What defines the Left is the belief in the value of "equality / equity" as something to strive for, and in internationalism. Marx himself envisioned national borders disappearing, and the narrative of the burgeoise exploiting the proletarians has been shifted to nations in the 1920s - stating that rich nations are exploiting poor nations.
It's absolutely ridiculous to consider the Nazis to be left wing. They certainty didn't believe in equality - neither from a national point of view, nor from an individual point of view, where meritocracy and entrepreneurship and being middle class was still a value in the Nazi ideology.
Their adoption of socialism is simply because they rejected unchecked capitalism too. They offered a third position, between communism (left wing socialism) and capitalism.
Traditional values do not, generally speaking, place a high emphasis on race
Race is the most important of the traditional values.
America being taken over by the Marxists and not recognizing this fact anymore doesn't make it any less true.
Do you think you, assuming you're a white man, could go to Nigeria and after speaking the local language and respecting the customs you'd be considered one of them? Hell, even if you're a black American you'll never be considered a Nigerian.
Or do you think you could convert to Islam, learn Urdu, marry your underage cousin, and now you're accepted in Pakistan?
Authoritarinism tends to be a much higher value to the left,
The terms Right Vs left were invented in the French Revolution to differentiate those who supported democracy, which is the left side, from those who supported the King, which is the right.
Authoritarianism isn't a value; it's an instrument. Us on this forum wanting to throw commies out of helicopters - that's pretty authoritarian don't you think?
because that is what will bind the community together when there is no agreed upon moral foundation.
Leftists don't want communities to bind together at all. Why do you think they promote multiculturalism and the destruction of the family? They want individuals, not communities.
When you say I would have to conclude that Sweden is more right wing than Hungary because of the economic freedom score, I believe that is non sequitur. I also did not say it was the defining factor, I was trying to be a bit more nuanced in my use of language by saying it was the main way to determine the values of people.
The structure of an economy based on nationalizing business and property is a clear indicator of far left wing idealogy.
Free market capitalism is preferred by right wing people because it does not infringe on their sense of fairness and justice and this is a point that left wing people generally agree upon.
The disagreement comes with the far left, which for all intents and purpose is communism and also has major conflict with classical liberalism which is generally what I refer to as left wing.
Nazi ideaology is clearly borne of enlightenment principles thus why I would classify it as left wing and not far left or right wing. Left wingers believe in nation states and borders, that is not exclusive to the right. Why would you say they don't believe in equality? They clearly thought every German citizen was equal, im not sure why you would say otherwise. Did you mean to say they didn't believe in equity, if so I would agree and that also happens to be the same position of left wingers.
I heavily disagree with race being the most important traditional value, it very clearly has always been religious belief.
Race is important and does play a part in unifying a society, but shared doctrine is the foundation, not race. This is why countries of the same race have civil wars amongst each other.
It's funny you mention Nigeria, I am a white man and my best friend is Nigerian and our friendship grew that way because our religious belief is exactly the same. He came here because Nigeria doesn't have much opportunity and he became a citizen. I know for a fact that amongst the Christian population of Nigeria they would welcome a white Christian as one of their own if they went to live there, but it generally doesn't happen because western countries are better off finacially.
I agree with you about authoritarianism, you are correct in labeling it as an instrument. It is used and has been used by both left and right wing governments.
When you say leftists I take that as Communists, and they absolutely do not want individuals, they want group think, and will use force to crush anyone who disagrees with the group. Historically they focused on the aristocracy, today they focus on crushing white people. They don't think on an individual basis and it has always been a group vs group battle in their minds.
This is why countries of the same race have civil wars amongst each other.
Give me some examples.
On the other hand racial wars happen all the time whenever two races share the same land, look at Africa. Take Rwanda for instance.
I know for a fact that amongst the Christian population of Nigeria they would welcome a white Christian as one of their own if they went to live there, but it generally doesn't happen because western countries are better off finacially.
No it doesn't happen because they don't let foreigners in. Because only white people's countries have been duped into not seeing race. If you think you could be accepted in Nigeria and nobody would see your skin color, man I have a bridge to sell you.
In Africa they chop and eat albinos in a soup to get magic powers, did you know that?
Oh, forget Africa. Walk into an American ghetto and see what happens. See if they don't care about your race.
Some examples are old testament Israel, French Revolution and the American Revolution. There are many more examples, without knowing the answer though I would bet there are way more idealogical wars among those of the same race than race v race.
You are flat wrong, they do let foreigners in. You seem to be thinking of tribal africans when I said Christian. I agree I would not be welcome among the tribes, But I know for a fact I would be welcome amongst Christians as I was already told I am welcome anytime by Christian Nigerians.
America has been corrupted by communists so no disagreement with you about the ghettos.
This is where our views differ.
The economy is not the defining factor. In your reasoning you'd have to conclude that Sweden is much more right wing than Hungary. This cannot be right.
What defines the Left is the belief in the value of "equality / equity" as something to strive for, and in internationalism. Marx himself envisioned national borders disappearing, and the narrative of the burgeoise exploiting the proletarians has been shifted to nations in the 1920s - stating that rich nations are exploiting poor nations.
It's absolutely ridiculous to consider the Nazis to be left wing. They certainty didn't believe in equality - neither from a national point of view, nor from an individual point of view, where meritocracy and entrepreneurship and being middle class was still a value in the Nazi ideology. Their adoption of socialism is simply because they rejected unchecked capitalism too. They offered a third position, between communism (left wing socialism) and capitalism.
Race is the most important of the traditional values.
America being taken over by the Marxists and not recognizing this fact anymore doesn't make it any less true.
Do you think you, assuming you're a white man, could go to Nigeria and after speaking the local language and respecting the customs you'd be considered one of them? Hell, even if you're a black American you'll never be considered a Nigerian.
Or do you think you could convert to Islam, learn Urdu, marry your underage cousin, and now you're accepted in Pakistan?
The terms Right Vs left were invented in the French Revolution to differentiate those who supported democracy, which is the left side, from those who supported the King, which is the right.
Authoritarianism isn't a value; it's an instrument. Us on this forum wanting to throw commies out of helicopters - that's pretty authoritarian don't you think?
Leftists don't want communities to bind together at all. Why do you think they promote multiculturalism and the destruction of the family? They want individuals, not communities.
When you say I would have to conclude that Sweden is more right wing than Hungary because of the economic freedom score, I believe that is non sequitur. I also did not say it was the defining factor, I was trying to be a bit more nuanced in my use of language by saying it was the main way to determine the values of people.
The structure of an economy based on nationalizing business and property is a clear indicator of far left wing idealogy.
Free market capitalism is preferred by right wing people because it does not infringe on their sense of fairness and justice and this is a point that left wing people generally agree upon.
The disagreement comes with the far left, which for all intents and purpose is communism and also has major conflict with classical liberalism which is generally what I refer to as left wing.
Nazi ideaology is clearly borne of enlightenment principles thus why I would classify it as left wing and not far left or right wing. Left wingers believe in nation states and borders, that is not exclusive to the right. Why would you say they don't believe in equality? They clearly thought every German citizen was equal, im not sure why you would say otherwise. Did you mean to say they didn't believe in equity, if so I would agree and that also happens to be the same position of left wingers.
I heavily disagree with race being the most important traditional value, it very clearly has always been religious belief.
Race is important and does play a part in unifying a society, but shared doctrine is the foundation, not race. This is why countries of the same race have civil wars amongst each other.
It's funny you mention Nigeria, I am a white man and my best friend is Nigerian and our friendship grew that way because our religious belief is exactly the same. He came here because Nigeria doesn't have much opportunity and he became a citizen. I know for a fact that amongst the Christian population of Nigeria they would welcome a white Christian as one of their own if they went to live there, but it generally doesn't happen because western countries are better off finacially.
I agree with you about authoritarianism, you are correct in labeling it as an instrument. It is used and has been used by both left and right wing governments.
When you say leftists I take that as Communists, and they absolutely do not want individuals, they want group think, and will use force to crush anyone who disagrees with the group. Historically they focused on the aristocracy, today they focus on crushing white people. They don't think on an individual basis and it has always been a group vs group battle in their minds.
Give me some examples.
On the other hand racial wars happen all the time whenever two races share the same land, look at Africa. Take Rwanda for instance.
No it doesn't happen because they don't let foreigners in. Because only white people's countries have been duped into not seeing race. If you think you could be accepted in Nigeria and nobody would see your skin color, man I have a bridge to sell you.
In Africa they chop and eat albinos in a soup to get magic powers, did you know that?
Oh, forget Africa. Walk into an American ghetto and see what happens. See if they don't care about your race.
Some examples are old testament Israel, French Revolution and the American Revolution. There are many more examples, without knowing the answer though I would bet there are way more idealogical wars among those of the same race than race v race.
You are flat wrong, they do let foreigners in. You seem to be thinking of tribal africans when I said Christian. I agree I would not be welcome among the tribes, But I know for a fact I would be welcome amongst Christians as I was already told I am welcome anytime by Christian Nigerians.
America has been corrupted by communists so no disagreement with you about the ghettos.