatory content is posted to when it is removed. It is what gives the website operator a reasonable amount of time to police the user-generated content.
Without Section 230, the millisecond illegal or defamatory content hits your servers and starts being shared by your website to other people, you are legally responsible for it.
CP is criminal mainly. Eliminating 230 increases civil liability -- lawsuits. Anything that could be brought to court would be a risk. If it could be claimed to be defamatory, libelous, infringe copyright, identity theft...
Waiting for a "happening" that's not going to happen is going to disappoint our side. And that's the problem. Conservatives are fine being disappointed, if they can go back to polishing their guns and screaming at the TV. The opponent believes they have the right to rule. They believe they have the moral imprimatur. And they do because we fail to resist them. We meme. We yell. We call representatives (who do nothing). We write letters (that are trashed). I know because I do it daily. I've run campaigns. I've written hundreds of emails and letters, to no avail. Until we act as the opponent does--unabashedly, unwaveringly--we will keep losing. The time is now, Mr. President. No more tweets. No more tiks. No more toks. You have 33 days, or it's over.
We know this well in CA. Who we "vote" for is predetermined. This is not good for our Republic because it creates distrust in our institutions, which leads to authoritarian, conservative strongmen--as history repeats itself.
I would like to suggest that these figures we bemoan, and may have their own private faults, are more the responses that nature produces to corrupt systems, than the actual corrupters, like they are depicted. In other words, maybe CA could also use a conservative strongman, although hopefully a humane one.
This is the problem. You guys think someone else should do it for you. Did the founding fathers wait for someone in the British government start the rebellion for them? Fuck no they took it upon themselves. Everyone on this site is a larp and doesn’t have what it takes to use the 2nd amendment.
Acting alone is idiotic and without direction. We know this from history and all the times lone wolves have attempted to act against the State. Our Founding Fathers were quite smart. They organized, discussed, and then acted on a single unifying idea. Your picture of how the Revolution started is not accurate. It was not a bunch of aimless farmers who decided to rebel. In fact, they sent specific demands to their oppressors and did so on a specific timetable.
They were calculating. They were cautious. But most importantly, they were organized under a directive from centralized leadership. To say otherwise, is to be ignorant of our history.
Most crazy thing the congress was going to let the president declare wars and move troops anywhere in the world EXCEPT to bring them HOME. Which would require congress approval which would then be denied.
Would he be doing this if he was gonna leave office next month? I mean, he knows it'd come right back if he left, so I don't see how he'd bother doing this if he was gonna leave.
Sounds like he has no plans to leave. He really can't afford to, knowing his 5 years of trying to put America first would be in vein.
WE WILL NEVER FORGET THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO DIDN'T FIGHT FOR AMERICA, NO MATTER WHAT POLITICAL PARTY THEY ARE ON, THEY WILL FOREVER BE COMMUNIST CUCKS.
The veto will be overridden with laughable majorities. Passed the senate with like a 87-13 vote and passed the house 375-60. Fucking laughable how corrupt congress is.
Delete your Twitter account and invoke the insurrection act already! Here’s the indisputable facts: You’ve appointed 2 swamp rat AG’s and 3 SCOTUS judges that ALL betrayed America. If you truly love America, it’s time to start treating everyone around you like an enemy. You clearly don’t have the best judgement when it comes to choosing who would actually would die for this country before caving to the left’s threats. It’s time to step up, or step down and give the keys to the globalists.
There are hundreds of thousands of conservatives waiting. They are anxious even. All he needs to do is make the Call. Do it now, Mr. President. You're the only one who can.
Getting rid of Section 230 is a HUGE mistake. We need to reform Section 230 so that Free Speech is protected and when platforms decide to moderate speech then they can be sued just like a publisher.
Without Section 230 all the .win sites could be sued if a leftist posted something libelous or uploaded copyrighted material.
Unfortunately Trump is dead wrong on 230. It needs to be given teeth. Not revoked. Big tech would love it to be revoked. Sites like this, Parler, Bitchute, et al can't possibly survive no 230 protections.
It sounds a little communist to me to wear your mask so other people don’t get hurt! If someone scared of getting Covid the plan Demic then they need to stay home and order everything online!
This is good, I'm military and I support this veto. The senate won't get off their asses to make the hard change to Section 230 that is needed without a forcing function (TRUMP is that). There is good analysis that 230 should not be completely terminated, but instead receive significant changes.
Okay, do SOMETHING, not NOTHING.
Veto smackdown
Trump knows the dirt on all the swamp critters. They'll bow.
Which is?
"Trump insane, no evidence of fraud, etc, etc, see even the republicans know, it just the far right white nationalist extremists that are attempting a coup"
Fuck it. We don't care and the smart libs who do will side with him for seeking to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump could cure Covid with magic and ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and so many more would be calling it a bad thing and a Russian conspiracy. The media is crumbling.
No such thing.
Once the prosecutions for CARES Act fraud begin, COVID19 will vanish like a thief in the night.
The "media" needs to be BURNING!!!
Not crumbling fast enough for my tastes.
most people don't know their REPUB voted for censorship on social media. A VETO would force it into the news and guess what, the Rs will be forced to cave to the voters.
No evidence of fraud? You can't be serious! Joe Biden admitted that he & his criminal syndicate democrat party pulled off the biggest election fraud in US History! Yes, he said this.
Uh, Oh Gawd!! :)
“All your base are belong to us”
Or so they say...
WHAT YOU SAY
SOMEONE SET UP US THE BOMB?
Treason.
Seems like that's the DNC's newest platform: treason.
Welcome to our new DNC platform !
[ same as the old platform ]
Are you still afraid of the liberal narrative? You think the President should cuck like Romney/Bush/McCain etc? If anything having the GOP expose themselves as the same warmongering party of McCain/Bush who won't do anything about Big Tech censorship is a good thing. The GOP is not our friends.
Truth. There are sadly a lot of shills on here who think just because a politician has an R by they’re name that they’re one of the good guys.
agreed! this is not about the liberal narrative. It is about exposing the GOP for who they are.
He should have vetoed other bills like this before
Fuck you, that's all they say
I think it would benefit him. If the swamp rat rinos turn on him in this particular case, it will show their constituents they are exactly what they are, swamp rats.
Ahh good point. Easy way to flush out whether he has a chance on Jan 6. If he gets support, he has a chance. If he doesn’t, no need to wait for Jan 6.
That anger and phone calls really got those GOP state legislatures to help us out, didn't it?
I can't believe Defanging the CIA didn't get more press, that was huuuge. Where's the director btw?
Paralyzed in the hospital in Frankfurt, Germany. She took a bullet through the spine after she single-handedly brought down 5 of our boys.
now, that's a new detailed scenario about the injury.
No it wont. It will actually help him.
Do you think he will extend to them an "offer they can't refuse" or just roll them all up? I am hoping for the latter as they will all continue their subterfuge if they are on the streets.
My personal belief is pedos have no way out and run of the mill dirty politicians can either work with Trump and get a pass or they'll be dealt with legally. So many are compromised he can't hang them all, unfortunately. Pretty sure Mitch was dealing more than cocaine and his military tribunal awaits.
Mitch is a shrewd navigator of the political landscape but you don’t last that long in DC without becoming a Swamp Creature. Or at least some of the swamp stink rubbing off. As much as his betrayal of GEOTUS sucks, at least he exposed himself for what he is. A backstabbing traitor to MAGA.
Hang them all I say Gitmo- Military Tribunal- hang by the neck till dead
Can't say I disagree.
Trump appointed those swamp critters! Both of his AG’s ended up being swamp critters, and all 3 of his SCOTUS picks found it beneath them to do the right thing with Texas’ lawsuit. They’re swamp rats too. Think what you may of this post, but it’s true. Trump nominates and appoints swamp rats.
Do you think they know there are hundreds of thousands ready to go ape ?
Because they're clearly capitulating to Trump now, with all the outspoken support from the Republicans that we've been hearing in support of Trump's claim to the Presidency lately, right?
They are outing themselves, revealing the depth of the swamp. Trump wants us mad at them before he takes them down. Why would Mitch reveal his hand now? He has to.
He just needs to wait a bit before vetoing, then they'll have to start all over again. Also the House passed it before he made it controversial, so they might not pass it again.
It’s called a pigeonhole veto I believe.
Pocket veto.
Yeah. He just shoves the bill in his "pocket" and doesn't sign it into law.
Only because they are about to go on break.
Well the senate has not recessed his entire presidency. Mcconnel did that so Trump could make no recess appointments. First time in history a president has not been able to make a single recess appointment. This was mcconnel and the traitorous GOP that kept Trump from being able to at least temporarily install someone that was not a political hack already on theuniparty ccp team.
Such a joke. Imagine if he had his guys appointed from day 1, and didn't have to put up with any of this bullshit.
You know that good feeling you get when you imagine the 50s with some upbeat jazz? Probably like that, 24/7.
Fuck that chi-com cuck.
No. That started in 2013 when Harry Reid cockblicked Obama from recess appointments. Obama filled the NTSB board of directors with recess appointments and the dem senators did not like that at all so they started it with Obama, not Trump
The Senate NEVER goes on recess, not for the last 4 years, because that would have allowed Trump to make recess appointments. Mitch was careful to never allow Trump to do that. Such a team player, that Mitch.
No. That started in 2013 when Harry Reid cockblocked Obama from recess appointments. Obama filled the NTSB board of directors with recess appointments and the dem senators did not like that at all so they started it with Obama, not Trump
The veto will be overridden with laughable majorities. Passed the senate with like a 87-13 vote and passed the house 375-60. Fucking laughable how corrupt congress is.
Maybe a pocket veto? (or something like it)
A1 S7 US Constitution.
Congress hasn't adjourned in a few years to avoid issues with President appointments avoiding their inspection. They recess instead. The leadership of both parties is in D.C. to try to work out compromises on funding bills that have to pass.
If Trump vetoes, Congresscritters would have to return to Washington to vote on the override but we're also close to the January 5 date when this congress is over and the next one starts the next day.
Good to know.
So we have new senators and representatives on Jan 6?
1/2 to pass, 2/3 to overturn veto
That means WE have to convince them to change their minds. Get on the phones, PATRIOTS.
Get on the phones for what? Have a fun conversation on the phone with them in a merry go round of happiness? Either said politician is going to support President Trump or not at this point.
they may have a veto-proof original vote, but if he veto's it, then they have to override him - showing their disloyalty. He needs to call their bluff.
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Meh, NDAA will pass no matter what. We have to cleanse the GOP going forward.
People here are fucking retarded
WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!
But Lindsey Graham cucked out and told Trump to concede.
Yeah, for about 10 solid minutes during the Kavanaugh hearing.
That's it.
Say whatever you want about both men (I personally have a sour taste of Beer Man after Texas) but you have to admit “you people are insane when you have power and I pray to God you people never get in power again” was pretty a bad ass moment.
I refuse to believe someone who is capable of reasoning themselves into such a mindset to write a speech like that, would not also be 100% on board with MAGA/Democrats-are-Evil. For that reason, I will entertain the possibility that he’s on Team Trump, has been since at least the K. Hearing. He may be serving some kind of purpose, in his “traitorous” actions and anti-Trump commentary. The explanation for how this benefits Trump may not be obvious yet, because deceiving the Dems about it is important.
The only alternative is that he doesn’t believe what he said in that moment, is an incredible actor, and is a full-ass robotic career politician who doesn’t have ethics/morals as we know it, and will say or do anything to accomplish their goals (presumably weird and sick)
As the past 6 weeks have shown, most of the Republicans in Congress were riding the MAGA Train but were never onboard.
Graham v .01 came bundled with a Pretend to MAGA feature.
They're all actors.
I don't trust Graham, but I can't find any evidence that he said to concede. I looked up "Lindsey Graham concede," and all I found was an interview where he's saying Trump shouldn't concede.
Even when Mitch cucked the other day, it looks like all Lindsey said Trump has a very narrow path to victory but that we should let those legal challenges play out. So he's being a bit of a doomfag, but it doesn't look like he's completely written off Trump yet.
Graham's an opportunist, he's hedging his bets. Rather like Kamala how she still hasn't resigned her senate seat yet just in case she doesn't actually get to be VP, no wonder they fist-bumped as they're cut from similar cloth.
He fist bumped Kamala Harris on the Senate floor, that tells you everything you need to know about that shill.
fake news you say it like he was giving her a Hey Bro Awesome bump and not a No Hand Shakes bump
You're still finding a way to back these retards? GOP is gay.
Lyndsey Graham = milktoast "Jan Brady" . when I think of him, I see that sad sloth meme lol.
Fuck Lindsey.
Lindsay graham has a gaping vagina
Gaping vachina
The only time Lindsey Graham springs into action is when he feels his polls are swinging too far one way or the other.
I'll never forget his disgusting groveling on Hannity, before the election, begging us with damn near close to tears streaming down his face, for money so he didn't get voted out.
We're primarying you next you bitch.
It’s all one big Gai ping swamp cesspool. A wretched hive of scum and villainy. The gang rape of Lady Liberty
Second only to Mitch McConnell's. Both are bigger than a blue whale's....
Graham worried about destroying conservatism while he fist bumps kameltoe over her "win." Jeez. Gimme a time machine and take me back to the Kavanaught witch trial, that Lindsey Graham was a beast.
Seems like he’s just a really good actor.
That's the only skill politicians ever needed.
DC is Hollywood for ugly people. Never forget!
Kavanaugh accusations were false flags. We all know now that not everyone trump appoints is not his friend. They knew RBG was not long for this world so they influence trump to pick someone who will stab his back given the opportunity. They then slander him with obviously false accusations and watch with glee as trump supporters flock to kavanaughs defense. They knew we would protect anyone who they criticize so he was guaranteed a scotus slot. Why do you think nothing happened to blasy ford after she lied repeatedly?
Same reason nothing happens to anyone who does anything illegal. Your system is corrupt and broken. The time to act was yesterday.
Youre right, the time to act was yesterday. But that in no way means all hope is lost.
Never said all hope was lost. This is us against the globalists. America is the last bastion. I'm fkn ready to die over this and am not even american.
So become a citizen. Or go into government in your area and turn it into a true ally of freedom.
If I could and knew how I'd be doing it already...
Idk where you live so i couldnt really help you there but if you live in a place where government officials are elected then you need to start campaigning. Do some research on how to get started. Freedom isnt going to randomly land in your lap. This is something we have to constantly fight for.
Graham 2.0 was straight Kabuki theater.
Kabuki theater?
Dynamic, over-the-top acting.
Don't terminate section 230, just fucking enforce it. The only reason social media is allowed to do their bullshit is because nobody is enforcing it. They're all in violation of it.
I feel like you could say this with every law in our country currently.
I don't get it, if I go outside and pull down my pants, I get arrested and charged.
WHY do election laws, RICO laws, bribery laws, tech laws go unpunished? WTF?
Because they own the politicians, courts and agencies that would enforce it.
That's what makes Trump so different. He already had more money than God, he can't be bought, he was able to do what he thought was good for our country without the influence of corporate money
...which is the exact reason the establishment Republicans plopped those knives in his back so quickly, he was costing them money.
Every social media site should be forced to clearly declare itself publisher or platform.
Depends on the interpretation. A re-interpretation is pending.
Section 230 Safe Harbor summary. Recent past, actions, solutions.
Part of me always worries that if 230 is removed people will come after the Donald.win eventually. We are always a target.
Terminating 230 is not the answer, it needs to be reformed. You are right in my opinion
Yeah, but it could use some revision to make it more full-proof so that censorship like this never happens again. It's clear that trying to enforce it in its current state isn't working.
Right, we just need to get these companies to officially declare they're a platform or a publisher and enforce the law accordingly.
Trump demanding termination is part of his negotiating, he's trying to get them to agree to reform or he'll go scorched Earth on it.
Making a request which would hoist yourself by your own petard is not a usual bargaining tactic.
Section 230 Safe Harbor summary. Recent past, actions, solutions.
I think terminating it is fine. You just give people the option of opting out of the editorializing done by the mods. I.e. all the stuff the mods remove would not be removed but you could make it invisible to your user experience by "opting in" to the curation decisions made by the current mod team members. Same end result but puts the power back in the users.
The result of that would be that TD would be liable for anything users post and would need to pre-screen anything to ensure that it is not risky prior to publishing it.
Section 230 Safe Harbor summary. Recent past, actions, solutions.
I dunno what happened to the "public square" argument? Can't we just say that we will free a platform from liability if they don't infringe on people's free speech? I guess the post you link is saying that this would be like another attempt to enforce neutrality but it seems different than neutrality to me. Basically a "platform" would not be liable for things people post but people could sue them for infinging on free speech or something if what they posted was not illegal.
Removing 230 would not create that.
Re-interpreting 230 to require free-speech would also make TD and other advocacy sites impossible. For example, TD infringes upon the expression of Biden supporters, trolls, and people who want to put content on TD that makes TD look bad.
Trump is a "repeal and replace" kind of guy.
He's doing it to Obamacare. He doesn't want any crumbs left behind that savages can eat up and take advantage of.
They won't. They have AI tools and lawyers. They'll just use the AI to mass remove stuff and the lawyers to stay free of legal penalties.
Meanwhile every other website will drown in lawsuits trying to be a platform without 230 protection.
then their product will be dead, congratulations
THIS IS HOW THEY ALREADY OPERATE AND ARE NOT DEAD!!!
USE YOUR GODDAM BRAIN!!!
It would not mean that. Removing 230 would harm the small sites more than the huge ones. The huge ones would cement their dominance by making the barriers to entry higher.
Section 230 Safe Harbor summary. Recent past, actions, solutions.
There are already laws against CP long before Section 230. Even without it, we could remove CP with ease.
But I sorta get what you're saying. Our website moderators would still want to remove other BS troll topics that would flood here.
I think there's an easy happy medium where website mods can curate without censoring.
Section 230 is what protects the website from the time when the illegal/defamatory content is posted to when it is removed. It is what gives the website operator a reasonable amount of time to police the user-generated content.
Without Section 230, the millisecond illegal or defamatory content hits your servers and starts being shared by your website to other people, you are legally responsible for it.
CP is criminal mainly. Eliminating 230 increases civil liability -- lawsuits. Anything that could be brought to court would be a risk. If it could be claimed to be defamatory, libelous, infringe copyright, identity theft...
Yeah it's a concern, but what's actually going to happen? Biden is going to sue because anon2375 called him a loser on the internet?
The courts have gone nuts, but I can't see them siding with this.
Eliminating only section 230 would be horrible for us and citizens in general.
Section 230 Safe Harbor summary. Recent past, actions, solutions.
Waiting for a "happening" that's not going to happen is going to disappoint our side. And that's the problem. Conservatives are fine being disappointed, if they can go back to polishing their guns and screaming at the TV. The opponent believes they have the right to rule. They believe they have the moral imprimatur. And they do because we fail to resist them. We meme. We yell. We call representatives (who do nothing). We write letters (that are trashed). I know because I do it daily. I've run campaigns. I've written hundreds of emails and letters, to no avail. Until we act as the opponent does--unabashedly, unwaveringly--we will keep losing. The time is now, Mr. President. No more tweets. No more tiks. No more toks. You have 33 days, or it's over.
Our leaders failed you. They need to have the same energy.
We know this well in CA. Who we "vote" for is predetermined. This is not good for our Republic because it creates distrust in our institutions, which leads to authoritarian, conservative strongmen--as history repeats itself.
I would like to suggest that these figures we bemoan, and may have their own private faults, are more the responses that nature produces to corrupt systems, than the actual corrupters, like they are depicted. In other words, maybe CA could also use a conservative strongman, although hopefully a humane one.
Yep. He has 33 days remaining to make it happen. Every day tweeting is one less day to organize to make the Call.
This is the problem. You guys think someone else should do it for you. Did the founding fathers wait for someone in the British government start the rebellion for them? Fuck no they took it upon themselves. Everyone on this site is a larp and doesn’t have what it takes to use the 2nd amendment.
Acting alone is idiotic and without direction. We know this from history and all the times lone wolves have attempted to act against the State. Our Founding Fathers were quite smart. They organized, discussed, and then acted on a single unifying idea. Your picture of how the Revolution started is not accurate. It was not a bunch of aimless farmers who decided to rebel. In fact, they sent specific demands to their oppressors and did so on a specific timetable.
They were calculating. They were cautious. But most importantly, they were organized under a directive from centralized leadership. To say otherwise, is to be ignorant of our history.
You took all the time to write that to me, only to get deported? Okay.
VERY UNAPPRECIATIVE SAD!
Arrest everyone.
Good time to invest in GEO. Any other good correctional facilities stocks?
Helicopter rides for AAAAALLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! WWWWEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
Most crazy thing the congress was going to let the president declare wars and move troops anywhere in the world EXCEPT to bring them HOME. Which would require congress approval which would then be denied.
These people are TRAITORS.
The first president in years who actually loves our country!
probably the last one who will ever love our country
Invoke insurrection
Section 230 removal for big tech!
Would he be doing this if he was gonna leave office next month? I mean, he knows it'd come right back if he left, so I don't see how he'd bother doing this if he was gonna leave.
Sounds like he has no plans to leave. He really can't afford to, knowing his 5 years of trying to put America first would be in vein.
WE WILL NEVER FORGET THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO DIDN'T FIGHT FOR AMERICA, NO MATTER WHAT POLITICAL PARTY THEY ARE ON, THEY WILL FOREVER BE COMMUNIST CUCKS.
Ignore him. He took a biology class once and thinks he knows everything.
Parasitism is a subset of symbiosis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis#Parasitism
Veto every single thing they try. All they want to do is screw our country over and put china on the forefront!
FUCK COMMUNISM & SECTION 230
Fuck the defense bill. Invoke the insurrection act. The defense bill can wait.
The veto will be overridden with laughable majorities. Passed the senate with like a 87-13 vote and passed the house 375-60. Fucking laughable how corrupt congress is.
Delete your Twitter account and invoke the insurrection act already! Here’s the indisputable facts: You’ve appointed 2 swamp rat AG’s and 3 SCOTUS judges that ALL betrayed America. If you truly love America, it’s time to start treating everyone around you like an enemy. You clearly don’t have the best judgement when it comes to choosing who would actually would die for this country before caving to the left’s threats. It’s time to step up, or step down and give the keys to the globalists.
MAKE CHINA PAY 2ND TERM
VETO THAT SHIT
Just Do It.
Good
Eliminating only section 230 would be bad. Eliminating the entire Telecommunications Act of 1996 might be good though.
Section 230 Safe Harbor summary. Recent past, actions, solutions.
End 230 or end the Republican Party. Got it swamp rats?
We can try to stop it
Yes, by stopping Trump's efforts to remove section 230 for starters. Now removing the entire Telecommunications Act of 1996, on the other hand...
Section 230 Safe Harbor summary. Recent past, actions, solutions.
Trump's got this under control.
These are the reasons why we voted for him& love him! (including the tweets)
Make good on your promise Mr. Trump to drain the swamp...now is the perfect time for you while all the evidence and America supports you!!!
There are hundreds of thousands of conservatives waiting. They are anxious even. All he needs to do is make the Call. Do it now, Mr. President. You're the only one who can.
If Joe is going to be inaugurated, why didn’t they just wait to push it through? Also, the Cum Allah still has her senate seat.
Payroll suck
They hang on to the last minute for that check
Do it!
What about the Smith Mundt Act too while your at it.
read that as "far away, and very unappreciative lads". 11/10, fantastic tweet!
WE DO NOT DESERVE THIS MAN... God bless Trump and God bless PePe!
AMEN!
Hell yeah !
Getting rid of Section 230 is a HUGE mistake. We need to reform Section 230 so that Free Speech is protected and when platforms decide to moderate speech then they can be sued just like a publisher.
Without Section 230 all the .win sites could be sued if a leftist posted something libelous or uploaded copyrighted material.
Section 230 Safe Harbor summary. Recent past, actions, solutions.
Keep talking Lindsey.
Talk and talk and talk and talk and talk, while you always manage to find an excuse to do nothing.
Look who just woke up
Why stay where we aren’t appreciated. Novel idea. 4 more year!!!
Veto the swamp!!
Unfortunately Trump is dead wrong on 230. It needs to be given teeth. Not revoked. Big tech would love it to be revoked. Sites like this, Parler, Bitchute, et al can't possibly survive no 230 protections.
It sounds a little communist to me to wear your mask so other people don’t get hurt! If someone scared of getting Covid the plan Demic then they need to stay home and order everything online!
Worth a try
This is good, I'm military and I support this veto. The senate won't get off their asses to make the hard change to Section 230 that is needed without a forcing function (TRUMP is that). There is good analysis that 230 should not be completely terminated, but instead receive significant changes.
Okay, do SOMETHING, not NOTHING.