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posted ago by Paratrooper82 ago by Paratrooper82 +125 / -1

This article is only the tip of the ICEBERG....

The attackers, whom CISA said began their operation no later than March, managed to remain undetected until last week when security firm FireEye reported that hackers backed by a nation-state had penetrated deep into its network. Early this week, FireEye said that the hackers were infecting targets using Orion, a widely used network management tool from SolarWinds. After taking control of the Orion update mechanism, the attackers were using it to install a backdoor that FireEye researchers are calling Sunburst.”>

When you read this article (link posted below) you will understand just why I’m saying this and the writing is on the wall.

FIRST: Trump has already won! Almost 100% sure on this.

As you will read in the article, ORION/SolarWinds has been compromised. It’s been known for a couple days now. It’s far more serious than initially expected.

Why does this matter: Well pedes, SolarWinds powered the dominion/tabulation machines. It has now been proven that we have been under attack for months.

This means that the entire election will have to be thrown out*

That means that neither candidate will have 270 electoral votes, which means that the HOUSE will vote. 1 vote per state. Do the math it’s over.

I’m actually sad right now while writing this, not because we’re not going to get the outcome we’ve so desired, but more so because this will change the world.

We will undoubtedly go to war over this. Many people will die. This won’t be like Iraq or Afghanistan. This will be a near peer actor. Most likely China although I’ve seen Russia mentioned as well.

I am OVERJOYED that Trump will stay in office. Unfortunately there will likely not be much time for celebration.

These actors are inside of our network. They can shut off our power grid, our water supply, our food supply.

This is some scary ass shit!

Please READ THE ARTICLE so that you can see I’m not overplaying this at all.

Start making preparations. I fear the next time we see POTUS it will be a prime time event and what we hear will not be good for our way of life.

I pray to God that I am wrong!

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/12/feds-warn-that-solarwinds-hackers-likely-used-other-ways-to-breach-networks/?fbclid=IwAR2mwb2A0Uw5jS9SdQu6n_y8gBCSXC3v6sYtOFFvLKxSsrnSlcBUDBL-Jd8

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Paratrooper82 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yes but now imagine our entire infrastructure having to unplug.

While most likely at war....

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dataonly 4 points ago +4 / -0

I'm not seeing where in your article link it says every power company is connected to Internet.

That said, you have plant operation networks and the business side networks. As far as plant operation, I can't imagine a scenario where those networks go beyond the premises. i.e. Physical presence would be necessary to operate. There would be an air gap between any power infrastructure regulating/operating devices and any public wide area network. Now there could be a private OC-3 level connection between generation facilities. But that would also be private network that could only be infiltrated at the carrier level which would require nefarious hardware installation for ip communication, correct?

Going back to this attack specifically, if it is as truly widespread as is claimed, there are very likely players on the inside.

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Paratrooper82 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

The article doesn’t mention the power grid. If I’m a nation state and they were this good to go undetected for that long..... I’m gaining control and pivoting everywhere I can.

They’re everywhere. I guarantee it!

Some tough decisions are being made first for National Security, and then for us and the public.

I will say that it is ominous that Lin Wood told us to prepare either Sunday or Monday, and that things would come fast. Get people’s phone numbers.

If they do UNPLUG that means we’re cut off.

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dataonly 4 points ago +4 / -0

we’re cut off

Not sold on Lin Wood. But as far as cutting the Internet, its very redundant.

There are a few major NAPS or network access points geographically disbursed in the US. A NAP allows backbone providers to peer. Take down a NAP and traffic can be rerouted. There is also a lot of wireless redundancy. Beyond that is HAM radio which is alive and well. I'm not saying the whole system cannot be taken down. But TCP/IP is by design a self healing protocol. To take everything down would be quite a feat. It would require taking down many different providers/carriers individually. One glaring weakness however is the amount of fiber that is run on poles and not underground.

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barneshawk 2 points ago +2 / -0

My HAM equipment arrives tomorrow. Been studying my ass off for the operator license, but at least I can lurk if SHTF before then. Speaking of pivoting, does anyone really think Orion wasn't running on prem at SolarWinds? If they were comped, its all comped.