On paper civil asset forfeiture has merit. I believe the idea is that if someone tons a bank you don't want them using the money to fund their legal defense, or quickly converting it into artwork and jewelry. I doubt how it's abused now was it's intent.
No, they exist to help keep society civil. The problem is that elites with influence and money are able to leverage those things to convince cops to work against the interests of the community. But the purpose of cops is and has always been to ensure civility and the adherence of common law. Without police (or in situations where police are prevented from acting) you get situations where crime starts skyrocketing and shit starts getting really bad, we know this both historically and can look at prime examples happening right now with Portland, New York, and Milwaukee
Not at all. The problem is that police, like any other government official, are susceptible to corruption once they become sufficiently insulated from any repercussions.
Town elects a sheriff. Sheriff has a couple marshals. Can round up a posse. Life is pretty good because at the end of the day, Sheriff still needs the town and town needs the sheriff.
Capitol city has their own police with their own special jurisdiction that couldn't give fewer fucks about the populace making a bunch of noise disturbing the ruling class. Did they get too aggressive? Arrest the wrong people? Capitol police investigated themselves and cleared themselves of any wrongdoing.
Nothing should be seized without proper legal proceedings. The 4th amendment exists to protect exactly this issue. CAF is the state rigging the game in its favor.
The courts? You must be a cop. The courts have shown their corruption at every level. More so in 2020 than any year I remember. Police take an oath to follow the constitution and are obliged to not follow unconstitutional laws. They CHOOSE to do what they're told by tyrants. I assume you are one the tyrants in blue who is just doing your job forcing small business to close while working on the weekend for costco
Why I'm glad the sheriff in my county held a public meeting outside the mayors office at the start of all saying his department will not enforce any order from state or local authorities. The entire force was there and cheered along with about two dozen citizens.
People need to remember police are people not an idea- some or evil some or good. Just don't assume you know which is which based on a commercial or fund raising slogan
The problem is by wearing a uniform you are a collective. Which is why the military takes it seriously when a single uniformed member makes an ass out of themselves to the public.
This. I'm free to dress and act like a hooker at home or on the town if I want - it's a free country. But if I so much as twirl my hair when I'm on the clock interacting with a customer, then I would get a talking to from my boss. And that would be 100% justified, because I'm representing my company and everyone in it.
Police have to live by those same rules - and more so - because they represent the government. Don't tell me 'good cops and bad cops'... I don't give a shit about the good cops either if they let assholes walk around wearing the same color blue. I blame all of law enforcement for not keeping their dicks off the street.
It really depends on which police force you sign up with as well. There are plenty of police jobs out there, officers don't have to apply to work for evil departments. For example someone that joins up with the ATF while knowing the history of the organization and what they do deserves a particularly nasty fate.
Been seeing people call for civil asset forfeiture of CCP assets used to affect the election here lately.
The appeals process set by the courts that you have to prove that it wasn't used in a crime is the problem, not that asset seizure in the first place. Its like saying that the police can't seize a brick from a rioter when the assailant is not near a construction site, much less one that he is authorized to be at.
Speed traps are a friendly contest, and worthless these days thanks to Waze and similar apps.
Civil Asset Forfeiture on the other hand? Anyone who participated in that theft deserves to be put on the wrong end of a firing squad.
Civil Asset Forfeiture is theft.
On paper civil asset forfeiture has merit. I believe the idea is that if someone tons a bank you don't want them using the money to fund their legal defense, or quickly converting it into artwork and jewelry. I doubt how it's abused now was it's intent.
No, they exist to help keep society civil. The problem is that elites with influence and money are able to leverage those things to convince cops to work against the interests of the community. But the purpose of cops is and has always been to ensure civility and the adherence of common law. Without police (or in situations where police are prevented from acting) you get situations where crime starts skyrocketing and shit starts getting really bad, we know this both historically and can look at prime examples happening right now with Portland, New York, and Milwaukee
Not at all. The problem is that police, like any other government official, are susceptible to corruption once they become sufficiently insulated from any repercussions.
Town elects a sheriff. Sheriff has a couple marshals. Can round up a posse. Life is pretty good because at the end of the day, Sheriff still needs the town and town needs the sheriff.
Capitol city has their own police with their own special jurisdiction that couldn't give fewer fucks about the populace making a bunch of noise disturbing the ruling class. Did they get too aggressive? Arrest the wrong people? Capitol police investigated themselves and cleared themselves of any wrongdoing.
Nothing should be seized without proper legal proceedings. The 4th amendment exists to protect exactly this issue. CAF is the state rigging the game in its favor.
The courts? You must be a cop. The courts have shown their corruption at every level. More so in 2020 than any year I remember. Police take an oath to follow the constitution and are obliged to not follow unconstitutional laws. They CHOOSE to do what they're told by tyrants. I assume you are one the tyrants in blue who is just doing your job forcing small business to close while working on the weekend for costco
An eye opener is to go sit in a traffic court for a few hours and watch the "fairness"
It has been abused for so long that CBS "60 Minutes" did a story on it back when they used to do actual investigatory journalism.
That’s the problem with giving them extra enforcement powers, it gets abused.
Power corrupts, power congeals, and power accretes.
based, To be fair any cops enforcing lockdowns should be put on the wrong side of a firing squad too
Why I'm glad the sheriff in my county held a public meeting outside the mayors office at the start of all saying his department will not enforce any order from state or local authorities. The entire force was there and cheered along with about two dozen citizens.
People need to remember police are people not an idea- some or evil some or good. Just don't assume you know which is which based on a commercial or fund raising slogan
The problem is by wearing a uniform you are a collective. Which is why the military takes it seriously when a single uniformed member makes an ass out of themselves to the public.
This. I'm free to dress and act like a hooker at home or on the town if I want - it's a free country. But if I so much as twirl my hair when I'm on the clock interacting with a customer, then I would get a talking to from my boss. And that would be 100% justified, because I'm representing my company and everyone in it.
Police have to live by those same rules - and more so - because they represent the government. Don't tell me 'good cops and bad cops'... I don't give a shit about the good cops either if they let assholes walk around wearing the same color blue. I blame all of law enforcement for not keeping their dicks off the street.
It really depends on which police force you sign up with as well. There are plenty of police jobs out there, officers don't have to apply to work for evil departments. For example someone that joins up with the ATF while knowing the history of the organization and what they do deserves a particularly nasty fate.
+1.
Also: Destroy the ATF.
Been seeing people call for civil asset forfeiture of CCP assets used to affect the election here lately.
The appeals process set by the courts that you have to prove that it wasn't used in a crime is the problem, not that asset seizure in the first place. Its like saying that the police can't seize a brick from a rioter when the assailant is not near a construction site, much less one that he is authorized to be at.
Any policy implemented for the purpose of generating revenue instead of morally neutral enforcement of the law is corrupt as fuck.
Waze only works if a person reports the cop. And if everyone on the road is using waze.
Speed traps are okay when they get the guy doing 100 in a 35, for example.