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FreedomFromGovt 2 points ago +2 / -0

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. I teach History and political philosophy at the university level in Texas. You sound very much like someone who's been thoroughly indoctrinated in the public school system to believe the exact opposite of what is fact.

The right-end of the political spectrum is absolute, 'sovereign' individualist. These people either won't, or haven't, come together to form society. If no one comes together into groups society, and thus politics, don't exist. And, the more people come closer and closer together in larger and larger groups, the more politics takes place: everything becomes political. Why do you think that big cities are so blue and socialist? Is it because they believe in freedom and individualism??

As people congregate into ever-bigger clusters and everything becomes political (and the drift toward the left-wing takes place because of the 'Overton Window' phenomenon), the individual gradually loses his individuality; he becomes one of the masses, the collective, the mob. The absolute left-end of the political spectrum is comprised of big, lawless, dangerous mobs who simply take what they want and crush any individuals who won't join them or who stand in their way.

Talented demagogues like Robespierre, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet, Soros, etc, who crave power can then use those mobs like a blunt instrument to smash open society, and get what they want out of the system. This is what Antifa and BLM have been doing. Does that sound like right-wing individualism to you??

To begin educating yourself, please read:

Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom. (1943); “The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism,” in The Collected Works of F.A. Hayek. (1991)

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Italians_Invented_2A 0 points ago +1 / -1

Why do you think that big cities are so blue/socialist? Is it because they believe in freedom and individualism?

Because they are full of joggers.

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Italians_Invented_2A 0 points ago +1 / -1

I teach History and political philosophy at the university level in Texas.

Which makes your opinion worth less than a random post on 4chan.

How many of your colleagues are antifa, eh?

Friedrich Hayek

The guy who envisioned a world without borders and nations? He envisioned a one world government, for fuck's sake.

You sound very much like someone who's been thoroughly indoctrinated in the public school system to believe the exact opposite of what is fact.

I think the exact same thing of you.

Tell me professor, why the hell do you think the Marxists are doing everything they can to destroy the family and the national, cultural, and racial identity?

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FreedomFromGovt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Except, I'm in my '60s and have experienced life before the endless politicization of American culture by the left.

How many of my colleagues are Antifa? I'd say, pretty much all of them support it, in one way or another. They've been indoctrinated by the educational system, too. Hitler said "you might be against us, but your children will be for us".

Trust me, just because my colleagues get degrees doesn't mean they have any intellectual wattage whatsoever. And just because everyone in the country is running like lemmings toward social collectivism doesn't mean it's good, desirable or just. Becoming one of the anonymous masses and subsuming your own individuality into the mob has never, ever resulted in the utopia the monsters promise.

You don't like Hayek? Okay, fine. Read something else. Read anything else. Just read. Use your rational faculties to build an independent understanding that isn't based on what you've been taught to parrot.

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FreedomFromGovt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let me stop you for a moment. Feminists are individuals, yes, but they are not individualists; they're collectivists. They don't want a traditional family because it's, well, traditional which they've been propagandized to believe oppresses them; and the patriarchy that heads the traditional family makes them "weak", "dependent" and "marginalized". They've completely abrogated their most magical and profound role: that of lifegiver, for one of sterile, selfless and soulless service to the state. In fact, Eve's name in the Greek Old Testament is Zoe, or 'life'.

It's all horseshit. These women are just looking for excuses for their own inferiority complex. Any woman who wants to achieve will do so in spite of obstacles that have nothing to do with family, husbands, society's expectations, etc. They therefore seek safety and power in numbers. That makes them collectivist. They adopted the women's movement as their substitute "siblings"; the state as their surrogate "husband"; and, the social welfare system as their extended "family". No feminist that I know (I'm in academia, so I know lots of feminists) consider themselves individualists.

In addition, you must remember, as you look at the political spectrum, that philosophical premises do not have to possess their real-life corresponding social movement or political party. Just because we can imagine a theoretical political construct, doesn't mean it's workable in reality. So, just because absolute sovereign individualism exists on the continuum, it's not practical in any sense except as a means to argue for greater respect for individual personhood or for civil rights against the tyranny of an absolutist king or a ravening mob.

This precisely what the 18th c. Enlightenment philosphers did; because at the time, absolute monarchy (in which the executive, legislative and judicial functions of government were concentrated into one sovereign whose authority was unchallengeable) was the right-most point on the spectrum. John Locke and others argued that the sovereignty claimed by the king, alone, was a fundamental condition of all men, who are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, none of which were in the power of the king to take away.

What Locke did, then, was to push the political spectrum even further rightward by arguing for the sovereignty of each individual human being, from whose consent the king derived authority. Can we achieve a government from absolutely sovereign individuals? No. While it's philosophically sound, in practice it's unworkable: absolutely sovereign individuals will not relinquish their independence long enough to form a traditional family, community and nation.

In a concentric cascade of affiliation outward from the 'self', or ego, the family unit is one's first introduction into society proper; then church affiliation; then community, state, and nation, in that order. Leftists want to isolate individuals from their natural social progression in order to put the pieces back together in reverse order so as to create a New Soviet Man whose altruistic selflessness would make him a drone of society. Feminist theory seeks to achieve this same objective by substituting a woman's natural and traditional attachment to her own family for that of the anonymous others of the leftist state.

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can we achieve a government from absolutely sovereign individuals? No. While it's philosophically sound, in practice it's unworkable: absolutely sovereign individuals will not relinquish their independence long enough to form a traditional family, community and nation.

That's what I'm saying. But family, community, and nation, require a collectivist movement to be established and maintained.

The Marxists dismantle the social norms by using the weapon of "individualism" i.e. telling us that we shouldn't care if one guy is a homo, one guy does drugs, one guy is a Muslim, one guy doesn't speak English, one woman hates men and has cats. In other words, they tell us we shouldn't care about what our neighbor does.

So who is the individualist now?

The feminist might associate with others of her own kind, but ideologically she wants to deconstruct social norms because she sees them oppressive of her own individualism. That's why they parade the status of "minorities" and they are in a constant arms race to find the most marginalized to elevate; homos don't work anymore, now they are trannies. Soon they'll be the poor marginalized pedophiles, that the evil white supremacist society prevents from expressing their individualism.

Right wing is not individualism. Right wing is the adherence to conservative social norms, which must be imposed by the State. Libertarians are useful idiots, they are not right wing.

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Italians_Invented_2A 0 points ago +1 / -1

Look, professor.

I love Hayek. I gave The Road to Serfdom to several people to redpill them on the dangers of socialism.

However, Hayek and his dichotomy between individualism and collectivism looks only at the economic dimension. Hayek explains why a centrally planned economy fails in terms of both prosperity and (importantly) freedom. We agree on this.

However, when it comes to envisioning a whole society (i.e. politics) deciding how we decide what and how much to produce is only one problem. What makes a society is also a collection of social norms and accepted behaviors, not to mention the relationship with those outside of our society.

Think of the following issues:

  1. The Saudis using their petrodollars to build thousands of mosques in your country (they do this all over Europe)

  2. China flooding your country with cheap drugs

  3. LGBT lobby grooming children to be homos and getting them HIV in the process

  4. Feminism telling women that men are evil, and to get cats instead of having a family and making children.

If you're for "individualism" you shouldn't care about these things. That's what the Left pushes for. The current Left hates you and attacks you if you oppose any of these issues. They tell you it doesn't affect you and it's not your business what other people do.

A conservative, a right winger, understands that a society cannot survive if any of those issues is left unchecked. A Muslim, a homo, a drug addict, and a feminist will never preserve the kind of freedom of the individuals that you seem to treasure. You must understand this.

Human beings are not just mere economic actors in a textbook. A human spends a lot of his life without the ability to provide for himself: too young, too old, temporarily ill, some disabled, etc.

A feminist is individualist: she doesn't want a family, she doesn't recognize other institutions such as the Church, she probably hates her dad. She has a bullshit degree in gender studies and no work ethic. What do you think she does? She votes for socialism because she's a failure in society and needs the government to take care of her. Good luck explaining her the benefits of the free market.

So I, as a right winger, I'm saying that I do care what religion people in my community follow, if they do drugs, if they have work ethics, if they are homos, etc.

Libertarians are just like communists: they believe in a utopia that can never exist because it ignores human nature.