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posted ago by gnostic357 ago by gnostic357 +39 / -0

It seems to be saying that when Pence counts the votes, objections can be made and must be signed by one Senator and one member of the House of Representatives.

Then the Senate and the HoR withdraw for a vote on whether the state electoral vote in question is a lawful vote by the legal elector.

If the Senate votes no (saying that vote was not lawful due to fraud) but the House of Representative votes yes, then the electoral vote stands.

If I'm understanding this correctly, then we never reach the desired goal of each state casting one vote for President because the House will never agree to toss any vote that is objected to.

if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.

3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15

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LeapFrogTrump 3 points ago +3 / -0

Correct. Many have been trying to drill that in to heads of many, but get called doomer and shill in return. Jan. 6 will not be ending in with Trump being declared victor. Unless something really crazy happens. I predict Biden will be declared President and we will continue to move the goalposts. Maybe after Jan. 20th we will wake up.

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gnostic357 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

With the way it's written, it certainly looks pretty doomy.

Unless, as Devildtails posted, Congress won't accept the results after reading the DNI report.

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Drgreygoose02 2 points ago +2 / -0

One vote per state in the house, we have the Majority it's not the entire house of rep.

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gnostic357 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

But first, they have to vote on each objection long before reaching a point of the states voting.

The entire Senate and the entire House of Representatives vote on the objections first. And they both have to agree to throw out a state's electoral vote.

Only then would the vote go to the House where each state gets one vote.

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MooseKnukl3 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's if neither candidate reaches 170 EV. He is right about the house not objecting.

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Amen 2 points ago +2 / -0

I understand Trump can’t reveal his plans for strategic reasons, but it also feels like an absence of leadership to leave his supporters in limbo. I’m seeing so many people who had recently become red-pilled now losing faith and moving on. Trump is really out of time and waiting until Jan 6th seems like a losing approach. Decisive action and enforcement of the law isn’t too much to ask.

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gnostic357 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Agreed. He should be able to say something more than essentially tweeting, "I won! Not fair!" I love my president, but I'm currently disappointed and have to hope that there's a reason that will become clear later for what is going on. But that hope isn't easy to maintain as each day goes by with no sign of anything happening.

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gnostic357 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Before reading the actual law, I believed what I'd heard/read that "If there's an objection, then the vote goes to the House, and Trump wins."

But the objection has to be voted on. The house vote is not automatic, and it does NOT occur unless the Senate and House agree to the objection.

If they don't agree, then the vote stays.

As someone recently posted, the only way we get the one-state-each-vote is if something so huge breaks that it convinces Dems to agree with an objection.

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gnostic357 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not sure what you're asking. But it looks like our only hope for a Jan 6 victory is if enough Democrats vote against a state's certified electoral votes, which is hard to imagine since they're not known for their honesty and integrity. But maybe there will be a miracle.

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Devildtails 1 point ago +2 / -1

In the event Congress chooses fraudulent elections over honest votes, the President can invoke the Insurrection Act and have those acting seditious apprehended. His authority. When Congress reviews the D.N.I. report, many won’t sign off on fraudulent elections and taint their name, their family, their career, and perhaps their life.

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Redpilledgal 1 point ago +1 / -0

Also, it also states that debate must end in exactly 2 hours, if no decision is reached by that time, it will go to the house. Can we filibuster?

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gnostic357 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

You gave me hope for a second, but then I reread the law, and if they don't decide in two hours, then that's the same as a No vote.

If they don't unanimously agree to reject a state's vote, then by default, the certified electoral vote wins. Unless a lawyer can tell us that this doesn't mean that:

But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.

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Redpilledgal 1 point ago +1 / -0

True, but what if pence does not count any of the votes from the contested states? Does it go straight to the house?

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gnostic357 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

From the way this is written, four tellers count the votes and give the totals to Pence who announces them. Then Pence calls for any objections.