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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can we achieve a government from absolutely sovereign individuals? No. While it's philosophically sound, in practice it's unworkable: absolutely sovereign individuals will not relinquish their independence long enough to form a traditional family, community and nation.

That's what I'm saying. But family, community, and nation, require a collectivist movement to be established and maintained.

The Marxists dismantle the social norms by using the weapon of "individualism" i.e. telling us that we shouldn't care if one guy is a homo, one guy does drugs, one guy is a Muslim, one guy doesn't speak English, one woman hates men and has cats. In other words, they tell us we shouldn't care about what our neighbor does.

So who is the individualist now?

The feminist might associate with others of her own kind, but ideologically she wants to deconstruct social norms because she sees them oppressive of her own individualism. That's why they parade the status of "minorities" and they are in a constant arms race to find the most marginalized to elevate; homos don't work anymore, now they are trannies. Soon they'll be the poor marginalized pedophiles, that the evil white supremacist society prevents from expressing their individualism.

Right wing is not individualism. Right wing is the adherence to conservative social norms, which must be imposed by the State. Libertarians are useful idiots, they are not right wing.

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FreedomFromGovt 1 point ago +1 / -0

You really need to rethink your premise, starting with the old adage about high school students: they demonstrate their 'individuality' by running with the herd. And, the other truism: leftists tolerate all kinds of diversity as long as they all think alike. It doesn't really matter what feminists believe about themselves, it's how they actually behave. I can believe I'm Mountain Man Mike, infinitely adept at living completely successfully in the wilds all by myself; but it doesn't mean anything, if I'm actually a skinny-jeans hipster living in downtown Cleveland, with a gonky, codependent girlfriend who looks like Olive Oyl. People can claim to be individualist, but if their idea of empowerment involves mass movements, community organizing and group efforts...they are leftists, and leftists are collectivists.

These people are presenting a fake facade at the world and that's what has the normies fooled. Don't be fooled. My worst nemesis in college was a Marxist revisionist historian whom I despised thoroughly; but he gave me the best education of my entire college career. He told me: "don't lose track of the argument...always keep your eye on the ball!!! Leftists will try to bamboozle you with meaningless words, facades, lies and doublethink, but never trust anything but what you see them actually doing.

One of the greatest lies that the left has perpetrated on the public is the notion that the right wing is not individualist, that they're the "real collectivists". They have a two-prong reason for saying this: first, they're able to muddy the water with projection (since they know most Americans are against leftism); and second, they are thus able to argue that since Hitler tolerated religion in his movement, Hitler must've been a rightist! This is completely untrue and a calumny.

But look, the extreme right wing is individualist; the left wing is collectivist. Hardcore leftists don't see, or respect, individuals: all they see are massed demographies to exploit--they've lost sight of the real people that are part of those pet groups they white knight for. They see: "the black community", "the gay community", "the feminist community". They see nothing but **communities", masses, and disadvantaged groups, and they speak, demonstrate and manifest indignation for them. These people are not rightists.

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Italians_Invented_2A 0 points ago +1 / -1

their idea of empowerment involves mass movements, community organizing and group efforts...they are leftists, and leftists are collectivists.

And what would empowerment be, if not a collectivist mass movement? You think a loner who gives up on society and goes live in the woods has power?

You distinguish between left and right based on individualism Vs collectivism. This is wrong, except in the economic spectrum where these terms have different meanings.

This is even worse than wrong. It's a Marxist tactic to prevent us conservatives from organizing and fight back as a collective.

This is why victims of this psyop reach the outrageous conclusion that the Nazis were leftists, even though their whole movement was formed to stop international Marxists and kill communists.

And this is exactly why Trump has been losing every single battle so far. Because Cuckservatives have been duped into thinking that they should be "individualists", there was no significant mass movement / collective effort to hold RINO and courts to their responsibilities.

Black shirts going to the offices of big tech and mainstream media is how we would win. Not by abandoning society and going to live in the fucking woods.

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FreedomFromGovt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Are you incapable of reading and understanding? I've been arguing with you for several days. You seem to be a contrarian, or one who argues simply to exhaust his opponent. Every single goalpost you've moved in the course of our exchanges, I've answered, and more. I've tried to do it in a way that even my freshmen students (who have absolutely no experiences on which I can rely for analogy purposes) would be able to understand. But you deliberately don't want to understand. You're a leftist. Leftists' minds are not open to understanding. I've explained the issue to you in every way I know how.

"Black shirts going to the offices of big tech and mainstream media is how we would win. Not by abandoning society and going to live in the fucking woods." Nobody says we should go into the woods to live alone; but a rightist WILL want to be left alone, while a leftist will group together with other leftists to get their demands met. That is a fact.

A rightist isn't interested in forcing his "demands" on the public; he's usually not interested in winning; he's interested only being left in peace. He's hoping that everyone else has enough self-control to refrain from infringing on him and he'll leave them alone, too. That's why he will try to retreat--even into the woods--if he has to. That's why he owns guns. He knows his desire to be left alone will, at some point, be abused. He's willing to overlook a bunch of little abuses because it's necessary to maintain society. But, there'll be a time when he can no longer tolerate the "long train of abuses & usurpations [leading to] absolute Despotism..." (T. Jefferson, Decl. of Indep.)

When it happens, the rightist knows "it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government..." That's where we are right now. Leftists push and push the envelope of abuses, and the voter fraud was the final straw for the right. Now they're going to push back. The good news is that the right has lots of experience in meeting resistance and they're armed. When the left finally goes too far, which they've done by stealing the election, the right will now push back.

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're a leftist. Leftists' minds are not open to understanding.

And you're a fucking retarded. You're completely incapable of understanding what I've been saying and you cling to the childish ideas of a teenager who wants to be "left alone" because his mom wants to make him eat broccolis.

I've explained the issue to you in every way I know how.

And I understand what you said. I just don't agree. You have the leftist disease of thinking that the whole world would agree with you if only they were educated enough.

No wonder you're a professor. You have to be. Like Evan Sayet explained, you're in a "rhetorical field" which means a field where there is no penalty for being wrong. There is no right or wrong in your profession, and this allows any retarded to be able to do it.

Funny how you think you have some sort of "authority" because you're a professor, i.e. the one profession where you're allowed to reason like a teenager and nobody calls you out on your bullshit:

A rightist isn't interested in forcing his "demands" on the public; he's usually not interested in winning; he's interested only being left in peace.

Your mom didn't let you masturbate in peace or listen to metal music at high volume, so you're now right wing? So you can be left alone?