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posted ago by bubble_bursts ago by bubble_bursts +36 / -1

Having been a former H1B guy myself, I have thought about this a lot. Hate to say it, but contrary to the conventional wisdom (legal immigration is good, illegal immigration bad) I think legal immigration can be bad as well, depending on conditions.

60s, 70s, 80 - there were millions of legal immigrants, mostly outstanding in their field, smart, experts, living the American dream. But where did they all settle? Always in big cities. Cities that have now become the "blue cities". And these elites are the ones at the higher levels of science, technology - the ones selling us down the river with covid, and BLM and great reset and what not.

What happen is that, when they came to this country they never fully assimilated. They still came with the same "anti-colonial" mindset. This sits simmering inside for years, and takes on the form of superiority complex when compared to the locals.

These are the people who keep voting in democratic, and embrace the wokeness or BLM or whatever else new fad that has to do with anti-American, without actually saying it as such. These are the people who give somuch power to the democratic machine, the pwoer of widespread corruption we are seeing so clearly now, that it paves the way to bringin the illegals and terrorists en-masse.

I think legal immigration cannot be avoided, but great care must be taken to assimilate and ensure the people coming in dont hold grudges.

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Italians_Invented_2A 7 points ago +7 / -0

The real problem is birthright citizenship and naturalization.

One should become a citizen of a nation by blood only (i.e. being born from at least 1 citizen).

The idea of giving citizenship away to anyone who arrived in the country, or their descendants, it's the death of nations and Western Civilization.

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Akka 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hm. You wouldn't take somebody like Lauri Törni/Larry Thorne either?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

What do you mean with "take"?

I'm not necessarily against immigrants; I just don't believe they should ever be able to vote in the country where they arrive.

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Akka 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just pondering. Sometimes it seems that the ones who most strongly stand against the left are people who managed to get away from socialist or communist countries, or who, like Törni, had lived where they could fully see what that means. Lost votes for your side if you would not let them vote.

But yes, there is a problem too. I know one immigrant who has birthright citizenship because her American mother still had hers when she was born, and who moved to USA in her thirties. But she is, from what I know about her, about as blue as you can get, at least she seemed quite happy about the idea of a Biden presidency on social media.

Maybe getting the right to vote and full citizenship should just be rather more demanding, and take longer, not something that is just given if you decide to stay and keep your nose clean for a few years. Demand something like what voting requires in Starship Troopers (Heinlein's book, not that stupid movie), military or other service to the country.

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

The considerations on who votes for what are of secondary importance. The principle is that a foreigner should not interfere with the country they decide to go and live in.

And a foreigner will always be a foreigner, and their children will always be foreigners.

My position is based on the conservative ideology that society is based on families, and not individuals. So if your grandparents fought in wars to defend America, you inherit their goodwill.

A nation should be inherited by its citizens just like a person inherits his family's stuff.

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TylerD 1 point ago +2 / -1

This wouldn't be a problems if there is a party that maintains the ideological core of the country. One wants more profits and one wants to use the immigrants as vote banks. Unless this changes, the country will lose its identity.

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bubble_bursts [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I believe USA is one of the very few countries that does this. However, it wont solve the problem because the second generation is still a problem. Without assimilation and truly loving a country, you can never become part of it, even after a generation.

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

Re-read my post.

No citizenship for second generation. Citizenship by blood only, is what I believe is necessary to save Western civilization.

If a mouse is born in a stable, it doesn't make it a horse. If a mouse is born from another mouse who was born in that stable, it's still not a horse.

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fuckallcommunists22 2 points ago +2 / -0

And women voting

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Pizzazz 2 points ago +2 / -0

They still came with the same "anti-colonial" mindset

Ironic since what you're describing is a new wave of colonization of this land.

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bubble_bursts [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Its is, because anti-colonial is a revenge mindset for the colonialisation that happened in the past. Just like anti-racism = racism, anti-colonial = colonisation.

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John789 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why would they hold grudges?

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bubble_bursts [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

A lot of immigration happens from countries that were colonised by the "white man". Thats where the grudge comes form. It is ironic, because again - the colonisation happened by the same elites who have always tried to destroy the white christians.

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SMEOwner 1 point ago +1 / -0

The democrat machine gives power to itself by cheating, has nothing to do with immigrants

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bubble_bursts [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree with this. Every conflict is created by the Globalists. And then they go and fuel the grievances against others and get them to fight.

I guess the real solution is for everyone and I mean every single human being in the world to wakeup and learn this. Great Awakening.