Several congressmen say they don't want to "override our democracy" (how ironic), but maybe if we up the ante a little bit, and several senators and congressmen know their job won't exist in a few days if they sell out, it might change attitudes a little bit.
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Absolutely not. Do not break up the Union. At all cost it must stay United. We don't give up and break away we fight and take it back. Breaking the Union up is exactly what China wants. We're not giving these bastards a single state. Not one.
What we do is declare the federal government as compromised and that we're moving the Capitol to somewhere like Wichita KS. The new Federal government pulls together an army of patriots to retake the occupied territories.
Basically, a new civil war, only the states trying to leave the union are the ones that stole DC.
Why Wichita? Just wondering.
A few reasons. It's pretty close to the middle of the lower 48 it's got a large buffer zone around it so it can't take over multiple states through sprawl, lefties would be hesitant to move to Kansas, it's outside the coastal metropolitan corridors, and it's completely surrounded by red states.
Sounds good to me.
What China wants is for us to be trapped under illegitimate leftist rule forever. They don't care how they achieve it. Giving up, and failing to leave in the face of blatant voter fraud, is giving them what they want.
C'mon, lets just be honest here. Kicking out some states (like NY, and CA) would solve a lot of problems. As for China, I don't care what they want, what I want is freedom. If we solve our freedom problem, the China problem will take care of itself. Besides, it is infinitely easier for China to co-opt one massively centralized state authority, than decentralized power everywhere. The USA has over 2500 red counties, if they were all forced to compete for talent and capital, it would be a race to the top, instead of a race to the bottom.
For too long, a minority of states have been dragging us into this socialist shit-hole, why should I sit in the same dirty bathwater they do?
Surrender California and give the Chinese a beach head almost the length of the country? Surrender our major naval assets to commiefornia? Yeah no way!
Hey, I didn't say we should surrender ALL of California :)
No it wouldn't because the retards would just leave CA & NY in droves like they do already and fuck up wherever they move to
Impose a 15 year block on voting for such immigrants.
I guarantee you Congress fucks us on the 6th. The only reason we have a few GOPers saying they will object is to make themselves look good. It's all political theater. It takes both the Senate and the House to uphold these objections, and they need a simple majority. The House will surely vote to overrule any objections, and even though we have a majority in the Senate, I bet they will, too. Absolutely nothing will come of this, and then on the night of Jan. 6th, Trump will send out several strongly-worded tweets.
This isn't "dooming" shit. We need to wake the fuck up and face reality.
Sadly, I agree. I think it's all political theater (maybe it always was). I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is simply going through the motions at this point, just tweeting and giving his supporters what they want. The thing is, I don't want tweets saying "we won" and "they cheated", if he's not going to do anything about it. I don't want to be bullshitted. Now if he really is going to take some kind of drastic action, fine, but if not, I don't want or need sunshine blown up my ass.
No. Not at all.
The most powerful military in the world belongs to we the people, not Joe Biden. I will not surrender that to him.
The land our forefathers died to manifest the destiny of all 50 states belongs to we the people. I will not secede and surrender that.
The civil rights of Americans in blue states, liberals and conservatives alike, are god given, and protected by the constitution. Me, and several other Americans pledged our sacred honor to protect the liberties of all Americans, from foriegn and domestic.
Allowing the CCP to hold a single US state is a compromise of the future of all humanity. We the people hold the reigns of destiny.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's better to have 50 free states, than 50 separated ones. But if they keep taking away our liberties, and keep cheating to do it, then this is just not going to work.
My argument is that our objective is to retain all 50 states, and not walk with what we can carry. It’s an all of nothing situation IMO.
Read up on our revolutionary war. We were incredibly disorganized from the onset. There was barely any discernible leadership. Continental Congress was just as useless and feckless as our current Congress.
Every battle win was followed by many more losses. At dozens of points, the struggle seemed futile. The enemy was the strongest force on the face of the planet.
The patriots who persevered were untrained, low morale, barely equipped.
Our ability to organize will manifest out of necessity. Not to be cliche, but it there’s a will, there’s a way. I’d say the only way is to have strong enough will. If there’s no will though, there’s no way.
The French didn’t step in until way later. The continental army made up a small portion of the total forces. Most were just drunks recruited from the local bars.
American gun owners have better weaponry than the Taliban does. They’re still doing pretty good against the US.
Americans have an avg IQ 15 points higher than than the average Afghani.
Americans have WAY more ammo, food, and resources than the Taliban.
Vietnam, same story. VC were outnumbered and outmatched, still ended up winning with sheer force of will.
If you don’t have the stomach for it, or don’t believe in it’s chances, that’s fine. Several of us do believe in ourselves and the worthiness of the cause. I don’t think convincing fellow pedes that we can’t do anything about the end of the constitution doesn’t work in anyone’s favor.
74, and probably 80 million people voted for Trump and believe they were disenfranchised. I don't see how they could expect us to just bow our heads down and sit on our ass when it's over.
For my entire life, I have been paying back breaking taxes to the federal government, and losing out because of more regulations than I could possibly ever hope to read ... and all this time they told us that if we don't like it, we should vote to change the system. Well the people did, and they still fucked us over. Fuck that shit, enough is enough.
We should reclaim the union and force those in government that object out of the fucking way.
No. We hang communists. And preserve the union.
no secessions. if we haven't won by the 6th then we will win another way.
Yeah, what's that?
No. Secession is Treason.
If things fail on the 6th... that is when shit gets real. Imagine 2+ million patriots in DC learning that a fraudulent election was allowed. This is, of course, before our President steps in and starts up martial law and his EO.
I agree. And then amend the constitution to provide that government officials who violate the constitution will be personally liable, and that all government officials can be subject to recall or removal by popular vote. The Congress men and women need to feel the heat.
We are too intermingled now. Back when the South seceded, the economies of the Northern and Southern states weren't nearly as intertwined. No energy grid that netted us all together either. We are really a melting pot now, and you can't separate ingredients easily if at all.
The commies have been infiltrating our entire system for well over 60 years. The have utterly compromised the information stream, the communications stream and education. They have bought critical infrastructure and large parts of our food supply flat out. They have infiltrated government even in the reddest of states, witness once red AZ with a commie SoS, commie AGs, commie judges and more.
Secession isn't an option. If we want to save what is left of the Republic, we *must clean house, and remove the leftism from our culture, institutions, government and businesses. If we did try to split now, then China and others (like the UN) would have a good excuse to try and inject themselves into our internal conflicts.