+1. Never heard of this, this awesome reading about them now. Were they really anti Ukrainian as wiki says or is that some propaganda? I like Russians and Ukies. The Ukies I knew well were Orthodox, the language sounds like Russian, they looked Russian, their culture was pretty much Russian but they wouldn’t be happy if they were called Russian.
It always seemed weird to me that people so close in culture don’t always like each other.
I just went over to Wiki to see what you were talking about. No, they weren't anti-Ukrainian. That's propaganda BS. Even the article trips over the contradiction, as all lies end in a fatal contradiction somewhere.
They were anti-Ukrainian separatism. Ukraine is and was always part of Russia. Russia's first capital was Kiev. They regarded Ukrainians as fellow Russians and came to their defense when they could.
Thank you for explanation. I understand some of this history I researched Russian history when the war in Donbas (Novorossiya) broke out. It was wiki propaganda that I was reading.
I understand about the Kievan Rus and Saint Vladimir in Crimea around 920 AD. and conversion of the Rus to Christianity.
I used to follow guys like Igor Strelkov. I am a traditionalist myself and have sympathy for Russian traditionalists. Without knowing too much about the place I instinctively consider Ukrainians a schism of Russian Orthodox culture and feel they should be Russia or a semi autonomous state of Russia. Same with Belarus.
I think it is Western Bolshevik banksters that encouraged the schism between Ukraine and Russia for their own benefit by weakening Russia.
Yes, I love all that old Russia stuff. Part of the problem during the Civil War was that once the Bolsheviks defeated the Mensheviks, they were pretty much unified against the anti-communists. You had people like Batka Makhno who is now a kind of folk hero who fought against everyone in defense of southern Ukraine, eventually fighting the Red Army, but too late because the Red was the only faction left and they concentrated everything on them in the Ukrainian front. He wasn't explicitly ideological, however.
And then you had real badasses like this guy. Baron Roman von Ungern-Sternberg, or as he was known among his troops, "The Mad Baron."
I guess the point is that the Communists were smaller, but they were highly organized and very willing to mete out stunning brutality against anyone who opposed them. Their opponents were disorganized. Until Gen Pyotr Wernberg took command of the White Army, it was mostly ineffective and disorganized.
This is a warning to us now. Antifa and the like are highly organized. And consider that Antifa itself is part of a bigger much broader organization that can call on not only Antifa, but BLM, unions, left-wing law guilds, and an entire gamut of leftwing organizations that can be called upon when the need arises.
+1. Never heard of this, this awesome reading about them now. Were they really anti Ukrainian as wiki says or is that some propaganda? I like Russians and Ukies. The Ukies I knew well were Orthodox, the language sounds like Russian, they looked Russian, their culture was pretty much Russian but they wouldn’t be happy if they were called Russian.
It always seemed weird to me that people so close in culture don’t always like each other.
I just went over to Wiki to see what you were talking about. No, they weren't anti-Ukrainian. That's propaganda BS. Even the article trips over the contradiction, as all lies end in a fatal contradiction somewhere.
They were anti-Ukrainian separatism. Ukraine is and was always part of Russia. Russia's first capital was Kiev. They regarded Ukrainians as fellow Russians and came to their defense when they could.
Thank you for explanation. I understand some of this history I researched Russian history when the war in Donbas (Novorossiya) broke out. It was wiki propaganda that I was reading.
I understand about the Kievan Rus and Saint Vladimir in Crimea around 920 AD. and conversion of the Rus to Christianity.
I used to follow guys like Igor Strelkov. I am a traditionalist myself and have sympathy for Russian traditionalists. Without knowing too much about the place I instinctively consider Ukrainians a schism of Russian Orthodox culture and feel they should be Russia or a semi autonomous state of Russia. Same with Belarus.
I think it is Western Bolshevik banksters that encouraged the schism between Ukraine and Russia for their own benefit by weakening Russia.
Thanks again God bless.
Yes, I love all that old Russia stuff. Part of the problem during the Civil War was that once the Bolsheviks defeated the Mensheviks, they were pretty much unified against the anti-communists. You had people like Batka Makhno who is now a kind of folk hero who fought against everyone in defense of southern Ukraine, eventually fighting the Red Army, but too late because the Red was the only faction left and they concentrated everything on them in the Ukrainian front. He wasn't explicitly ideological, however.
And then you had real badasses like this guy. Baron Roman von Ungern-Sternberg, or as he was known among his troops, "The Mad Baron."
I guess the point is that the Communists were smaller, but they were highly organized and very willing to mete out stunning brutality against anyone who opposed them. Their opponents were disorganized. Until Gen Pyotr Wernberg took command of the White Army, it was mostly ineffective and disorganized.
This is a warning to us now. Antifa and the like are highly organized. And consider that Antifa itself is part of a bigger much broader organization that can call on not only Antifa, but BLM, unions, left-wing law guilds, and an entire gamut of leftwing organizations that can be called upon when the need arises.