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posted ago by tdwinner2020 ago by tdwinner2020 +27 / -0

Title. Turns out the whole of government is the swamp, and it's as deep and never ending as it has to be.

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LivingLegend2 2 points ago +3 / -1

Yes they have to vote based on the states electoral delegation. Which stands at 27 (R) and 23 (D)

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tdwinner2020 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

The representatives are free to vote however they wish. Do you think no Republican representatives would vote for Biden? After closing ranks with the democrats and passing that awful bill?

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giggitybooped 2 points ago +2 / -0

Republicans don't care about us. They care about getting power back and beating back this wave of Trump supporters.

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Trouble07 2 points ago +2 / -0

They have to vote according to party lines is what i have heard (according to many sources that give dodgy explanations as to why). I have read this multiple times now but I do believe that the single rep each state gets is allowed to abstain which was something new I had found yesterday. I still need to find an article I trust on this process. If I do I will be sure to post it. I keep seeing this mentioned but not in any source I trust that links to actual law.

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Buildtheadytum 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah, people keep saying this, and it's based on nothing.

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tdwinner2020 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Right, it's nonsense that gets repeated by people who can't bother to read the Constitution (it's tiny).

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Trouble07 1 point ago +1 / -0

Im still trying to find out if it is or not. I found it odd MSM was sayijg early on that if it goes to house vote :Trump wins: ....not even that he MIGHT win. Just that he wins. Several people who state this say it as though its a foregone conclusion and that wording is very rare. Especially in msm so I think it has teeth I just want to find something explaining it better

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tdwinner2020 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, they do not have to vote along party lines. They have to vote by State. Each State's delegation of representatives first votes among themselves, then they cast a single vote for the whole State according to the vote within the delegation. So say some State has 5 representatives, they'd vote for Biden or Trump among themselves, say 3-2 for Biden, then they would cast one vote for Biden in that example. All of that is in the Constitution, in the 12th amendment:

... and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

The 20th amendment changes things only just a little bit, mostly the relevant dates.

I'm not sure how it works when the vote within a delegation is tied, like if a State has 4 representatives and they split 2-2, but evidently Congress has a great deal of power to specify what to do in such cases, provided they've done so by statute before the situation arises. You'd have to check the U.S. code, but this is really inside baseball now.

The Constitution doesn't even acknowledge anything as a "party", doesn't mention it. I suppose Congress could have passed a statute requiring partisan voting in a contingent election, but they wouldn't have, and they could rightly ignore such a statute as it could not bind future Congresses out of their constitutional rights and duties.

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Trouble07 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you for finding something with some clarity!

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tdwinner2020 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're welcome!