Probably wouldn't if I didn't have to in order to keep my job. I'd wait 3 months and let the early kinks get worked out. Meanwhile I'm getting it day 3 lol rip
I’m inpatient pharmacy. Not particularly afraid but cautious. Letting everyone else jump in line first. They aren’t requiring it just yet so waiting it out. My department is full of leftists though and they can’t fathom why anyone would be hesitant.
Yeah well a a major lib ivory tower school near me put out a statement that black students and native Americans are the only ones exempt from the mandatory flu vaccine since the government disenfranchised them in the past and they are allowed to be suspicious. I was like wat...
Leftists never make sense. I have one lefty friend. It’s maddening. We stopped talking politics altogether after an argument that progressed in such a wonky manner.
Basically he’s obv pro abortion. Even considered aborting his son. Now that he’s a father he’s glad to have the kid but is still pro abortion. We talked about gun control one day and I said it’s all bullshit. We should allow kids in high school to handled guns like a small caliber .22lr. Teach them respect and proper handling of firearms. Maybe have target shooting teams as a sport. He was so livid he was shaking. Because “As a father I would NEVER want my kid around guns in school where the potential for harm or death would be eminent! That’s just irresponsible and you don’t understand it since you don’t have kids!”
Left logic: killing kids with abortion is ok, but handling a 22LR in a controlled school environment is dangerous and irresponsible. Life doesn’t matter if it fits my views except when life does matter because it fits my views.
Lol you've never worked at a state run hospital haha its all nurse ratchets that are fucking crazy and theeaten to report you to the gestappo (hint my governor is legit a self righteous asshole whos on TV everyday tooting his own horn about how well the pandemic has been handled and is nominated for an Emmy- spoiler alert, we have among the worst numbers in the country again. He ain't done shit)
3 in 15,000 is actually about what you'd expect. I'm not sure the proposed mechanism of that, bells Palsy is caused by viruses, when you get a vaccine your body goes into a stressed state and those viruses can reactivate and cause it, that would be my best guess. If the vaccine directly causes it that would be very interesting and if I got it then I ld just wear a plague doctor mask, would be a good excuse haha was worn by doctors in the bubonic plague
I don't blame our Dr. Pede for taking it. It's expensive to quit the path he is on. I'm probably in a similar position myself depending on what my corporate overlord thinks about mandatory vaccines.
Yeah, I’m sure you’ve put that much work into something like becoming a doctor only to fuck yourself in your residency program because you don’t want to take a miracle vaccine willed by GEOTUS. I love this place, but this vaccine hive mind stuff is starting to sound like a shill brigade.
I get it. But does that make President Trump the bad guy for getting it done? I just don’t get that part. Why would he put his stamp of approval on it?
Okay, but what is the potential for failure? Is the risk/reward ratio worth it to this guy who has spent thousands of dollars on schooling and countless hours to achieve this?
Why would you take it? Let's do a little survey if you don't mind.
The chinese flu does not have much threat to it, 99.9 % recovery, mild symptoms, while the mRNA vaccines have never been authorized before. Now here these are in record time. Why take it?
CDC and AMA agree HCQ works, after the election...ivermectin works, lots of things work to stop the chinese flu, why does the CDC lie? Those are safe proven drugs...
If the chinese flu mutates why vaccinate, yearly flu vaccines don't work well, so why bother?
Why test for chinese flu? Doctors claim no treatment is available, all they do is send you home. So why spend all that time and money on tests?
Are you positive no digital certificates were injected into you, or worse codes?
My whole Family has had the chinese flu, youngest was 3 and I'm near 70, no problems, no treatment other than quercetin, zinc and vitamins C&D.
Why take the vaccine? Hint, the answer is never 'mandated'. If you as a doctor allow 'others' to mandate your thinking you are part of the problem.
Resident physicians are indentured servants. When we are interviewing, we make a list of where we ideally want to go, the programs do the same, but ultimately we get little say where we "match". Once we are matched, its a binding contract that we cannot attempt to alter or leverage so whatever pay they offer is what we get, we cannot try to get a raise. We cannot field offers from other programs once the match has been made. Once in the program you have agreed to work there for 3 years for 1/6th the pay of a doctor and agree to abide by all policies set by the hospital/program. If you speak up, step out of line, fight things or are essentially an independent thinker, you will be kicked out. Once kicked out of a program, no other program will touch you. And you cannot practice without a residency. Well you technically can but have to charge cash only and will get literally buttfucked if ever sued.
In keeping with the theme, many residents kill themselves or die from car accidents before they complete their contract (similar to indentured servants dying before their contract was up).
So long story short - want to be a doctor? Put up and shut up or hit the bricks and go fuck yourself
People are mad because we got into this mess because nobody was willing to risk or sacrifice anything to maintain their freedom. It's why decadent, complacent societies always fall.
I too have an advanced degree and high paying job that took a lifes work to obtain, but am willing to move on the minute they mandate a potentially dangerous vaccine for a virus that amounts to little more than a cough for people in my age group.
I understand, I really do. Everyone has to draw their own line in the sand. The reason I'm bitter is because those of us choosing to draw our lines at mandated vaccination don't stand a chance if our numbers are small, and this type of post serves to further weaken the resolve of those willing to make a stand.
I mean...its literally a post about how I was forced and don't have an option lol some people can quit or take a stand, I'm not yet in the position to do so
No thanks, I like to keep my jobs flexible. For me I like the idea of I show up and do my job well and I keep it, I can tell them to fuck off if I want and go my own way, I like freedom. Even when I was a contractor I never signed myself into a corner where I was forced to do anything that didn't have to be negotiated after the fact
Hey, sorry to hear you have to go through that, and hope you don’t suffer any negative effects. Some people don’t understand the leverage the system has over people caught early in their career during this time.
Like I would’ve told my boss to fuck off when we had to start wearing a mask, if it weren’t for the fact that I would harm my ability to establish myself as a professional.
And then I hear all this shit about how that’s hurting freedom I’m a cuck whatever.
Not everyone is retired or ready to retire.
I am fortunately in a field where licensure and credentials don’t have you by the balls so much, so I will draw the line at a vaccine if it comes to that
Rushed development is scary in any scenario, let alone with new technology, let alone in a medical scenario. Wish you luck, but in the future I think you might want to consider that new jobs are an option
Yeah wrote it out below but TLDR basically to become a doctor you're an indentured servant for 3 years and can't leave or change jobs or leverage raises etc. Sucks
So, what have you heard/seen regarding female sterilization from the vaccine? I've read it does something that prevents the placenta from forming, is that correct?
From emergency lawsuit filed with EU regarding the vaccine:
XI. Several vaccine candidates are expected to induce the formation of humoral antibodies
against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. Syncytin-1 (see Gallaher, B., “Response to nCoV2019
Against Backdrop of Endogenous Retroviruses” - http://virological.org/t/response-to-ncov2019-
against-backdrop-of-endogenous-retroviruses/396), which is derived from human endogenous
retroviruses (HERV) and is responsible for the development of a placenta in mammals and
humans and is therefore an essential prerequisite for a successful pregnancy, is also found in
homologous form in the spike proteins of SARS viruses. There is no indication whether
antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1
antibodies. However, if this were to be the case this would then also prevent the formation of a
placenta which would result in vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile.
No need for quarantine, it isn't the active virus its the "m spike" messenger RNA, fancy way of saying it's the protein that allows it to enter your cell. First vaccine of its type to utilize mRNA so hopefully it works, the data looked good the fda used. But yeah, won't be actively infected or anything
After 2 doses its about 94% effective at preventing it, and as with the flu shot those who get rona still and have had the shot have a significantly lower chance of dying from the prelim data but will have to see what the long term data is and how long it lasts
You are probably working 70 hrs per week already, but you really need to find a based mentor outside the system where you are employed--if you can't figure it out for yourself.
In the future You're going to be tricked like many of the simpleton normies, I hope the best for you that it does not come into this. Deception is the Left's best weapon.
Here's a rabbit hole: Healthcare is actually getting saline shots and being told it's the vaccine so optics are good, and there's no whistleblowers. they want healthcare workers good because I mean who's gonna save their elitist assess if healthcare workers are stroking out and having reactions?
Personally not an anti-Vaxer myself but definitely taking a wait and see approach personally. Though practically speaking, I think you’re fine since either way, you’re on our side. Lol
All that medical training and you let yourself get injected with an experimental vaccine, which does not prevent you from becoming infected with a virus or spreading a virus that 99.9% of people under 70 survive.
Hmmm, this whole time I assumed that doctors were smart and that medical school taught you how to think logically.
I have a question, as a physician do you know about t-cell immunity? It is my understanding recovered SARS patients still have t-cell immunity 17 years later. I had COVID which I believe was not false positive (lost taste/smell). Shouldn't I have immunity for longer than 3-4 months, which is how long the antibodies are found in blood?
So it depends, sort of. T cell immunity is your bodys memory system. B cells make antibodies, t cells are cells that physically go kill or assist in killing infected cells. There is a whole lot to unpack here and would be a super long comment but I'll try to make a brief overview.
B cells work very fast to neutralize something you've been infected with before, so fast that you may not even know you were re-exppsed. Antibodies coat the thing (virus, bacteria etc) and then macrophages (immune cells) eat the thing and destroy it. Antibodies can also prevent the virus bacteria etc from getting into your system depending on the type (there's IgA, IgG, IgE etc) b cell immunity is quite effective and can last a long time after a robust response. B cells can make new antibodies very quickly and respond first to infections because they can quickly identify them, their ability to kill the thing is variable but decent.
T cells help by killing in a different way, by activating cells called natural killer cells and others. T cells are already formed when you're born, your thymus is where they originate and they go to lymph nodes. Theyre preset with what they respond to and your body will destroy the ones that react to the body (unless you have an autoimmune condition, then that never got done properly) .When you have a robust immune response to something, the T cell that is able to respond to the virus bacteria etc will replicate, this process takes time, and ultimately will save some of itself for later exposure. Infections don't always cause memory t cell formation but they do if you were pretty sick for the most part. Then if the same bug comes along again the memory t cell can quickly identify it and destroy it.
Tldr b cells make antibodies, good short term protection decent ability to kill infections , first on the scene. T cells take longer to activate and get there but once they do, they nuke the fucker. Then they store themselves incase it comes back
Thanks, the question, is will there be t-cell immunity to covid, and if so, why all the fuss about people not being immune because antibodies aren't detected?
I guess they don't know.
Did any of your colleagues already have COVID, and if so, are they being forced to vaccinate?
Good luck, I’m not taking that shit
Probably wouldn't if I didn't have to in order to keep my job. I'd wait 3 months and let the early kinks get worked out. Meanwhile I'm getting it day 3 lol rip
Can't you get one of those empty syringes, like the guy in the video?
Its a little paper form we were handed but the state is keeping track with an online thing
I’m inpatient pharmacy. Not particularly afraid but cautious. Letting everyone else jump in line first. They aren’t requiring it just yet so waiting it out. My department is full of leftists though and they can’t fathom why anyone would be hesitant.
Just tell them you'd like the less fortunate and more vulnerable to get theirs first. They love a good virtue signal.
Yeah well a a major lib ivory tower school near me put out a statement that black students and native Americans are the only ones exempt from the mandatory flu vaccine since the government disenfranchised them in the past and they are allowed to be suspicious. I was like wat...
I thought leftists didn’t trust the trump vaccine?
Didn't you hear? It's the biden vaccine because it came out after the election.
Leftists never make sense. I have one lefty friend. It’s maddening. We stopped talking politics altogether after an argument that progressed in such a wonky manner.
Basically he’s obv pro abortion. Even considered aborting his son. Now that he’s a father he’s glad to have the kid but is still pro abortion. We talked about gun control one day and I said it’s all bullshit. We should allow kids in high school to handled guns like a small caliber .22lr. Teach them respect and proper handling of firearms. Maybe have target shooting teams as a sport. He was so livid he was shaking. Because “As a father I would NEVER want my kid around guns in school where the potential for harm or death would be eminent! That’s just irresponsible and you don’t understand it since you don’t have kids!”
Left logic: killing kids with abortion is ok, but handling a 22LR in a controlled school environment is dangerous and irresponsible. Life doesn’t matter if it fits my views except when life does matter because it fits my views.
Let me know when you get round 2....
That’s always the worst of the series
Yeah 1st round mild side effects right now my arm hurts a little and my face is a little flushed but I'm good overall
How long ago did you take it?
When you step inside of 5G cellular tower range and get that “tingling feeling” don’t worry it’s just the nano bots telling you they love you.⚡️
Perfect. They can see what a sick fuck i am. I already play 4 hours of granny porn a day just to disgust my fbi agent
George Soros has a specially made joystick that can take control of any 'vaccine' recipient. /s
Gamer (2009) reboot.
Lol you've never worked at a state run hospital haha its all nurse ratchets that are fucking crazy and theeaten to report you to the gestappo (hint my governor is legit a self righteous asshole whos on TV everyday tooting his own horn about how well the pandemic has been handled and is nominated for an Emmy- spoiler alert, we have among the worst numbers in the country again. He ain't done shit)
Do you know what’s the best way to bribe someone to shoot the vax in a potato? I guess an independent medical practice?
I am curious about this very same thing. Anyone have any ideas about this?
Sorry about that.
It's gonna be alright, see... Cigar sales will go through the roof, see... Yahh, see...
3 in 15,000 is actually about what you'd expect. I'm not sure the proposed mechanism of that, bells Palsy is caused by viruses, when you get a vaccine your body goes into a stressed state and those viruses can reactivate and cause it, that would be my best guess. If the vaccine directly causes it that would be very interesting and if I got it then I ld just wear a plague doctor mask, would be a good excuse haha was worn by doctors in the bubonic plague
Molecular mimicry.
Sorry ma dude but to me, that was a big mistake. I’d rather quit.
I don't blame our Dr. Pede for taking it. It's expensive to quit the path he is on. I'm probably in a similar position myself depending on what my corporate overlord thinks about mandatory vaccines.
Yeah, I’m sure you’ve put that much work into something like becoming a doctor only to fuck yourself in your residency program because you don’t want to take a miracle vaccine willed by GEOTUS. I love this place, but this vaccine hive mind stuff is starting to sound like a shill brigade.
I get it. But does that make President Trump the bad guy for getting it done? I just don’t get that part. Why would he put his stamp of approval on it?
So now you don’t trust him or his decisions?
So, do you believe that Pence will be receiving a saline injection?
Yes, just take it to court. It’s so simple.
Okay, but what is the potential for failure? Is the risk/reward ratio worth it to this guy who has spent thousands of dollars on schooling and countless hours to achieve this?
Hundreds of thousands lol
80% severe side effects? I mean, low grade fever, chills, arm pain and a headache aren't severe lol. Severe is rash, hives, anaphylaxis.
It’s not so much the vaccine stuff, it’s the mandatory stuff that bothers us
I agree with this. I do not think it should be mandatory.
Why would you take it? Let's do a little survey if you don't mind.
The chinese flu does not have much threat to it, 99.9 % recovery, mild symptoms, while the mRNA vaccines have never been authorized before. Now here these are in record time. Why take it?
CDC and AMA agree HCQ works, after the election...ivermectin works, lots of things work to stop the chinese flu, why does the CDC lie? Those are safe proven drugs...
If the chinese flu mutates why vaccinate, yearly flu vaccines don't work well, so why bother?
Why test for chinese flu? Doctors claim no treatment is available, all they do is send you home. So why spend all that time and money on tests?
Are you positive no digital certificates were injected into you, or worse codes?
My whole Family has had the chinese flu, youngest was 3 and I'm near 70, no problems, no treatment other than quercetin, zinc and vitamins C&D.
Why take the vaccine? Hint, the answer is never 'mandated'. If you as a doctor allow 'others' to mandate your thinking you are part of the problem.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5fdb8d1bbdb6e.jpeg
Resident physicians are indentured servants. When we are interviewing, we make a list of where we ideally want to go, the programs do the same, but ultimately we get little say where we "match". Once we are matched, its a binding contract that we cannot attempt to alter or leverage so whatever pay they offer is what we get, we cannot try to get a raise. We cannot field offers from other programs once the match has been made. Once in the program you have agreed to work there for 3 years for 1/6th the pay of a doctor and agree to abide by all policies set by the hospital/program. If you speak up, step out of line, fight things or are essentially an independent thinker, you will be kicked out. Once kicked out of a program, no other program will touch you. And you cannot practice without a residency. Well you technically can but have to charge cash only and will get literally buttfucked if ever sued.
In keeping with the theme, many residents kill themselves or die from car accidents before they complete their contract (similar to indentured servants dying before their contract was up).
So long story short - want to be a doctor? Put up and shut up or hit the bricks and go fuck yourself
All that dancing and no answers at all.
WHY take it? 'Mandated' is not an acceptable answer. Why would you want to be a doctor and a slave both?
Bankers send their mistakes to the poor house, lawyers send their mistakes to prison, doctors such as Fauci send their mistakes to the morgue.
Are you like that, no conscience, no reasoning other than money?
WHY take it, why test, why did the mRNA vaccine get approved in record time for a non-existent threat?
https://kekpe.pe/i/5fdba687df6ec.jpeg
Why the downvotes? Poster is laying out how the residency program works. Just because it sucks and needs revision doesn't mean he deserves downvotes.
People are mad because we got into this mess because nobody was willing to risk or sacrifice anything to maintain their freedom. It's why decadent, complacent societies always fall.
I too have an advanced degree and high paying job that took a lifes work to obtain, but am willing to move on the minute they mandate a potentially dangerous vaccine for a virus that amounts to little more than a cough for people in my age group.
I have 400,000 in student loans and no career path if I get kicked out.
I understand, I really do. Everyone has to draw their own line in the sand. The reason I'm bitter is because those of us choosing to draw our lines at mandated vaccination don't stand a chance if our numbers are small, and this type of post serves to further weaken the resolve of those willing to make a stand.
I mean...its literally a post about how I was forced and don't have an option lol some people can quit or take a stand, I'm not yet in the position to do so
No thanks, I like to keep my jobs flexible. For me I like the idea of I show up and do my job well and I keep it, I can tell them to fuck off if I want and go my own way, I like freedom. Even when I was a contractor I never signed myself into a corner where I was forced to do anything that didn't have to be negotiated after the fact
Hey, sorry to hear you have to go through that, and hope you don’t suffer any negative effects. Some people don’t understand the leverage the system has over people caught early in their career during this time.
Like I would’ve told my boss to fuck off when we had to start wearing a mask, if it weren’t for the fact that I would harm my ability to establish myself as a professional. And then I hear all this shit about how that’s hurting freedom I’m a cuck whatever. Not everyone is retired or ready to retire.
I am fortunately in a field where licensure and credentials don’t have you by the balls so much, so I will draw the line at a vaccine if it comes to that
I already told my wife if it makes me a foaming mouth liberal to just put a 308 in my head, literally wrote it in a document
Rushed development is scary in any scenario, let alone with new technology, let alone in a medical scenario. Wish you luck, but in the future I think you might want to consider that new jobs are an option
Yeah wrote it out below but TLDR basically to become a doctor you're an indentured servant for 3 years and can't leave or change jobs or leverage raises etc. Sucks
Wow. Really takes those "right to work" laws to a whole new level
So, what have you heard/seen regarding female sterilization from the vaccine? I've read it does something that prevents the placenta from forming, is that correct?
From emergency lawsuit filed with EU regarding the vaccine:
XI. Several vaccine candidates are expected to induce the formation of humoral antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. Syncytin-1 (see Gallaher, B., “Response to nCoV2019 Against Backdrop of Endogenous Retroviruses” - http://virological.org/t/response-to-ncov2019- against-backdrop-of-endogenous-retroviruses/396), which is derived from human endogenous retroviruses (HERV) and is responsible for the development of a placenta in mammals and humans and is therefore an essential prerequisite for a successful pregnancy, is also found in homologous form in the spike proteins of SARS viruses. There is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies. However, if this were to be the case this would then also prevent the formation of a placenta which would result in vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile.
I'm not sure, but I know the one exemption in our program was for pregnant women because it was not studied adequately, I'll do some digging
So do you quarantine after? I would think you would have to
No need for quarantine, it isn't the active virus its the "m spike" messenger RNA, fancy way of saying it's the protein that allows it to enter your cell. First vaccine of its type to utilize mRNA so hopefully it works, the data looked good the fda used. But yeah, won't be actively infected or anything
First vaccine to use a relatively new technology on the masses without studying the long term effects.
What could go wrong
Good luck! I'm sure it will be fine (and hopefully somewhat effective).
After 2 doses its about 94% effective at preventing it, and as with the flu shot those who get rona still and have had the shot have a significantly lower chance of dying from the prelim data but will have to see what the long term data is and how long it lasts
Please report back with your findings in a week or so.
Will do
Obv not top of class if you can't figure out the workaround. btw stash some epipens and prednisone for hypersensitivity on re-exposure.
So I was actually top of my class lol but there's no work around for a legally binding contract and indentured servitude. See above comments
You are probably working 70 hrs per week already, but you really need to find a based mentor outside the system where you are employed--if you can't figure it out for yourself.
They actually mandates a shot with no long term history? How is that even legal?
They can truck in pallets of ballets, they can force a vaccine on people.
In the future You're going to be tricked like many of the simpleton normies, I hope the best for you that it does not come into this. Deception is the Left's best weapon.
Here's a rabbit hole: Healthcare is actually getting saline shots and being told it's the vaccine so optics are good, and there's no whistleblowers. they want healthcare workers good because I mean who's gonna save their elitist assess if healthcare workers are stroking out and having reactions?
Personally not an anti-Vaxer myself but definitely taking a wait and see approach personally. Though practically speaking, I think you’re fine since either way, you’re on our side. Lol
All that medical training and you let yourself get injected with an experimental vaccine, which does not prevent you from becoming infected with a virus or spreading a virus that 99.9% of people under 70 survive.
Hmmm, this whole time I assumed that doctors were smart and that medical school taught you how to think logically.
Learn new shit everyday...
I have a question, as a physician do you know about t-cell immunity? It is my understanding recovered SARS patients still have t-cell immunity 17 years later. I had COVID which I believe was not false positive (lost taste/smell). Shouldn't I have immunity for longer than 3-4 months, which is how long the antibodies are found in blood?
So it depends, sort of. T cell immunity is your bodys memory system. B cells make antibodies, t cells are cells that physically go kill or assist in killing infected cells. There is a whole lot to unpack here and would be a super long comment but I'll try to make a brief overview.
B cells work very fast to neutralize something you've been infected with before, so fast that you may not even know you were re-exppsed. Antibodies coat the thing (virus, bacteria etc) and then macrophages (immune cells) eat the thing and destroy it. Antibodies can also prevent the virus bacteria etc from getting into your system depending on the type (there's IgA, IgG, IgE etc) b cell immunity is quite effective and can last a long time after a robust response. B cells can make new antibodies very quickly and respond first to infections because they can quickly identify them, their ability to kill the thing is variable but decent.
T cells help by killing in a different way, by activating cells called natural killer cells and others. T cells are already formed when you're born, your thymus is where they originate and they go to lymph nodes. Theyre preset with what they respond to and your body will destroy the ones that react to the body (unless you have an autoimmune condition, then that never got done properly) .When you have a robust immune response to something, the T cell that is able to respond to the virus bacteria etc will replicate, this process takes time, and ultimately will save some of itself for later exposure. Infections don't always cause memory t cell formation but they do if you were pretty sick for the most part. Then if the same bug comes along again the memory t cell can quickly identify it and destroy it.
Tldr b cells make antibodies, good short term protection decent ability to kill infections , first on the scene. T cells take longer to activate and get there but once they do, they nuke the fucker. Then they store themselves incase it comes back
Thanks, the question, is will there be t-cell immunity to covid, and if so, why all the fuss about people not being immune because antibodies aren't detected?
I guess they don't know.
Did any of your colleagues already have COVID, and if so, are they being forced to vaccinate?
Ive taken the moderna vaccine. That second shot will FUCK YOU UP. make sure you have someone monitoring you
Yeah I'm glad I got the Pfizer if I had to pick between the 2. But would've preferred neither
Good luck Pede and God speed!
So Rob Schneider just posted the vaccine only works for 2 months. What's that about?
Happy Bell’s Palsy
Deport this faggot
What? Lol how am I faggot for taking a mandated vaccine so 24 years of my life haven't been wasted?
You are normalizing an unproven and worthless vaccine. Keep your globalist pandering to yourself.