To me it seems odd. Basically any outgoing VP can simply do this if his side didn’t win. He could just make up some BS about the states he needs to win. Obviously this year is different with all the cheating but seems too easy. We shall see. If it’s possible he needs to do it. Fuck them.
Well, considering for the first time in over 125 yrs states have sent multiple electors... I do not see a big stretch of the VP refusing all of them - keeping either candidate from reaching 270.
First of all, if a VP did that without good reason they would just be impeached. They are still held accountable to the people. Second, if he does this to change the outcome, it just goes to the house to vote by state delegation as no candidate would have 270. So again, it goes to the representatives to make the call and isn't just in the hands of one person with no accountability or checks and balances. This seems like another safeguard intended for extreme circumstances like we find ourselves in today. They have broken through many layers of protections already, let's see if they can break through them all or if we will hold the line.
No, you MUST have grounds to do this. Simply claiming fraud will not let you be able to do this. Fraud nullifies everything and we've demenstrated a litany of it, we've pulled out all the stops. It was a great performance, let's see him follow through. The only man I trust right now is Trump, until I see action, not words, from Pence.
so you're one of those people who thinks hoping and wishing makes a difference what other people with power and authority do? i see.
it's kind of sick how you people have called people "doomers" left and right when we tried to warn you that this or that kraken or MOAB or court case wouldn't give us a win, and time and time again we turned out to be correct and you idiots turned out to be wrong. you seem to think your feelings affect outcomes and time and time again you never learn.
Never have I used that term but feel free to think as you will. I take these news with a grain of salt but don't automatically rule them invalid. Seems as though you have a problem with my level of optimism and that's your own problem.
clowns here have had 'optimism' in judges doing the right thing and called people who said they wouldn't "doomers" for over a month. your optimism didn't change anything and us "doomers" were correct.
same thing for krakens, for all the MOABs the turned out to be nothing burgers, for rinos on the federal and state level, who did nothing actually important to help trump. your feelings did nothing to affect change. your feelings did not get those people to do the right thing. your feelings do nothing. this is the real world we live in, and it's run by shitrats.
pence isn't one of them, but the idea that he can just single handedly wave a magic wand and make sure trump stays in office is just more wishful thinking.
And Grenell. Sometimes it feels like those were his only good picks though. Not really blaming him; even I thought some of the other picks were great at the time, like Mattis. So many snakes.
The well was poisoned well before he probably even considered running for president. These mitherfuckers tried to steal our country from us and must be stopped at any and all costs.
Everyone's like, "why did he wait 4 years to show this energy?"
He didn't. He always had this energy. He's the silver fox. The fox doesn't just bum rush into danger. That's what the Lion does; that's what Trump does.
The fox is cunning. The fox has strategies. The plans its course of attack. But once the fox starts to bare its fangs, and growl at you. That's when you realize, its too late, and you've already lost.
No doubt he probably had offers of hundreds of millions to stab Trump in the back, and has had his family safety threatened constantly. A true man of God staying loyal to the President who trusted him to the fullest.
Bernie would have conceded Nov 7th while they were still finding votes for Biden, and bought his next additional vacation home by now.
Remember when the hollywood asses tape came out and the GOP ran away from Trump & diverted funds to the downballot candidates instead of Trump, yet Pence didn't waver at all despite all the suggestions he would quit the ballot?
The RINO party was the only party that existed until recently. That being said, he was always ideologically aligned with the more respectable part of the GOP, AKA Freedom Caucus members
I saw something from fake news saying that Pence and Trump were "fighting" over Jan 6th. But, oh look, later that same article they were both hanging out at the golf field.
The fox waits until the right moment to strike he chicken coop..waiting in the shadows. So cunning....and then it strikes. And when it does, it does bigly. Nothing left behind. No mercy.
What are you talking about? Didnt they try to smear him as a sexist when he demolished heels up on stage? And let's not forget the dreaded anti-lgbtqqippia2 stuff
Truth be told he was a negotiating chip for Trump to be accepted to be the nominee.
Pence also received one of the famous envelopes at HW's funeral. He was in the club and potentially even an insurance plan.
I love how Pence has backed our GEOTUS, but truth be told his place in the establishment could have been really bad for us. I do believe he has seen the light and can be trusted now, but it's important we remain cautious with anybody other than the man himself.
In every position of power you'd be called a fool to not rely on the people around you who you appoint and trust to handle their shit. Trump learned this in the private sector, you have to do your best to determine the most loyal capable option and then just let them do their job.
Both Trump and Pence can't be everywhere at once it's simply not possible you have to trust your people. Ultimately yes many of their appointments failed but they had no other option, it's not their fault that snakes and lobbyists are seducing every single staffer with bribes or threats as soon as they are even indirectly connected to Trump.
This isn't the Mafia you can't just have a blood oath and murder anyone disloyal, if someone is disloyal the best they can do is fire them after the damage is already done. If we were a dictatorship of course they could murder or lockup anyone who flips, but that's literally the only way to avoid deep staters you'd have to go full authoritarian and that's not the country we live in. Unfortunately these staffers have freedom to turn on our President and there's not much you can do after the fact. I do think many were loyal initially then the deep state compromises them and they're fucked.
Supposedly Pence is going to return the slates tendered by the battleground states back to their legislatures as illegal and ask them to tender legal slates. Hope he does!
This is unchartered territory, which is why you are hearing a lot of legal mumbo jumbo. Short of a hot Civil War, which I don't think anyone wants, it is a tough job finding a legal way forward
Morally Pence must do the right thing, if abortion is to be kept in check. If he doesn't save the presidency for Trump and America, he has blood on his hands and his soul is severely injured.
If Pence pulls this off then there’s no other choice for 2024. His redemption arc will be complete and he will be able to institutionalize MAGA in a way that a firebrand revolutionary like Trump can’t. Trump job is to define the movement, Pence’s will be to make it permanent.
If Trump prevails against the fraud, Pence is VP 2021-2025 and has a good shot at the title in 2024, maybe with DJTJr as VP on the ticket.
If the fraud holds, but there's a miracle and we have a clean election again, Trump could come back in 2024 with Pence, but leaving Pence without the title shot until 2028. If elections as we thought we knew them are over, then nobody has a shot.
On downside, if Pence turned on Trump and got caught, his political life is completely over. The Republicans won't have him and he's too conservative for the Democrats. Everyone hates a traitor so a book deal is probably not in the cards.
The motivations of Congresscritters should be concerning.
The Republicans will gain one thing from Trump in the Oval for another 4 years, but can use 2 or 4 years of a Biden/Harris conspiracy to cry "Poor Me" with regard to party fund raising, not having to get anything done "Because Biden", 'We need your help to get them next time" and so forth.
Im loving this Mike Pence. I can see the lightning behind his eyes. He needs to just evolve into his final form of raiden and go full Mortal Kombat on these criminals.
GI Joe better not be fucking with us. He better bring that energy come the 6th and not let up until Inauguration day when Trump is sworn in for his second term.
At this point, the only people I believe in without a shadow of a doubt are Trump and Kayleigh.
The fact that he and Trump both did events for turning point usa scares me. I hate neocons. Charlie kirk is a liberal, posing as a staunch conservative. He'd sell us out faster than shapiro.
I'm not sure about the faster than Shapiro part but I kind of agree based on a lot of things that he's exposed about his views...but there is still a need to muster as much support as possible. It would be a bad time to turn on and push out anyone. We need as many people in D.C. on the 6th as we can get and we need as many people as possible spreading the truth about the election.
Most TPUSA participants are stronger supporters of Trump than of Charlie Kirk. they do a lot of outreach among college aged people, but the people they are bringing in right now are for the most part MAGA
PENCE NEEDS TO ACT TODAY IN HIS CAPACITY AS PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE: https://nationalfile.com/exclusive-white-house-memo-details-how-pence-card-can-save-trumps-presidency-on-dec-23/
Is the memo real? It’s a game changer if it is.
I do not know. I hope so. Seems easy to find out - except I am playing in bed when I should be asleep, lol.
To me it seems odd. Basically any outgoing VP can simply do this if his side didn’t win. He could just make up some BS about the states he needs to win. Obviously this year is different with all the cheating but seems too easy. We shall see. If it’s possible he needs to do it. Fuck them.
Well, considering for the first time in over 125 yrs states have sent multiple electors... I do not see a big stretch of the VP refusing all of them - keeping either candidate from reaching 270.
I hope you are right
None of them are official until accepted by Congress. Pence has the authority and obligation to not accept them as the states are contested.
100% supported by the Constitution. Sorry, doomer.
THIS
NOT official until Congress counts the votes. Without a majority, no candidate can be declared the winner.
Not true. Especially since the state officials used coercion to certify it. Coercion gives Pence the right to reject their certification.
Get your head outta you ass
First of all, if a VP did that without good reason they would just be impeached. They are still held accountable to the people. Second, if he does this to change the outcome, it just goes to the house to vote by state delegation as no candidate would have 270. So again, it goes to the representatives to make the call and isn't just in the hands of one person with no accountability or checks and balances. This seems like another safeguard intended for extreme circumstances like we find ourselves in today. They have broken through many layers of protections already, let's see if they can break through them all or if we will hold the line.
No, you MUST have grounds to do this. Simply claiming fraud will not let you be able to do this. Fraud nullifies everything and we've demenstrated a litany of it, we've pulled out all the stops. It was a great performance, let's see him follow through. The only man I trust right now is Trump, until I see action, not words, from Pence.
It is wishful thinking.
We're gonna need some more energy from you Bo.
so you're one of those people who thinks hoping and wishing makes a difference what other people with power and authority do? i see.
it's kind of sick how you people have called people "doomers" left and right when we tried to warn you that this or that kraken or MOAB or court case wouldn't give us a win, and time and time again we turned out to be correct and you idiots turned out to be wrong. you seem to think your feelings affect outcomes and time and time again you never learn.
Never have I used that term but feel free to think as you will. I take these news with a grain of salt but don't automatically rule them invalid. Seems as though you have a problem with my level of optimism and that's your own problem.
clowns here have had 'optimism' in judges doing the right thing and called people who said they wouldn't "doomers" for over a month. your optimism didn't change anything and us "doomers" were correct.
same thing for krakens, for all the MOABs the turned out to be nothing burgers, for rinos on the federal and state level, who did nothing actually important to help trump. your feelings did nothing to affect change. your feelings did not get those people to do the right thing. your feelings do nothing. this is the real world we live in, and it's run by shitrats.
pence isn't one of them, but the idea that he can just single handedly wave a magic wand and make sure trump stays in office is just more wishful thinking.
So what's your grand plan then?
Every diplomatic lever is being pulled.
I have not known National File to be fraudulent. Thanks for your take, however...
Pence and Kayleigh were Trump's best picks...
And Grenell. Sometimes it feels like those were his only good picks though. Not really blaming him; even I thought some of the other picks were great at the time, like Mattis. So many snakes.
You're right; he's been great. Too bad it took two tries; Tillerson was terrible.
The well was poisoned well before he probably even considered running for president. These mitherfuckers tried to steal our country from us and must be stopped at any and all costs.
The economic team is top shelf. Navarro, Mnuchin, Lighthizer, Wilbur Ross...I'm sure I'm forgetting some...
You're right; none of them have been back-stabbers.
And they are extremely competent.
Stephen Miller (Senior Adviser/Speech Writer) has done a phenomenal job since day 1 too.
Yes!
And Carson
Melania #1
Top pick there!
Everyone's like, "why did he wait 4 years to show this energy?"
He didn't. He always had this energy. He's the silver fox. The fox doesn't just bum rush into danger. That's what the Lion does; that's what Trump does.
The fox is cunning. The fox has strategies. The plans its course of attack. But once the fox starts to bare its fangs, and growl at you. That's when you realize, its too late, and you've already lost.
Pence does not get enough love. This guy has been solid throughout, even when it would have been easy for him to turn on the President
No doubt he probably had offers of hundreds of millions to stab Trump in the back, and has had his family safety threatened constantly. A true man of God staying loyal to the President who trusted him to the fullest.
Bernie would have conceded Nov 7th while they were still finding votes for Biden, and bought his next additional vacation home by now.
Remember when the hollywood asses tape came out and the GOP ran away from Trump & diverted funds to the downballot candidates instead of Trump, yet Pence didn't waver at all despite all the suggestions he would quit the ballot?
The RINO party was the only party that existed until recently. That being said, he was always ideologically aligned with the more respectable part of the GOP, AKA Freedom Caucus members
Its very true.
I saw something from fake news saying that Pence and Trump were "fighting" over Jan 6th. But, oh look, later that same article they were both hanging out at the golf field.
lol
Trump is high energy, Pence is high voltage
Very good way of putting it!
The fox waits until the right moment to strike he chicken coop..waiting in the shadows. So cunning....and then it strikes. And when it does, it does bigly. Nothing left behind. No mercy.
Exact-a-mundo! ;)
Pence has always been solid. He is just low-key, which is why he gets along so well with POTUS
They’ve said before that they would charge him as an enabler or some shit.
I think he is going to be driven by what is right more than anything.
What are you talking about? Didnt they try to smear him as a sexist when he demolished heels up on stage? And let's not forget the dreaded anti-lgbtqqippia2 stuff
Truth be told he was a negotiating chip for Trump to be accepted to be the nominee.
Pence also received one of the famous envelopes at HW's funeral. He was in the club and potentially even an insurance plan.
I love how Pence has backed our GEOTUS, but truth be told his place in the establishment could have been really bad for us. I do believe he has seen the light and can be trusted now, but it's important we remain cautious with anybody other than the man himself.
I still want to know what was in those envelopes!!
Yes, sir. We share similar gut feelings, but like I said, I think Pence may be facing a much bigger problem if he turns on GEOTUS. Much, much bigger.
Report from Axios. Hard for me to come close that.
Fuck. https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1342605258724401153?s=19
Yeah I'm staying close to this.
The reason is because some of Pence's staff picks turned out to be major deep staters that caused problems in the administration.
But its hard to blame Pence for that because 90% of Trump's picks also turned out to be major deep staters as well.
In every position of power you'd be called a fool to not rely on the people around you who you appoint and trust to handle their shit. Trump learned this in the private sector, you have to do your best to determine the most loyal capable option and then just let them do their job.
Both Trump and Pence can't be everywhere at once it's simply not possible you have to trust your people. Ultimately yes many of their appointments failed but they had no other option, it's not their fault that snakes and lobbyists are seducing every single staffer with bribes or threats as soon as they are even indirectly connected to Trump.
This isn't the Mafia you can't just have a blood oath and murder anyone disloyal, if someone is disloyal the best they can do is fire them after the damage is already done. If we were a dictatorship of course they could murder or lockup anyone who flips, but that's literally the only way to avoid deep staters you'd have to go full authoritarian and that's not the country we live in. Unfortunately these staffers have freedom to turn on our President and there's not much you can do after the fact. I do think many were loyal initially then the deep state compromises them and they're fucked.
They are shills from Reddit. DEPORT them.
Supposedly Pence is going to return the slates tendered by the battleground states back to their legislatures as illegal and ask them to tender legal slates. Hope he does!
Race Bannon shooting dragon energy
Underrated comment
Pence/Cruz '24?
DeSantis/Noem
Honestly so many good choices.
high voltage
DUDE! This is fantastic!
Or he knew which positions he needed for throwaway appointments.
His best pick was actually his security detail.
Aye.
This is unchartered territory, which is why you are hearing a lot of legal mumbo jumbo. Short of a hot Civil War, which I don't think anyone wants, it is a tough job finding a legal way forward
MF’n Dragon Energy!!!
Don't piss on the Electric Pence... dunnnnnn.
Yeah but we “lost” GA... get the fuck out of here, listen to that energy
The silver fox is slicker than the dementia rottened prune soaked attack dog dummy
Then...
LET THE CULLING OF COMMIES COMMENCE!
If you had told me in mid 2016 that one day Mike Pence would give me could I would never have believed it.
Mike Pence is the greatest Vice President we have ever had!
Morally Pence must do the right thing, if abortion is to be kept in check. If he doesn't save the presidency for Trump and America, he has blood on his hands and his soul is severely injured.
If Pence pulls this off then there’s no other choice for 2024. His redemption arc will be complete and he will be able to institutionalize MAGA in a way that a firebrand revolutionary like Trump can’t. Trump job is to define the movement, Pence’s will be to make it permanent.
Can the platform for 2021-2024 be Nuremberg trials for all the mobs, fake cops, fake politicians, and discount terrorists we all seen 2020?
Pence is properly motivated.
Pence has upsides.
If Trump prevails against the fraud, Pence is VP 2021-2025 and has a good shot at the title in 2024, maybe with DJTJr as VP on the ticket.
If the fraud holds, but there's a miracle and we have a clean election again, Trump could come back in 2024 with Pence, but leaving Pence without the title shot until 2028. If elections as we thought we knew them are over, then nobody has a shot.
On downside, if Pence turned on Trump and got caught, his political life is completely over. The Republicans won't have him and he's too conservative for the Democrats. Everyone hates a traitor so a book deal is probably not in the cards.
The motivations of Congresscritters should be concerning.
The Republicans will gain one thing from Trump in the Oval for another 4 years, but can use 2 or 4 years of a Biden/Harris conspiracy to cry "Poor Me" with regard to party fund raising, not having to get anything done "Because Biden", 'We need your help to get them next time" and so forth.
I see a lot of people here doubting Pence but have y’all even heard him speak? He’s Trump’s VP pick for a reason. This just confirms it.
Throw out every illegal vote AND EVERY ILLEGAL ELECTOR. Go get these MF'ers, Mike!!
Im loving this Mike Pence. I can see the lightning behind his eyes. He needs to just evolve into his final form of raiden and go full Mortal Kombat on these criminals.
Uh-oooohhhh ... Someone sounds like he may reject illegal votes ..... 😯
SEXY PENCEY HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
Vice Pres Pence, please send out the letters to the states known to have sent fraudulent electors.
Keep fighting and keep spreading the truth! https://thedonald.win/p/11RNk0Nty7/crossfire-hurricane-2-we-infiltr/
Isn't this the group that had girls shooting cash out of a cannon like a bunch of degenerate meth heads? 😬
Seems like he is finally learning from the President!
Meanwhile at GA house of reps
"we have investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong."
GI Joe better not be fucking with us. He better bring that energy come the 6th and not let up until Inauguration day when Trump is sworn in for his second term.
At this point, the only people I believe in without a shadow of a doubt are Trump and Kayleigh.
So why didn't he tell his older brother to not vote for the pelosi stimulus package?
That’s what I’m talking about! It really comes down to him.. thank you silver fox!!
Please dont let me down today raiden.
Praising God!
The fact that he and Trump both did events for turning point usa scares me. I hate neocons. Charlie kirk is a liberal, posing as a staunch conservative. He'd sell us out faster than shapiro.
I'm not sure about the faster than Shapiro part but I kind of agree based on a lot of things that he's exposed about his views...but there is still a need to muster as much support as possible. It would be a bad time to turn on and push out anyone. We need as many people in D.C. on the 6th as we can get and we need as many people as possible spreading the truth about the election.
Kirk is a neocon, conserving the liberal position of 10 years ago.
Most TPUSA participants are stronger supporters of Trump than of Charlie Kirk. they do a lot of outreach among college aged people, but the people they are bringing in right now are for the most part MAGA
Then take back Turning Point and make it MAGA.