posted ago by brother_seamus ago by brother_seamus +9 / -0

I posted this as a comment, but I think I wrote it in response to a comment that doesn't allow child comments:

We have a lot of "this is how fraud could have happened" and "it can affect X amount of votes". What we really want is at least 3 entries in the time series across WI, PA, and GA that we can point to that, were they removed, it would flip those states. I think coming from where we do (believing something is rotten in Denmark), it's easy for us to promote and share yet more evidence of wrongdoing, which is what's been going on here for the past month. But, what's actually needed is to shift the argument into saying a specific thing should be done and having the other side defend fraud.

A tweet saying, "Subtracting out the fraud we can see, the actual vote tallies for Arizona is Trump X, Biden Y, making Trump the winner. Here's how we got there." would have a lot bigger chance of going big.

Moreover, even a court case saying that some particular entry ought to be thrown out on the basis of fraud is way, way more likely to succeed versus something like Texas's case; you don't need to prove conspiracy, you don't need to prove negligence, you just need to isolate some particular set of votes and remove them from the tally. The actual conservative wing of the Supreme Court would embrace it.

Only problem is: for all the links I've seen about smoke, none point to a specific fire in the data. Does anyone have that available? If not, what's missing in order to be able to find it? Why is it elusive, how can people help?

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WinstonO1984 2 points ago +2 / -0

No ONE that I can see is bringing up how 5 or 6 states stopped counting ALL at the same time. I think the Georgia NONE "Pipe Leak" and the fact that Arizona was called was the TIP OFF? Why is that one question alone not even brought out, or Even asked? Shows Collusion. It is called Election Day, not Election Week. This could all be ended by Calling the Election and the votes that were counted up to 11:59:39 on 11/3. Why is a BIG State like Florida/Texas (who already counted early voting) and were all done counting early on Election night?

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brother_seamus [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree. It all stinks to high heaven. The more you hear about it, the worse and more egregious it all seems.

Here's the problem: showing up with a laundry list of grievances isn't doing it. Every item brought up, on its own, is hand-waved away. Then, the game becomes gathering all those excuses and evasions and trying to stick someone with it all. That's a very high bar to clear, and it plays into the fraud hand.

The easy argument is: we shouldn't count this particular batch of votes because it's fraudulent and undermines the will of the electorate. The only way to counter is asking for evidence that it's fraudulent, but that's already buying into the premise.

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WinstonO1984 1 point ago +1 / -0

Exactly...that is WHY you have a Representative from those states before a court, and ask them HOW they ended up ALL stopping their counts at the SAME time? Nothing to do with votes ;)