You're giving the democrat base too much credit. They are all hitting "refresh" on cnn's website waiting to be told what to think about Trump vetoing the bill.
Well, what a hypocritical cunt, although I shouldn't be surprised. Although I also wouldn't be surprised if she voted for it before she found out what's in it.
She's just playing the game and taking advantage of low info voters. Also she knows she has to tow party lines at the end of the day or else her political career goes in the gutter.
Nah typical say one thing to do the opposite she knows her base will verify if she voted for or against it. See this is one thing twitter could do and I'd like it, politician talk about bill and twitter marks how they voted for said bill. That'd be useful instead of the dispoot labels
Yeah, she got there by answering a casting call. She's definitely a pawn. Some here say that she is a true believer, though, and goes off script from time to time. There might be something to that, although I don't think, like they did, that we could ever ally with her. She's putting our names on lists.
They're just spinning it to blame the Republicans for the $600 amount. Though I did like an analogy Tim Pool gave: Democrats want to burn the house down, Republicans compromise on letting them burn down "just" one room.
I concluded that they are, in fact, retarded. Yes, just a bunch of retarded crooks. Sad. Explains why Joe and Hillary hate black people. Have a very spicy, very not safe for work, and very politically incorrect meme from 4chan to explain this:
Actual reality is a bit more nuanced. The democrat midwits act like the low IQ retards, while pretending to not be racist. Their actions and things they say would make a stereotyped 4channer proud, but alas, they are midwit crooks, and thus, retarded. They are crooks for fooling the people they hate into voting for them. They are crooks for selling out our country to Chinese communists. They are crooks for trying to steal an election and get away with it, then double down, like nothing happened. The traitors must hang.
Its not that they're retarded(they are), but its that they know they can do anything they want and get away with it. They cant be "voted out" because we just got definitive proof that our votes dont matter.
They also blow up nuclear reactors, apartment buildings, airplanes, and steel skyscrapers.
Failing to mention their greatest hits and focusing on their failure to sink the liberty is like introducing Michael Phelps as an Olympic swimmer who won a bronze medal. What about the dozens of gold medals?
Not only all the pork, there's a ton of bullshit in there like making it a felony to stream pirated movies, forcing USPS to ban shipment of vape-related products (yeah they don't need the revenue!), and God knows what else.
I vape and am just hearing this. These bastards have been attacking this wonderful industry for years. It breaks my heart because in the beginning you had SO many jobs created, SO much creativity and new products, and the prices were incredibly low. The longer it's been around it just keeps getting more expensive and options going away thanks to government. How the vaping industry used to be, is how all industry would be in America if the government would get out of the way and let capitalism work.
My girlfriend works at a vape shop. She is being hit hard, but able to work a couple days a week.
The only thing that needed to be rectified were bad Chinese-made shit that was causing sickness and popcorn lung, not all flavored juices or all vaping in general.
Pisses me the fuck off, since she's actually at risk too. And all they can give her is $600..and I don't even think she got to claim the other stimulus before.
They--the mostly democrat swamps things and swamp hopefuls-- through local municipality bans, the FDA, etc., created a black market with vape products that included oils in liquids that caused deaths and lung injuries. The Chinese jumped right in on this with both feet, by the way.
They then tried to pin this blame on the legit vape industry! All that a sensible person had to do was look at Europe where there was not one death or injury to see what a crock of shit that was.
But it didn't matter to them. They created the panic in the public's mind, wrapped it in the usual 'for the childrun' bullshit, and dealt economic blows to small businesses.
Big tabocca and blue state govoners who have been losing tax revenue due to less people smoking and more people vaping. They would rather you die of cancer than lose even a dollar in tax revenue.
Make sure you don't buy vape oil from other countries, pede. Buying online can get you non-FDA approved chemicals that cause the liver problems from vaping. Also, why not help your fellow americans out anyway? 'Murica!
Yup and it's a multi-pronged approach to destroy the industry and get people back to smoking or big pharma's offerings: through the FDA with ridiculous cost and nonsense regulations of PMTA, local city bans that have shuttered shops and businesses, and now through the USPS.
They're fucking disgusting. This was Dianne Feinstein's pet bill that never went anywhere in the House or Senate. So she snuck it through omnibus.
The swamp things want to destroy an industry that on the American side of things is 99% small and medium sized businesses, and this has been their intent for years now with big tobacco and big pharma.
Fed Ex announced simultaneously they will ban vape related products, even with zero nicotine in them, starting in March 2021. They are cucks. They are with the swamp.
UPS is ridiculously expensive, but even more importantly do not have the network to reach all of America like USPS can. Even Fed Ex used USPS for hard to reach areas. It's an opportunity though and I hope they take advantage of it, or some other entrepreneurs do.
Ultimately this hurts people in remote areas with poor access, or older people who have trouble treking to physical shops, who have quit smoking. Democrats and RINOs are happy to see them go back to smoking.
I’m going to call bullshit on that. For $60+ billion I would fuck hilary. Then I would fund lawsuits against the government/tech/media corporations. Then I would buy an ammo manufacturer, expand and double production. I would start a patriot’s college. I would pay the cost of adoption for patriots that want to adopt can’t afford it. I would keep about $5,000,000 and basically give away the rest to Americans and charities that love this country and want it to succeed.
If you couldn’t take one for the team for the kind of money that can change thousands of lives, or give families generations of breathing room, you aren’t a true patriot. With that kind of money you could run for president yourself and make the kinds of changes that could make not only this country but the world a better place.
The money never existed. Worse when they make it up out of thin air, it’ll make the money you’ve worked your whole life to earn worth even less through inflation. Yay “stimulus” bills! /s
Ultimately speaking the amount of money given out is just a bandaid and we just need to re-open the economy instead of just printing money and causing inflation.
I agree but I disagree. Libertarian constitutionalist... I don't want the government handing out welfare to citizens. But as recognizing the war we are in Vs. the deep state, I have become more willing to put those principles aside. Trump needs the public support and this will hopefully get it. But I agree with you on principle.
I do want us to open up, but I'm not exactly a fan of the federal government stepping in and telling states to close down or open up. It should be left up to the local governments.
Of course it sucks if you have a shitty local government, but crawling to the federal government asking for help is a pretty terrible idea no matter who is in charge.
Preach. Does the local government have the right to enslave innocent people in their own house? I don't fucking think so. This is about American rights not state's rights.
Really missing the point of my post. I'm not talking about some imaginary libertarian future or whatever you're going on about, I'm talking about how things are structured today.
I’m Canadian and I can see President Trump is the greatest President America has had. Maybe other than our Savior the greatest leader the world has seen.
He WILL be inaugurated on 20Jsn2021.
CanPede here too. Washington only because hes the OG but the founding fathers gave these guys the tools. Don is just first president to pick them up in awhile. I think the Constitution is the most powerful document on the planet after the Bible.
I don't necessarily like Washington, he was a high level mason but I'll give him credit where it is due. He did help to create a great country and enstore freedomm and liberty. Top 5 imo. Trump-Jefferson-Reagan-?-?
4 and 5 are a Washington, Nixon tossup. I don't think Nixon did anything wrong with Watergate if it even happened.
Basically, it's counter-optics so they can't say he's trying to stop people from getting covid relief when it's actually about all the other shit they tried to slip through.
"needs testing" should only be for private charity.
When it comes to government, the law/gov should be like the statue in front of SCOTUS, blindfolded. All citizens equal.
This also greatly simplifies and reduces corruption, because the need for paperpushers/bureaucrats that do the "needs testing" go away; as does all the "sign over all your rights" just to do something like apply for FoodStamps.
People that don't "need" the benefit, can either not use it (like not walking down the sidewalk, driving down the street, not using the Park, or library); save it; or give it to someone who does (aka turns into Private charity choices that way it should be.)
Yes, it is possible to structure things, Strictly-Constitutionally Republican, that are completely opposite of Leftie things like UBI, FreeStuff, TheFED printing presses devaluing things, Obamacare/Single-Payer, etc. and which better accomplish the stated goals of a "minimum standard of living" which no American can involuntarily fall below, which doesn't require "redistributionist/Marxist crap". Thus we can drain the swamp, remove marxism, and MAGA into another Golden Age!
He said $2,000 per person or $4,000 per couple. Which is still $2,000 per person. What do we get for kids? Now I know how the welfare grifters feel getting my tax dollar every month
I hate that we are all talking like this. If we are at all in danger of a warfare with china we will need every ounce of credit we can muster. Paying our citizens and foreign entities money we don't have is only helping our enemies right now.
Remove the income cap as well. It base off of 2019 income so you could have lost your job at the start, and not get it base off your if worked in 2019.
None of the price tags matter until they change the earning brackets back for these checks and remove illegals from the bill.
This bill changed the brackets from 100k to 75k for individuals and 150k to 99k for couples. If they're going off of the 2018/2019 tax returns for these checks like they did in the first one, the price of the checks won't matter. A lot of people who lost their jobs aren't going to get money because of these new brackets and they may add the illegals into the bulk payment structure instead of making them a separate classification.
Corporations are profiting billions and want more bail outs, meanwhile middle street America is losing their jobs, their businesses, their houses, their lives, enough is enough.
They don't want to fight it. They want to turn you guys into people begging for money from the central bank. They want to turn you into people who think printing money actually does anything positive for anyone but them.
If anyone missed it, the politicians don't give a shit about us. They just stole the biggest election in history in plain sight. Why would the care about ramming this bill through.
And where is Biden....getting spoonfed his Gerber's pea puree and getting his chin wiped. Useless fuck. Biden described as "DC's most prolific grifter." Best desc. I've seen so far. The suit is worth more than the man.
Trump wins this either way. If they cave to his demand then he's the hero. If they don't and push this bullshit through again after he vetoes then they become the villains and he can say he tried. These fucking idiots set themselves up for failure every time
Holy shit they overplayed their hand and gave Trump the perfect opportunity to get the public’s support going into crunch time.
The retards don't even realise the idiot democrat base PROBABLY isn't dumb enough to take the bait on this one.
They wanted socialism. Payment money monthly forever. Now they get $600.
Why is congress mentally retarded? They're not even trying to bribe their own base anymore??
You're giving the democrat base too much credit. They are all hitting "refresh" on cnn's website waiting to be told what to think about Trump vetoing the bill.
I don't know, even AOC was against it.
And still voted for it
Well, what a hypocritical cunt, although I shouldn't be surprised. Although I also wouldn't be surprised if she voted for it before she found out what's in it.
What do the hieroglyphs mean, Mason?!?!?
They're words, ma'am.
She's just playing the game and taking advantage of low info voters. Also she knows she has to tow party lines at the end of the day or else her political career goes in the gutter.
Nah typical say one thing to do the opposite she knows her base will verify if she voted for or against it. See this is one thing twitter could do and I'd like it, politician talk about bill and twitter marks how they voted for said bill. That'd be useful instead of the dispoot labels
At the end of the day AOC is just a pawn. She is a Justice Democrat and reports to men behind the curtains.
Yeah, she got there by answering a casting call. She's definitely a pawn. Some here say that she is a true believer, though, and goes off script from time to time. There might be something to that, although I don't think, like they did, that we could ever ally with her. She's putting our names on lists.
Their base is the corporations in that bill that get all the money.
They're just spinning it to blame the Republicans for the $600 amount. Though I did like an analogy Tim Pool gave: Democrats want to burn the house down, Republicans compromise on letting them burn down "just" one room.
I concluded that they are, in fact, retarded. Yes, just a bunch of retarded crooks. Sad. Explains why Joe and Hillary hate black people. Have a very spicy, very not safe for work, and very politically incorrect meme from 4chan to explain this:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/927/926/daf.jpg
Actual reality is a bit more nuanced. The democrat midwits act like the low IQ retards, while pretending to not be racist. Their actions and things they say would make a stereotyped 4channer proud, but alas, they are midwit crooks, and thus, retarded. They are crooks for fooling the people they hate into voting for them. They are crooks for selling out our country to Chinese communists. They are crooks for trying to steal an election and get away with it, then double down, like nothing happened. The traitors must hang.
Its not that they're retarded(they are), but its that they know they can do anything they want and get away with it. They cant be "voted out" because we just got definitive proof that our votes dont matter.
DEEEEBOOOOOONKED!!!!!
Checkmate Motherfuckers
He told them to take out all the other stuff too.
That would be pork
Except that half-billion to Israel, of course. That we can all agree should stay. /s
Hey give em a little credit. They’ve been known to blow up US Navy technical research ships in addition to sandies.
They also blow up nuclear reactors, apartment buildings, airplanes, and steel skyscrapers.
Failing to mention their greatest hits and focusing on their failure to sink the liberty is like introducing Michael Phelps as an Olympic swimmer who won a bronze medal. What about the dozens of gold medals?
Hahaha. Well put.
I'm going to say this:
Israel getting that money makes FAR more sense than anything else on that fuckin' list. That says something about how stupid that bill is.
No it doesn't. Covid relief for the American people has nothing to with Israel. Clean bills are a must.
Read.
The.
Post.
Again.
I did. Giving Israel money makes just as much sense as giving Libya money. Absolutely none. This is for the american people and them only.
Israel's people are more valuable to the US than American people, that is FOR SURE
They’re not called (by themselves, humbly) The Chosen People™ for nothin’
Not only all the pork, there's a ton of bullshit in there like making it a felony to stream pirated movies, forcing USPS to ban shipment of vape-related products (yeah they don't need the revenue!), and God knows what else.
Wow, I didn't catch the USPS shit. What the fuck, that destroys an entire business and reeks of big tobacco
I vape and am just hearing this. These bastards have been attacking this wonderful industry for years. It breaks my heart because in the beginning you had SO many jobs created, SO much creativity and new products, and the prices were incredibly low. The longer it's been around it just keeps getting more expensive and options going away thanks to government. How the vaping industry used to be, is how all industry would be in America if the government would get out of the way and let capitalism work.
My girlfriend works at a vape shop. She is being hit hard, but able to work a couple days a week.
The only thing that needed to be rectified were bad Chinese-made shit that was causing sickness and popcorn lung, not all flavored juices or all vaping in general.
Pisses me the fuck off, since she's actually at risk too. And all they can give her is $600..and I don't even think she got to claim the other stimulus before.
They--the mostly democrat swamps things and swamp hopefuls-- through local municipality bans, the FDA, etc., created a black market with vape products that included oils in liquids that caused deaths and lung injuries. The Chinese jumped right in on this with both feet, by the way.
They then tried to pin this blame on the legit vape industry! All that a sensible person had to do was look at Europe where there was not one death or injury to see what a crock of shit that was.
But it didn't matter to them. They created the panic in the public's mind, wrapped it in the usual 'for the childrun' bullshit, and dealt economic blows to small businesses.
Big tabocca and blue state govoners who have been losing tax revenue due to less people smoking and more people vaping. They would rather you die of cancer than lose even a dollar in tax revenue.
Make sure you don't buy vape oil from other countries, pede. Buying online can get you non-FDA approved chemicals that cause the liver problems from vaping. Also, why not help your fellow americans out anyway? 'Murica!
If they can't tax it, destroy it.
Yup and it's a multi-pronged approach to destroy the industry and get people back to smoking or big pharma's offerings: through the FDA with ridiculous cost and nonsense regulations of PMTA, local city bans that have shuttered shops and businesses, and now through the USPS.
They're fucking disgusting. This was Dianne Feinstein's pet bill that never went anywhere in the House or Senate. So she snuck it through omnibus.
The swamp things want to destroy an industry that on the American side of things is 99% small and medium sized businesses, and this has been their intent for years now with big tobacco and big pharma.
If USPS doesn't do it UPS and FEDEX will happily take the business.
Weren't they just whining about the USPS going broke? Now they want to take out a revenue stream from them?
Fucking morons are the least consistent bunch ever. But I guess they are woefully consistent at being corrupt as fuck.
Fed Ex announced simultaneously they will ban vape related products, even with zero nicotine in them, starting in March 2021. They are cucks. They are with the swamp.
UPS is ridiculously expensive, but even more importantly do not have the network to reach all of America like USPS can. Even Fed Ex used USPS for hard to reach areas. It's an opportunity though and I hope they take advantage of it, or some other entrepreneurs do.
Ultimately this hurts people in remote areas with poor access, or older people who have trouble treking to physical shops, who have quit smoking. Democrats and RINOs are happy to see them go back to smoking.
3 million to study gender disparity in statues, I kid you not......
SMDH. Gotta keep the useless commie gender study graduates "employed".
So, that's $2000 if you're single, and $4000 if you're a married woman?
Most men are... Unfortunately. That includes simps on this forum.
Their is a lot of simps here lol. The amount of people I see saying they'd hate fuck aoc is disgusting lol.
I wouldn't touch that rotten commie if you offered me all of Jeff bozos wealth hahahaha
I’m going to call bullshit on that. For $60+ billion I would fuck hilary. Then I would fund lawsuits against the government/tech/media corporations. Then I would buy an ammo manufacturer, expand and double production. I would start a patriot’s college. I would pay the cost of adoption for patriots that want to adopt can’t afford it. I would keep about $5,000,000 and basically give away the rest to Americans and charities that love this country and want it to succeed.
If you couldn’t take one for the team for the kind of money that can change thousands of lives, or give families generations of breathing room, you aren’t a true patriot. With that kind of money you could run for president yourself and make the kinds of changes that could make not only this country but the world a better place.
At least the situation happening is making people like us see it and we end up doing the complete opposite lmao
speak for urself lol
For 60 billion? I'm in
Every horse deserves a carrot once in a while
id say she looks like a horse, but id probably be more attracted to the horse. and thats saying something.
They can't even say "The American people need that money NOW!" because Congress spent the past 6 months doing nothing.
Correction. 9 months sitting on their ass since the CARES act passed.
The money never existed. Worse when they make it up out of thin air, it’ll make the money you’ve worked your whole life to earn worth even less through inflation. Yay “stimulus” bills! /s
Hopefully when he says person he means only naturally born citizens.
So, none for 0bama
I love this place.
KEK
Or K.H.
Any taxpayer can claim the $ on next year's taxes, regardless of where they were born, The IRS does not discriminate.
I'm pretty sure he said person not alien. I put my foil hat on before going down south just in case.
Ultimately speaking the amount of money given out is just a bandaid and we just need to re-open the economy instead of just printing money and causing inflation.
I agree but I disagree. Libertarian constitutionalist... I don't want the government handing out welfare to citizens. But as recognizing the war we are in Vs. the deep state, I have become more willing to put those principles aside. Trump needs the public support and this will hopefully get it. But I agree with you on principle.
At the end of the day, this is a solution to a problem caused BY the government
They’re the ones who forced businesses to close. Now they’re bailing them out.
Plus all the other shit. What does movie streaming, vaping and gender study research have to do with Covid? Disgraceful
That will happen fast once he's back in.
I do want us to open up, but I'm not exactly a fan of the federal government stepping in and telling states to close down or open up. It should be left up to the local governments.
Of course it sucks if you have a shitty local government, but crawling to the federal government asking for help is a pretty terrible idea no matter who is in charge.
Fuck the local government. The decision to open or close should be up to the individuals.
Preach. Does the local government have the right to enslave innocent people in their own house? I don't fucking think so. This is about American rights not state's rights.
Really missing the point of my post. I'm not talking about some imaginary libertarian future or whatever you're going on about, I'm talking about how things are structured today.
This cannot be stressed enough....
the best stimulus is letting people go back to work. fuck this stimulus.
I totally agree. This lockdown BS is causing our garbage government to write checks that taxpayers can't pay.
right whats the US debt ratio with this bill, 120% of GDP? how fucked up is that?
This. It's the government and their policies that created this mess......
I’m Canadian and I can see President Trump is the greatest President America has had. Maybe other than our Savior the greatest leader the world has seen. He WILL be inaugurated on 20Jsn2021.
CanPede here too. Washington only because hes the OG but the founding fathers gave these guys the tools. Don is just first president to pick them up in awhile. I think the Constitution is the most powerful document on the planet after the Bible.
I don't necessarily like Washington, he was a high level mason but I'll give him credit where it is due. He did help to create a great country and enstore freedomm and liberty. Top 5 imo. Trump-Jefferson-Reagan-?-?
4 and 5 are a Washington, Nixon tossup. I don't think Nixon did anything wrong with Watergate if it even happened.
What will the Pakistanis do about their gender studies?
Nothing. They will just use the right pronoun before their next "honor" killing.....
Twitter is really Trumps best frenemy to speak to The People.
"Maybe make these jackals work for us." Lt. Traxler (Paul Winfield)
Basically, it's counter-optics so they can't say he's trying to stop people from getting covid relief when it's actually about all the other shit they tried to slip through.
Take all of the stimulus that was supposed to go to Democrats and redistribute them to small businesses. Socialism, right?
I hope Trumps team knows about the bit on trying to nullify the insurrection act on page 5893 of the bill.
Good good
Few Redpills:
"needs testing" should only be for private charity.
When it comes to government, the law/gov should be like the statue in front of SCOTUS, blindfolded. All citizens equal.
This also greatly simplifies and reduces corruption, because the need for paperpushers/bureaucrats that do the "needs testing" go away; as does all the "sign over all your rights" just to do something like apply for FoodStamps.
People that don't "need" the benefit, can either not use it (like not walking down the sidewalk, driving down the street, not using the Park, or library); save it; or give it to someone who does (aka turns into Private charity choices that way it should be.)
Yes, it is possible to structure things, Strictly-Constitutionally Republican, that are completely opposite of Leftie things like UBI, FreeStuff, TheFED printing presses devaluing things, Obamacare/Single-Payer, etc. and which better accomplish the stated goals of a "minimum standard of living" which no American can involuntarily fall below, which doesn't require "redistributionist/Marxist crap". Thus we can drain the swamp, remove marxism, and MAGA into another Golden Age!
He said $2,000 per person or $4,000 per couple. Which is still $2,000 per person. What do we get for kids? Now I know how the welfare grifters feel getting my tax dollar every month
Be happy with that and take care of your own kids. I'm done paying for them.
He was speaking off the cuff, I imagine it'd still be 1k or something per kid.
Probably at least $1500 per kid.
Single parent..
I'd rather nobody get anything than to give all the random countries handouts. Or tax cuts instead ffs.
I hate that we are all talking like this. If we are at all in danger of a warfare with china we will need every ounce of credit we can muster. Paying our citizens and foreign entities money we don't have is only helping our enemies right now.
Payments to Americans not “ideas”
Embezzlement, not pork. This is an info war and changing the language confuses the normies. They will think it's talking about bacon and not trason.
Did he really say this or is this wishful thinking?
Literally said it in a speech today talking about the bullshit covid bill.
Yeah he really said it.
Also said the “if the bill isn’t passed the next administration will have to pass it, which will be me”
*might be me
Absolute genius
WITH NO INCOME LIMIT. IF YOU'RE A CITIZEN, YOU GET THE STIMULUS.
Remove the income cap as well. It base off of 2019 income so you could have lost your job at the start, and not get it base off your if worked in 2019.
None of the price tags matter until they change the earning brackets back for these checks and remove illegals from the bill.
This bill changed the brackets from 100k to 75k for individuals and 150k to 99k for couples. If they're going off of the 2018/2019 tax returns for these checks like they did in the first one, the price of the checks won't matter. A lot of people who lost their jobs aren't going to get money because of these new brackets and they may add the illegals into the bulk payment structure instead of making them a separate classification.
Taking Bids Now on the beautiful 245 year old Nation
Ladies and Gentleman. we have a bidding war, and the highest bid goes to the Hurting America Public.
We've got $600, now I hear $2000, can I get $2500? $2500?, $2750 in the back, can I get $3000, going once..
They are making me fight. When the worse happens they will not understand why it happened.
Corporations are profiting billions and want more bail outs, meanwhile middle street America is losing their jobs, their businesses, their houses, their lives, enough is enough.
Catturd is wise, by like, a lot.
Just relief, nothing else, no elitist bull crap snuck in
They don't want to fight it. They want to turn you guys into people begging for money from the central bank. They want to turn you into people who think printing money actually does anything positive for anyone but them.
Oh yeah and take out the clause that invalidates the Insurrection Act while you're at it.
Can the pork!
If anyone missed it, the politicians don't give a shit about us. They just stole the biggest election in history in plain sight. Why would the care about ramming this bill through.
Amazing to see liberals in /r/politics on reddit suddenly becoming fiscal conservatives.....
And where is Biden....getting spoonfed his Gerber's pea puree and getting his chin wiped. Useless fuck. Biden described as "DC's most prolific grifter." Best desc. I've seen so far. The suit is worth more than the man.
Trump wins this either way. If they cave to his demand then he's the hero. If they don't and push this bullshit through again after he vetoes then they become the villains and he can say he tried. These fucking idiots set themselves up for failure every time
And no illegals
The whole thing was nothing but pure pork might as well just say give them their fucking money or else
Bbbbut muh gender programs in pakistan!?