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posted ago by julianReyes ago by julianReyes +19 / -1

I'll wait to hear why everybody under the military legal code will somehow risk being charged for insubordination in military court, especially when military chain of command has already seen two officers get fired by Obummer for defying his orders regarding Benghazi.

"Because I scream so and arbitrary pessimism is 'realistic'" is not a valid argument.

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Brickapede2 1 point ago +1 / -0

First, there is no real proof as to a US raid on Scytl, but that’s not all that relevant to the argument. Here you go:

As you noted, there is a chain of command. Trump is Commander in Chief, but orders flow through that chain of command. That top brass in that chain of command generally hates Trump. This is so for a couple of major reasons: (1) Obama purged conservatives out of the top brass; and (2) many in the higher ranks are warmongers who hate the peace Trump has brought (without war, it is harder for them to land cushy no-show directorships at military-industrial complex contractors). So the top brass will not reliably follow (or pass down) Trump’s orders.

Moreover, troops are taught to disregard illegal orders, and the anti-Trump brass and mid-tier officers (who have undergone critical race theory training) will tell their troops to disregard Trump’s orders as unconstitutional.

Even assuming a significant portion of the ground-pounders, who do tend to like Trump, endeavor to follow Trump’s orders, the logisitics and support troops are predominantly female and/or minority, and overwhelmingly hate Trump. They will balk at delivering provisions for any troops that do follow Trump’s orders.

As for the brass fearing getting fired: They don’t have such fear. If Trump fires them, Biden rehires them.

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lilpal 1 point ago +1 / -0

So let the war mongers have their war and declare war on China and pick up all those dominion machines and put the sympathizers in camps

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Brickapede2 1 point ago +1 / -0

I like your energy, but I don’t want boots on the ground in China. Given their population size, we’d have to go total war and ignore all conventions. You’d need to kill hundreds of millions of them then occupy.

Doesn’t sound fun.

Open to alternative thoughts on how it would go, though.

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lilpal 1 point ago +1 / -0

We don’t need their geography we just need to take over all of their assets here under a declaration of war, Air Force and the Navy can take care of the rest with the help of the Guardians, no boots on the ground in Asia ever again that’s what we have missiles for, let it be cosmic.

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julianReyes [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Moreover, troops are taught to disregard illegal orders

I can tell you haven't been through boot camp.

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Brickapede2 1 point ago +1 / -0

I haven’t been, no. When did you go through? I ask because troops are taught about unlawful orders, and even if they weren’t, the officers sympathetic to Biden (which is a majority of commissioned officers per polling) would explain that Articles 90 through 92 (IIRC) of the UCMJ require that troops obey lawful orders, and that they will be prosecuted for following unlawful orders (like Keenan, Calley, and so many others).

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julianReyes [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

per polling

Oh yes, because polls have been very accurate at depicting reality.

I haven’t been, no. When did you go through? I ask because troops are taught about unlawful orders,

Yes, they are taught, but "with a shitton of caveats." The drill officers spent a lot of time on those "BUTS" compared to the amount of time they dedicated to saying "you can defy an order from a CO if you think it could be unconstitutional." Or in other words, a lot of "BUTS."

The current Defense Secretary Christopher C. Miller (who, you know, oversees the entire Department of Defense) has already ordered the entirety of the U.S. Armed Forces not to comply with the supposed "Biden presidential transition."

even if they weren’t, the officers sympathetic to Biden (which is a majority of commissioned officers per polling) would explain that Articles 90 through 92 (IIRC) of the UCMJ require that troops obey lawful orders

OK, "you're fired." Hey, that guy next to you who I know likes me more? Promotion! Repeat for every schmuck who doesn't follow through. They'll be handing him a quick purge of everybody who opposes him in military chain of command. And even if it is found that the military followed an unlawful order once everybody is court-martialed, it'll be too late. KIND OF LIKE THE ELECTION.

The military follows a different legal code altogether, you realize, and their way of doing things legally is WAY faster than what civilians go through. You are approaching this with a civilian mindset.

You have not brought up the National Guard at all, I note.

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Brickapede2 0 points ago +1 / -1

You mention a different legal code. That would be the UCMJ, which I have cited multiple times in this thread.

Reading the rest of your post, it is clear you’re a retard.

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julianReyes [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

it is clear you’re a retard.

OK, nice rebuttal.