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posted ago by KGB82 ago by KGB82 +27 / -1

Just an offer to anyone, and I'm willing to go the distance with anyone in an earnest discussion.

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beholdachair 3 points ago +4 / -1

Atheism is no different than jumping for jesus materialists. You know who I mean.

Real spirituality is found within. Your ancestors are real. Not a dude without a jetpack flying into the sky. Or a psychopath that feels a need to come to earth to wrestle with a dude. Banking on fantasy brings the kind of degeneracy we have so-far seen.

The criminals need the bog.

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KGB82 [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

I'm not talking about fantasy. I'm talking about the straight-forward logic, through reasoning, that indicates there is a Supreme Being.

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beholdachair 2 points ago +3 / -1

My ancestors aren't fantasy. They existed well-before a middle-eastern vegetarian cult or stolen stories compiled by rabbis and twisted to meet their inbred psychopathic thinking.

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Proud_American 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’ve done precisely what you’re calling for and have come to the conclusion that you simply can not know, either way.

There absolutely could be a supreme being. That’s it. There could also not be any sort of singular, supreme entity. Asking for the answers to that which can’t be know will leave one “torn asunder.”

My only grasp on the infinite would be change and vibration have always existed and will always exist. No thing, no emotion, no positive or negative could ever stop the mental omnipotence of our existence if it truly were infinite. This doesn’t mean one can attain the knowledge of how it exists, but it does suggest the possibility is as great as the improbability.

Claiming one way or the other is a fools errand when the answers are literally unknowable and not just unknown. There’s three facets to mentalism: the known, the unknown, and the unknowable. The “answers” to our existence is the latter.

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KGB82 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

You cannot reason unless you have affirmed yourself first. If your ultimate contention were so (your first sentence), you would also have to affirm that you cannot know that you don't know, and you are in existential contradiction. This may be because you do not realize you have already affirmed something (that is, yourself - your ability to appraise truth from falsehood flows from this affirmation). It's like you got a base hit, are standing on first, but don't remember how you go there. You had to be at bat at some point. You just check the rules or your understanding of the play and you can see what preceded.

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Proud_American 1 point ago +1 / -0

To use your analogy, the base hit is not quantifiable. It’s simply impossible to know how you got to first base. Yes, I must have been at bat, but the leap you’re taking is an affront the to omnipotence of the universal mind. Pretending to know that answer would be in direct opposition to the inability of putting ourselves on the same playing field as an infinite, pure creator.

Bottom line, you can’t know how you got to first base. It could be anything or nothing. Pontificating on the reality is a losing battle that only serves to reduce the tangibility of being on first base.